22/04/2012 Sunday Politics East


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A in in East, while the Prime Minister lost his patience with one

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of our MPs, the government will look to more Turbo and like these

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1437 seconds

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Why would you point a finger in men accused a to way. Asking how to

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inflate our homes better. We want a green deal, we want to spend less

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rather than more on energy bills. It is a big issue, an important one.

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You signed off on this in a committee, then in public your

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party moves away from it. We did not sign off, you are making

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comments on the internal mechanisms. We decided at the National Security

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Committee that there was a dilemma, there is an issue that people are

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making telephone calls to each other using new means of doing so

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which did not exist in the past. They are not captured by current

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statutory powers which the police can use. What none of us have

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decided on because we have not seen it, it has not been discussed

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collectively is how subject to proper parliamentary scrutiny it is.

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How do you make sure, absolutely, a point I made at the time in public

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and in private that we don't infringe on basic civil liberties.

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It is getting the balance right, it is painstaking and has not been

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completed yet. Why are you putting up so few candidates in local

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elections. We are putting up fewer, we lost a lot of councillors last

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year, we took a real thumping last year which is normal, parties do

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this with the ebb and flow of their fortunes. We are focusing our

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candidates on the areas where we are strong and campaign well. Where

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we deliver for local communities. Michael Brown, your party's

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biggest-ever donor, is being extradited from the Caribbean back

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to this country. He gave your party to 0.4 billion -- million pounds.

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You have no legal obligation to give this back but don't you have a

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moral obligation? I am very pleased he is coming back to serve his

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sentence, a convicted fraudster. This happened before I was even an

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MP, let alone leader of the Liberal Democrats, and what I have been

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told is that the electoral commission looked at this

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exhaustively as far as the receipt of that money by the Liberal

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Democrats from one of his companies. They concluded that the money was

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received in good faith and all of the cheques which should have been

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made were made by the Liberal- Democrat at the time. If we had

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been shown wanting on those counts then of course we should pay the

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money back. I accept that you did not know, but you were in receipt

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of stolen goods. Don't you have a moral necessity to hand that back.

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I am just talking about the principle. The principle is, if you

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were to receive money from someone and you did so on false pretences,

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knowingly, and you did not conduct the right checks then you should

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pay it back. The Electoral Commission shows that in those

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cases which take place, as it did before I entered Parliament, that

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was not the case had been Liberal- Democrats and they were exonerated.

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There are stories in the rounds at Westminster that he will stand down

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at the next election. Can I give you the opportunity to scotch those

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rumours today, to say you will fight the 2015 Liberal-Democrat

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leader. You bet. If Parliament results in another hung parliament,

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are you up for being a different Deputy Prime Minister in another

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coalition? I will say to what I said months ago, I don't think how

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Coalition's are formed should be the plaything of any politicians.

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It should be based on the instruction of the British people.

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At the last election there was only one possible combinations so what

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we did was quite it if we followed, the mandate. That is what we should

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do in the future. Deputy Prime Minister, thank you for being with

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us on this marathon day. It is approaching 2:30pm. Coming up in 20

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minutes, I will be looking at the week ahead with our political panel.

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Until then, the Sunday politics across the UK.

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Hello and welcome to Sunday politics in the east. Coming up,

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what is the future for onshore wind? The government pulls back on

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a new wind farm development as pressure grows inside and outside

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parliament. First, let's introduce our guest, the Conservative MP

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joins us, and the Labour MP for Luton South. Kicking off with the

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proposals for the House of Lords, a second elected chamber. M P Patel,

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I assume you are not keen on these proposals? His early days, they

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will give their own findings, I have concerns. I don't think it

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will be scrapped the House of Lords and start again. There is a serious

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constitutional role for it to play. I think we have to look at

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proposals and look at the feasibility of some of the changes

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which will be proposed. I am not for wholesale root-and-branch

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reform. Under Labour they talked a lot about reform, his is the way

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forward? We had that at the start of our administration. I hope this

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will be successful. It is a big fault line in the coalition.

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Although I want to see them an elected, I want to see how the

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government will play this out. Moving on to another big talking

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point this week, we are still talking about the Budget because it

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is still causing controversy. This week with the Finance Bill having a

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rocky ride through Parliament. The six MPs rebelled against measures

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for taxes on pasty is, caravans and historic buildings like churches.

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The MP for Clacton received a public put down from David Cameron.

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The pensioners, motorists and pasty makers of will condemn the budget

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and now the church is joining in. Angry at plans to charge VAT on

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repairs to historic buildings. point is that these places are for

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the community. They are not profit organisations making money for

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other people. They are here for the community. The Universities

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Minister opened a new college in Harlow, but was told by the head of

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Anglia Ruskin how angry universities are to cap charity

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giving. Others furious that VAT will be charged on the sale of

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static caravans. A millionaire can own a holiday home, bricks-and-

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mortar, anywhere in the country and he does not pay 20 per cent VAT.

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Some of these issues have been forced by civil servants, one of

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already unhappily with the taxes was very publicly slapped down.

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There are a few occasions when I think the Honourable Gentleman need

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a bit of a sense of humour. He told me to get a sense of humour but the

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people I represent in Clacton are not laughing about the budget or

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the massive increase in VAT of caravans. They are not laughing

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about the past the tax or the lack of economic growth. I can do humour

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when I need to, but I don't think people voted for me because they

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wanted me to be a comedian. To this Budget has left many

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feeling uneasy and they must now hope for divine intervention to end

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this stream of bad publicity. has been a public relations

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disaster has it not? David Cameron says we have got a year to talk

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about it. A year to consult. Why has it not been consulted on before

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it reached the Budget? Are I come to this from a different

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perspective. Most but is that I can remember, they have always been

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taught about long after it has been given. There are lots of

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technicalities around budgets. Gavin will recall back in the

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Labour days we had a 10 p tax issue which went on and on and on. An

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increase in the state pension to. We talk about being Wendy but it is

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announced, you talk about them for weeks afterwards. There is a couple

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of points here, one is about fairness and won his invocation of

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the tax system. We have discovered that they have been far too many

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anomalies in the tax system, hence the reason, where the past days of

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caravans, and why the government has looked at the tax rates around

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these issues and said they would simplify them. The government is

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being sensible, Gavin? They have to be saving somewhere. We did oppose

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the measures in the Budget, I think they are deeply unfair. Many of the

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people in the film that talked about the ways it will affect their

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business. The key issue we should be talking about his growth.

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Instead we have spent four week's talking about them. In our budgets

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over the 13 years, there was the 10 p tax for example, but my fear is

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that this whole budget will be looked at at like that in the

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future. I thought the response from the Prime Minister was a bit of a

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shame there, actually, hopefully, there should be a fulsome response

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to the question asked. I think it also says something about the

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relationship between the decision makers and the backbench MPs.

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me put that to Gavin shook her. The residue between leader and party,

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no surprises? Any party has this disconnects. I don't believe we

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have it now, I think we are very united, but it is true there is a

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problem there. David Cameron made to work really hard at keeping

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those guys on board. They are coming into a difficult period

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right now. We are moving on now to the growing opposition to onshore

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wind farms. The government has pledged to call a halt to new

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projects and that is before it announces a fresh cup. Amid growing

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concern among them MPs, the government claimed the targets will

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be met. The industry disagrees. Across the East Northamptonshire

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tops the table. In all there is a total of 216 large wind turbine

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soon to be built across the region with another 87 in the pipeline.

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The government seems to agree that that is where it should end. This

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village in of Northampton share has a small community with just 70

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people, not in a big battle over seven turbines. There are plenty of

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other places besides this. They are all around us as it is. They have

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got to leave us somewhere, surely? We need an oasis amongst it all,

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they should leave us alone. turbines would be seven times the

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height of the tower of the 7th century church, and it is the

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potential threat which feels local fury. There is a feeling of

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helplessness which then becomes frustration, and it turns to anger.

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You find yourself getting highly motivated to try and defend what

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you have got. This is where the decision will be made, not by the

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planning committee of the district council but by a single planning

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inspector. They say the council fell to determine the application

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and the time about, so it is down to a planning inquiry to make the

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ruling. There are already very stringent guidelines about way you

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can cite wind farms, it has to be done through a local democratic

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process. You have to carry out a local assessment, which needs to be

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very stringent. The king at the effect in the area, only then can

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you get the project through. energy suppliers say they have a

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history of fairness and say it is appropriate. They said one is not

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going to blink and miss the structures, but the National

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process is clear. Even if the impact are probably to be viewed as

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adverse, that in itself is not a reason for refusal. Could that

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overall policy be about to shift with many MPs arguing that these

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need to be cut substantially and there are already enough project up

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and running or in the pipeline. have a target of 13 gigawatt of

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onshore wind for 2020. We have got six through the planning gate

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already and seven going through now. We will hit out 2020 target later

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this year, probably. That proves to me the number is way too high.

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not clear we have hit the targets, a number of proposals are at

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planning stage and now they are saying that because they are

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uncertain about the commitment to wind they are pulling back to see

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what happens. It is not clear the targets have been met, but we have

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to look at the whole mix of energy that we need. We expect to need

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more and more power, if we don't get it from offshore wind that

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means we are probably going to be more and more reliant on imports of

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fossil fuels from other countries. Bad for the environment but also

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more expensive. At Bradwell on see there is more

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plans under way, and the firm behind it says they are working

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closely with local people and councils. Campaigners say they are

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looking to halt the project by seeking a judicial review claiming

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the structures could put protected areas at risk. They believe that

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onshore wind has had its day. political pressure for onshore wind

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has now gone. There will probably be a number of small light

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industrial ones as we have seen on some local farms but the big

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developments, such as this one, will probably no longer happen.

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is heartbreaking really, we did design the property to take into

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consideration all of the views, and everything else which goes with it

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in the area. Then we find that they will be taken away. We hope it has

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a not come too late for us. We still believe we will win the

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judicial review and on that basis they will not be built here. 130

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miles away they to believe they will prevail, confident that this

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is a David and Goliath battle that they can win. I am joined by Adrian

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Ramsey, the former Norwich councillor, now deputy leader of

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the Green Party. Do you have any sympathy at all with the people in

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that report? Of course I have sympathy and there you should be

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taken into account in the discussions around planning

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applications, but a recent poll from the Sunday Times show that

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more than 50 per cent of people surveyed want to see more wind. We

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could have more supportive we saw a more consistent community at

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ownership. I want to see community ownership of wind turbines to come

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up more frequently, as we are seeing in some parts of this region

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already, I think there will be more public support. We have been told

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the industry should brace itself to a large cuts of more than 10 per

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cent. What do you think that would do to the industry. I am really

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concerned about the effect it would have on the industry. We could be

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creating thousands of jobs if they have the confidence that there

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would be orders placed. Investors say it will create 2000 jobs in

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Kent soon if there is a possibility for a plant there. We are way

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behind other countries with other renewable energy is, whether it is

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wind, wave or solar panel power. We should be tackling climate change

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and we have to remember that fossil fuels and nuclear power has huge

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subsidies which does not get attention. You mentioned and energy

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mix and if we keep with that, we have gas and nuclear energy, do we

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really need in this country any more onshore wind? Onshore wind

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must be part of the solution and we need to make sure that people's

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views are taken into account on this. We need to look at the

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effectiveness of a particular site but we do need more onshore wind.

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There would be more supportive it was community based projects, and

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we need to reduce the amount of energy that we rely on. If we

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insulate people's homes and tried to look at the local issues we

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could reduce our energy demand that way. The let me bring in the other

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two guests. Labour subsidies were so high that they effectively

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skewed the market, didn't they? Some may say it led to the market

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being overly aggressive. I think it kicks started a market here. If

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what is being said is right in the that, it shows that we were quite

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foresight full in moving the situation forward. The real problem

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here is that the government is running up against its own rhetoric.

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It promised localism for local communities and yet the realities

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are that they are being put in places where people don't want them.

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It is interesting, I agree with Gavin on the point about kick-

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starting the renewables agenda in this country. We need that energy.

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I am in favour of having local people have the saved. What we saw

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in that package, in Essex, for example, local residents fearing

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that their views were completely ignored and overridden by the

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Planning Inspectorate. That is wrong and I would like to think

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that the Government's powers in regards to localism, going forward,

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would make sure that residents have the saved. You are here being the

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vote bluecoat green government, how has their record been so far?

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Disastrous, they have slashed the support for solar-powered, they are

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failing to take the action that we need to supply energy for the

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future to localise our economy. We are far too reliant on imported oil

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and gas. Part of the issue is about investing in all types of renewable

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energy, whether it is wind, solar all way. What about in energy mix,

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Gavin? We are the ones who first foresaw we were coming up to an

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energy crunch around 2020 or 2025. We need all kinds of energy. It is

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all very well for the Greens to say we must press on regardless but

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local people must be heard. It would be against my wishes to

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defend this government but to take away the structures to plan

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effectively, across city areas, it becomes much harder. The government

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has got itself into a real mess, is it about localism or the Green

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economy? The the 2020 tariff, are we going to make it? Everything at

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the moment looks pretty good for getting the right energy mix by

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2020. Absolutely. We are there to meet targets. The government has

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been very clear. Energy mixes key but we should not forget that it is

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hard pressed tax payers out there who are paying for higher bills and

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having to subsidise renewables. It is important that this government

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looks at this again. Briefly, a trim, what is your response to the

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government running back on this proposal? -- Adrian. We need to

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support renewables in general, with offshore wind and onshore. With

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onshore wind we need to make sure the proposals are appropriate. If

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we can promote more community renewable projects there will be

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more support at a local level. I'm not saying that every site is

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appropriate but there would be more support if it was community based.

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Thank you. You two stay here, it is time for the weekly political

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round-up. Watch out for the Dragon, here it comes in 60 seconds.

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Peter Bone up to his old tricks this week asking the education

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department to relocate to Wellingborough. Daily you would get

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the advice of Mrs Bone, they cannot be a better opportunity, surely?

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All I can say is that Northamptonshire has many

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attractions, chief amongst them is Mrs Bone. How to achieve an

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attractive High Street was the mission of a Dragon who believes

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the government could do more. must say there is a lot of lip

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service and very little substance. A view shared by one the Labour MP

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who took the Prime Minister to task about the granite tax. Does the

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Prime Minister to think that this granny tax is teaching pensioners

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with a respect? It was the Right Honourable Member for chums that he

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was asked to show a little respect in a rebuke from the Speaker.

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quiet Mr Burns, it would be better for your health. You are the

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Minister for Health. Well, there we go. Let me pick up on that point

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about our high streets. We seek hour Dragon are not happy about it,

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very little substance. I disagree, I met Mary he because we put in a

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bit to be part of the pilot. I have a very motivated community and they

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have been very inspired by this. I have been delighted to see them

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come together and worked together to look at the benefit of our town

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centres. Under Labour it was spend, spend, spend. As a result are we

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going to see the High Street get smaller? I think the real problem

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is not that the review would work, it is the economy. And this we see

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some real action on growth this year in the economy, it does not

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matter how many reviews you do you will be in a really difficult

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position. The High Street is here to stay? Yes, absolutely. Luton has

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a pride in one which you will have to visit. That is all for now. You

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