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It's Sunday morning and this is the Sunday Politics. | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
Theresa May unveils plans to build many more affordable homes | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
in England, but with no price tag, timetable or building targets - | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
Labour takes aim at the City with what it calls a Robin Hood Tax | :00:49. | :00:55. | |
to fund public services, but will traders just | :00:56. | :00:56. | |
Don't look at the polls - Jeremy Corbyn, at least, | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
insists he can win this election - so which way will | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
And in the East Midlands: group in Leeds. | :01:04. | :01:09. | |
Will Jeremy Corbyn's policies prove a vote winner or vote loser | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
And are young voters getting a raw deal from politicians? | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
and here, what the parties are saying about tackling the air | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
pollution problem in London. And with me, our own scientifically | :01:20. | :01:26. | |
selected focus group of political pundits - | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
they're not so much undecided as clueless - | :01:31. | :01:32. | |
Tom Newton Dunn, Isabel Oakeshott They'll be tweeting | :01:33. | :01:34. | |
throughout the programme. So, we've got two new | :01:35. | :01:41. | |
policies this morning. Labour say they will introduce | :01:42. | :01:43. | |
a financial transaction tax if they win the general election | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
and what they're calling "the biggest crackdown on tax | :01:47. | :01:48. | |
avoidance in the country's history". The Conservatives say they'll work | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
with local authorities in England to build council houses | :01:51. | :01:53. | |
with the right to buy. Theresa May says the policy | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
"will help thousands of people get on the first rung | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
of the housing ladder". Steve, what do you make of them? I | :01:58. | :02:10. | |
have been conditioned after doing tax and spend debates in | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
pre-election periods for many decades to treat policy is not as | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
literal but as arguments. In other words if you look back to 2015 the | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
Tory plan to wipe out the deficit was never going to happen and yet it | :02:24. | :02:28. | |
framed and large event. In that sense the Robin Hood tax is a | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
sensible move for Labour to make at this point because it is part of a | :02:32. | :02:36. | |
narrative of reconfiguring taxation to be fair. Treating it as an | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
argument rather than something that would happen in day one of Labour | :02:41. | :02:47. | |
government is sensible. In terms of building houses Theresa May said | :02:48. | :02:49. | |
right from the beginning when she was in Number Ten that there is a | :02:50. | :02:53. | |
housing deficit in this country rather than the economic deficit | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
George Osborne was focusing on, and this is an example of trying to get | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
house-building going. It seems entirely sensible, not sure how it | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
works with right to buy but again as framing of a 90 minute it makes | :03:06. | :03:10. | |
sense. I disagree with Steve on one front which is how sensible Theresa | :03:11. | :03:18. | |
May's policy is on the housing announcement. I think more broadly | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
these two announcements have something in common which is that | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
over the next 24 hours both will probably unravel in different ways. | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
Ye of little faith! The Mayor of London has already said he doesn't | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
agree with this, and when people see the actual impact of what looks like | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
a populist tax will very potentially affect people's pensions, it might | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
become a lot less popular. On the Tory housing plans, I think it is | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
difficult to imagine how they are going to implement this huge, what | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
looks like a huge land and property grab. Through compulsory purchase | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
orders, which are not a simple instrument. They say they will | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
change the law but really the idea of paying people below the market | :04:07. | :04:09. | |
value for their assets is not something I can see sitting easily | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
with Tory backbenchers or the Tories in the House of Lords. Tom. Both | :04:15. | :04:21. | |
would appear superficially to be appealing to traditional left and | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
traditional right bases. What is more Tory than right to buy, then | :04:26. | :04:32. | |
councils sell on these houses, and Labour slapping a massive tax on the | :04:33. | :04:40. | |
city. The Tories' plan, I would say look a bit deeper and all of the | :04:41. | :04:43. | |
Tory narrative from the last six years which hasn't worked well is | :04:44. | :04:47. | |
talking about the private sector increasing supply in the market. Now | :04:48. | :04:52. | |
Mrs May is talking about the role for the state after all so this is | :04:53. | :04:59. | |
the shift creeping in. On the Labour transaction tax, one of the most | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
interesting things I heard in days was from Paul Mason, former BBC | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
correspondent, now a cog in Easter extreme. On Newsnight he said don't | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
worry about whether the Labour manifesto will add up, I'm promising | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
it will, the bigger Tory attack line should be what on earth will be the | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
macroeconomic effect of taking so much tax out of the system. Very | :05:26. | :05:31. | |
well, we shall see. At least we have some policies to talk about. | :05:32. | :05:33. | |
Now, on Tuesday Labour will launch its manifesto. | :05:34. | :05:35. | |
But we've already got a pretty good idea of what's in it - | :05:36. | :05:38. | |
that's because most of its contents were leaked to the media | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
Labour has a variety of spending pledges including an extra | :05:42. | :05:49. | |
?6 billion a year for the NHS, an additional ?8 billion for social | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
care over the lifetime of the next parliament, | :05:53. | :05:54. | |
as well as a ?250 billion in infrastructure over | :05:55. | :05:57. | |
The party will support the renewal of the Trident submarine system, | :05:58. | :06:04. | |
although any Prime Minister should be extremely cautious | :06:05. | :06:06. | |
about its use, and the party will hold a strategic defence | :06:07. | :06:08. | |
and security review immediately after the election. | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
In terms of immigration, Labour will seek "reasonable | :06:12. | :06:13. | |
management of migration", but it will not make "false | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
Elsewhere, university tuition fees will be abolished, | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
and the public sector pay cap, which limits pay rises | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
for public sector workers to 1%, will be scrapped. | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
The party also aims to renationalise the railways, the Royal Mail | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
and the National Grid, as well as creating at least one | :06:32. | :06:38. | |
A senior Labour backbencher described it to the Sunday Politics | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
as a manifesto for a leadership who don't "give a toss | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
about the wider public", and several other Labour candidates | :06:47. | :06:48. | |
told us they thought it had been deliberately | :06:49. | :06:50. | |
leaked by the leadership, with one suggesting | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
the leak was intended to "bounce the National Executive" | :06:55. | :06:56. | |
And we're joined now from Salford by the Shadow Business Secretary, | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
Welcome to the programme. The draft manifesto proposed to renationalise | :07:01. | :07:08. | |
the number of industry. You will wait for the franchises to run out | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
rather than buy them out at the moment so can you confirm the | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
railways will not be wholly nationalised until 2030, after three | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
Labour governments, and Jeremy Corbyn will be 80? I'm not going to | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
comment on leaks, you will just have to be patient and wait to see what | :07:29. | :07:35. | |
is in our manifesto. But you have already announced you will | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
nationalise the railways, so tell me about it. We have discussed taking | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
the franchises into public ownership as they expire, however the detail | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
will be set out in the manifesto so I'm not prepared to go into detail | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
until that policy is formally laid out on Tuesday. That doesn't sound | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
very hopeful but let's carry on. You will also nationalise the National | :07:57. | :08:03. | |
Grid, it has a market capitalisation of ?40 billion, why do you want to | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
nationalise that? Again, I'm not going to speculate on leaks, you | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
will just have to be patient. But you said you will nationalise the | :08:14. | :08:20. | |
National Grid so tell's Y. The leaks have suggested but you will just | :08:21. | :08:23. | |
have to wait and see what the final manifesto states on that one. So is | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
it a waste of time me asking you how you will pay for something that | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
costs 40 billion? Be patient, just couple of days to go, but what I | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
would say is there is growing pressure from the public to reform | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
the utilities sector. The Competition and Markets Authority | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
stated in 2015 that bill payers were paying over till debt -- ?2 billion | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
in excess of what they should be paying so there is a clear need for | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
reform. The bills we get are from the energy companies, you are not | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
going to nationalise them, you are going to nationalise the | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
distribution company and I wondered what is the case for nationalising | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
the distribution company? As I said, our full plans will be set out on | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
Tuesday. In relation to the big six energy companies, we know in recent | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
years they have been overcharging customers... There's no point in | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
answering questions I am not asking. I am asking what is the case for | :09:26. | :09:31. | |
nationalising the National Grid? There is a case for reforming the | :09:32. | :09:34. | |
energy sector as a whole and that looks at the activities of the big | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
six companies and it will look at other aspects too. You will have to | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
be patient and wait until Tuesday. What about the Royal Mail? Again, | :09:45. | :09:51. | |
you will have to wait until Tuesday. Why can't you just be honest with | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
the British voter? We know you are going to do this and you have a duty | :09:56. | :10:02. | |
to explain. I'm not even arguing whether it is right or wrong. The | :10:03. | :10:08. | |
Royal Mail was sold off and we know it was sold under value and British | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
taxpayers have a reason to feel aggrieved about that. There is a | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
long-term strategy that would ensure the Royal Mail was classified as a | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
key piece of infrastructure but the details of that will be set out in | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
our manifesto because we want to ensure businesses and households | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
ensure the best quality of service when it comes to their postal | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
providers. You plan to borrow an extra 25 billion per year, John | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
McDonnell has already announced this, on public investment, on top | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
of the around 50 billion already being planned for investment. You | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
will borrow it all so that means, if you can confirm, that many years | :10:49. | :10:56. | |
after the crash by 2021, Labour government would still be borrowing | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
75 billion a year. Is that correct? We have set out ?250 billion of | :11:03. | :11:09. | |
capital investment, and ?250 billion for a national investment bank. Our | :11:10. | :11:12. | |
financial and fiscal rules dictate we will leave the Government in a | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
state of less debt than we found it at the start of the parliament so we | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
won't increase the national debt at the end of our Parliamentary term. | :11:20. | :11:26. | |
How can you do that if by 2021 you will still be borrowing around 75 | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
billion a year, which is more than we borrow at the moment? The 500 | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
billion figure is set out over a period of ten years, it's a figure | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
that has been suggested by Peter Helm from Oxford University as a | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
figure that is necessary to bring us in line with other industrial | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
competitors. Similar figures have been suggested by groups such as the | :11:50. | :11:57. | |
CBI. By the way I have not included all 500 billion, just the 250 | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
billion on public spending, not the extra money. You talk about the | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
fiscal rules. The draft manifesto said you will leave debt as a | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
proportion of trend GDP law at the end of each parliament, you have | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
just said a version of that. What is trend GDP? In clear terms we will | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
ensure the debt we acquire will be reduced by the end of the | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
parliament. We won't leave the Government finances in a worse state | :12:26. | :12:33. | |
than we found them. OK, but what is trend GDP? Our rule is we will | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
ensure public sector net debt is less than we found it when we came | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
to power in Government on June the 8th. But that is not what your draft | :12:42. | :12:49. | |
manifesto says. I'm not going to comment on leaks, you are just going | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
to have to wait until Tuesday to look at the fine detail and perhaps | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
we will have another chat then. You have published your plans for | :12:59. | :13:01. | |
corporation tax and you will increase it by a third and your | :13:02. | :13:06. | |
predictions assumed that will get an extra 20 billion a year by the end | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
of the parliament. But that assumes the companies don't change their | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
behaviour, that they move money around, they leave the country or | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
they generate smaller profits. Is that realistic? You are right to | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
make that point and you will see when we set out our policies and | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
costings in the manifesto that we haven't spent all of the tax take. | :13:29. | :13:34. | |
We have allowed for different differentials and potential changes | :13:35. | :13:37. | |
in market activity because that would be approved and direction to | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
take. But corporation tax is allowed to be cut in France and the United | :13:42. | :13:49. | |
States, it's only 12.5% in Dublin. Many companies based in Britain are | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
already wondering whether they should relocate because of Brexit, | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
if you increase this tax by a third couldn't that clinch it for a number | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
of them? No, we will still be one of the lowest corporation tax rate in | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
the G7. Let's look at what's important for business. Cutting | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
corporation tax in itself doesn't improve productivity, or business | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
investment and there's no suggestion cutting corporation tax in recent | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
years has achieved that. Businesses need an investment in tools in | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
things they need to thrive and prosper, they also need to reduce | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
the burden at the lower end of the tax scale, before we get to the | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
Prophet stage. One key example is business rates. We have made the | :14:36. | :14:42. | |
proposal to government to in -- exclude machinery so businesses can | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
invest and grow operations in the future but the Government refused. | :14:47. | :14:52. | |
Corporation tax has been cut since 2010. When it was 28% it brought in | :14:53. | :15:03. | |
?43 billion a year. Now it is down to 20%, it brought in ?55 billion a | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
year. By cutting it in the last year, it brought in 21% more, so | :15:10. | :15:16. | |
what is the problem? It might have brought in more money, but has it | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
increased business investment in the long term. It is not just about | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
cutting corporation tax, but it is on the ability of businesses to | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
thrive and prosper. Business investment in the UK is below are | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
industrial competitors. Wages are stagnating which doesn't indicate | :15:36. | :15:42. | |
businesses are not doing well. Let me get it right, you are arguing if | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
we increase business tax by a third, that will increase investment? I am | :15:48. | :15:54. | |
not saying that. You just did. Know I didn't, I said reducing business | :15:55. | :16:01. | |
tax isn't enough, you have to invest in the things businesses need to | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
thrive and prosper. You have also got to lessen the burden on | :16:06. | :16:17. | |
business. You have announced a financial transaction tax. Your own | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
labour Mayor of London said he has vowed to fight it. He said I do not | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
want a unilateral tax on business in our city, so why are you proceeding | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
with it? This isn't a new initiative, there is a growing | :16:33. | :16:35. | |
global pressure to make sure we have fairness in the financial sector. | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
Ordinary British people are paying for our banking crisis they didn't | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
cause. Another important point, stamp duty reserve tax was brought | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
in in the 1600 and there have been little reforms. The sector has | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
changed and we have do provide changes to the system for that | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
change. High-frequency trading where we have a state of affairs where a | :17:00. | :17:04. | |
lot of shares are traded on computers within milliseconds. We | :17:05. | :17:08. | |
need a tax system that keeps up with that. What happens if they move the | :17:09. | :17:15. | |
computers to another country? Emily Thornaby said this morning, other | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
countries had already introduced a financial transaction tax, what | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
other countries have done that? There are ten countries looking at | :17:24. | :17:31. | |
introducing a transaction tax. Which ones have done it so far? They will | :17:32. | :17:39. | |
be later announcing a final package, going through the finer detail at | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
the moment. But the European Commission tried to get this done in | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
2011 and it still hasn't happened in any of these countries. But you are | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
going to go ahead unilaterally and risk these businesses, which | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
generate a lot of money, moving to other jurisdictions. There is not a | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
significant risk of that happening. The stamp duty reserve tax is levied | :18:02. | :18:13. | |
at either where the person or company is domiciled or where the | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
instrument is issued rather than worth the transaction takes place. | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
This tax in itself is not enough to make people leave this country in | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
terms of financial services because there is more to keep these | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
businesses here in terms of the investment we are making, the | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
economy that Labour will build, in terms of productivity improvement we | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
will see. Thank you very much, Rebecca Long-Bailey. | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
And listening to that was the Home Office Minister, Brandon Lewis. | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
Over the years, you have got corporation tax by 20%, it is lower | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
than international standards, so why are so many global companies who | :18:55. | :19:02. | |
make money out of Great Britain, still not paying 20%? It is one of | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
the problems with the point Labour were making and Rebecca could not | :19:07. | :19:09. | |
answer, these companies can move around the world. One of the | :19:10. | :19:16. | |
important things is having a low tax economy but these businesses, it | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
encourages them to come at a rate they are prepared to pay. People may | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
say they are right, if they were paying 19, 20% incorporation tax. | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
But they are not. Google runs a multi-million pound corporation and | :19:31. | :19:39. | |
did not pay anywhere near 20%. There are companies that are trading | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
internationally and that is why we have to get this work done with our | :19:44. | :19:52. | |
partners around the world. Has there been an improvement? It is more than | :19:53. | :19:55. | |
they were paying before. Whether it is Google or any other company, | :19:56. | :20:00. | |
alongside them being here, apart from the tax they pay, it is the | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
people they employ. The deal was, if you cut the business tax, the | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
corporation tax on profits, we would get more companies coming here and | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
more companies paying their tax. It seems it doesn't matter how low, a | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
number of companies just pay a derisory amount and you haven't been | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
able to change that. As you outlined, the income taken from the | :20:26. | :20:27. | |
changing corporation tax has gone up. That is from established British | :20:28. | :20:35. | |
companies, not from these international companies. It is | :20:36. | :20:38. | |
because more companies are coming here and paying tax. That is a good | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
thing. There is always more to do and that is why we want to crack | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
down. In the last few weeks in the Finnish Parliament, Labour refused | :20:49. | :20:52. | |
to put to another ?8.7 billion of tax take we could have got by | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
cracking down further. You claim to have made great progress on cracking | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
down on people and companies to pay the tax they should. But the tax gap | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
is the difference between what HMRC takes in and what it should take in. | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
It has barely moved in five years, so where is the progress? He have | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
brought in 150 billion more where we have cracked down on those tax | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
schemes. The gap is still the same as it was five years ago. It's gone | :21:25. | :21:34. | |
from 6.8, 26.5. It has gone down. The Prime Minister and the | :21:35. | :21:37. | |
Chancellor said they want to continue work on to get more money | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
on these companies while still having a competitive rate to | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
encourage these companies. While big business and the wealthy continue to | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
prosper, the Office for Budget Responsibility tell us those on | :21:54. | :21:55. | |
average earnings in this country will be earning less in real terms | :21:56. | :22:01. | |
by 2021 than they did in 2008. How can that be fair? I don't see it | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
that way. I haven't seen the figures you have got. What I can say to you, | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
Andrew, we have made sure the minimum wage has gone up, the actual | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
income tax people pay has gone down. So in their pocket, real terms, | :22:18. | :22:26. | |
people have more money. You are the self-styled party of work. We keep | :22:27. | :22:28. | |
emphasising work. Under your government you can work for 13 years | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
and still not earn any more at the end of it, and you did at the start. | :22:33. | :22:39. | |
Where is the reward for effort in that? I have not seen those figures. | :22:40. | :22:45. | |
There are 2.8 million more people, more jobs in economy than there was. | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
1000 jobs every day and people are working and developing through their | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
careers. This is what I thought was odd in what Rebecca was saying, | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
investing in people is what the apprenticeship levy is about, | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
companies are investing their works force to take more opportunities | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
that there. We are talking about fairness, politicians talk about | :23:09. | :23:12. | |
hard-working people and we know the average earnings are no higher than | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
they were in 2008. We know the pay and bonuses of senior executives | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
have continued to grow and the Institute for Fiscal Studies has | :23:22. | :23:25. | |
shown 3 million of the poorest households will lose an average of | :23:26. | :23:30. | |
?2500 a year in the next Parliament, benefits frozen, further sanctions | :23:31. | :23:36. | |
kick in. 3 million of the poorest losing 2500. Under the Tories, one | :23:37. | :23:41. | |
law for the rich and another for the poor. It is quite wrong. First of | :23:42. | :23:47. | |
all, we have got to be fair to the taxpayer who is funding the welfare | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
and benefit system. Which is why the welfare was right. Get more people | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
in work and then it is important to get more people upscaling. As that | :23:58. | :24:04. | |
allowance rises, people have more of the money they earn in their pocket | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
to be able to use in the economy. People will be worse off. 2500, | :24:10. | :24:15. | |
among the poorest already. They will have more money in their pocket as | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
we increase the allowance before people pay tax. We have seen | :24:22. | :24:28. | |
millions of people coming out of tax altogether. The reason I ask these | :24:29. | :24:31. | |
questions, you and the Prime Minister go on and on about the just | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
about managing classes. I am talking about the just about managing and | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
below that. It is all talk, you haven't done anything for them. We | :24:41. | :24:45. | |
have made sure they have an increasing minimum wage, it has gone | :24:46. | :24:49. | |
up more under us than any other previous government. Their wages | :24:50. | :24:56. | |
will be still lower in real terms. Let me come on to this plan for | :24:57. | :25:00. | |
housing. We have announced a new plan to increase affordable housing, | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
social housing, some council housing and social housing built by the | :25:06. | :25:10. | |
associations. How much money is behind this? It is part of the 1.4 | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
billion announced in the Autumn Statement. How many homes will you | :25:15. | :25:21. | |
get for 1.4 billion? That depends on the negotiations with local | :25:22. | :25:24. | |
authorities. It is local authorities, who know the area best. | :25:25. | :25:32. | |
I will not put a number on that. 1.4 billion, if you price the house at | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
100,000, which is very low, particularly for the South, back at | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
you 14,000 new homes. That is it. What we have seen before, how the | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
local government can leveraged to build thousands more homes. That is | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
what we want to see across the country. It is not just about the | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
money, for a lot of local authorities it is about the | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
expertise and knowledge on how to do this. That is why support from the | :25:58. | :26:03. | |
housing communities minister will help. What is the timescale, how | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
many more affordable homes will be built? I will not put a number on | :26:10. | :26:15. | |
it. You announced it today, so you cannot tell me how many more or what | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
the target is? It is a matter of working with the local authorities | :26:21. | :26:23. | |
who know what their local needs are, what land they have got available. | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
What we saw through the local elections with the Metro mayors, | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
they want to deliver in their areas, whether it is the West of England, | :26:32. | :26:35. | |
the north-east, Liverpool, Manchester and we want to work with | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
them. You have said variations of this for the past seven years and I | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
want some credibility. When you cannot tell us how much money, what | :26:45. | :26:49. | |
the target and timescale is, and this government, under which | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
affordable house building has fallen to a 24 year low. 1.2 million | :26:54. | :26:58. | |
families are on waiting lists for social housing to rent. That is your | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
record. Why should we believe a word you say? This is different to what | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
we have been doing over the last two years. We want to develop and have a | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
strong and stable economy that can sustain that 1.4 billion homes. This | :27:14. | :27:20. | |
is important. In 2010, we inherited the lowest level of house building, | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
75,000 new homes. That is about 189,000 over the last four years. | :27:28. | :27:32. | |
That is a big step forward after the crash, getting people back into the | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
industry. More first-time buyers onto the market. Final question, in | :27:36. | :27:47. | |
2010, 2011, your first year in government, there were 60,000 | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
affordable homes built. May not be enough, but last day it was 30 2000. | :27:52. | :27:59. | |
So why should we trust anything you say about this? On housing, we have | :28:00. | :28:07. | |
delivered. We have delivered more social housing. Double what Labour | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
did in 13 years, in just five years. This is what this policy is about, | :28:13. | :28:16. | |
working with local authorities to deliver more homes to people in | :28:17. | :28:17. | |
their local areas. Thank you. Now, they have a deficit | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
of between 15 and 20% in the polls, but Jeremy Corbyn and those | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
around him insist Labour can win. If the polls are right they've got | :28:26. | :28:27. | |
three and half weeks to change voters' minds and persuade those | :28:28. | :28:31. | |
fabled undecided voters We enlisted the polling organisation | :28:32. | :28:32. | |
YouGov to help us find out how the performance of party leaders | :28:33. | :28:37. | |
will affect behaviour Leeds, a city of three quarters | :28:38. | :28:39. | |
of a million people, eight Parliamentary seats and home | :28:40. | :28:49. | |
to our very own focus group. Our panel was recruited | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
from a variety of backgrounds and the majority say they haven't | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
decided who to vote for yet. Watching behind the glass, | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
two experts on different sides Giles Cunningham, who headed up | :29:01. | :29:03. | |
political press at Downing Street under David Cameron | :29:04. | :29:10. | |
and Aaron Bastani, Corbin supporter, under David Cameron | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
and Aaron Bastani, Corbyn supporter, I think Theresa May sees herself | :29:17. | :29:18. | |
as a pound shop Thatcher. Milliband's policies but when it | :29:19. | :29:22. | |
came about who you want, | :29:23. | :29:42. | |
if you wake up on maybe a 2015, We found in a couple of focus | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
groups, people saying we'd be quite relieved, | :29:47. | :29:50. | |
even though some of those same people have been saying we quite | :29:51. | :29:52. | |
like the Labour policies. I think the fact that Corbyn's | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
going so hard on his values, this is a really progressive | :29:56. | :29:59. | |
manifesto, they live But I think that's a new challenge, | :30:00. | :30:01. | |
that wasn't there in 2015. Is there anyone here that | :30:02. | :30:05. | |
you don't recognise? After a little warm up, | :30:06. | :30:07. | |
the first exercise, recognising I think it's nice to have a strong | :30:08. | :30:09. | |
woman in politics, I do. But I've got to say, | :30:10. | :30:16. | |
when she comes on the news, I kind of do think, | :30:17. | :30:19. | |
here we go again. Tell me about Tim Farron, what | :30:20. | :30:21. | |
are your impressions of Tim Farron? It isn't going to do anything, | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
it isn't going to change anything. You'll be surprised to hear it's | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
actually the Greens. Strong and stable leadership | :30:29. | :30:37. | |
in the national interest. Yes, Team May, it's | :30:38. | :30:50. | |
the British equivalent of make What do we think about this one | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
for the many and not the few? It's not quite as bad | :30:55. | :31:04. | |
as strong and stable, but it will probably get | :31:05. | :31:06. | |
on our nerves after a while. We must seize that chance today | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
and every day until June the 8th. But that's not quite my | :31:10. | :31:19. | |
question, my question is, if you are Prime Minister, | :31:20. | :31:27. | |
we will leave, come hell or high water, whatever is on the table | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
at the end of the negotiations? If we win the election, | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
we'll get a good deal with Europe. Assertive and in control | :31:34. | :31:36. | |
and he felt comfortable But the second one, I thought | :31:37. | :31:38. | |
he was very hesitant. I thought he was kind of, | :31:39. | :31:43. | |
hovering around, skirting around and that's the second | :31:44. | :31:52. | |
time I've seen a similar interview with the question | :31:53. | :31:54. | |
being asked regarding Brexit. I don't think I'd have | :31:55. | :31:56. | |
any confidence with him You think you are going up | :31:57. | :31:58. | |
against some quite strong people, how are you going to stand | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
up for us? When you are in negotiations, | :32:03. | :32:04. | |
you need to be tough. And actually is right | :32:05. | :32:09. | |
to be tough sometimes, particularly when you are doing | :32:10. | :32:11. | |
something for the country. There's a reason for talking | :32:12. | :32:13. | |
about strong and stable leadership. It's about the future | :32:14. | :32:15. | |
of the country, it's It's just that people kind of listen | :32:16. | :32:17. | |
to that kind of thing and think Both on The One Show | :32:18. | :32:22. | |
and in the news. She attracts the public better | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
than what Corbyn does. She didn't answer the question | :32:28. | :32:34. | |
in a more articular way than Corbyn Imagine that Theresa | :32:35. | :32:36. | |
May is an animal. So, in your minds, | :32:37. | :32:43. | |
what animal is coming to mind I've done a Pekinese because I think | :32:44. | :32:46. | |
she's all bark and no bite. Alpaca because she's | :32:47. | :33:00. | |
superior looking and woolly I don't think his policies | :33:01. | :33:06. | |
are for the modern, real world. A mouse because they are weak | :33:07. | :33:22. | |
and they can be easily bullied, but also they can catch | :33:23. | :33:25. | |
you by surprise if you're What do you take away | :33:26. | :33:27. | |
from what you saw then, and what message would you send back | :33:28. | :33:35. | |
to the Tories now? I think what came over is people see | :33:36. | :33:38. | |
Theresa May as a strong politician, not everyone likes her, | :33:39. | :33:41. | |
but you don't need to be liked to be elected, | :33:42. | :33:44. | |
because ultimately it's about who do you trust with your future | :33:45. | :33:46. | |
and your security. I think what I also take out | :33:47. | :33:48. | |
of that focus group, was it was a group of floating | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
voters, there was no huge appetite for the Lib Dems and there was no | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
huge appetite for Ukip. So my messaged back to CCHQ | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
would be stick to the plan. I thought the response | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
to the manifesto was excellent. It's clear that people aren't | :34:01. | :34:03. | |
particularly keen on Theresa May, There are some associations with her | :34:04. | :34:05. | |
about strength and stability, which is exactly what the Tory party | :34:06. | :34:10. | |
want of course, but they are not positive and nobody thinks | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
that she has a vision So, what I'd say the Jeremy Corbyn, | :34:15. | :34:16. | |
what I'd say to the Labour Party is, they need to really emphasise | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
the manifesto in Jeremy Corbyn himself has to perform | :34:23. | :34:24. | |
out of his skin and I think he has to reemphasise those | :34:25. | :34:31. | |
characteristics which may be have come to the fore may be | :34:32. | :34:33. | |
over the last 12 months, resilience, strength and the fact | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
that he's come this far, why not take that final step and go | :34:37. | :34:38. | |
into ten Downing Street? We're joined now by the American | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
political consultant For the sake of this discussion, | :34:42. | :34:48. | |
assume the polls at the moment are broadly right, is there any hope for | :34:49. | :34:55. | |
Mr Corbyn in the undecided voters? Know, and this is a very serious | :34:56. | :35:01. | |
collection with serious consequences to who wins. Nobody cares whether | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
you can draw and what animal they represent, they want to know where | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
they stand, and I felt that was frivolous. I come to Britain to | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
watch elections because I learned from here. Your elections are more | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
substantial, more serious, more policy and less about personality | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
and that peace was only about personality. That's partly because | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
Mrs May has decided to make this a presidential election. You can see | :35:28. | :35:37. | |
on the posters it is all Team May. I agree with that, and in her language | :35:38. | :35:45. | |
she says not everyone benefits from a Conservative government, I don't | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
see how using anything Republicans have used in the past. In fact her | :35:50. | :35:53. | |
campaign is more of a centrist Democrats but it is a smart strategy | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
because it pushes Corbyn further to the left. Of course you said Hillary | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
Clinton have won. On election night the polling was so bad in America, | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
the exit polls that were done, the BBC told America she had won. No, I | :36:09. | :36:14. | |
was anchoring the programme that night, I ignored your tweet. The BBC | :36:15. | :36:22. | |
had the same numbers. Yes, but we did not say she had won, I can | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
assure you of that. Because of people like you we thought she had | :36:28. | :36:32. | |
but we didn't broadcast it. That was a smart approach. My point is other | :36:33. | :36:39. | |
than teasing you, maybe there is hope for Jeremy Corbyn. I think you | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
will have one of the lowest turnout in modern history and I think Labour | :36:45. | :36:50. | |
will fall to one of the lowest percentages, not percentage of | :36:51. | :36:53. | |
number of seats they have had, and this will be a matter of | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
soul-searching for both political parties. What you do with a sizeable | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
majority, and she has a responsibility to tell the British | :37:04. | :37:06. | |
people exactly what happens as she moves forward. He and Labour will | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
have to take a look at whether they still represent a significant slice | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
of the British population. Do you see a realignment in British | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
politics taking place? I see a crumbling of the left and yet there | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
is still a significant percentage of the British population that once | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
someone who is centre-left. And they like a lot of Mr Corbyn's policies. | :37:30. | :37:38. | |
I'm listening to Michael foot. I went to school here in the 1980s and | :37:39. | :37:41. | |
I feel like I'm watching the Labour Party of 35 years ago, in a | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
population that wants to focus on the future, not the past. Thank you. | :37:45. | :37:51. | |
It's just gone 11.35, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :37:52. | :37:53. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now | :37:54. | :37:55. | |
Do young people hold the key to the election | :37:56. | :38:10. | |
You've got to realise that the young people are the ones that are at very | :38:11. | :38:16. | |
rarely represented by the political parties. | :38:17. | :38:19. | |
And it will be eyes down in this East Midlands | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
constituency come polling day, with a difference of just 41 votes | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
Derby North has the smallest majority in the country. | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
My guests this week, Jessica Lee, was a Conservative MP for Erewash | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
for five years before standing down in 2015 and Graham Allen, | :38:38. | :38:41. | |
has been a Labour MP for Nottingham North for 30 | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
years, but is stepping down at this election. | :38:46. | :38:47. | |
We'll also be joined by the Lib Dems and the Greens. | :38:48. | :38:50. | |
Welcome to you both and first let's get your reaction to some of this | :38:51. | :38:53. | |
The Conservative's big announcement is the promise | :38:54. | :38:59. | |
With hundreds of millions of pounds invested, | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
but we need 20,000 homes a year in the East Midlands alone. | :39:05. | :39:15. | |
I think it's a fantastic headline this morning. I'm glad it's come up | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
this early in the election campaign as well, because it has to be a | :39:22. | :39:26. | |
priority. It's not just the homes that are needed and going to bring | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
so much future for people, but it's the job and opportunities that go | :39:31. | :39:33. | |
with that. In the East Midlands, we have a proud history of building | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
apprenticeships in Syria. Think there will be opportunities in | :39:39. | :39:44. | |
wholesale, not just for the families and people moving in, but for | :39:45. | :39:51. | |
businesses. Michael Farren was being very big about whether that would | :39:52. | :39:54. | |
actually be extra cash for this policy. You'll know more than I do | :39:55. | :40:03. | |
at this stage. People are interested in costings. We have seen when | :40:04. | :40:06. | |
Labour got into difficulty with Diane Abbott. I think people do want | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
to know. I think the emphasis will be on the Conservatives to explain | :40:13. | :40:15. | |
how this is going to be funded and I hope they are able to set that as | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
possible. The manifestos will be out next week. | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
It's another example though of the Conservatives moving | :40:24. | :40:29. | |
You think they'd have the numbers and know what they're doing on | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
council housing after seven years in Government. They're making something | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
up, probably because Labour was very clear in its announcement that there | :40:40. | :40:45. | |
would be 100,000 extra new councils. Frankly, central Government, whether | :40:46. | :40:48. | |
it's Labour or Conservative telling us what we have to do locally, you | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
have to listen to people locally. There are places where we can | :40:53. | :40:54. | |
council housing. They're clearly targeting Labour | :40:55. | :40:56. | |
voters and that could cause Labourer boaters are not stupid, | :40:57. | :41:06. | |
they can see through this. I think what Labour reporters while we think | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
that the country is that they should leave it to the localities. My | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
constituency that I am now leaving doesn't need any more housing. It's | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
90% more housing already. We need more balanced community. Other areas | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
can take more housing. We've had to be localities and not have Labour or | :41:25. | :41:28. | |
Conservative telling us what to do from Whitehall. | :41:29. | :41:29. | |
One big question that could have a major influence on this | :41:30. | :41:32. | |
election is how many young people will turn out to vote. | :41:33. | :41:34. | |
There's been growing concern at their lack | :41:35. | :41:36. | |
of engagement in politics, but tens of thousands have | :41:37. | :41:38. | |
rushed to register in time for the general election. | :41:39. | :41:40. | |
Here's our political editor, Tony Roe. | :41:41. | :41:42. | |
On Friday morning, know that you are to blame for what happened. | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
A year ago, this student was in Ashby | :41:46. | :41:47. | |
telling Boris Johnson what he thought about Brexit. | :41:48. | :41:49. | |
At 17, Will Taylor had no other say than that. | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
But now he's old enough to vote in his first general election. | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
I'm lucky I've been brought up in a background where politics | :41:59. | :42:01. | |
But I don't think in everyone's house... | :42:02. | :42:04. | |
I think in-school current affairs maybe should be on | :42:05. | :42:09. | |
There is concern from the Electoral Commission that | :42:10. | :42:12. | |
three out of ten 18 to 24-year-olds are not | :42:13. | :42:14. | |
yet registered to vote and | :42:15. | :42:15. | |
many may have fallen off the electoral rolls | :42:16. | :42:18. | |
since the system was changed to meet each individual register. | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
Since last summer's EU referendum, three quarters of a | :42:24. | :42:26. | |
There is concern not enough of them have | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
And they've only got one week left to do it. | :42:32. | :42:40. | |
What we'll do is we'll head up into the polling | :42:41. | :42:42. | |
There have always been young political activists. | :42:43. | :42:45. | |
These University of Leicester students are | :42:46. | :42:46. | |
giving up their spare time to campaign for the Conservatives. | :42:47. | :42:49. | |
Whether it's just reading the news occasionally, | :42:50. | :42:51. | |
or seeing the news on Twitter in the morning, | :42:52. | :42:53. | |
it's vital that young people get involved in politics. | :42:54. | :42:55. | |
It's just important to young people as it is to all age | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
Them being the youngest, they are going to love the most. | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
So they need to be involved in politics, | :43:03. | :43:05. | |
Out on the streets of Nottingham, it's young Labour activists and | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
the polls show new voters are more likely to vote Labour. | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
The party see getting that support as a way of | :43:13. | :43:14. | |
Even if you're not going to vote for a party | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
that I would support, it still critical that | :43:18. | :43:19. | |
And actually, you know, the more young people are involved, all | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
parties, not just Labour, all parties will have to listen to them | :43:24. | :43:26. | |
and maybe reconsider some of their policies and target some | :43:27. | :43:30. | |
of those policies to win those younger voters over. | :43:31. | :43:33. | |
You know you're getting old when politicians look younger. | :43:34. | :43:35. | |
In Mansfield, Katie Atherton is the director of the growing media | :43:36. | :43:38. | |
She's been a Labour district councillor since early 20s, | :43:39. | :43:41. | |
Politicians, she says, get too much of use. | :43:42. | :43:50. | |
People don't want to say anything wrong or | :43:51. | :43:53. | |
And if you kind of mail your colours to the flag and the, "Well, do you | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
know what, I'm from this party, I'm from this party and that's me." | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
You are 100% going to get people that | :44:03. | :44:03. | |
So, what about those who don't engage with politics | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
We asked the Prime Minister, who was campaigning this | :44:08. | :44:10. | |
Opportunities that they've got for the future, our | :44:11. | :44:13. | |
future prosperity, depend on what happens over | :44:14. | :44:14. | |
That is about getting Brexit right, it's also about taking the country | :44:15. | :44:18. | |
So, I would say this is an important election, because it | :44:19. | :44:22. | |
It matters for them because it's about | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
The priorities for each generation are likely to be | :44:26. | :44:28. | |
different and will affect how they vote. | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
Labour offer things for young people. | :44:34. | :44:35. | |
They don't offer much and people do see it the lesser of | :44:36. | :44:37. | |
two evils, but I struggle to find, and I have looked, I struggle to | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
find what Conservatives do offer for young people. | :44:43. | :44:44. | |
Well, it's the party of aspiration, the party of bettering | :44:45. | :44:47. | |
yourself, the party of low tax and the | :44:48. | :44:49. | |
Of course, being registered to vote is one | :44:50. | :44:55. | |
thing, another is connecting with young people enough to get them out | :44:56. | :44:58. | |
of their homes to the polling stations. | :44:59. | :45:02. | |
We're joined now by Mathew Hulbert a Liberal Democrat in | :45:03. | :45:04. | |
Leicestershire, who's the chair of the party's Friends | :45:05. | :45:06. | |
We've spoken to young people who voted Lib Dem | :45:07. | :45:15. | |
in 2010 and wouldn't vote again due to your infamous U-turn on tuition | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
fees when you were part of the coalition Government. | :45:20. | :45:20. | |
That's still your biggest problem in getting them | :45:21. | :45:22. | |
It is and it wasn't our finest hour. I voted against the rising in | :45:23. | :45:34. | |
the other way and the party did that the other way and the party did that | :45:35. | :45:38. | |
in Coalition. All we can do now is try and say to young people, yes, | :45:39. | :45:44. | |
that was a mistake, I admit it was a mistake, but the future now is all | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
about Brexit and many young people are against Brexit and the Liberal | :45:50. | :45:52. | |
Democrats are the only mainstream party that are fundamentally against | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
Brexit, that the we accept the original result, but that set us off | :45:57. | :46:01. | |
on a direction of travel, we don't know from the Prime Minister rarely | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
any details in terms of this negotiation that she's going to do | :46:06. | :46:10. | |
with the European leaders. The older generations that predominately | :46:11. | :46:13. | |
bloated for Brexit, I'm afraid will be those that have to live with it | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
for the shortest amount of time. Those that have to live with it are | :46:19. | :46:21. | |
those young people and I would say to them whatever mistakes by party | :46:22. | :46:25. | |
app made in the past, if you're against Brexit, your only option is | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
to vote for the Liberal Democrats. Labour are abolishing tuition fees | :46:31. | :46:34. | |
and of their manifesto is to be believed, they're hoping to cash in | :46:35. | :46:36. | |
believed, they're hoping to cash in on that. | :46:37. | :46:38. | |
Katie Atherton, who was in Tony's piece went | :46:39. | :46:40. | |
into politics and is now stepping down because of the abuse, | :46:41. | :46:42. | |
not just on social media, she found the whole process | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
of politics in Mansfield very gladitorial. | :46:46. | :46:47. | |
Politics is a tough old game. I was a councillor for four years. When | :46:48. | :46:57. | |
you're a politician, an elected representative, an MP or a | :46:58. | :47:00. | |
counsellor, you have to make decisions on popular agree with them | :47:01. | :47:04. | |
and some people don't. Some people are a tad rude in their opposition | :47:05. | :47:09. | |
to what you do. To a certain extent, you had to dig on the chin, because | :47:10. | :47:12. | |
get if you stand for election. But get if you stand for election. But | :47:13. | :47:18. | |
by the same token, I think social media, you know, I'm on Twitter, | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
most of us are. You are. It's very easy to be angry about something and | :47:24. | :47:27. | |
type it in and it sent away. Instead, you should have a breath, | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
have a thought, think about whether it I would say that the person to | :47:32. | :47:34. | |
their face, if not, don't type it. Don't be know of those who media. -- | :47:35. | :47:41. | |
Maybe it's not in the interests of Conservatives | :47:42. | :47:44. | |
to encourage young people to vote - the younger you are, the more likely | :47:45. | :47:48. | |
That might be right, but I've always been consistent on this. I feel very | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
committed about encouraging people to register to vote from the | :47:55. | :47:56. | |
earliest opportunity, from the earliest possible age and to make | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
sure that people do take an interest in vote. I would say that the | :48:01. | :48:04. | |
earlier you take an interest, I would like to think that the | :48:05. | :48:07. | |
Conservative policies would appeal. Obviously that the policy of the | :48:08. | :48:13. | |
Conservative politicians. Be that as it may, this country is about the | :48:14. | :48:16. | |
future. You're voting for the next five years. Anyone coming to the | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
voting age now, there is such an important five years coming up. I | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
don't just mean Brexit, but domestic policy as well. This is their | :48:27. | :48:27. | |
You stood down after just one term, in a way you've walked away | :48:28. | :48:32. | |
from a career in politics too, were you disillusioned? | :48:33. | :48:36. | |
I hope not, no. I think public service is a brilliant thing to do. | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
It's a real privilege and pleasure. I also don't think that anyone | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
should be compelled to do it for whatever reason. It is about choice. | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
I think that's a really important message as well. For me it was about | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
serving my community, doing the best I possibly could and also for my | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
party and my country by the time I was there. I would say make sure you | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
vote and if you want to, make sure you stand. How do we make this | :49:03. | :49:05. | |
In the 1992 election, 63% of 18-24-year-olds voted. | :49:06. | :49:08. | |
In the last election it had dropped to 43%. | :49:09. | :49:11. | |
We all know how important this boat is, how are you going to bring it | :49:12. | :49:17. | |
home? And standing down whilst I still have some of my youth left. We | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
need to make politics more user-friendly generally. Above all | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
for women and also for young people. That includes things like getting | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
people involved, let's be a bit tough on this. Let's say that if we | :49:32. | :49:35. | |
can drop the voting age to 16, which I'm in favour of, then they should | :49:36. | :49:41. | |
be mandated. You are going to go and vote even if used by all your ballot | :49:42. | :49:46. | |
paper. That's something I have campaigned for for a long time, | :49:47. | :49:49. | |
online voting, is a young people don't have to take a day of college | :49:50. | :49:56. | |
or work. That also is that this idea that somehow young people are | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
different to everyone else in the issues they care about, whether it's | :50:01. | :50:04. | |
the environment, global warming, the state of our food, the state of | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
globe you multinationals evading tax. The idea that young people | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
don't have a job to go to, that we just throw people out of school at | :50:15. | :50:17. | |
the end of the day to fend for themselves. These are issues that | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
are of real concern to everyone, above all young people. We need to | :50:22. | :50:25. | |
respect that by making sure that we also give them the right mechanics | :50:26. | :50:32. | |
allow them to use the voting system. Do you support mandatory voting? As | :50:33. | :50:36. | |
long as it was an option of none of the above. You would have to have | :50:37. | :50:40. | |
that for mandatory voting. I think Graham is absolutely right, that | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
young people care about a range of issues. Youth clubs, run by councils | :50:45. | :50:50. | |
have been cut up and down the country. By local councils. But also | :50:51. | :50:55. | |
when you say to local councils, why have you felt you need to do this, | :50:56. | :51:02. | |
they blame the Budget from central Government. It's a vulnerable young | :51:03. | :51:06. | |
people that suffer when these services go. It's shameful. There is | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
some hope. Almost 60,000 young people registered foot to vote. That | :51:13. | :51:18. | |
is phenomenal and there's still time to do that before this election. The | :51:19. | :51:21. | |
fact that some young people in Scotland can vote in some elections | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
but not in others, giving people the mandate, the franchise and then | :51:27. | :51:29. | |
taking it away from them, shameful again. Thank you very much. | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
It's the most marginal constituency in England. | :51:34. | :51:35. | |
Just a few dozen votes separated the Conservatives and Labour | :51:36. | :51:37. | |
in 2015 in Derby North, with the Tories coming out | :51:38. | :51:40. | |
Now the Labour candidate is back, convinced that a full-blooded | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
backing of Jeremy Corbyn's policies will win the seat. | :51:45. | :51:46. | |
Not even a general election gets in the way of | :51:47. | :52:04. | |
bingo at the Jubilee Club in Chadderton. | :52:05. | :52:06. | |
But what will the voters be focusing on when they decide who | :52:07. | :52:08. | |
It's only going to get worse, isn't it? | :52:09. | :52:17. | |
The NHS is stretched, schools are stretched, | :52:18. | :52:18. | |
Derby North is a tricky constituency to predict. | :52:19. | :52:30. | |
It's gone back and forth between the Conservatives and Labour. | :52:31. | :52:32. | |
Throughout the 1980s, it was held by the | :52:33. | :52:34. | |
And under Tony Blair, Labour won it back and clung on here until | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
At the last election, it was the only seat | :52:39. | :52:41. | |
in the East Midlands to change, swinging back to the | :52:42. | :52:44. | |
It's all about celebrating what is great in | :52:45. | :52:47. | |
the city of Derby, but also recognising what it is that we need | :52:48. | :52:50. | |
And two years just hasn't been enough. | :52:51. | :52:53. | |
I've been doing lots and lots of things, but I would just | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
like to have more time to do even more. | :52:58. | :52:59. | |
You would expect that, but there are other | :53:00. | :53:02. | |
things as well around education, mental health. | :53:03. | :53:03. | |
Very, very close to my heart and I'm just hoping to be | :53:04. | :53:06. | |
part of a Government that does so much for mental health. | :53:07. | :53:18. | |
So, what will happen this time around? | :53:19. | :53:20. | |
Well, it certainly won't be victory for | :53:21. | :53:22. | |
Instead choosing to support the Labour candidate, who they say | :53:23. | :53:26. | |
It's probably the best manifesto we've | :53:27. | :53:28. | |
As you look back at the 1970s, working-class people as I | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
was then as a 19-year-old bricklayer, I was earning enough | :53:33. | :53:35. | |
money to buy a brand-new three bedroomed house in a desirable | :53:36. | :53:37. | |
That's impossible in this day and age. | :53:38. | :53:48. | |
We've got people sleeping on the street, we've got | :53:49. | :53:51. | |
over 1 million people reliant on food banks, zero our contracts, | :53:52. | :53:53. | |
A Labour victory here would be a pathway to a Labour | :53:54. | :53:59. | |
Government which would transform the lives of people in this city. | :54:00. | :54:01. | |
Ukip say they need to be in Parliament so | :54:02. | :54:03. | |
We have got to be there to make sure we get | :54:04. | :54:10. | |
the right result in the | :54:11. | :54:11. | |
She's already changed her mind about when there was going | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
to be an election, she's already changed her mind about whether or | :54:16. | :54:18. | |
not going to increase national insurance contributions. | :54:19. | :54:19. | |
So, what's to stop her now changing her mind on | :54:20. | :54:22. | |
There are many people here who know how important | :54:23. | :54:25. | |
it is for businesses like Rolls-Royce, Bombardier, like | :54:26. | :54:27. | |
Toyota locally to have access into the single market. | :54:28. | :54:29. | |
People have to consider what is most important to | :54:30. | :54:31. | |
them and whether it's the NHS or whether it | :54:32. | :54:33. | |
is her relationship with | :54:34. | :54:34. | |
Europe or whether it's funding for education. | :54:35. | :54:36. | |
It's eyes down for the general election in this marginal | :54:37. | :54:40. | |
If history is anything to go by, whoever wins here can look | :54:41. | :54:43. | |
forward to a full house in Parliament. | :54:44. | :54:49. | |
We're joined by Sue Mallender from the Green Party. | :54:50. | :54:51. | |
Sue Mallender, it's interesting that in Derby North you're not | :54:52. | :54:53. | |
standing to boost the chances of the Labour candidate. | :54:54. | :54:55. | |
And in Mansfield you're stepping aside to let Labour hoover up | :54:56. | :54:58. | |
We think we are giving them the chance to have their say, but | :54:59. | :55:19. | |
unfortunately it is a green vote in those particular constituencies is | :55:20. | :55:23. | |
not going to be successful. There are obviously constituencies in the | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
country where a green vote will be more successful and what we would | :55:28. | :55:30. | |
like to see as those other parties cooperating with us so that they | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
stand down, because I understand we stood down in 22 different | :55:35. | :55:38. | |
constituencies over across the country. That is because we want to | :55:39. | :55:43. | |
give people a chance to vote for those policies, because we think it | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
is policies not personalities that are important in elections we know | :55:49. | :55:59. | |
that there is more sharing in the latest Labour manifesto. There are | :56:00. | :56:02. | |
things we feel are important. With fracking and other aspects of the | :56:03. | :56:06. | |
environment, although a green vote is the only one if you are concerned | :56:07. | :56:12. | |
that the environment. Would Labour it stands down in favour of the | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
Green candidate? What we are hearing is this noise that politics, | :56:18. | :56:23. | |
Parliament isn't fit for purpose and above all our electoral system isn't | :56:24. | :56:27. | |
fit for purpose. All of those nonconservative parties will have to | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
consider proper alliances very, very seriously. The way to do that is not | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
just moments before the general election, which incidentally, we | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
promise was fixed term and that was done away with by Theresa May. That | :56:41. | :56:48. | |
was to create a platform, an anti-conservative platform that | :56:49. | :56:51. | |
Labour, liberals, the Greens and others agreed to support each | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
other's that we get a majority. When you got the majority, only then are | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
you going to be able to change the electoral system to a fear one so | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
that we hear the voices of the Greens, we hear the voices of Ukip | :57:04. | :57:07. | |
and the Lib Dems properly and we form alliances then to not have a | :57:08. | :57:11. | |
winner takes all system which is bad for all. | :57:12. | :57:17. | |
Jessica Lee, Theresa May famously described the idea | :57:18. | :57:18. | |
of the anti-Conservative parties aligning as a | :57:19. | :57:20. | |
"coalition of chaos" but an alliance of all the opposition parties | :57:21. | :57:23. | |
manipulate voters are not giving manipulate voters are not giving | :57:24. | :57:30. | |
them toys like this. You were in an them toys like this. You were in an | :57:31. | :57:36. | |
alliance for five years. You were in an alliance with the Liberal | :57:37. | :57:42. | |
Democrats. No, that was not. If I could just finished. Knee-high days | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
of the Labour Government with Prime Minister Blair, I don't remember | :57:49. | :57:51. | |
then that Labour suggesting they have alliances. The British people | :57:52. | :57:53. | |
don't like being told what to do and don't like being told what to do and | :57:54. | :57:56. | |
the like choice. I think there's going to be quite a bit of | :57:57. | :57:59. | |
scepticism and disappointment by people that do support a little | :58:00. | :58:03. | |
parties if they're not given a choice. I think political parties | :58:04. | :58:07. | |
should field as many political parties as possible. I agree with | :58:08. | :58:16. | |
that. What we don't want is that. We were the opposite. Our party voted | :58:17. | :58:19. | |
at conference because all our policies are voted at conference by | :58:20. | :58:24. | |
the people who are members. The only reason we want form alliances is so | :58:25. | :58:30. | |
that we can then have another election on proportional | :58:31. | :58:32. | |
representation is about people's voices are actually heard, because | :58:33. | :58:37. | |
no people that vote, their voices are interred. 48% of people voted | :58:38. | :58:45. | |
against coming out of the European Union. Their voices are into being | :58:46. | :58:50. | |
handed the moment. Under the Coalition Government, there was a | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
referendum about changing our voting patterns and people don't want to do | :58:55. | :58:58. | |
that. I do think it's better to be consistent about this and I hope the | :58:59. | :59:02. | |
Conservative Party do remain consistent about this, which is to | :59:03. | :59:05. | |
give every constituency as many different political parties as | :59:06. | :59:08. | |
possible and give people choice instead of trying to manipulate | :59:09. | :59:13. | |
voters. Whether you win under any system, it's a good system. That is | :59:14. | :59:17. | |
needed. We all know there is a better way of doing our politics | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
than winner takes all and shouting at each other at Prime Minister's | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
Questions and having an all powerful Prime Minister who isn't directly | :59:27. | :59:31. | |
elected. They should Alexa locally and not have some sort of surrogate | :59:32. | :59:35. | |
for the Prime Minister. That way you have a strong Parliament that will | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
hold to account a properly elected Government. To get to that position | :59:40. | :59:42. | |
you have to do is the electoral position. You will not change under | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
the current system. That will require everybody getting together | :59:47. | :59:49. | |
and putting our country and our politics ahead of pure policies and | :59:50. | :59:56. | |
party games. Are you worried that green edges will not be heard in all | :59:57. | :59:59. | |
of this? We know that we have some of the worst air pollution in our | :00:00. | :00:02. | |
countries and fracking is looming on the horizon. Lots of applications | :00:03. | :00:05. | |
you in the East Midlands. Early stages. The vote on proportional | :00:06. | :00:12. | |
representation was not a vote on that. AV is not in anybody's | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
proportional representation which they have in virtually all other | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
countries in the world. Onto the green issues, people have been | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
talking a lot young people and certainly this is something that's | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
important for young people. We are the only party that believes that we | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
have one planet which is a centre in fact, where the other parties in to | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
think that we have three or four to live on and saw the environment is a | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
vital important fact. We need to have that discussed and sadly it is | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
not discussed very much in the selection. | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
That's the Sunday Politics in the East Midlands. | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
Thanks to all our guests, Jessica Lee, Graham Allen, | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
Tories are saying. It is a very emotive subject and we have run out | :00:52. | :00:59. | |
of time. On Thursday nominations closed | :01:00. | :01:06. | |
in the 650 parliamentary seats across the country, | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
so now we know exactly who's We've been analysing the parties' | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
candidates to find out what they might tell us | :01:14. | :01:20. | |
about the make-up of the House Well, we know Theresa May is | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
committed to delivering Brexit and analysis of Conservative | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
candidates has shown that in their top 100 target seats, | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
37 candidates supported leave during last year's referendum | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
campaign and 20 supported remain; 43 | :01:36. | :01:43. | |
have not made public In the last parliament, | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
the vast majority of Labour MPs were hostile to Jeremy Corbyn so how | :01:46. | :01:51. | |
supportive are Labour Well, of 50 of Labour's | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
top 100 target seats 17 candidates have expressed | :01:54. | :02:00. | |
support for Mr Corbyn. 20 candidates supported Owen Smith | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
in last year's leadership contest or have expressed | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
anti-Corbyn sentiment, and If they won those, | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
the Labour benches would be marginally more sympathetic | :02:12. | :02:17. | |
to Mr Corbyn than they are now. What do the figures tell us | :02:18. | :02:19. | |
about where the other Well, the Lib Dems have decided not | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
to stand against the Greens in Brighton Pavilion, | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
and are fielding 629 candidates this year - | :02:27. | :02:27. | |
that's two fewer than 2015. The number of Ukip candidates has | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
fallen dramatically. They are standing in 247 fewer | :02:31. | :02:34. | |
constituencies than 2015, throwing their support behind | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
solidly pro-Brexit Tories in some areas such as Lewes | :02:41. | :02:42. | |
and Norfolk North. The Greens are fielding | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
103 fewer candidates than at the last election, | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
standing down to help other progressive candidates | :02:51. | :03:01. | |
in some places. The most liking statistic is the | :03:02. | :03:15. | |
demise in Ukip candidates, is this their swansong? And I think so. It | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
is remarkable how few Ukip candidates are standing. It is hard | :03:22. | :03:28. | |
to see they will suddenly revive in the next couple of years. I think | :03:29. | :03:38. | |
this is probably the end. Frank Luntz mentioned the fragmentation of | :03:39. | :03:43. | |
the left was a feature of this election, but also there is the | :03:44. | :03:45. | |
consolidation of the right, and if you take the things together that | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
could explain why the polls are where they are. Absolutely, that's | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
precisely what happened at the start of the 1980s, the right was | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
incredibly united and that's when we started talking about majorities of | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
over 100 or so. No matter what the size of Theresa May's majority, it | :04:06. | :04:12. | |
will be the total collapse of Ukip, but not just because we are now | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
leaving the EU and that was their only reason for being, but a whole | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
lot of people voted for Ukip because they felt the Tories were no longer | :04:22. | :04:30. | |
listening. Theresa May has given the impression that she is listening, | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
and that is the biggest possible thing that could happen to the Tory | :04:34. | :04:42. | |
vote. Fragmentation of the left, consolidation of the right? It's one | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
of the lessons that is never learnt, it happened in the 1980s, it doesn't | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
take much for the whole thing to fracture so now you have on the | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
centre-left the SNP, the Labour Party, the Greens, the Liberal | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
Democrats all competing for the same votes and when you have, fleetingly | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
perhaps, large numbers coalescing on the right in one party, there is | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
only going to be one outcome. It happens regularly. It doesn't mean | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
the Tories haven't got their own fragility. Two years ago, David | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
Cameron and George Osborne the dominant figures, neither are in | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
Parliament now which is a symptom of the fragility this election is | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
disguising. Mrs May's position in a way reminds me of Mrs Thatcher in | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
the 1980s, I won't be outflanked on the right, Nicolas Sarkozy in | :05:36. | :05:40. | |
France, I won't be outflanked on the right, so the National Front didn't | :05:41. | :05:43. | |
get through either timed he ran to the second round on like this time, | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
and now Mrs May on Brexit won't be outflanked Iver and as a result has | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
seen off right flank. And also she is looking to the left as well with | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
some of the state interventions. What was interesting about the | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
analysis you showed a few minutes ago was the number of Tory | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
candidates who have apparently not declared which way they voted in the | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
referendum, and you would have thought if this election was all | :06:11. | :06:14. | |
about Brexit, as some would claim, that would become an unsustainable | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
position, and actually more it's about leadership. But the point that | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
I'm now hearing from a number of Labour candidates that they are | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
seeing Tory leaflets that don't even have the Tory candidate's name on | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
them, it is just about Theresa May. I am glad they are keeping to the | :06:36. | :06:39. | |
law because by law they have to put it on. It has been harder for some | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
of the smaller parties too because of the speed of the election being | :06:44. | :06:51. | |
called. We have the manifesto is coming out this week. I think Labour | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
Forshaw on Tuesday, we are not yet sure when the Tories will bring | :06:57. | :07:01. | |
bears out. I suggest one thing, it will at least for people like me | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
bring an end to the question you will have to wait for the manifesto. | :07:07. | :07:13. | |
And Rebecca Long baby will never have that excuse again, isn't it | :07:14. | :07:22. | |
wonderful! She is not the only one. When you are trying to take the | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
north and Midlands from Labour, I would go to one or the other. For | :07:27. | :07:32. | |
me, I can barely hold back my excitement over the Tory manifesto. | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
This will be, I think, the most important day for the British | :07:38. | :07:40. | |
government for the next five years. That wasn't irony there? You | :07:41. | :07:48. | |
actually meant that? I'm not even being cynical at all on Sunday | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
Politics! This is a huge day and it's because I think we will see... | :07:54. | :08:01. | |
I don't think Mrs May will play it safe and I don't think we will get | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
the broadbrush stuff that she might be advised to do. I think she will | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
lay out precisely what you want to do over the next five years and take | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
some big risks. Then finally after a year of this guessing and | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
theorising, we will finally work out what Mrs May is all about. She will | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
say she doesn't want the next parliament to be all about Brexit, | :08:24. | :08:26. | |
though she knows that's the next important thing she has to deliver | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
in some way, so she gets a mandate for that if the polls are right but | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
she does have very different ideas from | :08:33. | :08:46. | |
Mr Cameron about how to run a country. She will I assume one to | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
mandate for what these different ideas are. Otherwise there is no | :08:50. | :08:51. | |
point in holding an early election. You will get a majority, but if you | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
get a mandate to carry on implementing the Cameron and Osborne | :08:56. | :08:57. | |
manifesto it would be utterly pointless. I agree, it is the | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
pivotal event of the election and it will be interesting to see the | :09:02. | :09:04. | |
degree to which she expands on the line which interests me about its | :09:05. | :09:10. | |
time to look at the good that government can do. Because in a way | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
this moves the debate on in UK politics from, from 97 the Blair | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
Brown governments were insecure about arguing about the role of | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
government. Cameron Osborne government similarly so, so here you | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
have a Labour Party talking about the role of government and the | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
state, and Tory leader apparently doing so was well. I think that will | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
be really interesting to see whether it is fleshed out in any significant | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
way. And it is not a natural Tory message. Harold Macmillan talked | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
about the role of the state, Ted Heath Mark two was pretty big on the | :09:47. | :09:54. | |
state, the industrial policy and so on, and even if it is not thought to | :09:55. | :09:59. | |
be that Tory, does she get away with it because she deliver such a big | :10:00. | :10:03. | |
victory if that's what she does deliver? Just inject a little note | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
of scepticism, I wonder how much of this is authentically Theresa May. I | :10:10. | :10:16. | |
was interested to and talk to someone who used to sit in cabinet | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
meetings during which Theresa May never expressed an opinion on | :10:21. | :10:24. | |
anything outside the Home Office briefs. Other ministers were roving | :10:25. | :10:31. | |
all over their colleagues' briefs. So where are the ideas coming from? | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
I think we can point to Nick Timothy. One of her closest advisers | :10:38. | :10:43. | |
in Downing Street. It will be interesting to see how that evolves. | :10:44. | :10:50. | |
On Thursday I think we will all be talking about something called | :10:51. | :11:01. | |
Urdington Toryism. Urdington is the suburb of Birmingham where Nick | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
Timothy comes from, who is very much Theresa May's policy brain and | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
leading inspiration. Urdington Toryism is about connecting the | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
party with traditional working class voters, and their belief to do that | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
is not just taking away government out of their lives but showing them | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
that government can actually help their lives. It can be a force for | :11:25. | :11:32. | |
good to rebuild the trust. A lot of what Mrs May talks about is all... | :11:33. | :11:39. | |
It is talk and then a lot of it suddenly goes by the wayside. What | :11:40. | :11:47. | |
happened to worker directors on the boards. It is designed to appeal to | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
that constituency and then nothing happens. She had an excuse before in | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
the sense that it wasn't in the 2015 manifesto and she had a small | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
majority so therefore she arguably had to water down some of the stuff | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
for example in her Tory conference speech, which had a lot of this | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
active government material in it. If she puts it in the manifesto, it is | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
a sign she plans to do it and will have no excuse if she then gets | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
nervous afterwards because it will be in there. If it wasn't for | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
Brexit, this great overwhelming issue, I think this election will be | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
seen as quite a significant development in terms of an argument | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
around the role of government, much-needed. But Brexit | :12:33. | :12:37. | |
unfortunately overshadows it all. As much as we like our arguments over | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
the role of government we will hear strong and stable, stable and strong | :12:42. | :12:49. | |
ad nauseam, aren't we? Absolutely, and we heard the same old lines from | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
the Labour Party as well so they are all at it. It will be a fascinating | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
week, stop talking it down! Thanks to our panel. | :13:01. | :13:03. | |
The Daily Politics will be back on BBC Two at noon | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
I'll be back here at the same time on BBC One next Sunday. | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
Remember - if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :13:11. | :13:14. |