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Morning folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics. | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
Theresa May says she wants to help people who are | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
"just about managing" - so should she reverse | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
George Osborne's cuts to benefits that are supposed to help people | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
Prominent London Imam Shakeel Begg is an extremist speaker, | :00:47. | :00:53. | |
says the High Court, after claims made on this programme. | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
So why is Mr Begg still being allowed to advise the Police? | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
Hillary Clinton fights back over the FBI's renewed investigation | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
into her use of a private email server - is this the boost | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
Shoring up our coastline. chances of winning the White House? | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
A pioneering scheme to save a giant gas plant | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
Now it is just a question of building that runway with the | :01:17. | :01:24. | |
political problems that lie ahead. And haunting the studio | :01:25. | :01:31. | |
on this Halloween weekend, the most terrifying political | :01:32. | :01:33. | |
panel in the business - Tim 'Ghost' Shipman, | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
'Eerie' Isabel Oakeshott and First this morning, two | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
new models of car to be built, securing 7,000 jobs at the car plant | :01:39. | :01:47. | |
in Sunderland and a further 28, 00 The news from Nissan on Thursday | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
was seized on by Leave campaigners as evidence that the British | :01:51. | :01:57. | |
economy is in rude health This morning, the Business | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
Secretary, Greg Clark, was asked what assurances were given | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
to the Japanese firm's bosses Well, it's in no-one's the interest | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
for there to be tariff barriers to the continent | :02:07. | :02:13. | |
and vice versa. So, what I said is that our | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
objective would be to ensure that we have continued access to the markets | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
in Europe and vice versa, without tariffs and without | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
bureaucratic impediments. That is how we will approach | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
those negotiations. We're joined now from Newcastle | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
by the Shadow Business Welcome to the programme. Labour has | :02:35. | :02:48. | |
been a bit sceptical about this Nissan decision. Can we begin by | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
making it clear just what a great achievement this is, above all for | :02:53. | :02:57. | |
the workers of Sunderland who have some of the highest productivity in | :02:58. | :03:02. | |
the world, have never been on strike for 30 years, and produce cars of | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
incredible quality. This is their victory, isn't it? Andrew, you are | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
absolutely right. The Nissan plant in Sunderland is among the most | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
productive in the world. The workers of Nissan are amongst the most | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
productive as well. And it's really a victory for them and for the trade | :03:21. | :03:27. | |
unions and the business organisations, and everybody who | :03:28. | :03:29. | |
campaigned to make sure that the government couldn't ignore their | :03:30. | :03:36. | |
future. It's our future. I'm the MP for Newcastle. It makes a huge | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
difference to the region. We are a region that still likes to make | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
things that work. It is a huge part of our advanced manufacturing | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
sector. So it's really something we welcome as well as the job security. | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
I'm glad we have got that on the record from the Labour shadow | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
business secretary. But your Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, claims | :04:00. | :04:02. | |
the government is ignoring manufacturers and cares only about a | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
small banking elite. In what way is safeguarding 30,000 industrial jobs | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
in the North safeguarding a financial elite? As I said, we're | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
really pleased that the campaigning by trade unions and the workforce, | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
and business organisations, meant the government felt they couldn t | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
ignore Nissan workers. Let's also be clear that we want that kind of job | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
security for all of those working in manufacturing and in other sectors | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
as well. And sweetheart deals for one company, no matter how important | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
they are, that does not an industrial strategy make. Why'd you | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
say it is a sweetheart deal? Greg Clark told the BBC this morning that | :04:44. | :04:49. | |
what was assured to Nissan is an assurance he gives to the whole | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
industrial sector? I was really pleased to see Greg Clark felt he | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
had to say something, even though it's sad that we having our | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
industrial strategy, you like, or our approach to Brexit delivered | :05:05. | :05:07. | |
piecemeal to the media rather than to the British people and Nissan, | :05:08. | :05:12. | |
actually. But he want published the letter. He said he has told us what | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
is in the letter and that reassurances given on training, on | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
science and on supporting the supply chain for the automated sector. You | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
must be in favour all -- of all of that? We are in favour of an | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
industrial strategy. Greg Clark unlike Sajid Javid, cannot say | :05:31. | :05:39. | |
industrial strategy. I'm still puzzling to find out what it is you | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
disagree with. Let me put the question. You said the assurances he | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
has given to Nissan are available to the car manufacturing sector in | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
general and indeed to industry in general. What is your problem with | :05:54. | :05:59. | |
that? Two things. Let him publish the letter so we can see that, let | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
him have the transparency he's pretending to offer. But also, we | :06:04. | :06:09. | |
need an industrial strategy that values -- that is values based and | :06:10. | :06:16. | |
joined. He talked about electric cars and supporting green cars. That | :06:17. | :06:23. | |
was in regard to Nissan. At the same time the government has slashed | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
support for other areas of green technology. So what is it? That is | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
not to do with the Nissan deal. Labour implied at some stage there | :06:32. | :06:37. | |
was some financial inducement, some secret bribes, that doesn't seem to | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
be the case. You are not claiming that any more -- any more. Then you | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
claimed it was a sweetheart deal for one company. That turns out not to | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
be the case. What criticism are you left with on this Nissan deal? I | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
would be really surprised if all that Nissan got was the reassurances | :06:58. | :07:04. | |
that Greg Clark is shared with us. He didn't answer the question of | :07:05. | :07:09. | |
what happens if we can't get continued tariff free access to the | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
single market, if we are not within the single market or the Customs | :07:13. | :07:17. | |
Union. Do you really think a negotiator like Nissan, who are very | :07:18. | :07:22. | |
good at negotiating, they would have excepted making this significant | :07:23. | :07:24. | |
investment without some further reassurances? Do you think there is | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
some kind of financial bride and if so what is the evidence? I would | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
like to see the letter published and I would also like to understand what | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
would happen... There are 27 countries which need to agree with | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
the deal we have from Brexit. What will Nissan, how will Nissan remain | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
competitive? How will the automotive industry remain competitive? Greg | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
Clark says he reassured them on that. But how will that be so if we | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
do not get access? We haven't heard anything about that. He talks about | :08:00. | :08:08. | |
reassurances given to Nissan. We need to make -- to know where we're | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
going to make sure Brexit is in the interest of all workers, not only | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
those who work for a Nissan and not only those who can get the attention | :08:17. | :08:23. | |
of Greg Clark. He assured Nissan that Britain would remain a | :08:24. | :08:25. | |
competitive place to do business. That was the main assurance he gave | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
them. He would help with skills and infrastructure and all the rest | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
Since you are -- intend to repeal the trade union laws that have made | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
strikes in Britain largely a thing of the past, and you plan to raise | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
corporation tax, you couldn't give Nissan the same assurance, could | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
you? We could absolutely give Nissan the assurance that we will be, our | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
vision of the future of the UK, is based on having a strong | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
manufacturing sector. Repealing trade union laws? As we have seen at | :08:57. | :09:07. | |
Nissan, the industrial sector is dependent on having highly trained, | :09:08. | :09:15. | |
well skilled workers. -- highly skilled, well-trained. You don't | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
have that by getting -- having an aggressive policy and trade union | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
laws or by slashing corporation tax and not supporting manufacturing | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
investment. Remember, the last government took away the | :09:28. | :09:30. | |
Manufacturing allowances which supported Manufacturing and slashed | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
corporation tax. That is their solution. It is a low tax, low skill | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
economy they want. Thank you. Sorry I had to rush you. | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
I'm grateful for you joining us I'm still struggling to see what is | :09:45. | :09:54. | |
left of Labour's criticism? Yeah, except for this. This was a valid | :09:55. | :09:58. | |
point she just made. What we know for sure is that Greg Clark could | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
say to Nissan, my aim is to get tariff free deal. There is no way he | :10:03. | :10:09. | |
could guarantee that. None of us know that. I don't think that was | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
enough. I think clearly there was a more detailed package involving | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
training and other things. He has acknowledged this, albeit we do not | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
know the precise mechanism. What I think is interesting about this is | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
if you reverse what happened this week, at a time when the government | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
says Britain is open for business and it is going to have an | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
industrial strategy, so far it is a bit vaguely defined. Nissan hadn't | :10:36. | :10:39. | |
made this commitment. Imagine what would have happened? It is an | :10:40. | :10:42. | |
impossible scenario. The government seems to me was obliged to make sure | :10:43. | :10:49. | |
this didn't happen. Let's not forget Nissan has invested hundreds of | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
millions in the north-east. It has been a huge success story. When I | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
spoke to workers from Nissan, they were so proud because they went to | :10:58. | :11:01. | |
Japan to teach the Japanese had to be more productive. The idea that | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
Nissan was just going to walk away from this given its track record, | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
its importance, wasn't really credible. The government had some | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
bargaining chips. Absolutely, of course they weren't going to walk | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
away. The majority of people in the area in which Nissan is braced - | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
based, voted for Brexit. Nissan knows it is in a powerful position | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
because it is an emotive sector Clearly the government didn't want | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
to have some big showdown. I honestly don't think this is a | :11:32. | :11:38. | |
smoking gun. The Labour Shadow minister really struggled to | :11:39. | :11:40. | |
articulate what exactly she thinks the government is hiding. I think | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
the reassurances were given were pretty anodyne, really. They were | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
anodyne and general. And what Greg Clark was setting out was an | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
objective and he made the right noises, and Nissan exercised its | :11:52. | :11:55. | |
right to sabre rattle. It does have a history of doing that. The one | :11:56. | :12:02. | |
thing that would now be clear given Greg Clark's performance this | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
morning on the BBC, is that if we were to discover some kind of | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
financial incentive directly linked to this investment, not more for | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
skills or infrastructure, that is fine, but some direct financial | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
investment, compensation for tariffs, which would be illegal | :12:19. | :12:20. | |
under World Trade Organisation rules, what you might call a | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
financial bride, the sect -- the business Secretary's position would | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
be untenable? He would be in a very difficult position indeed. Just | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
released the letter. There is nothing to hide. Put it out there. | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
The most revealing thing is that people are getting wildly excited | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
about the fact Greg Clark announced Britain's negotiating position would | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
be that we would like tariff free trade with Europe. This is regarded | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
as an insight into what this comment is doing and it says a great deal | :12:51. | :12:53. | |
about how little we have been told in Parliament and the media about | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
what they are up. Do you think it is exciting we are going for tariff | :13:00. | :13:03. | |
free trade? We're easily excited these days. We don't know. This is | :13:04. | :13:10. | |
where these things are at such a tentative phase. We don't know how | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
the rest of the European Union is going to respond to Britain's | :13:15. | :13:20. | |
negotiating hand. We know Britain once the best of everything, please. | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
It is a starting point. But that is not how it is going to end up. We | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
are getting wider than that. We have will have to see. | :13:31. | :13:32. | |
Now, Universal Credit, a single payment made to welfare | :13:33. | :13:34. | |
claimants that would roll together a plethora of benefits whilst | :13:35. | :13:37. | |
encouraging people into work by making work pay. | :13:38. | :13:39. | |
But have cuts to the flagship welfare scheme reduced work | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
incentives and hit the incomes of the least well-off? | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
Well, some of the government's own MPs think so, and, | :13:48. | :13:49. | |
as Mark Lobel reports, want the cuts reversed. | :13:50. | :13:56. | |
Theresa May says she wants a country that works | :13:57. | :13:59. | |
for everyone, that's on the side of ordinary, working people. | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
It means never writing off people who can work and consigning them | :14:04. | :14:06. | |
to a life on benefits, but giving them the chance to go out | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
and earn a living and to enjoy the dignity that comes | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
But now some in her party are worried that the low earners | :14:13. | :14:18. | |
will be hit by changes to Universal Credit benefit system | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
originally set up to encourage more people into work. | :14:24. | :14:25. | |
We also need to focus tax credits and Universal Credit | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
Concern centred on the Government's decision in the July 2015 budget | :14:29. | :14:35. | |
to find ?3 billion worth of savings from the Universal Credit bill. | :14:36. | :14:44. | |
Conservative MP Heidi Allen is working on a campaign to get MPs | :14:45. | :14:46. | |
in her party to urge the Prime Minister to think again. | :14:47. | :14:54. | |
I want her to understand for herself what the outcomes might | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
be if we press ahead with the Universal Credit, | :14:58. | :14:59. | |
Do you think Theresa May, right now, understands what you understand | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
To be fair, unless you really get into the detail, | :15:04. | :15:06. | |
and I have through my work on the Work and Pensions | :15:07. | :15:09. | |
Select Committee, I don't think anybody does. | :15:10. | :15:10. | |
Independent economic analysts at the IFS agree with Heidi Alan | :15:11. | :15:17. | |
that cuts to Universal Credit weaken incentives to work. | :15:18. | :15:21. | |
One of the key parts of the Universal Credit system | :15:22. | :15:23. | |
That is how much you can earn before your credit | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
As the Government has sought to save money, | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
both under the Coalition and now they Conservative Government, | :15:31. | :15:32. | |
both under the Coalition and now the Conservative Government, | :15:33. | :15:34. | |
that work allowance has been cut, time and time again. | :15:35. | :15:36. | |
The biggest cuts happened in the summer budget of 2015. | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
That basically reduces the amount of earnings you get to keep | :15:40. | :15:41. | |
It weakens the incentive people have to move into work. | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
What do changes to the Universal Credit system mean? | :15:46. | :15:47. | |
The Resolution Foundation think tank has crunched the numbers. | :15:48. | :15:50. | |
If you compare what would have happened before the July 2015 summer | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
budget to what will happen by 2 20, even if you take into account gains | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
in the National Living Wage and income tax cuts, | :15:58. | :15:59. | |
recipients will be hit by annual deductions. | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
Couples and parents would receive, on average, ?1000 less. | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
A dual-earning couple with two children under four, | :16:09. | :16:10. | |
with one partner working full-time on ?10.50 an hour and the other | :16:11. | :16:13. | |
working part-time on the minimum wage for around 20 | :16:14. | :16:16. | |
hours a week, they would receive ?1800 less. | :16:17. | :16:23. | |
Hit most by the changes would be a single parent | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
with a child under four, working full-time | :16:27. | :16:27. | |
I think, if I'm honest, it is unrealistic, given | :16:28. | :16:41. | |
the economic climate, to expect everything to be reversed. | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
What I would like to see is an increase in the work | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
allowances to those people who will be hardest hit. | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
That is single parents and second earners hoping to return to work, | :16:54. | :16:56. | |
because they are the people we need to absolutely make | :16:57. | :16:58. | |
The Sunday Politics understands that about 15 to 20 Conservative MPs | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
are pushing for changes ahead of the Autumn Statement. | :17:04. | :17:06. | |
A former cabinet minister told us that they believed further impact | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
analysis should be done to find out if any mitigation measures | :17:11. | :17:12. | |
Former Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, an architect | :17:13. | :17:19. | |
of the system, now says the cuts should be reversed. | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
But his former department has told us that it has no plans to revisit | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
the work allowance changes announced in the budget last year. | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
What I would say to Heidi Allen and IDS, they got it right the first | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
time and they should stick to the vote they cast last year | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
because these reforms actually do make sense. | :17:41. | :17:41. | |
What interests me is the fact we are trying to move people | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
off welfare into work, we are raising the wages people | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
earn by massively increasing the minimum wage and this | :17:48. | :17:49. | |
People are coming off welfare and into work. | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
Campaigners are pushing for savings to come from other areas to relieve | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
The other thing we have to start looking at is the triple | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
Financially it has been a great policy, and it was absolutely right | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
that we lifted pensioners who were significantly behind, | :18:06. | :18:07. | |
for many years, in terms of income levels, but they have | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
I think it is time for us to look at that policy again, | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
because is costing us an awful lot of money. | :18:16. | :18:17. | |
With just over three weeks to wait until the Conservative leadership's | :18:18. | :18:20. | |
new economic plan is unveiled in the Autumn Statement, | :18:21. | :18:23. | |
its top team is under pressure from within its own ranks to use it | :18:24. | :18:27. | |
And I'm joined now by former Work and Pensions Secretary, | :18:28. | :18:36. | |
Welcome back to the programme. Theresa May said she is on the side | :18:37. | :18:44. | |
of the just managing, the working poor. But they are about to be hit | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
from all sides. Their modest living standards are going to be squeezed | :18:51. | :18:53. | |
as inflation overtakes pay rises, they will be further squeezed | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
because top-up benefits in work are frozen. Incentives to work are going | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
to be reduced by the cuts in universal benefits. So much for | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
being on the side of those just managing? Theresa was right to focus | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
on this group. The definition has to be the bottom half, in economic | :19:11. | :19:17. | |
terms, of the social structure. It doesn't look good for them? This is | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
the point I am making, it is an opportunity to put some of this | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
right. One of the reasons I resigned in March is because I felt the | :19:26. | :19:27. | |
direction of travel we had been going in had been to take far too | :19:28. | :19:31. | |
much money out of that group of people when there are other areas | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
which, if you need to make some of those savings, you can. The key bit | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
is that the group needs to be helped through into work and encouraged to | :19:40. | :19:42. | |
stay in work. There was a report done with the IFS, when we were | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
there, at Universal Credit. It said Universal Credit rolled out, as it | :19:47. | :19:53. | |
should have been before the cuts, people would be much more likely to | :19:54. | :19:56. | |
stay in work longer and earn more money. It is a net positive, but | :19:57. | :20:00. | |
that is now called into question. Let's unpick some of the detail but | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
first, do you accept the words of David Willets? It says on the basis | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
of the things I read out to you that the just managing face a significant | :20:09. | :20:15. | |
and painful cut in real terms if we continue on the way we are going. I | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
do, in essence. That is the reason why I resigned. I felt Heidi raised | :20:21. | :20:29. | |
that issue as well, that we got the balance wrong. It is right that | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
pensioners get to a certain point, when they are on a level par, doing | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
the right thing over five years Staying with that process has cost | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
us ?18 billion extra this year, in total. It will go on costing another | :20:42. | :20:50. | |
5 billion. Then there is the issue of tax allowances. I want to remind | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
you and viewers what David Cameron told the Conservative conference in | :20:55. | :21:01. | |
2009. If you are a single mother with two children, earning ?150 a | :21:02. | :21:07. | |
week, the withdrawal of your benefits and the additional taxes | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
that you pay me on that for every extra you earn, you keep just 4p. | :21:11. | :21:18. | |
What kind of incentive is that? 30 years ago, this party won and | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
election fighting against 98% tax rates for the Rex richest. I want us | :21:25. | :21:33. | |
today to show even more anger about 96% tax rates for the very poorest | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
in our country. Real anger, and effective rate of over 90%. | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
Universal Credit reduces that. Some will still face, as they lose | :21:45. | :21:48. | |
benefits and pay tax, a marginal rate of over 75%. That is still too | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
high? Yes, it is the collision between those going into work at the | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
moment they start paying tax. A racial Universal Credit is set at | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
65%. You can call that the base marginal tax rate. 1.2 million will | :22:03. | :22:09. | |
face 75%? That is the point about why the allowances are so important. | :22:10. | :22:12. | |
The point about the allowances which viewers might not fully understand | :22:13. | :22:15. | |
is that it was set, as part of Universal Credit, to allow you to | :22:16. | :22:19. | |
get certain people, with certain difficulties, as they cross into | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
work, to retain more benefit before it is tapered away as they go up in | :22:24. | :22:30. | |
hours. A lone parent, who might have various issues, you want her to have | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
a bigger incentive than a single person that does not have the same | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
commitments. It is structured so that somebody who has difficulty | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
going to work, they all have slightly different rates. What | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
happened is that last year a decision was taken to reduce tax | :22:45. | :22:47. | |
credits, and, on the back of that, to reduce allowances. I believe | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
given everything that happened now, we need to restore that to the point | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
where it helps those people crossing over. You say a decision was taken, | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
it was a decision by the former Chancellor George Osborne in the | :23:01. | :23:05. | |
summer budget. Other decisions were taken in successive Budgets to raise | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
the Universal Credit budget, which resulted in the disincentive being | :23:10. | :23:12. | |
higher than many people wanted. Do you accept that has been the | :23:13. | :23:18. | |
consequence of his decisions? I was in the Government, we take | :23:19. | :23:20. | |
collective responsibility. I argued this was not the right way to go, | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
but when you are in you have to stay with it if you lose that argument. | :23:25. | :23:27. | |
There was another attempt before the spending review last year to | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
increase the taper, so the marginal rate would have gone up. I managed | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
to stop that. I'm Sibley saying what we made as a decision last | :23:37. | :23:40. | |
year, given the circumstances and given that the net effect of all of | :23:41. | :23:45. | |
that, I think it is time for the Government to ask the question, if | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
we are in this to help that group of people, Universal Credit is | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
singularly the most powerful tool. One of the Argentine aid in the | :23:54. | :23:55. | |
paper published on Thursday, we are set going on doing two more races of | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
the tax threshold, taking more people out of tax. That has a | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
diminishing effect on the bottom section. Only 25p in that tax rate | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
will help any of those. Most of it goes to middle income? You and I | :24:14. | :24:18. | |
will benefit more from that. With Universal Credit, every pound you | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
put into that will go to the bottom five tenths. That is why I designed | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
it like that. He pressed the button and immediately start to changed | :24:26. | :24:30. | |
circumstances. Should the cuts in Universal Credit that Mr Osborne | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
introduced, against your argument, should they be reversed? I believe | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
so. I believe you can do it even if there is concern about spending I | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
don't believe you need to go through with the continuing raise the tax | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
threshold. Cost is dependent on inflation, but give or take. It is | :24:47. | :24:54. | |
in the Tory manifesto? Has more than doubled. What is in the manifesto, | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
and Lasse Prime Minister made this clear in conference, we want to | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
improve the life chances of people. Today's announcement on the Green | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
paper is what I wrote over the last two and a half years. Big changes | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
necessary to how we deal with sickness benefit. That can now be | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
done because of Universal Credit, because people can go back to work | :25:17. | :25:19. | |
and it tapers away their benefits. It is the most powerful tool to sort | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
our people that live in poverty Universal Credit. We need to make | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
sure it lands positively. If Mr Osborne's cuts were reversed, what | :25:30. | :25:31. | |
you and some of your backbench Tory colleagues want to do, how would | :25:32. | :25:36. | |
that improve the incentives of the working poor, as they try to get on | :25:37. | :25:42. | |
in life? They have to pay more tax, they lose some benefits. How would | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
it improve it? Would many still face a 75% rate? The key question is | :25:49. | :25:52. | |
first and foremost, as people move through income to the point where | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
they are getting taxed, that group will be enormously benefited by the | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
re-emergence of these allowances at the right level. That is what the | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
IFS have said, that is what the Resolution Foundation are saying, | :26:07. | :26:10. | |
and the Centre For Social Justice is saying. You have to get that group, | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
because they are most likely to be drifting into poverty and less | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
incomes are right. Would it help those who face a 75% margin? We | :26:19. | :26:24. | |
don't face that. Exactly right. People much poorer than us do. I | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
would love to get the marginal rate down to testify percent, and lower,. | :26:29. | :26:37. | |
-- down to 65%. It is a balance of how you spend the money. I would | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
prefer to do that rather than necessarily go ahead with threshold | :26:41. | :26:48. | |
razors. I think the coronation of the marginal reduction of 65%, | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
getting it down to 60%, plus more allowances, will allow Universal | :26:55. | :26:56. | |
Credit to get to the group that is going to be, and the report written | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
by the IFS and ourselves, it shows it is going to be the most dynamic | :27:01. | :27:04. | |
and direct ability of a Government to be able to influence the way that | :27:05. | :27:08. | |
people improve their incomes in the bottom five deciles. Would you take | :27:09. | :27:15. | |
on extra work if you knew you were going to lose 75% of it? Even 6 %? | :27:16. | :27:21. | |
This has been my argument all along. Universal Credit can help that | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
enormously. One point that goes missing, 70% of the bottom five | :27:27. | :27:31. | |
deciles will be on Universal Credit. Whatever change you make to | :27:32. | :27:33. | |
Universal Credit has a dramatic and immediate effect I am arguing, | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
genuinely, it is time to rethink this. The Prime Minister wants to | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
make this a priority. I am completely with her on this. I think | :27:44. | :27:47. | |
she made a really good start. To deliver this, we need to... You have | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
a lot of work to do to deliver it. Because it is a manifesto | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
commitment, or because they want to do it, stopping increasing the | :27:57. | :28:02. | |
personal allowances are not acceptable, what about bringing to | :28:03. | :28:04. | |
an end, by the end of the parliament, the pension triple lock | :28:05. | :28:10. | |
that pensioners enjoy to improve and put more money to the working poor? | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
What about that? Well, you are absolutely right that there is now | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
the danger, I think, of a mess balance between the generations | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
Quite rightly at the beginning, when we came in, we have a commitment as | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
a Conservative Party in a manifesto to get pensions back onto earnings. | :28:28. | :28:33. | |
It was moved to a triple lock that guaranteed a minimum. What about | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
ending up now? I understand it is a promise through the Parliament, but | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
after 2020? I am in favour of getting it back to innings and | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
allowing it to rise at reasonable levels. Moving from earnings to the | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
triple lock has cost ?18 billion this year. Here was a high, under | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
pressure, as the Government was scratching around to pay more money | :28:56. | :28:59. | |
out of working age areas, when the budget was almost out of control on | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
the pension side. I'm in favour of helping pensioners, but now they are | :29:04. | :29:06. | |
up to a reasonable level, at a steady rate, that can be afforded by | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
Government, which takes the pressure off, working age people have to pay | :29:11. | :29:15. | |
for that. In years to come, time to end the triple lock | :29:16. | :29:26. | |
and use the savings to help these people we have been talking about? | :29:27. | :29:31. | |
As part of a load of packages, yes. It would also help with the | :29:32. | :29:32. | |
intergenerational fairness argument. Thank you for being with us. | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
Now, a prominent London Imam called Shakeel Begg - | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
who is Chief Imam the Lewisham Islamic Centre - is an extremist. | :29:39. | :29:41. | |
That was the verdict of the judge in a libel action that Mr Begg took | :29:42. | :29:44. | |
against the BBC, after we described him as an Islamic extremist | :29:45. | :29:47. | |
Mr Begg had complained about a short segment in an interview in November | :29:48. | :29:51. | |
2013 with Farooq Murad, the then head of the Muslim Council | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
of Britain, an organisation which claims to represent British | :29:55. | :29:56. | |
In that interview, we described Mr Begg as an extremist speaker | :29:57. | :30:02. | |
who had hailed jihad is the greatest of deeds. | :30:03. | :30:05. | |
From his base of the Lewisham Islamic Centre, Mr Begg has been | :30:06. | :30:08. | |
involved in a number of community organisations, including | :30:09. | :30:12. | |
the Police Independent Advisory Group in Lewisham, | :30:13. | :30:15. | |
Lewisham Council's Advisory Council on Religious Education | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
and as a volunteer chaplain at Lewisham Hospital. | :30:21. | :30:22. | |
But in his judgment, Mr Justice Haddon-Cave called | :30:23. | :30:28. | |
Mr Begg a Jekyll and Hyde character - a trusted figure in his local | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
community, but when talking to predominantly Muslim audiences | :30:32. | :30:34. | |
he shed the cloak of respectability and revealed the horns of extremism. | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
The judge cited one speech made by Mr Begg at a rally | :30:40. | :30:42. | |
outside Belmarsh Prisonm- the high security prison that houses | :30:43. | :30:45. | |
terrorists - as particularly sinister. | :30:46. | :30:48. | |
The judge said the imam was expressing admiration and praise | :30:49. | :30:51. | |
Following Friday's judgment, the hospital trust have told us that | :30:52. | :30:57. | |
Mr Begg's status as a voluntary chaplain has been terminated. | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
We have been told by Lewisham Council he is no longer | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
on their Religious Education Committee. | :31:06. | :31:06. | |
The Metropolitan Police have confirmed that | :31:07. | :31:08. | |
Mr Begg remains a member of their Independent Advisory Group | :31:09. | :31:13. | |
in Lewisham, as well as the borough's faith group. | :31:14. | :31:22. | |
I am joined by Haras Rafiq, chief executive of the Quilliam | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
Foundation. Welcome to the programme. I have here in my hand a | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
statement from the trustees of the Lewisham Islamic Centre. They reject | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
the judge's ruling as fanciful and say they are unequivocal and | :31:41. | :31:42. | |
unwavering in their support of Shakeel Begg as their head imam | :31:43. | :31:49. | |
What do you make of that? To be honest, it doesn't surprise me. At | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
the end of the day he is only the imam of that mosque because he | :31:54. | :31:57. | |
belongs to the same theological fundamentalist views that the mosque | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
would portray. If they were to say he was an extremist, they would be | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
saying in fact that they have allowed extremist preaching and | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
extremist theology within their walls. I think this is a very | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
important decision and a very important judgment by the judge | :32:17. | :32:23. | |
First of all, these people like to operate in a linear, under a veneer | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
of respectability. When that veneer is taken away, there are a number of | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
things that can happen. First of all, the BBC did very well to stand | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
by their guns and say, we're not going to be intimidated by somebody | :32:37. | :32:43. | |
who is threatening to taking -- to take us to court for potential | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
libel. Many other media companies have done that in the past and | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
people have capitulated. Also, this has exposed him. Legally now, here's | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
some deal can be classified as an extremist preacher, somebody who | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
promotes religious violence. I think the mosque really needs to take a | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
step back and say, how we part of the problem that we are facing | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
within society? Or are we going to be part of the solution? It really | :33:10. | :33:18. | |
concerns me. The High Court judge says that Mr Begg's speeches were | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
consistent with an extremist Salafist is the most worldview. What | :33:24. | :33:30. | |
is Salafist is and how widespread is it in UK mosques? -- mosque. It | :33:31. | :33:40. | |
comes from the Middle East. It is from Saudi Arabia. The enemy for | :33:41. | :33:43. | |
them was the old colonial Ottoman Empire. There is the quiet Salafist | :33:44. | :33:52. | |
to get some with their lives, lives outside society. There is a | :33:53. | :33:54. | |
revolutionary who tries to convert other people to their worldview And | :33:55. | :33:58. | |
then there is the Salafist jihad ease. People like Islamic State etc. | :33:59. | :34:05. | |
We have seen of increased in recent decades because of money that has, | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
growing from the Middle East. When that is mixed with a political | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
ideology, it becomes potent. Do we have a political -- particular | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
problem in Britain with this in our mosques? Absolutely. Without the | :34:19. | :34:24. | |
theology that says hate the other, hate other Muslims, that | :34:25. | :34:27. | |
excommunicate other people, that says it is OK to fight and is good | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
to fight when you have got an enemy, we wouldn't really have a jihadi | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
problem. Really that is something we have to tackle. The number of | :34:37. | :34:44. | |
mosques and institutions supporting Salafist and Islam is has been on | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
the increase. Do we have a problem with what the judge called Jekyll | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
and Hyde characters who hide their extremism except when they are | :34:54. | :34:59. | |
speaking to specific groups? Absolutely. One of the things we | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
have focused on in the past, a number of hate preachers now in | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
prison, people like Anjem Choudary, and everybody focused on them. But | :35:10. | :35:12. | |
there is a range of people operating under that level. People who will | :35:13. | :35:16. | |
show one face to the community because they actually need that for | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
a respectability. They need that for a legitimacy. They need that to | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
operate. When they are behind closed doors and talking to their | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
constitution, that is when you will see the real face of what these | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
people believe. It is an increasing phenomenon. We are seeing it more. | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
And we're going to carry on seeing it. Not just has the Lewisham mosque | :35:39. | :35:45. | |
stuck by him, but given the clarity of the judge's ruling, are you | :35:46. | :35:49. | |
surprised that the Metropolitan police would wish to continue with | :35:50. | :35:54. | |
Mr Begg as an adviser? I'm absolutely shocked that that | :35:55. | :35:57. | |
decision. What Uzzy going to do Advise them on how to deal with | :35:58. | :36:03. | |
extremist preachers and promote religiously motivated violence? I | :36:04. | :36:05. | |
don't know what he's going to advise them on. Because we now have a judge | :36:06. | :36:12. | |
that has ruled against him and actually classified him as an | :36:13. | :36:14. | |
extremist and somebody who promotes religious violence, we actually have | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
a possibility for the CPS to actually prosecute him. There is a | :36:20. | :36:24. | |
law that has been in place since 2005 called religiously motivated | :36:25. | :36:27. | |
violence. If he has been classified as somebody who promotes this, there | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
is a potential for the CPS to prosecute. I want to called into | :36:34. | :36:37. | |
question other organisations, interfaith organisations, other | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
Muslims groups, who say they want to fight extremism, I call on them to | :36:41. | :36:47. | |
say, this guy is an extremist preacher, we should cut our ties | :36:48. | :36:56. | |
from him. This was a very high risk strategy by the BBC. The exposure | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
could have been over ?1.5 million of licence payers money. Will this make | :37:01. | :37:06. | |
it more difficult for Jekyll and Hyde characters to behave as Mr Begg | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
has behaved? Absolutely. It will do. One of the things they will now have | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
to make sure is that they are a lot more careful. Careful with what they | :37:17. | :37:23. | |
say to their own constituency. It won't solve the theological problem. | :37:24. | :37:27. | |
But it will actually stop other people from operating in this manner | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
and allow other media organisations to have the confidence to expose | :37:32. | :37:35. | |
them when they do. Haras Rafiq, thank you for joining us. | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
It's just gone 11.35, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :37:39. | :37:40. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now | :37:41. | :37:43. | |
Coming up here in 20 minutes, the Week Ahead. | :37:44. | :38:02. | |
Later in the programme, our hospitals are | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
buckling under the strain, trying to make savings | :38:07. | :38:08. | |
while they are dealing with the beds crisis? | :38:09. | :38:10. | |
There is no winter pressures any more. | :38:11. | :38:12. | |
And a new way to protect our coasts, but only | :38:13. | :38:15. | |
if the Government will stump up some money. | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
Well, here with me today, James Cleverly, the Conserv`tive MP | :38:19. | :38:21. | |
And for the Liberal Democrats, Dave Hodgson. | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
The only elected mayor in this region. | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
But all that might change if this man gets | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
This week, Sajid Javid was hn Suffolk in Norfolk trying to save | :38:34. | :38:38. | |
The local government secretary met councillors | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
and business leaders in a l`st-ditch effort to keep the deal alive. | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
Under the Government's proposals, over 30 | :38:48. | :38:48. | |
years, hundreds of millions of pounds would be devolved from | :38:49. | :38:56. | |
Councillors would get new powers over housing, | :38:57. | :38:59. | |
infrastructure, transport and economic development. | :39:00. | :39:01. | |
But it is by no means a dond deal, especially in | :39:02. | :39:04. | |
Norfolk, where four councils have already opted out. | :39:05. | :39:09. | |
The Tory leader of the county council is now calling | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
for an debate early next month before a final decision is | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
If this deal doesn't happen, then there will, ultimately, I think | :39:19. | :39:21. | |
the fewer opportunities because local leaders will be | :39:22. | :39:23. | |
turning their backs on hundreds of millions of new | :39:24. | :39:26. | |
It is control of local skills funding, | :39:27. | :39:34. | |
transport funding, and why would any local | :39:35. | :39:36. | |
leader turn their back on | :39:37. | :39:37. | |
Dave Hodgson, as an elected mayor, presumably you are all | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
Well, the people of Bedford voted for it. | :39:44. | :39:49. | |
We had a referendum, we decided we wanted an elected | :39:50. | :39:51. | |
If the people of Norfolk and Suffolk decides they | :39:52. | :39:54. | |
want a different system, they should have that. | :39:55. | :39:56. | |
I don't think the system should be imposed against how they | :39:57. | :39:59. | |
You didn't say whether you think you are in favour | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
I campaign against elected mayors, but the people of | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
Why is it that the Government is so set on | :40:08. | :40:12. | |
I think that's one of the things we saw from the clip is that a number | :40:13. | :40:17. | |
of those issues, skills, economic development, | :40:18. | :40:18. | |
And the combination of thosd things in a local area will vary area to | :40:19. | :40:28. | |
Local solutions, supported financially from central Government, | :40:29. | :40:31. | |
but tailored for local needs, I think it is a really good mix | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
Because actually, if you are going to be | :40:35. | :40:45. | |
devolving really big chunks of money which are going to be spent | :40:46. | :40:48. | |
regionally, then actually you need someone who is accountable `cross | :40:49. | :40:50. | |
that whole region to be the person that front setup. | :40:51. | :40:53. | |
And I think that is why the Secretary of State was | :40:54. | :40:55. | |
Where you have a point of accountability who can spend that | :40:56. | :41:00. | |
But surely if the people in Norfolk and Suffolk have a different | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
accountable model and we re`lly believe in devolving power, they | :41:05. | :41:07. | |
should be able to decide thdir model and actually put that to thd | :41:08. | :41:10. | |
Secretary of State and say, this is the model we want. | :41:11. | :41:16. | |
And we shouldn't be hung up on elected mayors | :41:17. | :41:18. | |
We should look at the devolution as the | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
primary task and actually get the economy moving. | :41:22. | :41:23. | |
Don't you think it is good to have a focal point? | :41:24. | :41:26. | |
It works in Bedford, but I think I can | :41:27. | :41:28. | |
Norfolk and Suffolk there isn't a focal point necessarily. | :41:29. | :41:31. | |
And I think it will be actu`lly more of a | :41:32. | :41:34. | |
And it seems to be the thing that is stopping the deal. | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
If everybody wants this devolution, if | :41:39. | :41:39. | |
this is the only thing, surely there's a way round ht. | :41:40. | :41:42. | |
Everybody seems to be talking about Norfolk | :41:43. | :41:43. | |
and Suffolk and Cambridgeshhre, what about Essex? | :41:44. | :41:45. | |
Well, the idea of a Greater Essex region, and Essex | :41:46. | :41:48. | |
But I think one of the challenges with | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
Essex is, though we have Chdlmsford as our capital city, actually Essex | :41:52. | :41:54. | |
It doesn't really have that central mass. | :41:55. | :42:00. | |
And I think it is shown that | :42:01. | :42:03. | |
some of the needs and requirements of South Essex, which is much more | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
urban, very different from the north, which is much more rural. | :42:10. | :42:12. | |
But if we listen to what Sajid Javid said, they are going to | :42:13. | :42:16. | |
To make it clear, I am ambivalent on the | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
But I do completely understand the Government's | :42:20. | :42:27. | |
position, when they are sayhng, if we are going to hand across really | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
significant spending power, then we need to note that the people | :42:31. | :42:33. | |
spending that money can be held to account. | :42:34. | :42:35. | |
It is one of the fundamentals of democracy. | :42:36. | :42:36. | |
And it is really difficult to hold a mix of | :42:37. | :42:39. | |
district, town, parish and county councils. | :42:40. | :42:40. | |
one of the things that the Government is quite keen on seeing. | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
The challenge of managing our coastline. | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
on a scale never before seen in the UK is being | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
planned for a stretch of | :42:55. | :42:55. | |
The aim of the plan is to improve sea defences near | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
one of the biggest gas terminals in Britain. | :43:00. | :43:02. | |
With a new technique called sandscaping. | :43:03. | :43:04. | |
But the council needs help from the Government to pay for | :43:05. | :43:06. | |
It's a vital piece of National infrastructure. | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
Nearly a third of all the g`s we use is piped into | :43:13. | :43:14. | |
Unthinkable that this could fall into the sea. | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
But that is exactly what is at stake. | :43:20. | :43:21. | |
Sea defences have failed, beach levels have dropped. | :43:22. | :43:26. | |
Which is why a radical solution to protect | :43:27. | :43:28. | |
the terminal and the neighbouring villages of Walcott and Bacton, | :43:29. | :43:32. | |
The province of South Holland are examining innovative | :43:33. | :43:42. | |
Waves of coastal maintenancd and protection using the sand motor. | :43:43. | :43:45. | |
On the Dutch coast, huge qu`ntities of | :43:46. | :43:46. | |
sand have been dredged and brought ashore. | :43:47. | :43:48. | |
The natural movement of the | :43:49. | :43:49. | |
waves and tides then carries this sacrificial material down the coast, | :43:50. | :43:52. | |
maintaining beach levels and providing | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
It is not just a little bit of sand, it | :43:58. | :44:05. | |
I think we are so close now that I cannot see it is not | :44:06. | :44:11. | |
It hasn't happened as quickly as I would | :44:12. | :44:21. | |
have liked, or indeed as the | :44:22. | :44:22. | |
terminal would like, which hs why they are having to put some | :44:23. | :44:25. | |
temporary protection in casd of winter storms this year. | :44:26. | :44:28. | |
At Bacton, 2.3 million cubic metres of sand | :44:29. | :44:29. | |
It gets a qualified welcome from Richard | :44:30. | :44:37. | |
Hollis, who recently spent ?250,000 on rock defences | :44:38. | :44:39. | |
to protect his caravan park. | :44:40. | :44:50. | |
If you look at the Dutch, they do the sandscaping, but they also | :44:51. | :44:53. | |
practice drainage along the top of the cliff. | :44:54. | :44:55. | |
And a hard defence further down to stop the main wash | :44:56. | :44:58. | |
The estimated cost of the s`nd escaping is around ?30 | :44:59. | :45:01. | |
North Norfolk Council needs to raise approximately ?6 million to protect | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
It is facing a shortfall of up to 3 million. | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
Autumn Statement to see whether the Government | :45:10. | :45:12. | |
We also want to see whether the gas companies are prepared to | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
But without contributions from Government and | :45:17. | :45:24. | |
the gas companies, this will not go ahead. | :45:25. | :45:26. | |
The scheme, which would be ` first for Britain, has the | :45:27. | :45:30. | |
If the funding can be agreed, work could start as soon as next year. | :45:31. | :45:53. | |
Well, we did ask to speak to Suffolk MP, but she was not able to talk | :45:54. | :45:57. | |
Mr Cleverly, do you think that, there you are, you | :45:58. | :46:16. | |
As we have seen from the statement, the | :46:17. | :46:23. | |
And I know MPs have lobbied for funding, | :46:24. | :46:26. | |
some more successfully than | :46:27. | :46:31. | |
others - my colleague Brandon Lewis I know was successful | :46:32. | :46:33. | |
getting funding for his part of the Norfolk coast. | :46:34. | :46:39. | |
So, yes, Central Government does have a role to play. | :46:40. | :46:41. | |
And obviously so do the private sector. | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
And so, it needs to be a team effort. | :46:46. | :46:48. | |
I think that proposal is very interesting. | :46:49. | :46:56. | |
It is the kind of thing we will look to support. | :46:57. | :46:58. | |
How do you decide what you are going to save? | :46:59. | :47:01. | |
Are you going to save the g`s terminal or | :47:02. | :47:03. | |
Through lobbying, Brandon Lewis has been | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
Why you choose Brandon Lewis' bits of the coast, rather | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
than Norman Lamb's and the villages there, I think you cannot jtst | :47:15. | :47:18. | |
decide piecemeal about who can lobby best. | :47:19. | :47:19. | |
That is not the way to | :47:20. | :47:20. | |
Isn't there a question about what you save? | :47:21. | :47:24. | |
Whether it is an industrial site like the gas terminal? | :47:25. | :47:26. | |
But if you have lobbying to prioritise one area, surdly we | :47:27. | :47:39. | |
It doesn't seem that shot of money in the grand | :47:40. | :47:45. | |
And what I don't want to do is for that to be eroded | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
It would nice to be nearer the coast, | :47:50. | :47:52. | |
but if we don't do this, we are going to be | :47:53. | :47:55. | |
It is not just about who is the most successful at lobbying. | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
It is a good metaphor for the kind of decisions | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
that always have to be made at Government level anyway, which is | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
you can't do everything you might want to do, so you have to | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
I know Norman will be lobbyhng hard for his part of the | :48:10. | :48:15. | |
coastline, and it is about laking sure that central government | :48:16. | :48:17. | |
recognise there is a strong case to be made locally. | :48:18. | :48:21. | |
But you can't protect absolttely every inch of | :48:22. | :48:27. | |
coast, you have to focus on the things | :48:28. | :48:29. | |
of the most significant in | :48:30. | :48:30. | |
And you also have to decide what you are going to | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
save because the problem moves down the coastline as well, doesn't it? | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
Now, the state of our health services. | :48:39. | :48:40. | |
Despite making huge savings, the majority of acute | :48:41. | :48:42. | |
hospitals in this region can't balance their books. | :48:43. | :48:43. | |
This year, totalling ?336 million across the | :48:44. | :48:47. | |
The highest single deficit is at Addenbrooke's in Cambridge. | :48:48. | :48:53. | |
Which expects to see a hole in its | :48:54. | :48:55. | |
finances of ?74 million by the end of the year. | :48:56. | :49:04. | |
They are having to make savhngs and facing | :49:05. | :49:06. | |
Even before we reached the critical winter period, | :49:07. | :49:09. | |
black alerts, where there are no beds available, are becoming the | :49:10. | :49:12. | |
At times, health services fdel like they are on life support. | :49:13. | :49:21. | |
The strain of having to makd savings where providing care for increasing | :49:22. | :49:24. | |
numbers of patients is beginning to show. | :49:25. | :49:26. | |
Since the start of the year, hospitals like Norfolk and Norwich | :49:27. | :49:29. | |
and the Queen Elizabeth in King's Lynn have | :49:30. | :49:31. | |
had months of being on | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
black alert, when the hospital is completely full and no bdds are | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
Earlier this month, four of Essex's hospitals were affected, | :49:38. | :49:41. | |
and there has been a month period at Addenbrooke's in Cambridge, too. | :49:42. | :49:46. | |
Which brings into question whether the phrase winter crisis sthll | :49:47. | :49:48. | |
There is no winter pressures any more. | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
Numbers of attendances through A E continue | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
At Northampton General's dahly bed management meeting, every | :49:56. | :50:03. | |
purple line represents a patient who is waiting at A E for more | :50:04. | :50:07. | |
Thanks, firstly, for Wednesday, Thursday, | :50:08. | :50:09. | |
Here, they have more than 100 patients who are actually wdll | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
In the first eight months of this year, almost 40,000 | :50:14. | :50:19. | |
bed days were lost at Northamptonshire's main hospital | :50:20. | :50:22. | |
because patients where they are longer than the needed to bd. | :50:23. | :50:25. | |
One of the highest figures in the country. | :50:26. | :50:30. | |
A large part of the problem is caused by so-called bed blockers, | :50:31. | :50:34. | |
people who have to stay in hospital longer than they need to because | :50:35. | :50:37. | |
care can't be found for them at home. | :50:38. | :50:39. | |
And I know people on the wards have been saying that they wanted to get | :50:40. | :50:45. | |
Because there weren't enough carers in place. | :50:46. | :50:51. | |
The Government wants to | :50:52. | :50:53. | |
bring together health and social care services that were | :50:54. | :50:56. | |
traditionally funded by local authorities | :50:57. | :50:57. | |
to try and reduce the | :50:58. | :50:58. | |
But our councils are struggling to cope. | :50:59. | :51:03. | |
If you look at the Better Care Fund. | :51:04. | :51:06. | |
If you look at the things wd are doing with the health and wdll-being | :51:07. | :51:09. | |
board, and you look at how we are looking to change thhs, | :51:10. | :51:12. | |
that can go part of the way to addressing the | :51:13. | :51:15. | |
But in the longer term, we are going to have to havd a | :51:16. | :51:22. | |
conversation about the amount of money we put into servicds. | :51:23. | :51:25. | |
To care for a couple like the Kings, Suffolk | :51:26. | :51:27. | |
County Council has already had to plug a ?500 million | :51:28. | :51:29. | |
shortfall this year in | :51:30. | :51:30. | |
And Norfolk is facing a ?7 million hole over the | :51:31. | :51:33. | |
The pressure on social care has grown. | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
We have seen recurring cuts to cancel budgets | :51:39. | :51:44. | |
that pay for those services by and large. | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
quarter fewer older people are receiving that kind of treatment | :51:50. | :51:53. | |
The East of England has a particularly fast | :51:54. | :51:55. | |
The number of over 65 is is set to rise by 20%. | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
Over the next decade, which is more than all other groups combined. | :52:00. | :52:02. | |
And that does place additional pressure | :52:03. | :52:04. | |
And it is becoming increasingly difficult for our | :52:05. | :52:07. | |
hospitals to follow Governmdnt plans and deliver everything to everyone. | :52:08. | :52:09. | |
The Government wants to keep its health | :52:10. | :52:12. | |
budget down and has asked for savings. | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
Many hospitals in our region are saving more than | :52:18. | :52:20. | |
Yet despite that, only two of them are managing to | :52:21. | :52:23. | |
balance their books, and the rest are running deficits. | :52:24. | :52:27. | |
It is true that in parts of the country, demand | :52:28. | :52:30. | |
has gone up by more than they anticipated. | :52:31. | :52:32. | |
But there are lots of things we can do and are doing very successfully | :52:33. | :52:38. | |
to help hospitals control their budgets. | :52:39. | :52:39. | |
Difficulties in accident and emergency are all too f`miliar. | :52:40. | :52:45. | |
But maybe some people do not really need to be here. | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
There should be another way to solve the problem. | :52:50. | :52:59. | |
This week, Broomfield Hospital in Chelmsford got tough in | :53:00. | :53:06. | |
Telling some prospective patients to go elsewhere. | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
It is something we may see lore of as our | :53:10. | :53:11. | |
health services face difficult decisions ahead. | :53:12. | :53:13. | |
We pay less for our health care than most countries in | :53:14. | :53:22. | |
But I think there is a management issue. | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
It is about working with | :53:28. | :53:28. | |
The front door to the health service is via social care. | :53:29. | :53:37. | |
We have had the sustainable transformation plan, | :53:38. | :53:41. | |
where we're meant to be working together with the health service. | :53:42. | :53:43. | |
Or communication between he`lth and local government. | :53:44. | :53:48. | |
Don't we have to put them both in the same basket? | :53:49. | :53:51. | |
And say one person organises social care and the health service? | :53:52. | :53:54. | |
But there hasn't been that integration. | :53:55. | :53:58. | |
Yes, we do need to do that `nd it needs to be under one | :53:59. | :54:01. | |
basket and one heading to gdt them to work together. | :54:02. | :54:04. | |
But it hasn't happened so f`r, so the idea of the | :54:05. | :54:07. | |
We have seen, in my view, from my perspective, the | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
health service just saying, we are going to do it. | :54:12. | :54:14. | |
And occasionally asking for some data, but very late | :54:15. | :54:16. | |
Should it be local or should it be national? | :54:17. | :54:32. | |
If we get the elected mayors is | :54:33. | :54:34. | |
shouldn't they have the powdr of the health service? | :54:35. | :54:42. | |
Again, I'm going to get in trouble with my whips | :54:43. | :54:44. | |
because I keep agreeing with Dave on a number of issues, | :54:45. | :54:47. | |
but I do think that there ndeds to be close | :54:48. | :54:49. | |
integration of the whole provision of health in a local area. | :54:50. | :54:52. | |
From GP surgery preventing people going to | :54:53. | :54:54. | |
hospitals, but also social care to enable people to leave hospital | :54:55. | :54:56. | |
When you are putting big money into a local area, | :54:57. | :55:01. | |
that accountability is so very important. | :55:02. | :55:03. | |
So perhaps, as we are starthng to see in Manchester, local | :55:04. | :55:06. | |
identified politicians, whether they be mayors or other | :55:07. | :55:08. | |
models, perhaps an evolution of a Police and Crime | :55:09. | :55:10. | |
Commissioner, could hold th`t money and be accountable for how ht is | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
But they haven't got enough money, whoever runs it. | :55:14. | :55:16. | |
I would say this, there is lore money going into the | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
National Health Service than at any point in its history. | :55:21. | :55:22. | |
There are more people using the National Health | :55:23. | :55:24. | |
There are more people using it, but the Government has met the | :55:25. | :55:30. | |
commitment that NHS England asked for over the course of this | :55:31. | :55:33. | |
It looks as though NHS England got the wrong | :55:34. | :55:43. | |
But there are some things we need to do. | :55:44. | :55:50. | |
I think there are some issuds about structures, management, | :55:51. | :55:52. | |
and also about the habits of health users. | :55:53. | :55:54. | |
We do need more money but wd also need to run the system diffdrently. | :55:55. | :56:05. | |
To have that risk aversion where people go to A and they go | :56:06. | :56:08. | |
from a care home because thdy can't get the Dr to say they don't need to | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
So we are seeing lots of people turn up. | :56:13. | :56:15. | |
Bedford Hospital has 74 ambtlances turn up on | :56:16. | :56:17. | |
That can't be right, when many of those may not have | :56:18. | :56:23. | |
Presumably, they had to quete and then there weren't ambulances | :56:24. | :56:37. | |
available, so it has a knock-on effect? | :56:38. | :56:38. | |
But it is far more expensivd to treat people if | :56:39. | :56:42. | |
In the clip, we saw people who didn't need to go | :56:43. | :56:45. | |
Some of the care staff is to try and integrate that and | :56:46. | :56:53. | |
say, if the hospital had some people actually | :56:54. | :56:55. | |
in the care homes, you | :56:56. | :56:57. | |
could say they don't need to go to hospital. | :56:58. | :56:59. | |
You could could treat them where they are. | :57:00. | :57:01. | |
It needs to be working together from the first principles. | :57:02. | :57:05. | |
We have to do something. But who will have responsibility for the | :57:06. | :57:13. | |
money? Some will devolve, Essex won't? We will have to get tsed to | :57:14. | :57:20. | |
the fact that there will be different systems of Governlent | :57:21. | :57:26. | |
across the country. Elected mayors, we are not going to have a one size | :57:27. | :57:30. | |
fits all. That is probably right but we will have to get used to it. They | :57:31. | :57:32. | |
must talk about it. A new 21-mile stretch | :57:33. | :57:43. | |
of the England Coast Path rtnning from Sea Palling to Hopton-on-Sea | :57:44. | :57:49. | |
has been opened I think it is very important that | :57:50. | :57:51. | |
people who enjoy the paths respect the paths in the interest | :57:52. | :57:59. | |
of the owners alongside the paths. New research shows single | :58:00. | :58:02. | |
parents in Milton Keynes are owed ?12 million | :58:03. | :58:06. | |
MPs are worried that the new child maintenance service won't hdlp. | :58:07. | :58:12. | |
Before the new system is fully rolled out, | :58:13. | :58:14. | |
are there any tweaks we | :58:15. | :58:20. | |
can suggest to the central Government to make | :58:21. | :58:22. | |
A high-tech firm in Huntington has decided to expand abroad following | :58:23. | :58:27. | |
the voted to leave the European Union. | :58:28. | :58:28. | |
Enocam needs engineers, but so | :58:29. | :58:30. | |
few people from the EU are applying for jobs | :58:31. | :58:32. | |
here now, it's decided to | :58:33. | :58:33. | |
And an Essex MP has been reprimanded in Parliament for heckling Jeremy | :58:34. | :58:39. | |
Corbyn during Prime Minister's Question Time. | :58:40. | :58:42. | |
You are imperilling your own health, man. | :58:43. | :58:45. | |
It is a source of great concern to me. | :58:46. | :58:54. | |
There is an honour which is, I won't on a family programle | :58:55. | :59:04. | |
give it the full name, but I was told off by the Speaker | :59:05. | :59:08. | |
criticism of the leader of the opposition, yeah. | :59:09. | :59:15. | |
He has a very sharp sense of humour, a very good sense of humour. | :59:16. | :59:21. | |
And you didn't see it on the footage, | :59:22. | :59:23. | |
did the traditional kind of slight bow to the head, and he bowdd back, | :59:24. | :59:28. | |
The other things which came up in our 60 Seconds, | :59:29. | :59:37. | |
we are talking about all sorts of problems, talking about | :59:38. | :59:40. | |
Not just Brexit, but the skills and the | :59:41. | :59:47. | |
And I go round companies and there is a | :59:48. | :59:50. | |
difficulty in getting enginders and having the right skills to allow | :59:51. | :59:52. | |
I don't know details, but I know we to have our engineering | :59:53. | :00:06. | |
engineering base built on, and we need the skills to | :00:07. | :00:09. | |
If you talk to people, they will Say that | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
lots of people are training to be engineers. | :00:13. | :00:14. | |
But you look at the North Sda, you look at this particular | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
business, it is a problem gdtting the right training to peopld. | :00:18. | :00:19. | |
One of the things I find very frustrating | :00:20. | :00:21. | |
is we spent years through the ' 0s telling youngsters that unldss they | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
wore a suit to work and is had a degree | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
wore a suit to work and is had a degree that they weren't valued. | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
We had this whole thing abott half the population having to go to | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
There are some really fulfilling, well-paid, important | :00:35. | :00:36. | |
jobs in things like engineering and that kind of stuff. | :00:37. | :00:39. | |
Well, both of you, thank you very much for being with | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
You can keep in touch via our website. | :00:44. | :00:56. | |
Barely more than a week now until polling day, | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
and a new revelation rocks the US Presidential election campaign. | :01:02. | :01:11. | |
If it wasn't bizarre enough, it just got more bizarre. | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
The FBI have reopened their investigation into Hillary Clinton's | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
use of private email servers whilst she was Secretary | :01:17. | :01:18. | |
of State, after the discovery of further emails. | :01:19. | :01:26. | |
Though not on her laptop or even the State Department. | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
Donald Trump is saying that it's bigger than Watergate - | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
so could it swing the election in his favour? | :01:35. | :01:36. | |
We spoke to top US pollster, Frank Luntz. | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
The FBI investigation is happening so late in the election process | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
that it would be very difficult to derail a Clinton victory. | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
That said, if there is one thing that could keep Hillary Clinton | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
from the presidency, it's an FBI investigation. | :01:50. | :01:54. | |
But there's still only four states that really matter, Florida, Ohio, | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
Right now, Clinton has beyond the margin of error leads | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
This would have to have a truly significant impact for the election | :02:03. | :02:09. | |
There is a point about a week ago when I was prepared to say that | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
Clinton had a 95% chance of winning this election. | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
Based on what has happened in the last 48 hours, | :02:22. | :02:28. | |
It is still very likely, but I wouldn't bet on it. | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
I thought the 2000 election would be the best election of my lifetime, | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
And then I thought 2008 would be amazing, because we had two | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
challenger candidates and the first African-American President. | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
It is ugly, it's painful, it is as negative as anything | :02:45. | :02:53. | |
The public is angry, the country, overall, is frustrated. | :02:54. | :02:59. | |
But for entertainment value, these candidates probably should | :03:00. | :03:06. | |
have charged us money, because it's better than any movie | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
at ever seen, it's better than any TV show. | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
That was Frank Luntz. He may be right or wrong about Mrs Clinton | :03:12. | :03:23. | |
still having an 80% chance of winning. I would bet on an 80% | :03:24. | :03:32. | |
chance? Yes, absolutely. I spoke to a high-profile American pollster and | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
strategist last night and he took a rather different view to Frank | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
Luntz. He thought, and I think some other high-profile commentators | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
agree, that this is actually much more serious than some people | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
realise. There are an awful lot of undecided voters out there looking | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
for an excuse to vote Trump. They do not like what they see in either | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
candidate. But because this FBI probe is not going to conclude | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
before the election, the question, the doubt over Hillary Clinton, | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
gives them an excuse to back Trump. The thing that will play on the | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
minds of the voters is, could the 100 day honeymoon turning to the 100 | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
day divorce? Which even be impeached? It may give some people | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
an excuse not to vote for Mrs Clinton. It could provide a problem | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
in terms of energising her base The battle ground almost matters more | :04:28. | :04:35. | |
than the polls. Florida and Pennsylvania have been trending to | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
Mrs Clinton. Mr Trump needs to win both. He does not get in without | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
both. He needs both. Just coming up in the latest BBC News, the | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
Washington Post tracking poll, Mrs Clinton is now only one point ahead | :04:53. | :04:58. | |
in the national poll. One point Even given my caveat that the state | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
battles are most important. That is incredibly close? It is. Polls | :05:04. | :05:09. | |
yesterday showed Trump nationally closing of. -- up. There is a clear | :05:10. | :05:17. | |
trend and movement. This has reinforced everything that people | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
who have a problem with Hillary Clinton know about Hillary Clinton. | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
Trump is running this insurgent campaign. We have seen at here with | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
Brexit. If you are running an insurgent campaign, you want to be | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
against the ultimate establishment insider and that is what Hillary | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
Clinton is. I suggested it was bizarre. Fathoming the behaviour of | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
the FBI is interesting as well. This is a separate investigation into a | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
former congressman, Anthony Wiener, who had done all sorts of things. He | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
seemed to be sex text thing a minor. A 15-year-old girl. The FBI | :05:53. | :06:00. | |
investigate. They get his laptop to see what else he has been too. In | :06:01. | :06:07. | |
the course of that, his wife, now separated, the closest adviser to | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
Hillary Clinton, they find on the laptop e-mails involving the Clinton | :06:12. | :06:20. | |
server to her. And yet the FBI cannot, it needs now a separate | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
warrant to access these e-mails It hasn't got that yet. It has got a | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
warrant to do the congressman e-mails. On the basis of not knowing | :06:31. | :06:37. | |
the content, this has happened. Yeah. Who knows? He is a Republican, | :06:38. | :06:45. | |
this guy. Earlier this year he was being praised to the hilt by | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
Democrats. Absolutely. The timing is a nightmare for her. You described | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
the whole sequence. There is nothing definitive to doubt in this | :06:55. | :07:00. | |
sequence. All he is saying is he has discovered more e-mails in effect. | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
They are from the congressman's former wife. On Anthony Wiener's | :07:07. | :07:13. | |
laptop, which apparently she used sometimes. But what that shows is | :07:14. | :07:20. | |
that for all the scrutiny of modern politicians, they cannot escape | :07:21. | :07:25. | |
caricature. And as Tim was just saying, her weakness is perceived to | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
be secretive, elitism and complacency about that elitism. And | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
so just the announcement of a reopening of the investigation so | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
fuels that caricature, you have just revealed a poll giving her a 1% | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
lead. That must be related to what has happened. It is without a shred | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
of evidence that she has done anything wrong. You can see how | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
because people only see things encourage kids, that is deadly | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
serious. -- in caricature. An American friend of mine said we have | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
got our October surprise but we don't know what it is. The FBI must | :08:06. | :08:12. | |
surely come under massive pressure. It did its -- it did this against | :08:13. | :08:19. | |
the Justice Department. The difficulty the FBI had was that this | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
information, for what it's worth, it came to them. Were they not to have | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
said something and it worked to have come out later, they would have been | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
accused of a massive cover-up. They are dammed if they do, dammed if | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
they don't. There is still time for another surprise. And early November | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
surprise. Who knows if there might still be something that comes out on | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
Donald Trump? This is the first election where I can remember we | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
have had two October surprises already. There are is stuff about | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
tapes knocking around about Donald Trump saying racist things. The | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
Clintons have got a lot of friends. It would be a big surprise if we did | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
not see anything else in the next few days. | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
Just when you think it could not get more interesting, it has. There has | :09:06. | :09:11. | |
been plenty in the papers lately about the Ukip leadership saying | :09:12. | :09:12. | |
unpleasant things about each other. But what about Mr Farage himself? | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
What's he up to? Well, on BBC Two tonight we may | :09:17. | :09:18. | |
find out the answer. Well, I'm led to believe | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
she's very experienced. But I don't think Strictly Come | :09:22. | :09:28. | |
Dancing is for me. That is, unless, of course, | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
you fancy popping a cheeky zero No, I don't think Strictly | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
Come Dancing is for me. Well, you tell Mr Balls he has just | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
lost your programme one viewer. I might have nothing to do these | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
days but, realistically, Well, that wasn't Nigel Farage. It | :09:47. | :10:08. | |
is a BBC comedy on tonight. Nigel Farage gets his life back. A number | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
of runners and riders. Let's come straight down to it. Who would be | :10:14. | :10:19. | |
the next leader of Ukip? Probably Paul Nuttall. He is the favourite. | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
The one who has the backing, not very enthusiastic backing, is Rahim | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
Cassandra. And also Aaron Banks a big donor. The best of a rather weak | :10:30. | :10:40. | |
lot. I think Paul Nuttall should squeak through. I interviewed all | :10:41. | :10:51. | |
three of them this week. Mr Cassandra is a lively character and | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
he knows how to make a few headlines. With a bit of money | :10:55. | :10:58. | |
behind him, anything is possible. This is a guy who has been to the | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
States, who has literally studied what Trump has done. Pees on | :11:02. | :11:13. | |
secondment for the time being. The guy who is his line manager is one | :11:14. | :11:19. | |
of Donald Trump's campaign stop He is extraordinarily right-wing. I am | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
told he kept a picture of Enoch Powell by his bed. Barry Goldwater | :11:23. | :11:31. | |
is one of his heroes, for example. There are other candidates. I would | :11:32. | :11:38. | |
suggest, put out as a hypothesis, Paul Nuttall is Labour's worst | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
nightmare. They are more vulnerable in the North. Paul Nuttall is from | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
Merseyside, a working-class background, performs well on | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
television. He is a really good interviewee. He is one of the best | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
around in politics at the moment. However, I think whoever gets it has | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
a massive task. The clip of this Nigel Farage satire partly shows | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
why. His dominance was overwhelming. He, in many ways, did a brilliant | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
job at keeping the show on the road. The trouble for all new political | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
parties is keeping it going is tough. A very different party, the | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
SDP, with all those glamorous figures in it, lasted eight years, | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
something like that. I think they are in real trouble at the moment | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
because of the implosion we have been seeing in front of our eyes and | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
the ideal -- ideological splits Whoever gets it will face a tough | :12:37. | :12:46. | |
tussle. All three of the main contenders want to put Nigel Farage | :12:47. | :12:48. | |
in the House of Lords. They were falling over themselves to soak up | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
two farads. That is how you win this election. | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
Mr Aaron Banks, who is he putting his money on? He said he supports | :12:58. | :13:04. | |
Rahim. I know Mr Banks is utterly fed with the shenanigans in Ukip. He | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
thinks it is terribly disorganised, dysfunctional and doesn't want a | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
great deal to do with it for the foreseeable future. | :13:14. | :13:15. | |
It is not quite Trump the Clinton but it is interesting. That is it. | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
The Daily Politics is back tomorrow. And all of next week. Jo Coburn will | :13:21. | :13:26. | |
be your next Sunday because I am off to the United States to begin to | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
rehearse presenting the BBC's US election night coverage on the th | :13:31. | :13:37. | |
of November. It will be here on BBC One, BBC | :13:38. | :13:38. | |
world, BBC News Channel and BBC online. | :13:39. | :13:40. | |
Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :13:41. | :14:11. | |
A stone stained with blood and beset with a curse. | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
The Moonstone is of inestimable value in India. | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
Its appointed guardians would move heaven and earth to reclaim it | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
Let us not let the past haunt all of our actions. | :14:23. | :14:30. | |
You've got to do something! It's only you that can! | :14:31. | :14:31. | |
He's a scientist, brilliant apparently. | :14:32. | :14:32. | |
But you may be bringing people over here who did things during the war. | :14:33. | :14:41. | |
I will not work for you. I will not work for the British Government | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
Let us not let the past haunt all of our actions. | :14:47. | :14:51. |