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countdown to the county council elections - a referendum on the


government. Or is a single local issue so controversial it could


Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2292 seconds


of Sunday Politics. I'm Amelia Reynolds. Coming up: With less than


a week to the local elections, could a single issue de-rail an entire


council campaign? We'll be looking at the political


battlegrounds across the region, and what about this campaign's dark


horse - UKIP? A former insider voices concern. The policy. The lack


of policy, the lack of detailed policies I think is a huge weakness.


Let us meet our guests. Gavin Shuker is the Labour MP. Jonathan


Djanogly, the Conservative MP for Huntingdon. The most important story


is that of the triple-dip recession or not triple-dip recession. The


interesting moment for you Gavin. You must be pleased that your


constituency is seeing growth, but I bet you were looking forward to some


political point scoring that that trouble that recession would have


brought? That would have been the worst case scenario for my


constituents. And across the East. The situation we have is not much


better. Growth is flat over six months and there has been little


increase since this government came to power. We need real action for


growth. 0.3% is not a lot to shout about. Not a lot, but we are in a


tough environment. We are not in recession. The rest of Europe is. If


you look at the announcement this week in Spain with 27%


unemployment, France at 11%. We are doing relatively well. We have


treated a lot of new pirate sector jobs. If you look at this specific


region be adding particularly well with our exports and our businesses


are thriving. Not every Tory MP is impressed. The Northampton South MP,


Brian Binley, wrote an article in the Telegraph this week in which he


said the Chancellor has done little for small businesses and that the


government could have done more to spur on the housing market. He said


it was time for the Chancellor to be really bold. Jonathan, George


Osborne is being too timid. Is that a fair criticism? We are in tough


times and yes, more could be done. But this government has done a lot


to reform things and especially providing capital to companies. We


have cut a lot of regulation. I want to see more done. We are seeing more


growth, Gavin, the government 's strategy is working. We should stick


with that then? When you have the IMF saying that the government must


change course, George Osborne should listen to this. Really bold action


is required. What I do not believe is that we cannot be making bold


action to make more deep cuts. We must help people with their living


standards. When people go to the polls on Thursday, will it be the


state of the economy that influences how they vote will it be local


issues. In every county the continuing squeeze on council


finances means there is a serious debate about what we can afford and


what we cannot afford. And then they are the really local issues. In


Norfolk, the Tories have a comfortable majority of 34%, we head


of the Liberal Democrats, Greens and labour. You would expect the outcome


of this year 's election to be predictable. There is one local


issue that could bring the Conservatives down. Here is Andrew


Sinclair. The outcome of the election in


Norfolk probably will not be determined by a council cuts,


austerity or the poor state of the County 's schools at by a piece of


wasteland on the outskirts of King's Lynn. Plans for an incinerator here


is set Conservative against conservative and angered the locals.


It is a huge issue for me. Everyone is being completely ignored. There


is no evidence of what an incinerator will do here. Why do


they not have it in Norwich where the big population is instead of


bringing it over here? Why do people feel strongly about this? We do not


want it, it is being forced on us. There has not been such a divisive


issue in Norfolk for a long time. 93% of locals voted against the


plans in a referendum which the County Council refused to accepts.


And the rest of the county where the Tories have many seats, this is the


only issue in these local elections. The incinerator will cost nearly


�600 million. That is approaching �750 for every person who lives in


Norfolk. A huge sum of money to pay for something that is too large and


frankly out of date. It should have gone to a planning inquiry in the


first place. We think this was a wrong deal, the wrong company and


the wrong side. The Saddlebow Incinerator was the idea of the


Tories. Yes, it would be expensive, but it would stop tonnes of waste


going to landfill. The council leader who championed it, Derrick


Murphy, was forced to resign but his successor is behind the scheme.


is difficult when you are involved in a project that does not have


universal appeal, but we do have to remember that it will deliver


savings of over �150,000 each week, which given the financial climate we


find ourselves in, that is absolutely crucial to how we protect


services in Norfolk. This incinerator at Teesside has been


operating for 40 years with little public outcry, but with King's Lynn,


the problem has been more than a debate about the Iranian -- rights


and wrongs. There has been a feeling of secrecy and councillors have felt


left out of the decision-making process. The contract with the


developers has never been made fully public. The Greens say it is


indicative of how the council is run. There are people there who


voted in the referendum against the incinerator and they are still


pressing ahead with those issues. They should state that smack they


should take stock of the local people's opinions. While you can see


if locals do not want it, why cannot invest in other forms of waste


disposal? One needs to invest a portion of the money, not all of it,


and to recycling, and to bio digesters and all the other


technical operations. One does not need to burn everything. With all


the opposition parties opposed to the incinerator and several other


anti-incinerator candidate standing, known as too sure what


will happen to the vote in north-west Norfolk. If the


Conservatives lose enough seats, it could take the council to know


overall control. The incinerator is now in the hands of a public


inquiry. The Tories privately admit that on reflection this issue could


have been handled much better, but the damage may have already been


done. Joining us from our Norwich to do is


Simon Wright, the Liberal Democrat MP for Norwich South. How big a deal


as this incinerator owing to play in the Norfolk campaign? It is an


enormously important issue. It is important for the residents of West


North but also been -- all of the county, the reason being, it shows


the Conservative County Council is being divided and out of touch with


their people. A referendum showed that 90% of people were against that


incinerator. If you are in favour of localism, as the Lib Dems are, that


sends a very clear signal. cannot have localism without


nimbyism it seems. I do not agree. Localism is about consultation and


speaking and engaging with the residents. If necessary, building a


consensus around the proposal. In the County Council 's case they have


failed to do that and it shows the Conservatives as arrogant and out of


touch. You will never get consensus for an incinerator and if no one


took big and difficult decisions, nothing controversial would ever get


built. I am not in favour of incinerators in general, they are a


bad way of dealing with our waste. We must look at other of --


options. A special those with zero emissions. Other parts of the


country are doing this and you must hear in mind that waste technology


is one of the fastest developing areas of technology and we can get


benefits by looking at other forms of dealing with this waste.


Jonathan, there are always sticking points in every constituency. The


Conservatives, with their localism agenda, what seems to be happening


is that they are promising things but not delivering stop that is the


nature of localism. Decisions will be moved down... So it does not


work? Well, in my constituency it would be wind turbines. Six large


applications came in and they have been in areas that the local


residents do not want them to be. I have been supporting my constituents


but the district council supports them and then it goes to an inquiry


outwith the area which overturns the refusal. Localism seems to be going


back up the line and that needs to look at. Gavin, what did you think?


Simon and Jonathan are talking like commentators. They are in


government. This was a problem made by the government. They promised


localism but did not acknowledge the fact that sometimes big decisions


need to be taken in the national interest. I am not good to see there


is not a role for energy from waste but it feels that this community


believes their future is going to be blighted by this incinerator and the


local council must take an interest. The Labour Party is about top-down


targets. That was not popular either. By the end of our time in


government we reached a good place. We said was a need for big


infrastructure but we ensured planning permission to make sure it


went ahead in the correctly says. You could end up with incinerators


six miles apart with this government 's strategy. Jonathan, we have


Conservatives fighting Conservatives, never comfortable,


especially in the run-up to a local election. We do not do that in


Cambridgeshire, of course! The serious point is that hand in hand


with localism, you need higher levels of consultation and an early


engagement. Perhaps more like what they were used to in the past. Local


people get these projects thrown onto them sometimes and that is when


they get upset. We must engage with them at a much earlier level.


just a few days until people go to the polls. How do you think this


will play out? I am feeling very positive about our chances. We have


candidates united in the belief that we need to do more for a stronger


economy and a fair society. What about the incinerator and the impact


on Conservatives? The incinerator goes against that principle. It


locks the council into a 25 year deal when they do not know the


long-term economic consequences of it and it is not building a fairer


society when you impose something that is opposed by many people.


Thank you. More from all of you in just one moment.


That is Norfolk. In previous weeks we have looked at the picture in


Essex and Northamptonshire, so how is the rest of the region shaping


up? In Cambridgeshire, the Conservatives are not as solid as


they are in the more easterly counties of the region and this is


the only county in the east that is of real concern that smack real


conservative Lib Dem battleground. The Lib Dems are confident of


gaining seats. It is harder for Labour to gain even foothold here


since Peter brass plaque off of this region. At the two have higher


hopes. Southwark is a Tory stronghold but the Lib Dems are


choosing those Conservative seats, hoping to strengthen their position.


Although the Labour Party only has four seats, they are confident of


big games this time. Ipswich is their big target followed by


Waverley. Hertfordshire is also a county that has been governed mostly


by the Tories. Nevertheless, Labour has had massive support and was only


overtaken by the Lib Dems in 2009. All three parties are contesting a


number of marginal seats. We will be particularly interested in looking


at these elections because they are the first stand-alone ones for 20


years. Upon those will probably be lower. There is the Lib Dem vote to


consider that while at return or continue to desert them? The


biggest? Hangs over the growing support for how UKIP will play out


in debt East. There is the suggesting they have more support


here than anywhere else in the country. David Campbell Bannerman,


the former deputy leader of UKIP, talks to us.


One of the reasons I left UKIP was because I do not feel that smack now


be at it is heading. It does pick up votes and I do not knock it. I agree


with its position to leave the European Union but it has no plans


to leave the EU. It is years away from being considered as a series


government party. You build up clusters of this yet County Council


seats and you build up areas of concentration and if you own county


seats inside a parliamentary constituency, the perception


changes. It goes from people liking you and then believing that you can


actually win. I make no bones about it, the 2nd of May in East Anglia is


very important for UKIP. Johnson, how big a threat is UKIP to


the Tories? The battleground in Cambridgeshire is basically between


the Conservatives and the Lib Dems. The story is the implosion of the


Lib Dems. Where is their vote going to go? We are seeing a lot of the


Lib Dem vote go to UKIP. That may seem bizarre, considering the


European stance, but actually, it is a protest vote. The Lib Dems as a


protest for and they are going to UKIP. We will see an increase in the


UKIP vote, but I do not see them making many games. Simon Wright, let


me bring you in. The Johnson has said it is not looking good for you


in Cambridge. Or Cambridgeshire, rather. Certainly in the canvassing


I have been doing in Norfolk, I have been not knocking the doors in


Cambridgeshire, but I have not been getting any sense that UKIP are


getting more support of the back of the Lib Dems. We have seen a trend


where UKIP have done better than other things. There have been


individual elections that you can point to, but when you look at the


set of by-elections that took place over 2012 and this year, the Lib


ends have been net gainers in those by-elections and we held on to the


Eastleigh by-election in what were the most pressing circumstances for


my party. We can be upbeat about our chances in this election where we


have candidates that have been working in their communities and


dealing with the issues that people have been raising with them. The


problem UKIP will have is that, yes, they can talk about Europe and


immigration, but on the issues that are happening on people 's play


match streets and neighbourhoods. That they have very little to say.


Their message seems to resonate with old Labour supporters. UKIP 's


message can resonate with many different supporters, not least


those who voted Lib Dems previously. What I would say is that they are


going to have to do incredibly well in this set of elections to meet


their own expectations. They seem very bullish, but I would say you


need a proper party of government if you want change pushed through.


There is no evidence that UKIP are able to deliver on that. This is the


first time that many people go to the polls to vote for UKIP


candidates. It is the first time for 20 years that these County Council


elections have ran without being run alongside national or European


elections. What effect will that have on turnout? In terms of vision,


UKIP is going on to the doorstep is talking about Romanian and Bulgarian


elements and whether we should be in Europe. If you are concerned about


controlling immigration or if you want in and out referendum, you vote


Conservative. More specifically, what we are trying to do is put a


positive message on the doorstep, that if you want the best cycle


routes in England. If you want to have an A14 that is going to be the


main strategic route for our region, you vote Conservative. Good points,


but you stand to lose lots of seats this time around. I do not believe


so. They are in mind in 2009, that was a high watermark. You will seem


some natural change. Gavin, Labour must do very well. You are coming


from such a low base. You saw the make up of those particular


councils. We probably will not do as well as we did last time but we must


get the support for 2015. I think the Labour Party will do well. We


have some great candidates. Simon Wright, these local elections are


very important for parties' Ralph. Do you think the morale of the Lib


Dems is good to take another battering? No, I do not. I think the


morale of our party is reflected by the activity on the streets. I have


been out with candidates in Norfolk who were knocking on doors and


putting out leaflets and speaking to voters, getting good feedback from


the results of their positive activity. They are building teams


around them who are strong advocates for their communities. The Lib Dems


are in a good mood and it comes off of the back of a positive local


by-election result and we have also had defections to the Lib Dems from


Conservatives in recent months. Those sort of moves actually helped


to lift the party and put us in good spirits and we have a spring in our


step coming towards these elections. What a very optimistic mood from all


of you! Thank you all for joining This week's political round-up now.


One of our MPs once the referendum on Europe sooner rather than later.


When is a bedroom not a bedroom? When it is reclassified as the


study, this avoiding the so-called bed and tax. And more money this


week for extra ambulances and extra staff, but MPs still need convincing


that the service will improve. know there have been issues over


time in the East of England. It shows you why you need to get these


decisions correct in the first place and we should not have to be


correcting a problem that was made before. Concerns in Corby over the


breakup of the Union cropped up in Scottish Questions this week.


is a great example of the British family of nations and we should


celebrate it. I would urge its constituents to tell their friends


and families in Scotland to vote no in the referendum.


The Southend MP reveals why it never of his family wants no delay on the


Europe referendum. My mother will be 101 next Thursday! She wondered if


the referendum could be brought forward.


Gavin, you are cropping up all over the place on this programme! Should


the EU referendum be brought forward, not just to oblige David a


mess mother, but for the benefit of others? You cannot set AD -- you


cannot set AD sometime in the future or bring it forward now. Do we need


one? I do not believe so. Jonathan, should we bring it forward? We do


need a referendum and David Cameron -- David Cameron his pop -- has


promised one in the next Parliament. I would like to see one brought


forward to this Parliament. I think that would weaken out the Labour and


Lib Dem opposition and state clearly who is going to deliver it. Do your


constituents bring it up on the doorstep? This issue? Not to the


extent that UKIP do! Yes, it is an issue. People are more concerned


about the nature of the economy, jobs, employment, living standards.


These are related to our relationship with Europe. We should


not be undermining that relationship. We can talk about it


in the future but at the moment these guys need to get the country


moving. They should focus on that. Let us finish on the economy.


Jonathan, what should we do? We stay with the plan. We must change


course, everyone is saying it and there is a reason for that. We need


growth. Thank you both for joining me. That is all for now. You can


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