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07/05/2017

Andrew Neil and Marie Ashby are joined by Labour's shadow justice secretary Richard Burgon and Ukip's Neil Hamilton to discuss the local election results.


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It's Sunday morning and this is the Sunday Politics.

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The local election results made grim reading for Labour.

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With just a month to go until the general election,

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will promising to rule out tax rises for all but the well off help

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The Conservatives have their own announcement on mental health,

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as they strain every sinew to insist they don't think they've got

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But is there still really all to play for?

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And tonight we will find out who is the next

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President of France - Emmanuel Macron or Marine Le Pen -

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In the East Midlands: ended with a hack attack

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Our county councils turn blue as the Conservatives sweep the board.

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And in the general election, the big guns target the region.

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potential impact in marginals next month. If Ukip support continues to

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evaporate... And joining me for all of that,

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three journalists ready to analyse the week's politics

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with all the forensic focus of Diane Abbott

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preparing for an interview, and all the relaxed,

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slogan-free banter of Theresa May It's Janan Ganesh, Isabel Oakeshott

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and Steve Richards. So, the Conservatives are promising,

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if re-elected, to change mental health laws in England and Wales

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to tackle discrimination, and they're promising 10,000 more

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staff working in NHS mental health treatment in England by 2020 -

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although how that's to be Here's Health Secretary

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Jeremy Hunt speaking There is a lot of new

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money going into it. In January, we said we were going

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to put an extra ?1 billion Does this come from other parts

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of the NHS, or is it No, it is new money

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going into the NHS It's not just of course money,

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it's having the people who deliver these jobs,

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which is why we need Well, we're joined now from Norwich

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by the Liberal Democrat health This weekend, they've launched

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their own health announcement, promising a 1% rise on every income

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tax band to fund the NHS. Do you welcome the Conservatives

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putting mental health onto the campaign agenda in the way that they

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have? I welcome it being on the campaign agenda but I do fear that

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the announcement is built on thin air. You raised the issue at the

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start about the 10,000 extra staff, and questions surrounding how it

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would be paid for. There is no additional money on what they have

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already announced for the NHS. We know it falls massively short on the

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expectation of the funding gap which, by 2020, is likely to be

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about 30 billion. That is not disputed now. Anyone outside of the

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government, wherever you are on the political spectrum, knows the money

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going in is simply not enough. So, rather like the claim that they

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would add 5000 GPs to the workforce by 2020, that is not on target.

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Latest figures show a fall in the number of GPs. They make these

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claims, but I'm afraid they are without substance, unless they are

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prepared to put money behind it. Your party's solution to the money

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problem is to put a 1% percentage point on all of the bands of income

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tax to raise more money 20-45. Is that unfair? Most pensioners who

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consume 40% of NHS spending, but over 65s only pay about 20% of

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income tax. Are you penalising the younger generations for the health

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care of an older generation? It is the first step in what we are

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describing as a 5-point recovery plan for the NHS and care system.

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So, for what is available to us now, it seems to be the fairest way of

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bringing in extra resources, income tax is progressive, and is based on

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your ability to pay for your average British worker. It would be ?3 per

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week which is the cost of less than two cups of coffee per week. In the

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longer run, we say that by the end of the next Parliament, we would be

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able to introduce a dedicated NHS and care tax. Based, probably,

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around a reformed national insurance system, so it becomes a dedicated

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NHS and care tax. Interestingly, the former permanent secretary of the

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Treasury, Nick MacPherson, said clearly that this idea merits

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further consideration which is the first time anyone for the Treasury

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has bought into the idea of this. Let me ask you this. You say it is a

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small amount of tax that people on average incomes will have to pay

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extra. We are talking about people who have seen no real increases to

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their income since 2007. They have been struggling to stand still in

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terms of their own pay, but you are going to add to their tax, and as I

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said earlier, most of the health care money will then go to

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pensioners whose incomes have risen by 15%. I'm interested in the

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fairness of this redistribution? Bearing in mind first of all,

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Andrew, that the raising of the tax threshold that the Liberal Democrats

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pushed through in the coalition increased the effective pay in your

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pocket for basic rate taxpayers by about ?1000. We are talking about a

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tiny fraction of that. I suppose that you do have to ask, all of us

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in this country need to ask ourselves this question... Are we

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prepared to pay, in terms of the average worker, about ?3 extra per

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week to give us a guarantee that when our loved ones need that care,

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in their hour of need, perhaps suspected cancer, that care will be

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available for them? I have heard two cases recently brought my attention.

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An elderly couple, the wife has a very bad hip. They could not allow

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the weight to continue. She was told that she would need to wait 26

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weeks, she was in acute pain. They then deduct paying ?20,000 for

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private treatment to circumvent waiting time. They hated doing it,

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because they did not want to jump the queue. But that is what is

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increasingly happening. Sorry to interrupt, Norman Lamb comedy make

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very good points but we are short on time today. One final question, it

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looks like you might have the chance to do any of this, I'm told the best

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you can hope to do internally is to double the number of seats you have,

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which would only take you to 18. Do you think that promising to raise

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people's income tax, even those on average earnings, is a vote winner?

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I think the people in this country are crying out for politicians to be

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straight and tenet as it is. At the moment we heading towards a

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Conservative landslide... -- tell it as it is. But do we want a 1-party

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state? We are electing a government not only to deal with the crucial

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Brexit negotiations, but oversee the stewardship of the NHS and funding

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of our schools, all of these critical issues. We need an

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effective opposition and with the Labour Party having taken itself off

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stage, the Liberal Democrats need to provide an effective opposition.

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Norman Lamb, thank you for joining us this morning. Thank you.

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Labour and Tories are anxious to stress the general election

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result is not a foregone conclusion, whatever the polls say.

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Order you just heard Norman Lamb say there that he thought the

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Conservatives were heading for a landslide...

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But did Thursday's dramatic set of local election results

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in England, Scotland and Wales give us a better idea of how the country

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Here's Emma Vardy with a behind-the-scenes look at how

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Good morning, it's seven o'clock on Friday, May 5th...

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The dawn of another results day. Anticipation hung in the air.

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Early results from the local elections in England suggest

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there's been a substantial swing from Labour to the Conservatives.

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While the pros did their thing, I needed breakfast.

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Don't tell anyone, but I'm going to pinch a sausage.

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The overnight counts had delivered successes for the Tories.

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But with most councils only getting started,

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there was plenty of action still to come.

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It's not quite the night of Labour's nightmares.

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There's enough mixed news in Wales, for example -

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looks like they're about to hold Cardiff - that they'll try and put

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But in really simple terms, four weeks from a general election,

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the Tories are going forward and Labour are going backwards.

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How does it compare being in here to doing the telly?

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Huw, how do you prepare yourself for a long day of results, then?

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We're not even on air yet, as you can see, and already

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in Tory HQ this morning, there's a kind of, "Oh,

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I'm scared this will make people think the election's just

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I think leave it like that - perfect.

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I want the Laura look. This is really good, isn't it?

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Usually, we're in here for the Daily Politics.

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But it's been transformed for the Election Results programme.

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But hours went by without Ukip winning a single seat.

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The joke going around Lincolnshire County Council today

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from the Conservatives is that the Tories have eaten

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We will rebrand and come back strong.

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Morale, I think, is inevitably going to take a bit of a tumble.

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Particularly if Theresa May starts backsliding on Brexit.

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And then I think we will be totally reinvigorated.

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There are a lot of good people in Ukip and I wouldn't

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want to say anything unkind, but we all know it's over.

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Ukip press officer. Difficult job.

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Ukip weren't the only ones putting a brave face on it.

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Labour were experiencing their own disaster day too,

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losing hundreds of seats and seven councils.

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If the result is what these results appear to indicate,

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Can we have a quick word for the Sunday Politics?

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A quick question for Sunday Politics - how are you feeling?

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Downhearted or fired up for June? Fired up, absolutely fired up.

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He's fired up. We're going to go out there...

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We cannot go on with another five years of this.

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How's it been for you today? Tiring.

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It always is, but I love elections, I really enjoy them.

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Yes, you know, obviously we're disappointed at some of the results,

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it's been a mixed bag, but some opinion polls

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and commentators predicted we'd be wiped out - we haven't.

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As for the Lib Dems, not the resurgence they hoped for,

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After a dead heat in Northumberland, the control of a whole council came

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The section of England in which we had elections yesterday

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was the section of England that was most likely to vote Leave.

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When you go to sleep at night, do you just have election results

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The answer is if that's still happening, I don't get to sleep.

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There we go. Maybe practice some yoga...

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Thank you very much but I have one here.

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With the introduction of six regional mayors,

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Labour's Andy Burnham became Mr Manchester.

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But by the time Corbyn came to celebrate, the new mayor

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We want you to stay for a second because I've got some

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I used to present news, as you probably know.

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I used to present BBC Breakfast in the morning.

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The SNP had notable successes, ending 40 years of Labour

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What did you prefer - presenting or politics?

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And it certainly had been a hard day at the office for some.

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Ukip's foothold in local government was all but wiped out,

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leaving the Conservatives with their best local

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So another election results day draws to a close.

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But don't worry, we'll be doing it all again in five weeks' time.

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For now, though, that's your lot. Off you go.

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Now let's look at some of Thursday's results in a little more detail,

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and what they might mean for the wider fortunes

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In England, there were elections for 34 councils.

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The Conservatives took control of ten of them,

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gaining over 300 seats, while Labour sustained

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While the Lib Dems lost 28 seats, Ukip came close to extinction,

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and can now boast of only one councillor in the whole of England.

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In Scotland, the big story was Labour losing

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a third of their seats, and control of three councils -

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while the Tories more than doubled their number of councillors.

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In Wales, both the Conservatives and Plaid Cymru made gains,

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There was some encouraging news for Jeremy Corbyn's party

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after Liverpool and Manchester both elected Labour mayors,

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although the Tories narrowly won the West Midlands mayoral race.

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We're joined now by who else but elections expert John Curtice.

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You saw him in Emma's film, he's now back in Glasgow.

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In broad terms, what do these local election results tell us about the

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general election result? First we have to remember what Theresa May

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wants to achieve in the general election is a landslide, and winning

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a landslide means you have to win big in terms of votes. The local

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election results certainly suggest Theresa May is well on course to win

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the general election, at least with four weeks to go, and of course

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people could change their minds. We all agree the Conservatives were

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double-digit figures ahead of Labour in these elections. However, whereas

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the opinion polls on average at the moment suggest there is a 17 point

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Conservative lead, and that definitely would deliver a

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landslide, it seems the local election figures, at least in

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England, are pointing to something close to an 11 point Conservative

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lead. That increase would not necessarily deliver a landslide that

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she wants. The truth is, the next four weeks are probably not about

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who wins this election unless something dramatic changes, but

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there is still a battle as to whether or not Theresa May achieves

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her objective of winning a landslide. She has to win big. The

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local elections as she is not sure to be there, and therefore she is

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going to have to campaign hard. Equally, while Labour did have most

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prospect of winning, they still at least at the goal of trying to keep

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the conservative majority relatively low, and therefore the Parliamentary

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Labour Party are alive and kicking. Interesting that the local election

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results don't produce a landslide if replicated on June 8th, but when I

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looked at when local elections had taken place a month before the

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general election, it was in 1983 and 1987. The Tories did well in both

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local elections in these years, but come the general election, they

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added five points to their share of the vote. No reason it should happen

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again, but if it did, that would take them into landslide territory.

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Absolutely right, if they do five points better than the local

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elections, they are in landslide territory. We have to remember, in

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1983, the Labour Party ran an inept campaign and their support ballet.

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In 1987, David Owen and David Steele could not keep to the same lines. --

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their support fell away. That underlines how well the opposition

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campaign in the next four weeks does potentially matter in terms of

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Theresa May's ability to achieve their objective. It is worth

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noticing in the opinion polls, two things have happened, first, Ukip

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voters, a significant slice going to the Conservatives, which helped to

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increase the Conservative leader in the bowels. But in the last week,

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the Labour vote seems to have recovered. -- in the polls. So the

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party is not that far short of what Ed Miliband got in 2015, so the

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Conservative leader is back down to 16 or 17, as we started. So we

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should not necessarily presume Labour are going to go backwards in

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the way they did in 1983. I want to finish by asking if there are deeper

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forces at work? Whether the referendum in this country is

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producing a realignment in British politics. The Scottish referendum

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has produced a kind of realignment in Scotland. And in a different way,

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the Brexit referendum has produced a realignment in England and Wales. Do

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you agree? You are quite right. Referendums are potentially

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disruptive in Scotland, they helped to ensure the constitutional

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question became the central issue, and the 45% who voted yes our been

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faithful to the SNP since. Although the SNP put in a relatively

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disappointing performance in Scotland on Thursday. Equally, south

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of the border, on the leave side, in the past 12 months and particularly

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the last few weeks, the Conservatives have corralled the

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leave vote, about two thirds of those who voted leave now say they

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will vote Conservative. Last summer, the figure was only 50%. On the

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remain side, the vote is still fragmented. The reason why Theresa

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May is in the strong position she is is not simply because the leave vote

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has been realigned, but the remain vote has not. Thank you for joining

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us. You can go through polls and wonder who is up and down, but I

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wonder whether the Scottish and Brexit referendums have produced

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fundamental changes. In Scotland, the real division now is between the

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centre-left Nationalist party and the centre-right Unionist party.

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That has had the consequence of squeezing out Labour in the

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argument, never mind the Greens and the Lib Dems. In London, England,

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Wales, the Brexit referendum seems to have produced a realignment of

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the right to the Tories' advantage, and some trouble for the Labour blue

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vote -- blue-collar vote. It works for the pro Brexit end of the

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spectrum but not the other half. In the last century, we had people like

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Roy Jenkins dreaming of and writing about the realignment of British

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politics as though it could be consciously engineered, and in fact

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what made it happen was just the calling of a referendum. It's not

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something you can put about as a politician, it flows from below,

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when the public begin to think of politics in terms of single issues,

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dominant issues, such as leaving the European Union. Rather than a broad

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spectrum designed by a political class. I wonder whether now Remain

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have it in them to coalesce behind a single party. It doesn't look like

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they can do it behind Labour. The Liberal Democrats are frankly too

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small in Parliament to constitute that kind of force. The closest

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thing to a powerful Remain party is the SNP which by definition has

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limited appeal south of the border. It is hard. The realignment. We

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don't know if it is permanent or how dramatic it will be, but there is

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some kind of realignment going on. At the moment, it seems to be a

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realignment that by and large is to the benefit of the Conservatives.

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Without a doubt, and that can be directly attributed to the

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disappearance of Ukip from the political landscape. I have been

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saying since the referendum that I thought Ukip was finished. They

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still seem to be staggering on under the illusion... Some people may have

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picked up on Nigel Farage this morning saying that Ukip still had a

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strong role to play until Brexit actually happens. But I think it's

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very, very hard to convince the voters of that, because they feel

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that, with the result of the referendum, that was Ukip's job

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done. And those votes are not going to delay the party -- to the Labour

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Party because of the flaws with Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, they are

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shifting to the Tories. I agree. The key issue was the referendum. It has

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produced a fundamental change that few predicted at the time it was

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called. Most fundamental of all, it has brought about a unity in the

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Conservative Party. With some exceptions, but they are now off

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editing the Evening Standard and other things! This is now a party

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united around Brexit. Since 1992, the Tories have been split over

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Europe, at times fatally so. The referendum, in ways that David

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Cameron did not anticipate, has brought about a united front for

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this election. In a way, this is a sequel to the referendum, because

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it's about Brexit but we still don't know what form Brexit is going to

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take. By calling it early, Theresa May has in effect got another go at

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a kind of Brexit referendum without knowing what Brexit is, with a

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united Tory party behind her. We shall see if it is a blip or a

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long-term trend in British politics. Now let's turn to Labour's big

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campaign announcement today, and that was the promise of no

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income tax rise for those earning less than ?80,000 -

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which of course means those earning more than that could

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face an increase. Here's Shadow Chancellor John

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McDonell on the BBC earlier. What we are saying today, anyone

:23:21.:23:29.

earning below ?80,000, we will guarantee you will not have an

:23:30.:23:34.

increase in income tax, VAT or national insurance contributions.

:23:35.:23:37.

For those above 80,000, we are asking them to pay a modest bit more

:23:38.:23:42.

to fund our public services. A modest bit. You will see it will be

:23:43.:23:46.

a modest increase. Talking about modest increases, so we can have a

:23:47.:23:53.

society which we believe everyone shares the benefits of.

:23:54.:23:55.

We're joined now by Shadow Justice Secretary Richard Burgon, in Leeds.

:23:56.:24:00.

Mr McDonnell stressed that for those earning over 80,000, they would be

:24:01.:24:07.

paying more but it would be modest. He used the word modest 45 times.

:24:08.:24:11.

But there is only 1.2 million of them. -- 4-5 times. So that would

:24:12.:24:18.

not raise much money. This is about the key part of this tax policy for

:24:19.:24:25.

the many, not the few. We are saying that low earners and middle earners

:24:26.:24:28.

won't be paying more tax under a Labour government, which is not a

:24:29.:24:32.

policy the Conservatives have committed to yet. As John McDonnell

:24:33.:24:36.

also said in his interview earlier, if there is a tax rise on the top 5%

:24:37.:24:43.

of earners, earning over ?80,000, it would be a modest rise. I am trying

:24:44.:24:48.

to work out what that would mean in terms of money. If it is too modest,

:24:49.:24:55.

you don't raise much. What will happen is the Labour Party's

:24:56.:24:58.

manifesto, published in the next couple of weeks, wilfully set out

:24:59.:25:03.

and cost it. I can't make an announcement now. -- will fully set

:25:04.:25:13.

out and cost it. Moving on to the local elections, Mr Corbyn says he

:25:14.:25:16.

is closing the gap with the Tories. What evidence is there? John Curtis

:25:17.:25:21.

just said there was an 11% gap in the results, Labour 11% behind. The

:25:22.:25:27.

polls before that suggested Labour were anything up to 20% behind. Was

:25:28.:25:32.

it a great day for Labour? Certainly not. Is there a lot to do between

:25:33.:25:38.

now and June? Sure, but we are relishing every moment of that.

:25:39.:25:43.

Comparing equivalent elections in 2013, the Tories increased their

:25:44.:25:47.

share of the vote by 13%. You lost 2%. That's a net of 15%. In what way

:25:48.:25:57.

is that closing the gap? We have gone down to 11 points behind. Am I

:25:58.:26:04.

satisfied? Certainly not. Is Labour satisfied? Certainly not. A week is

:26:05.:26:08.

a long time in politics, 4-5 weeks is even longer. The local elections

:26:09.:26:13.

are over, the general election campaign is starting, and we want to

:26:14.:26:17.

put out there the policies that will improve the lives of low and middle

:26:18.:26:22.

income earners. And also many people looking to be well off as well. You

:26:23.:26:27.

lost 133 seats in Scotland. Are you closing the gap in Scotland? The

:26:28.:26:33.

journey back for Labour in Scotland, I always thought, wouldn't be an

:26:34.:26:37.

easy one. Since the council election results and Scotland that we are

:26:38.:26:41.

comparing this to, there has been an independence referendum and the

:26:42.:26:45.

terrible results for Labour in the 2015 general election. So it is a

:26:46.:26:49.

challenge, but one hundreds of thousands of Labour members are

:26:50.:26:53.

determined to meet. That is why we're talking about bread and butter

:26:54.:26:56.

policies to make people's lives better. These local elections took

:26:57.:27:04.

place midtown. Normally mid-term was the worst time for a government. --

:27:05.:27:10.

took place midterm. And the best for an opposition. That is a feature of

:27:11.:27:15.

British politics. So why did you lose 382 councillors in a midterm

:27:16.:27:20.

election? As Andy Burnham said when he gave his acceptance speech after

:27:21.:27:25.

his terrific first ballot result win in Manchester, it was an evening of

:27:26.:27:31.

mixed results for Labour. Generally bad, wasn't it? Why did you lose all

:27:32.:27:35.

of these councillors midterm? It is not a welcome result for Labour, I

:27:36.:27:40.

am not going to be deluded. But what I and the Labour Party are focused

:27:41.:27:45.

on is the next four weeks. And how we are going to put across policies

:27:46.:27:49.

like free school meals for primary school children, ?10 an hour minimum

:27:50.:27:55.

wage, the pledge not to increase tax for low and middle earners, 95% of

:27:56.:28:00.

earners in this country. And saving the NHS from privatisation and

:28:01.:28:04.

funding it properly. These are just some of the policies, including by

:28:05.:28:08.

the way a boost in carers' allowance, that will make the lives

:28:09.:28:13.

of people in Britain better off. Labour are for the many, not for the

:28:14.:28:19.

few. But people like from political parties aspiring to government is to

:28:20.:28:23.

be united and to be singing from the same song sheet among the leaders.

:28:24.:28:27.

You mentioned Andy Burnham. Why did he not join Mr Corbyn when Jeremy

:28:28.:28:32.

Corbyn went to the rally in Manchester on Friday to celebrate

:28:33.:28:37.

his victory? First of all, Andy Burnham did a radio interview

:28:38.:28:41.

straight after his great victory in which he said Jeremy Corbyn helped

:28:42.:28:44.

him to win votes in that election. Why didn't he turn up? As to the

:28:45.:28:51.

reason Andy Burnham wasn't there at the meeting Jeremy was doing in

:28:52.:28:57.

Manchester, it was because, I understand, Andy was booked into

:28:58.:29:00.

celebrate his victory with his family that night. I don't begrudge

:29:01.:29:04.

him that and hopefully you don't. The leader has made the effort to

:29:05.:29:08.

travel to Manchester to celebrate one of the few victories you enjoyed

:29:09.:29:11.

on Thursday, surely you would join the leader and celebrate together?

:29:12.:29:17.

Well, I don't regard, and I am sure you don't, Andy Burnham a nice time

:29:18.:29:21.

with his family... -- I don't begrudge. He made it clear Jeremy

:29:22.:29:28.

Corbyn assisted him. I can see you are not convinced yourself. I am

:29:29.:29:35.

convinced. The outgoing Labour leader in Derbyshire lost his seat

:29:36.:29:40.

on Thursday, you lost Derbyshire, which was a surprise in itself... He

:29:41.:29:45.

said that genuine party supporters said they were not voting Labour

:29:46.:29:50.

while you have Jeremy Corbyn as leader. Are you hearing that on the

:29:51.:29:56.

doorstep too? I have been knocking on hundreds of doors this week in my

:29:57.:30:01.

constituency and elsewhere. And of course, you never get every single

:30:02.:30:04.

voter thinking the leader of any political party is the greatest

:30:05.:30:10.

thing since sliced bread. But it's only on a minority of doorsteps that

:30:11.:30:14.

people are criticising the Labour leader. Most people aren't even

:30:15.:30:19.

talking about these questions. Most people are talking about Jeremy

:30:20.:30:24.

Corbyn's policies, free primary school meals, ?10 an hour minimum

:30:25.:30:30.

wage. Also policies such as paternity pay, maternity pay and

:30:31.:30:33.

sickness pay for the self-employed, that have been hard-pressed under

:30:34.:30:37.

this government. So I don't recognise that pitch of despondency,

:30:38.:30:40.

but I understand that in different areas, in local elections,

:30:41.:30:46.

perspectives are different. That was Derbyshire. The outgoing Labour

:30:47.:30:50.

leader of Nottinghamshire County Council said there was concern on

:30:51.:30:53.

the doorstep about whether Jeremy Corbyn was the right person to lead

:30:54.:30:58.

the Labour Party, and even Rotherham, loyal to Mr Corbyn, won

:30:59.:31:03.

the mail contest in Liverpool, he said that the Labour leader was more

:31:04.:31:09.

might on the doorstep. -- the mayor contest. Does that explain some of

:31:10.:31:13.

the performance on Thursday? I am confident that in the next four

:31:14.:31:17.

weeks, when we get into coverage on television, that people will see

:31:18.:31:22.

further the kind of open leadership Jeremy provides. In contrast to

:31:23.:31:26.

Theresa May's refusal to meet ordinary people. She came to my

:31:27.:31:30.

constituency and I don't think that a single person who lives here. And

:31:31.:31:34.

also she is ducking the chance to debate with Jeremy Corbyn on TV. She

:31:35.:31:38.

should do it and let the people decide. I don't know why she won't.

:31:39.:31:44.

Finally, the Labour mantra is that you are the party of the ordinary

:31:45.:31:49.

people, why is it the case that among what advertisers call C2s, D

:31:50.:32:02.

and E', how can you on the pulse of that social group, how can you do

:32:03.:32:08.

that? Our policy is to assist, protect and improve the living

:32:09.:32:12.

standards of people in those groups and our policy is to protect the

:32:13.:32:15.

living standards of the majority... They do not seem to be convinced? We

:32:16.:32:20.

have four weeks to convince them and I believe that we will. Thank you

:32:21.:32:22.

for coming onto the programme. But the wooden spoon from Thursday's

:32:23.:32:25.

elections undoubtedly went to Ukip. Four years ago the party

:32:26.:32:31.

won its best ever local government performance,

:32:32.:32:33.

but this time its support just Ukip's share of the vote

:32:34.:32:35.

plunging by as much as 18 points, most obviously

:32:36.:32:38.

benefiting the Conservatives. So is it all over for

:32:39.:32:42.

the self-styled people's army? Well we're joined now

:32:43.:32:44.

by the party's leader in the Welsh Assembly,

:32:45.:32:46.

Neil Hamilton, he's in Cardiff. Neil Hamilton, welcome. Ukip

:32:47.:32:57.

finished local elections gaining the same number of councillors as the

:32:58.:33:01.

Rubbish Party, one. That sums up your prospects, doesn't

:33:02.:33:07.

it? Rubbish? We have been around a long time and seemed that I'd go

:33:08.:33:13.

out, go in again, we will keep calm and carry on. We are in a phoney

:33:14.:33:18.

war, negotiations on Brexit have not started but what we know from

:33:19.:33:22.

Theresa May is that in seven years, as Home Secretary and Prime

:33:23.:33:25.

Minister, she has completely failed to control immigration which was one

:33:26.:33:29.

of the great driving forces behind the Brexit result. I'm not really

:33:30.:33:35.

looking for any great success in immigration from the Tories, and a

:33:36.:33:38.

lot of people who have previously voted for Ukip will be back in our

:33:39.:33:43.

part of the field again. They don't seem to care about that at the

:33:44.:33:49.

moment, your party lost 147 council seats. You gain one. It is time to

:33:50.:33:54.

shut up shop, isn't it? You are right, the voters are not focusing

:33:55.:33:58.

on other domestic issues at the moment. They have made up their

:33:59.:34:01.

minds going into these negotiations in Brussels, Theresa May, as Prime

:34:02.:34:07.

Minister, needs as much support as she can get. I think they are wrong

:34:08.:34:11.

in this respect, it would be better to have a cohort of Ukip MPs to back

:34:12.:34:17.

her up. She was greatly helped by the intervention of Mr Juncker last

:34:18.:34:23.

week as well, the stupidity in how the European Commission has tried to

:34:24.:34:27.

bully the British government, in those circumstances the British

:34:28.:34:29.

people will react in one way going the opposite way to what the

:34:30.:34:35.

Brussels establishment one. She has been fortunate as an acute tactician

:34:36.:34:39.

in having the election now. I struggle to see the way back for

:34:40.:34:43.

your party. You aren't a threat to the Tories in the south. Ukip voters

:34:44.:34:47.

are flocking to the Tories in the south. You don't threaten Labour in

:34:48.:34:52.

the north. It is the Tories who threaten Labour now in the north.

:34:53.:34:56.

There is no room to progress, is there? The reality will be is that

:34:57.:35:02.

once we are back on the domestic agenda again, and the Brexit

:35:03.:35:06.

negotiations are concluded, we will know what the outcome is. And the

:35:07.:35:11.

focus will be on bread and butter issues. We have all sorts of

:35:12.:35:15.

policies in our programme which other parties cannot match us on.

:35:16.:35:21.

The talk is putting up taxes to help the health service, we would scrap

:35:22.:35:25.

the foreign aid budget and put another ?8 billion in the health

:35:26.:35:28.

service, no other party says that. These policies would be popular with

:35:29.:35:34.

the ordinary working person. Is Paul Nuttall to blame on the meltdown of

:35:35.:35:38.

what happened, no matter who is leader? These are cosmic forces

:35:39.:35:41.

beyond the control of any individual at the moment, it is certainly not

:35:42.:35:45.

Paul Nuttall's .com he's been in the job for six months and in half that

:35:46.:35:51.

time he was fighting a by-election -- certainly not Paul Nuttall's

:35:52.:35:56.

fault. We have two become more professional than we have been

:35:57.:35:59.

recently. It has not been a brilliant year for Ukip one way or

:36:00.:36:05.

another, as you know, but there are prospects, in future, that are very

:36:06.:36:08.

rosy. I do not believe that the Tories will deliver on other

:36:09.:36:13.

promises that they are now making. The Welsh assembly elections are not

:36:14.:36:17.

until 2021, you are a member of that, but at that point you will not

:36:18.:36:21.

have any MEPs, because we will be out on the timetable. With this

:36:22.:36:27.

current showing he will have no end', you could be Ukip's most

:36:28.:36:33.

senior elected representative. That would be a turnout for the books! --

:36:34.:36:41.

no elected MPs. The Tories are not promoting the policies that I

:36:42.:36:45.

believe them. You will see that in the Ukip manifesto when it is

:36:46.:36:50.

shortly publish... Leaders talk mainly about the male genital

:36:51.:37:00.

mutilation and is -- female and burqas. No, when the manifesto

:37:01.:37:05.

launched, we have a lot of policies, I spoke moments ago about it, but

:37:06.:37:12.

also on foreign aid. Scrapping green taxes, to cut people's electricity

:37:13.:37:16.

bills by ?300 per year on average. There are a lot of popular policies

:37:17.:37:25.

that we have. We will hear more from that in the weeks to come.

:37:26.:37:29.

Paul Nuttall said "If the price of written leaving the year is a Tory

:37:30.:37:33.

advance after taking up this patriarch course, it is a price that

:37:34.:37:39.

Ukip is prepared to pay". That sounds like a surrender statement?

:37:40.:37:43.

It is a statement of fact, the main agenda is to get out of the EU and

:37:44.:37:48.

have full Brexit. That is why Ukip came into existence 20 years ago.

:37:49.:37:54.

When it is achieved, we go back to the normal political battle lines.

:37:55.:37:58.

Niall Hamilton in Cardiff, thank you very much for joining us.

:37:59.:38:02.

It's just gone 11.35am, you're watching the Sunday Politics.

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We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now

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Coming up here in 20 minutes - we'll be talking about the French

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The results of one election are in, and it's a big win

:38:18.:38:21.

for the Conservatives in the East Midlands with Labour

:38:22.:38:24.

We fought a really good campaign on local issues and I think

:38:25.:38:32.

We got our manifesto out early, we really hit the doorsteps,

:38:33.:38:36.

we delivered thousands of leaflets, we talked to thousands of people...

:38:37.:38:38.

And the general election steps up a gear as the big guns

:38:39.:38:44.

The simple fact is that this election is a choice

:38:45.:38:50.

between who becomes Prime Minister after the 8th of June,

:38:51.:38:53.

and it is either going to be Theresa May or it is going to be

:38:54.:38:57.

It is not a presidential election, we are a parliamentary system.

:38:58.:39:00.

The only people who can vote for Theresa May are those who live

:39:01.:39:03.

And I am at Westminster as two of our best-known MPs

:39:04.:39:07.

Kay Cutts is the new leader of Nottinghamshire County Council

:39:08.:39:15.

and Hardyal Dhindsa is Labour's Police and Crime

:39:16.:39:17.

We're also joined for the first part of the programme by Alan Graves,

:39:18.:39:24.

a Derby City councillor and the regional chairman of Ukip.

:39:25.:39:30.

So first, let's take a closer look at those county council elections.

:39:31.:39:32.

The Conservatives were the big winners in all four East Midlands

:39:33.:39:36.

counties holding elections, gaining control of Lincolnshire and

:39:37.:39:38.

In Nottinghamshire, they fell three seats

:39:39.:39:44.

short of a majority, but the council will have

:39:45.:39:46.

a Conservative leader, Kay Cutts, as the largest party.

:39:47.:39:51.

The biggest turnover was in Derbyshire -

:39:52.:39:53.

a majority of ten seats for Labour disappeared as the Conservatives

:39:54.:39:56.

took control here too, regaining a council they'd

:39:57.:39:58.

Kay Cutts, first, congratulations, on the face of it, good results for

:39:59.:40:15.

the Conservatives but you did not get that all-important majority? No,

:40:16.:40:19.

that was disappointing, I must admit that, but I have to tell you, it was

:40:20.:40:22.

the fault of my colleagues because you could took the seat of a buzz

:40:23.:40:26.

that we could have won in Gedling and that cost us the majority. But

:40:27.:40:33.

we move on. You move on, you are the seats short of that supported

:40:34.:40:37.

majority, what are your plans now? Will you run the council as a

:40:38.:40:40.

largest party or will you have to draft in the help and support of

:40:41.:40:48.

those independents and have some sort of coalition of chaos? It will

:40:49.:40:52.

not be that, we do not do chaos in Nottinghamshire! Monday morning I am

:40:53.:40:55.

eating with my senior colleagues and my party and we will make a decision

:40:56.:40:58.

as to what we will do. We will be talking to both the Independent

:40:59.:41:02.

parties and there is the Manse Road independents, four of them, and the

:41:03.:41:06.

actual independents, six of those and one other independent who

:41:07.:41:11.

belongs to no party. We have people to talk to. -- Mansfield. How do you

:41:12.:41:18.

think it will turn out, as to bother you will rely on the independents?

:41:19.:41:24.

We will not rely on them, if you run a coalition it will be parties

:41:25.:41:28.

coming together, not to try to take the Tory whip. It would not be tied

:41:29.:41:31.

to ransom a chaotic administration, I would not try to do that, it is

:41:32.:41:36.

not fair to the electorate. Hardyal Dhindsa, it was a disappointing

:41:37.:41:40.

result for Baber, particularly in the East Midlands, losing

:41:41.:41:43.

Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire, the party must feel very demoralised at

:41:44.:41:48.

the moment? It was a very disappointing result for Labour in

:41:49.:41:52.

Derbyshire and the East Midlands. Devastating for many hard-working,

:41:53.:41:57.

very committed councillors who have been doing a job very well for a

:41:58.:42:00.

long time. However, the national picture and the mood has made

:42:01.:42:06.

Derbyshire blue and the East Midlands, the Conservatives are in

:42:07.:42:09.

control and that is where we are at. You are feeling bruised? Yes, it has

:42:10.:42:15.

been a difficult few days but we adhere to represent the people of

:42:16.:42:19.

Derbyshire and the East Midlands and we will do our best to make sure

:42:20.:42:23.

that we challenge, scrutinise and hold to account Conservative

:42:24.:42:28.

controlled councils. Alan Graves, you won one seat across the whole of

:42:29.:42:32.

the country, known in the East Midlands, you lost your only two

:42:33.:42:36.

seats in Leicestershire. Yes, we did. To be fair, the Conservatives

:42:37.:42:43.

have capitalised on our 25 years of hard work and it is very undeserved

:42:44.:42:46.

of our councillors who work very hard and have been working very

:42:47.:42:50.

hard. But let us put things into clarity, this is the county council

:42:51.:42:54.

elections, we have not lost all of our counsellors, we have over 300

:42:55.:42:57.

and on the country and they will continue to hard. You have lost all

:42:58.:43:01.

of them in Lincolnshire. We still have to stick Councillor Astaire.

:43:02.:43:08.

Where does you can go from here? Are their conversations about the future

:43:09.:43:11.

of the party or is it time to pack up? Theresa May has been good on

:43:12.:43:17.

capitalising on our hard work and we have got a white paper... She has to

:43:18.:43:21.

push through Brexit. There is a White Paper on leaving the EU, but

:43:22.:43:26.

it is in name only, there is no substance for that. People voted for

:43:27.:43:29.

something when they wanted to leave the European Union and I am not

:43:30.:43:32.

convinced that Theresa May is the one that is going to bring us out

:43:33.:43:35.

properly in the way that people wanted to be taken out. She has had

:43:36.:43:39.

six years of trying to control immigration and... Is that your only

:43:40.:43:44.

Jopp, to make sure it goes through now? We have a very big part to play

:43:45.:43:49.

in politics because we need to make sure that we hold our feet to the

:43:50.:43:53.

fire. The Labour Party are in complete disarray. Nobody trusts

:43:54.:43:57.

Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Party internally have a big problem, they

:43:58.:44:03.

are controlled mainly by Momentum people who will keep people like

:44:04.:44:06.

Jeremy Corbyn in power. What do you think went so badly wrong, Hardyal,

:44:07.:44:12.

in the East Midlands? Your party warned that Conservative councils

:44:13.:44:14.

would make bigger cuts and the voters were not listening to that.

:44:15.:44:20.

That is the challenge for the Labour Party, the message is not getting

:44:21.:44:23.

through at the national level, through the media and through our

:44:24.:44:26.

own communication and we have to do something about that. The policies

:44:27.:44:31.

that we have by all accounts are being positively received, but the

:44:32.:44:34.

message nationally is not getting through. We have got to do much more

:44:35.:44:40.

work and be working harder to communicate our policies and stop

:44:41.:44:43.

this being a presidential election campaign, which in this country, it

:44:44.:44:49.

parliamentary democracy. That is not parliamentary democracy. That is not

:44:50.:44:52.

what is being out at the moment. What do you think the biggest

:44:53.:44:55.

battles were in the success of the Tories in the East Midlands, Kay?

:44:56.:45:00.

Theresa May was absolutely a strength and Jeremy Corbyn is not

:45:01.:45:03.

playing well for the Labour Party, but the positive thing is that

:45:04.:45:06.

people actually want Conservative policies, we know that we are party

:45:07.:45:10.

that manage our fears properly and be a prudent with people's money.

:45:11.:45:15.

Actually, they are frightening people. You might not agree with

:45:16.:45:20.

that. We still have a core vote. that. We still have a core vote.

:45:21.:45:26.

Others you might not agree with that, the fact is that people trust

:45:27.:45:31.

the Conservative Party to manage their money properly. The proof of

:45:32.:45:35.

the pudding is in the ballot box, people voted for the Conservatives

:45:36.:45:39.

in droves because they knew that we were going to offer them what they

:45:40.:45:43.

actually want. But we are waiting for those manifesto policies. Alan

:45:44.:45:47.

Greaves, there are reports in the papers this morning that your party

:45:48.:45:51.

leader Paul Nuttall will announce A1M, one heart immigration policy

:45:52.:45:55.

that aims for a net migration target of zero and five years, is that the

:45:56.:45:59.

way to win back voters and how on earth will this work? Well, we are

:46:00.:46:08.

introducing migration as he city size every year, people do not want

:46:09.:46:13.

that, I think, that can cause problems in our communities and

:46:14.:46:14.

problems with our line. We are problems with our line. We are

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taking a green spaces, were at the Conservatives going to put these

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people? And problems with our line. We are taking a green spaces, were

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at the Conservatives going to put these people? In my own Kay, tell us

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what the first thing you will be doing now as the new leader? We will

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meet our county pay its will. We were not rock the pockets of people

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as the Labour Party have done for the last four years, I shall be

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looking at the large infrastructure projects and working with the

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Midlands engine. I will work with other leaders in our councils around

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the area. Including the City Council of Nottingham, we have to work

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together. Let me finish. What we need, in Nottinghamshire, but... I

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am not Prime Minister yet, that might happen one day, but until I

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am, I am dealing in Nottinghamshire and we shall start looking at the

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infrastructure. We shall look at business parks, improving broadband,

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we have to pay our way and earn our living. If we are going to get

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inward investment we will offer people a really good offer like good

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housing and schools and roads and housing and schools and roads and

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am proud of in Nottinghamshire and am proud of in Nottinghamshire and

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We will be it there for the moment. We will be it there for the moment.

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-- our market towns will appear the way.

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Let's turn our attention now to the general election and two

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of the big hitters have been in the East Midlands this weekend

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Conservative Party chairman, Sir Patrick McLoughlin,

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was in Mansfield and Jeremy Corbyn hit Leicester.

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Our political editor Tony Roe spoke to both of them.

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Not in living memory has Mansfield had anything but a Labour MP,

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some might assume retired miners here are traditional Labour.

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It is not that the people have fell out with the Labour Party so much,

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I think, they have fell out with Corbyn, they just do not

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And one or two more, Diane Abbott and that, like, you know.

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For ordinary workers, he is a big problem.

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It is going to be 50-50 whether it stops Labour or goes Tory and at one

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You must understand, Labour have only got

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a 5000 majority here, that can be taken out very quickly.

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The Conservatives clearly think they can win here in Mansfield,

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they have taken out a front page and a back page advert

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But nowhere does it say "Conservative".

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A former miner is now the Tory Party chairman in charge

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He is here to open a new election office in an 18th-century bakers

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These front page adverts you have in the local newspapers,

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there has been some criticism that you do not actually say

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"Conservative" anywhere on the front page, it is all about Theresa May.

:48:50.:48:52.

Well, she is the leader of the Conservative Party,

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The simple fact is that this election is a choice

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between who becomes Prime Minister after the 8th of June,

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and it is either going to be Theresa May or it is going to be

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Jeremy Corbyn leading a coalition of chaos.

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Leicester is a Labour city and party members, 800, they say,

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packed into a function room at the Tiger's ground,

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to hear from their leader, a leader they say is not

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What is in the press and media, that is of no concern to me,

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I listen to what is on offer and if I like it, I go with it.

:49:25.:49:29.

Social media, I think, has a lot more to play than the main

:49:30.:49:32.

media in elections and things like that because people can

:49:33.:49:35.

post what they like, nothing is really censored as such

:49:36.:49:38.

and the word gets out there a lot more, I think,

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in terms of what Jeremy is doing for everyday people like me and him.

:49:43.:49:47.

To blame him solely on what he has done is wrong, he has done

:49:48.:49:50.

I think what has actually happened is that everyone,

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the media does not like him because they are against

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A rousing welcome, a speech constantly referencing

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Work for the many, not the few, thank you very much.

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So, how does he react to Conservatives who are unashamedly

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pushing this campaign as a choice between the two leaders?

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This is not a presidential election, we are a parliamentary system.

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The only people who can vote for Theresa May are those who live

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We are a team, we are a team that will deal with the health crisis

:50:27.:50:31.

in Britain, we are a team that understands the problems of social

:50:32.:50:36.

care, understands the issues of the National Health Service.

:50:37.:50:38.

We are also a team that has the determination to build

:50:39.:50:41.

an economy that works for all by investment.

:50:42.:50:50.

Later in the day, the campaigning shifted to Derby North,

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the Tory seat with the smallest majority, 41, and the Labour leader

:50:53.:50:55.

was here to support his staunchly pro-Corbyn candidate who says

:50:56.:50:57.

the election will be a test for Corbyn's politics.

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Tony, a bit of the world with all of these leaders visiting us at the

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moment. What is your sense as to how the party workers on the ground feel

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right now? It is easy to detect confidence and uncertainty and it is

:51:17.:51:21.

with the Conservatives, they see confidence but they are trying to

:51:22.:51:24.

temper that confidence and say not to take things for granted.

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Remember, the turnout in the local elections is was considered smaller

:51:29.:51:33.

than a general election, so it is quite hard to play that through and

:51:34.:51:36.

see what the result will finally be. Jeremy Corbyn made the point

:51:37.:51:40.

yesterday, saying that he did not think it was as bad as the pundits

:51:41.:51:45.

are saying, that the gap in the local elections was 11% but it is

:51:46.:51:48.

considerably more in the opinion polls. Labour must still be reeling

:51:49.:51:53.

from these results. The local election results, they are

:51:54.:51:56.

particularly reeling in Derbyshire, where there was a big turnaround and

:51:57.:51:59.

that is because the board of Ukip went to the Conservatives, as we

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thought might happen. But in Nottinghamshire, you have to say,

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Labour will look and think this is not as bad as it could have been,

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you look at getting in particular, one of those parliamentary seats

:52:15.:52:17.

where you would think that Vernon Coaker's majority would be washed

:52:18.:52:22.

away, but they vote for Labour in getting seemed to hold up. It looks

:52:23.:52:27.

like the biggest danger to the Conservatives right now is the

:52:28.:52:33.

complacency, isn't it? Particularly at a local elections, people

:52:34.:52:35.

complain about roads and services but if they do not turn out and

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vote, that does not help us at all. I constantly talk to people and I am

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sorry to say, a lot of young people have said they will not vote, they

:52:44.:52:47.

cannot be bothered, they have never voted, that is such a shame. Our

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democracy is precious and was hard fought for and won and I think we

:52:53.:52:56.

should value our vote and I am so sorry when I see people not

:52:57.:52:59.

exercising that. Opinion polls have said that your party has a big lead,

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the Sunday Telegraph this morning has it that you are on course for

:53:03.:53:08.

the biggest majority in 50 years. Has a central office said to you not

:53:09.:53:10.

to celebrate too much right now, there is a sense that you are all

:53:11.:53:14.

playing it down a little bit and do not want to over egg your position.

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Nothing like that, no messages have come down not to do that. We have

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been around far too long to think or celebrating before it happens. We

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must not be complacent and people will not turn out the mess they

:53:27.:53:29.

think there is something to fight for. I can remember past elections

:53:30.:53:33.

when people took things for granted, think about Neil Kinnock and when

:53:34.:53:36.

they thought it was in the bag for the Labour Party. You have to fight

:53:37.:53:44.

down to the wire. Temp Lee-mac, or pizza, Labour have to move on but

:53:45.:53:49.

Hardyal Dhindsa. We do not, we have Hardyal Dhindsa. We do not, we have

:53:50.:53:57.

to get our message across. In Derbyshire, the three areas that we

:53:58.:54:03.

got parliamentary sitting MPs, they did better than Ruby did not have

:54:04.:54:10.

MPs and the vote held up for them. Natascha Engel 's, Dennis Skinner,

:54:11.:54:16.

Toby Perkins, two seats lost in those parliamentary areas and we

:54:17.:54:18.

have to build on that. We have to see how we engage. It was pretty

:54:19.:54:23.

clear from what we saw and we heard it in the film from poorly they are

:54:24.:54:27.

the traditional working class voters in the East Midlands, certainly the

:54:28.:54:31.

ones that only spoke to in Mansfield area, they do not like Jeremy Corbyn

:54:32.:54:36.

and that looks like a problem for you here and nationally. They just

:54:37.:54:38.

do not like him, that is what they told us. I think it is about

:54:39.:54:43.

engaging with those people in Mansfield and other errors like

:54:44.:54:45.

that, we have to hear their concerns that, we have to hear their concerns

:54:46.:54:49.

and they think that is what we are doing, we are trying at the

:54:50.:54:52.

grassroots to understand their concerns and then we have to

:54:53.:54:55.

articulate them into our message. The policies that we are putting

:54:56.:54:59.

forward are having a positive welcome. Tony Cottee about the

:55:00.:55:05.

position of labour and where the Tories are looking ahead to the

:55:06.:55:08.

election, other signs of the other parties making progress in the East

:55:09.:55:12.

Midlands? If you look at the Lib Dems in the East Midlands, they have

:55:13.:55:16.

gained another seat, the same thing gained another seat, the same thing

:55:17.:55:20.

happened in Derbyshire, lost one seat, gained another, but going back

:55:21.:55:23.

to what we have just said, what will be crucial and I think it is a local

:55:24.:55:30.

thing really, the amount of legwork, the amount of doorknocking, the

:55:31.:55:35.

amount of people that the party talks too, that makes a real

:55:36.:55:38.

happening most, I think maybe that happening most, I think maybe that

:55:39.:55:41.

up. That is going to be crucial and up. That is going to be crucial and

:55:42.:55:46.

I do not think we should assume anything because local factors can

:55:47.:55:50.

play a big part in the election. We saw that at the last general

:55:51.:55:54.

election in the East Midlands. One thing that has clearly been

:55:55.:55:57.

described as that traditional Labour voters went to Ukip because they

:55:58.:56:02.

the Labour Party. Now they are going the Labour Party. Now they are going

:56:03.:56:06.

to the Conservatives. We need to be listening to those people that are

:56:07.:56:12.

giving the impression and actually giving the message that we are

:56:13.:56:18.

concerned about them and we want to help them. For example, things like

:56:19.:56:27.

hour, making sure that working class hour, making sure that working class

:56:28.:56:31.

and lower paid people are not being taxed. The 80,000... Too many

:56:32.:56:38.

messages going out? Yes, they are not listening to people, if you go

:56:39.:56:42.

back to Mansfield which I know well and shop infrequently, the people

:56:43.:56:46.

there have not been listened to voters and feel left behind. The

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Labour Party have to have a good look at things. People are not

:56:50.:56:56.

ambitious or taught to be ambitious. Very briefly, Tony, before you

:56:57.:57:00.

leave, what is happening this week? We can expect more big hitters

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coming to the East Midlands from all sides. Thank you, Tony. No doubt the

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general election will bring in some new faces in Parliament.

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But two of our familiar faces in the East Midlands are standing down.

:57:13.:57:15.

Conservative Sir Edward Garnier and Labour's Graham Allen have more

:57:16.:57:17.

than 50 years of service between them, but this

:57:18.:57:19.

weekend they've been packing their bags in Westminster.

:57:20.:57:21.

Our reporter, John Hess, caught up with them as they prepared

:57:22.:57:24.

The MPs have gone, so have their advisers,

:57:25.:57:29.

this place, Parliament, is in a state of hibernation

:57:30.:57:31.

But two of our best-known politicians are still inside,

:57:32.:57:35.

clearing their parliamentary offices for the last time.

:57:36.:57:37.

Rolling up the years and his constituency map,

:57:38.:57:43.

Sir Edward Garnier packs up his things after 25 years

:57:44.:57:45.

The constituency achievement I am probably most proud of is the battle

:57:46.:57:52.

against the Co-op new town, they wanted to build up to 20,000

:57:53.:57:55.

new houses on farmland, which would have completely

:57:56.:57:57.

destroyed rural Harborough, it would have turned

:57:58.:58:01.

Market Harborough almost into a suburb of the

:58:02.:58:03.

The former Solicitor General has held high-profile government roles,

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but that recognition can backfire, as in a chance meeting

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He said, "I was told you were part of a Dutch parliamentary delegation.

:58:15.:58:25.

Whoever let you in should be taken out and shot."

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And we had half an hour just chatting and in dealing

:58:28.:58:32.

with a stranger who had just turned up on the off-chance, he could not

:58:33.:58:36.

have been more charming, but also more inspiring.

:58:37.:58:39.

That was one of the great moments of my life.

:58:40.:58:42.

I'm now on my way to the parliamentary offices of another

:58:43.:58:45.

one of our MPs who is standing down after 30 years, Nottingham

:58:46.:58:48.

His staff help with the heavy lifting.

:58:49.:58:56.

In these boxes, the story of this Labour MP's political battles,

:58:57.:58:59.

won and lost and his continuing frustration with Parliament itself.

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No, not really, I think it has let people down over the last 30 years

:59:06.:59:16.

when I have been here, it has not raised the issues

:59:17.:59:19.

I think the House of Commons is not fit for purpose.

:59:20.:59:23.

It wasn't when I came in and it is not now and we have

:59:24.:59:26.

seen how it has been rolled over by the government.

:59:27.:59:29.

Two MPs from very contrasting political traditions.

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So what advice would they give now to their successors?

:59:31.:59:33.

I think it is really important to keep that core of integrity,

:59:34.:59:36.

whatever else is going on around you, whatever else you need

:59:37.:59:38.

to do with the media, however many compromises you need

:59:39.:59:41.

to make in politics to make progress, what do you believe in?

:59:42.:59:43.

As a politician you have to develop a pretty thick skin

:59:44.:59:46.

because if you don't, you are in the wrong business.

:59:47.:59:49.

The door is almost shut on a long parliamentary career,

:59:50.:59:51.

as two of our senior politicians take a new destination out

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It is interesting, isn't it, that Graham Allen who is stepping down

:59:55.:00:09.

after 30 years seems very disillusioned as he leaves

:00:10.:00:14.

Parliament. As politicians who work outside Westminster, do you share

:00:15.:00:19.

that view? Absolutely not, I am extraordinarily proud of Parliament.

:00:20.:00:25.

We had a referendum and then it all settle down. Where else does that

:00:26.:00:29.

happen? No bloodshed, I am proud of our parliamentarians and our MPs. I

:00:30.:00:34.

do not think he is saying that, he simply saying that he is

:00:35.:00:36.

disillusioned. Do you share that view? He has been a great MP and has

:00:37.:00:42.

been really committed to making social change and the early

:00:43.:00:45.

intervention programme he was involved than that, so in that area

:00:46.:00:49.

he did not see enough progress and I think that is where has this

:00:50.:00:52.

appointment is. Personally, I think you have to be in there to keep

:00:53.:00:55.

fighting for the things that you believe in and Graham Allen has been

:00:56.:01:01.

doing that for 20, 30 years. Thank you for that.

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That's the Sunday Politics in the East Midlands.

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Thanks to Kay Cutts and Hardyal Dhindsa.

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Next week, Graham Allen is our guest in the studio,

:01:08.:01:09.

along with the former Conservative MP, Jessica Lee.

:01:10.:01:11.

housing associations and investment, but we have run out of time, thank

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you. Andrew. Four weeks to go until polling day

:01:16.:01:30.

on the 8th of June, what will the party strategies be for the

:01:31.:01:33.

remaining four weeks? Let's begin with the Conservatives. Do they just

:01:34.:01:40.

try to continue to play it safe for four weeks? Yes, with this important

:01:41.:01:44.

qualification. Theresa May Corp this election to get her own personal

:01:45.:01:48.

mandate partly, partly because she thought she would win big but to get

:01:49.:01:52.

her own personal mandate. Therefore, she needs to define it. In her own

:01:53.:01:58.

interests and to do with accountability to the country. So

:01:59.:02:02.

clearly, they will not take risks when they are so far ahead in the

:02:03.:02:07.

polls. What they do say in the manifesto matters in

:02:08.:02:09.

terms of the space that she has in the coming years to define her

:02:10.:02:16.

leadership against David Cameron 's. She is a free figure, partly on the

:02:17.:02:21.

basis of what she says as to how big she wins. They cannot just play it

:02:22.:02:31.

safe and repeat their mantra of strong and stable leadership, if she

:02:32.:02:36.

is going to claim her own mandate, they need the top policy? Yes, and

:02:37.:02:41.

what is unusual about this is that the manifesto matters far more

:02:42.:02:44.

because of what they need to do with it afterwards, than in terms of

:02:45.:02:47.

whether it is going to win anybody over now. Clearly, the strategy is

:02:48.:02:53.

yes, we do have two layout out a few things, there are interesting

:02:54.:02:57.

debates as to whether, for example, they will still commit to this

:02:58.:03:00.

ambition of reducing immigration to the tens of thousands, we do not

:03:01.:03:04.

know the answer yet. It is a question on whether she is setting

:03:05.:03:07.

herself up for difficulties later on. It will be a short manifesto, I

:03:08.:03:15.

would venture to guess? It is in her interests to be as noncommittal as

:03:16.:03:19.

possible, that argues for a short manifesto but what does strike me

:03:20.:03:23.

about the Conservative campaign, aside from the ambiguity on policy,

:03:24.:03:28.

is how personal it is. I think Theresa May, in her most recent

:03:29.:03:33.

speech, referred to "My local candidates", rather than

:03:34.:03:36.

Parliamentary candidates, very much framing it as a presidential

:03:37.:03:43.

candidate in France or the USA. Not a rational on her part. Everything I

:03:44.:03:47.

hear from the MPs on the ground and the focus groups being done by the

:03:48.:03:52.

parties, is that a big chunk of the population personally identify with

:03:53.:03:56.

her. If you can wrap up Middle England into a physical object and

:03:57.:03:59.

embody it in a person, it would be her. Although Jeremy Corbyn's

:04:00.:04:05.

unpopularity accounts for a big slice of her popularity, she has

:04:06.:04:08.

done a good job of bonding with the public. We never saw that coming!

:04:09.:04:12.

But you may well be right. That is happening now. Labour say it wants

:04:13.:04:16.

the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell to play a more prominent role in the

:04:17.:04:21.

Labour campaign, he was on The Andrew Marr Show this morning and he

:04:22.:04:24.

was asked if he was a Marxist, he denied that he was. It surprised me

:04:25.:04:29.

as I had seen tape from before saying that he was proud of it.

:04:30.:04:37.

Let's look now and then. Are you a Marxist? I believe that there is a

:04:38.:04:42.

lot to learn... Yes or no? I believe that there is a lot to learn from

:04:43.:04:46.

reading capital, that is recommended not only by me but measuring

:04:47.:04:49.

economists as well. I also believe that in the long tradition of the

:04:50.:04:57.

Labour Party... We need to demand systemic change. I am a Marxist.

:04:58.:05:01.

This is a classic crisis of the economy. A capitalist crisis. I've

:05:02.:05:06.

been waiting for this for a generation! That was from about four

:05:07.:05:13.

years ago. No, I'm not a Marxist, yes, I am a Marxist... I've been

:05:14.:05:17.

waiting for the Marxist revolution my whole life... Does this kind of

:05:18.:05:21.

thing matter? Yes, but in fairness, I think he is a really good

:05:22.:05:27.

interviewee. The Shadow Cabinet have untested figures in a national

:05:28.:05:31.

campaign. None have ever been exposed at any level to a national

:05:32.:05:36.

media campaign that they are about to experience. He is the best

:05:37.:05:41.

interviewee. In fairness to him, when he gave that clip four years

:05:42.:05:46.

ago, I bet he never dream that he would be in a senior front bench

:05:47.:05:49.

position. But the background is clear. They are of the left, and I

:05:50.:05:54.

think they would all have described it. Jeremy Corbyn would have done,

:05:55.:06:01.

he is close to being like Tony Benn. There are about four Labour campaign

:06:02.:06:05.

is being fought in this election. Their campaign, the old Shadow

:06:06.:06:09.

Cabinet, campaigning in constituencies, but not identifying

:06:10.:06:13.

with that campaign. There is the former Labour leader Tony Blair. Is

:06:14.:06:20.

it damaging? I think so, if they could be damaged any further, I

:06:21.:06:23.

could see all of the Labour MPs with their heads in their hands. What I

:06:24.:06:28.

am hearing from Labour MPs is that there is not one of them who do not

:06:29.:06:31.

feel that they have a horrendous battle on their hands. These will be

:06:32.:06:36.

very individual local campaigns, where local MPs are winning despite

:06:37.:06:40.

the party leadership and not because of it. Already, talk is turning to

:06:41.:06:45.

what happens next. Is there anyway that Jeremy Corbyn, giving a

:06:46.:06:49.

horrendous set of general election results as many anticipate, may stay

:06:50.:06:55.

on all the same? It is not clear that even if the polls are right,

:06:56.:07:01.

that Mr Corbyn will go? John McDonnell implied it might not be

:07:02.:07:06.

the case but previously, he said it would be. What do you make of

:07:07.:07:10.

reports that the Labour strategy is not, I cannot quite believe I am

:07:11.:07:15.

saying this, not to win seats but maximise a share of the vote. If

:07:16.:07:20.

they do better than Ed Miliband with 30.5% of the vote, they believe they

:07:21.:07:24.

live to fight another day? Yes, it reminded me of Tony Benn's speech

:07:25.:07:29.

after the 1983 election where they said as bad as the Parliamentary

:07:30.:07:33.

defeat was there were 8 million votes for socialism. A big section

:07:34.:07:37.

of public opinion voted for that manifesto. I wonder whether that is

:07:38.:07:45.

Corbyn's supporters best chance of holding onto power. Whether they can

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say that those votes are a platform on which we can build. That said,

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even moderate Labour MPs and desperate for a quick leadership

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contest. I hear a lot of them say that they would like to leave it for

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one year. Maybe have Tom Watson as an acting Labour leader. He would

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still have a mandate. Give the top party a chance to regroup and get

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rid of some of its problems and decide where it stands on policy.

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Most importantly, for potential candidates to show what they are

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made of, rather than lurching straight into an Yvette Cooper

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Coronation. 30 seconds on the Liberal Democrats, their strategy

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was to mop up the Remain vote. Uncertain about the Brexit party in

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demise. Ukip. The remain as have a dilemma, the little Democrats are

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not a strong enough vessel with 89 MPs to risk all ongoing for them --

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the Liberal Democrats. Labour do not know where they stand on Brexit.

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There is not a robust alternative vessel for what is now a pro-Brexit

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Conservative Party. At the moment. Four weeks to go, but not for

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France... France has been voting since early

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this morning, and we should get a first estimate of who will be

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the country's next President Just to warn you there are some

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flashing images coming up. The choice in France

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is between a centre-left liberal reformer Emmanuel Macron

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and a right-wing nationalist Marine Le Pen - both have been

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casting their votes this morning. The two candidates topped

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a field of 11 presidential hopefuls in the first

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round of elections last month. The campaign has been marked

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by its unpredictability, and in a final twist on Friday

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evening, just before campaigning officially ended,

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Mr Macron's En Marche! group said it had been the victim

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of a "massive" hack, with a trove of documents

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released online. The Macron team said real documents

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were mixed up with fake ones, and electoral authorities warned

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media and the public that spreading details of the leaks would breach

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strict election rules. I'm joined now from

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Paris by the journalist As I left Paris recently, everybody

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told me that there was the consensus that Mr Macron would win, and win

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pretty comfortable you. Is there any reason to doubt that? -- pretty

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comfortably. I don't think so, there have been so many people left and

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right, former candidates who have decided that it was more important

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to vote for Macron, even if it was agreed with him, then run the risk

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of having Marine Le Pen as president. I think the spread is now

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20 points, 60% to Macron, 40% to Le Pen. So outside of the margin of

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error that it would take something huge for this to be observed. If the

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polls are right and Mr Macron wins, he has to put together a government,

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and in May there is a Coronation, then he faces parliamentary

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elections in June and could face a fractured parliament where he does

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not have a clear majority for his reforms. He could then faced

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difficulties in getting his programme through? I think that

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right now, with how things are looking, considering you have one

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half of the Republican party, the Conservative Party, they are making

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clear sides, not only that they want to support Macron but are supporting

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him actively. It means looking at the equivalent of the German party,

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the great coalition. Depending on how many seats established parties

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keep in the house committee may very well have a Republican Prime

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Minister, rather than having an adversarial MP, he may have someone

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who is relatively unknown outside of France, and a young woman. Contended

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that lost the Parez mayorship three years ago. She is a scientist and

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has been secretary of state. She would be an interesting coalition

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Prime Minister. Finally, Marine Le Pen, if she goes down to defeat a

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night, does she have the stomach and ambition, and the energy, to try it

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all again in 2022? She has all of that. The question is, would they

:12:35.:12:39.

let her? How badly would she lose? Her niece, now 27, a hard-working

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and steady person, unlike Marine Le Pen, who flunked her do paid --

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debate, her niece may decide that 2022 is her turn. Yet another Le

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Pen! All right, we will see. Just five years to wait, but only a few

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hours until the results of the election tonight.

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And we will get the exit polls here on the BBC. Given the exit polls

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will give as a pretty fair indication of what the result is

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going to be tonight. That will be on BBC news. That's all for today.

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The Daily Politics will cover every turn of this election campaign,

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