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Morning folks and welcome to The Sunday Politics. | :00:00. | :00:41. | |
David Cameron says a manifesto shouldn't be a "wish list, | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
He says he's been ticking off the commitments his manifesto made, | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
Well, today we launch our own Manifesto Tracker and we'll be | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
talking to the minister responsible for implementing it. | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
The Government wants to crack down on the gender pay gap. | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
But is it really as bad as everyone seems to make out? | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
We'll be talking to TUC General Secretary Frances O'Grady. | :01:03. | :01:08. | |
And we'll be asking who's wooing who | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
in the putative Tory leadership contest? | :01:11. | :01:13. | |
In the capital, after eight years in office, the curtain | :01:14. | :01:23. | |
is coming down on Boris Johnson's mayoralty. | :01:24. | :01:25. | |
He'll be here, to talk about his legacy. | :01:26. | :01:37. | |
And with me, as always, a match made in heaven. | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
Nick Watt, Polly Toynbee and Tim Shipman, | :01:40. | :01:41. | |
who'll be tweeting throughout the programme. | :01:42. | :01:43. | |
First, this morning let's turn to the situation in Syria. | :01:44. | :01:51. | |
A nationwide "cessation of hostilities" is due | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
But, despite that agreement, the prospects for peace | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
The truce does not apply to the battle against what Russia | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
calls terrorist targets and means it will continue its heavy bombing | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
Meanwhile, Turkey has shelled Kurdish positions in Northern Syria | :02:05. | :02:11. | |
and the Turkish Foreign Minister has said his country is pondering | :02:12. | :02:13. | |
This morning, the Foreign Secretary said Russia had to begin complying | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
The situation in Aleppo is extremely worrying, | :02:19. | :02:23. | |
the Russians are using carpet-bombing | :02:24. | :02:25. | |
tactics, indiscriminate bombing of civilian areas | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
Yes, we demand that the Russians comply with their obligations under | :02:29. | :02:35. | |
international law and their obligations under the UN | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
Security Council resolutions that they have signed up to. | :02:39. | :02:48. | |
Nick, you get a feeling that given this deal was signed in Munich, it | :02:49. | :02:55. | |
it is living up to deal is signed in Munich reputations. When we hear the | :02:56. | :03:00. | |
Foreign Secretary saying we demand Russian do something when they are | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
creating facts on the ground and we are not, that will have a hollow | :03:05. | :03:11. | |
ring. Russia is now. President's Asad air force. They have ensured | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
that President Assad cannot lose this war but he cannot also win it. | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
They have the air force but no forces on the ground. Now that | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
President Assad cannot lose this war has changed the dynamics. We can | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
whistle in the wind as much as we like but Russia is the reality and | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
power. Sir Roderick Lyne, the former UK ambassador to Moscow was on radio | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
five this morning and he said we should not get too carried away with | :03:41. | :03:44. | |
quite how powerful Russia is, they don't have troops on the ground | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
they have a faltering economy and they are nervous about going into | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
far because of the disaster of Afghanistan 35 years ago. They do | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
have some troops on the ground, they have proxy forces on the ground from | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
Hezbollah and the uranium National Guard. Although they can't take back | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
the whole of Syria, they will take back enough of it -- Iranians | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
National Guard. Making success in the south, the border with Turkey, | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
controlling the Mediterranean coastline. When they have done that, | :04:15. | :04:19. | |
they might be serious about peace talks. Then they are stuck with it. | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
It is not clear if Vladimir Putin thinks beyond tomorrow. It is not | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
clear what the long-term strategy could do. It could be like the | :04:28. | :04:33. | |
Russian invasion of Afghanistan an absolute disaster. President Assad | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
is saying that they intend to take over the whole of the country, | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
entirely unrealistic. There will be some sort of partition. What is | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
happening is very frightening in the sense that everybody is fighting a | :04:47. | :04:47. | |
proxy war, the Iranians and Saudis. The one thing that people keep | :04:48. | :04:57. | |
saying is Barack Obama was so weak that it is quite unclear what he | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
could have done. Perhaps he could have given Syria's weapons to the | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
more moderate rebels. Hillary Clinton wanted him to do that in | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
July 2012. She put a plan together along with the general and he turned | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
it down. What would have happened is that they would be shooting down | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
Russian planes with American weapons. Or Russia might not have | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
gone to war. We don't know. Everything has a dynamic to it. This | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
dynamic is leaving the west pretty much as onlookers. It is clear that | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
at least in the short-term, Mr Putin will get back enough ground for | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
Assad to then say we have got rid of a lot of these "Terrorists" because | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
they are not Islamic state. It is now asked versus Islamic State. | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
Exactly, we sound like the mouse that squeaked this morning. I | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
disagree with Polly. One of the great powers in the world has now | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
got very involved in a situation and the other hasn't. President Obama | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
had options. He did not explore them to any sort of extent that it put | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
off the Russians. Britain is left on the sidelines, waiting for a new US | :06:06. | :06:15. | |
president, to get engaged in this issue and do something proactive. | :06:16. | :06:17. | |
What could have been done that would have been any use at all? Either | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
useless or worse than useless, stuck us in there... He did say he had | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
chemical weapons and it was an important red Line. And he let them | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
cross the red line. He totally ignored it. What would you have done | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
that would have been useful? You could have set up a humanitarian | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
safe haven and protected it with force and armed the rebels to deter | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
the Russians and make it a situation where Assad could not continue. We | :06:43. | :06:46. | |
now have a situation where Assad is now a fact of life, he is not going | :06:47. | :06:52. | |
anywhere. There is not much you can do without you were serious | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
involvement. I am glad we touched on Syria, it is an important developing | :06:57. | :06:57. | |
story. Now, what's black and white | :06:58. | :06:58. | |
and not read all over? Even if you did read it, | :06:59. | :07:01. | |
would you be able to remember all the promises and whether | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
the Government had delivered them? Today, we're launching our very | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
own Manifesto Tracker, which charts the progress | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
of the pledges Sort of like a blue virtual | :07:14. | :07:15. | |
Edstone, or maybe not! Over the next four years, | :07:16. | :07:18. | |
we'll be monitoring the Government's progress on all of the commitments | :07:19. | :07:26. | |
the Conservatives made ahead of the 2015 general election | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
in their manifesto, and a few big promises they made | :07:30. | :07:33. | |
during the campaign. So, we've identified 161 pledges, | :07:34. | :07:42. | |
and loaded them into our Manifesto We've grouped them into categories | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
covering all the major areas of Government policy, | :07:46. | :07:51. | |
from the constitution And we've given each | :07:52. | :07:53. | |
of the promises a colour rating Red signalling little | :07:54. | :08:00. | |
or no progress so far. Amber when the Government | :08:01. | :08:06. | |
has made some progress. Let's start by looking | :08:07. | :08:08. | |
at the Conservative commitments As you can see they've made at least | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
some progress on all of them. Easily the party's biggest promise | :08:15. | :08:24. | |
here was to hold a referendum on Britain's membership | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
of the EU by December 2017. We've marked that amber, | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
to show that some progress The bill setting the vote has passed | :08:33. | :08:34. | |
through Parliament and it's looking likely the poll will | :08:35. | :08:41. | |
be held this year. The cornerstone of the Conservative | :08:42. | :08:45. | |
election campaign last May was how they would handle the economy, | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
and as you can see, that's where we've found the greatest | :08:48. | :08:52. | |
number of promises. Let's look at one of the policies | :08:53. | :08:59. | |
they identified as part of their plan to | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
eliminate the deficit. That was to reduce the welfare | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
bill by ?12 billion. Again, we've given | :09:06. | :09:10. | |
that an amber rating. The savings were outlined | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
in the Chancellor's Autumn Statement But it's too early to say | :09:14. | :09:15. | |
if they'll all be achieved. When it comes to the constitution, | :09:16. | :09:24. | |
the Government's made some progress But it promised to scrap | :09:25. | :09:26. | |
the Human Rights Act, and replace it That gets a red rating, | :09:27. | :09:35. | |
as although there have been reports something is in the pipeline, | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
as yet there is no sign of the legislation | :09:42. | :09:43. | |
required to introduce it. Some manifesto commitments have | :09:44. | :09:50. | |
already been delivered in full. Like the introduction of English | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
votes for English laws to give English MPs a veto over laws that | :09:55. | :09:56. | |
only affect England. Other changes promised in | :09:57. | :10:05. | |
the manifesto are less well known. Like the promise to recover | :10:06. | :10:08. | |
?500 million from migrants and overseas visitors who use | :10:09. | :10:10. | |
the NHS by the middle We will give that amber, | :10:11. | :10:12. | |
because some new charges have already been introduced, | :10:13. | :10:21. | |
and the Department of Health Let's add on the rest | :10:22. | :10:23. | |
of the promises in each of the policy areas and have a look | :10:24. | :10:30. | |
at how the government Taken together, of the 161 | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
Conservative election commitments, we think ten are red, | :10:34. | :10:41. | |
111 are amber, and 40 are green We'll be returning to the manifesto | :10:42. | :10:50. | |
tracker every few months, but in the meantime you can find | :10:51. | :10:52. | |
the full data on the politics And with us now the Cabinet Office | :10:53. | :10:55. | |
Minister and Paymaster General, Matt Hancock, he oversees | :10:56. | :11:07. | |
the implementation Welcome to the programme, do you | :11:08. | :11:17. | |
regard this manifesto as a contract with the British people and do you | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
intend to intimate it all? It is certainly the commitments on which | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
we were elected. We take it incredibly seriously -- goals to | :11:26. | :11:31. | |
implement it. That is the goal. We have got about a quarter delivered, | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
we have had less than a year. In fact, I really welcome this scrutiny | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
and this project you have been on. We will implement and publish our | :11:41. | :11:47. | |
own plans and make sure that each individual manifesto commitment has | :11:48. | :11:50. | |
an individual minister responsible for delivering it. And publish that. | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
We will nationalise you and this process. You will nationalise us? We | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
can't afford you, probably, but we will do this as a government. Let's | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
see if you still want to do that at the end of this interview. Your | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
manifesto promised to scrap Labour's Human Rights Act and replace it with | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
a British Bill of Rights, and abolition Bill would be drafted | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
within the first hundred days after the election. It didn't happen. Why? | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
The work is in progress. Internally, we will publish it. Why have you not | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
kept to the timetable? The timetable of the whole manifesto is to deliver | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
within the parliament. You said this would be done, the draft bill within | :12:30. | :12:33. | |
the first 100 days. Clearly, we will deliver against the commitment. I | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
thought it was a bit harsh to call that read, I would call that Amber. | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
It is not delivered yet. We called it red because the justice minister, | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
Mr Bove, said the consultation had been delayed yet again. The question | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
is what we deliver over the five-year parliament. -- Mr Gove. We | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
are less than a year in and we have got one quarter delivered and that | :13:00. | :13:01. | |
is one where there is work in progress but we are committed to | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
doing it. The manifesto promised to make the UK's Supreme Court "The | :13:05. | :13:11. | |
ultimate arbiter of human rights in the UK". That will not happen. This | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
is all part of the same package which we have committed to | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
delivering. We are less than a year in and we have a few years to go. | :13:22. | :13:25. | |
Whatever the package, the Supreme Court will not be "The ultimate | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
arbiter" on human rights, will it? That is part of the proposed | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
package, as part of the replacement of the Human Rights Act. We will get | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
to that. There is a bigger picture, which is making sure that we deliver | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
on the overall set of commitments in the manifesto where we are making | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
good progress. But, you can enhance the role of the Cyprian Court on | :13:51. | :13:53. | |
human rights, I understand that Maybe the British Bill of Rights | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
will do their -- Supreme Court. But at the end of the day, the European | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
Court of Human Rights is the ultimate arbiter. That is the | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
factual legal situation. It all depends on the changes that you | :14:06. | :14:09. | |
make. We will bring forward a package of changes to be able to | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
deliver against these commitments in the Parliament. Mr Gove says we are | :14:13. | :14:18. | |
not planning to derogate from the European Court of Human Rights. | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
Let's see what happens when we published the proposals on this | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
particular package. Immigration probably your biggest fail, I would | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
suggest. The 2050 manifesto repeated the pledge in the 2010 manifesto to | :14:30. | :14:33. | |
get annual net migration down to tens of thousands -- 2015. After | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
five years, far from getting it down, net migration reached a record | :14:39. | :14:44. | |
336,000 last year, that is a spectacular failure. Clearly, this | :14:45. | :14:51. | |
is a commitment. To get immigration down to tens of thousands, that | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
remains the goal. But we haven't yet reached it. Presumably you did not | :14:56. | :15:02. | |
call that green. No. It is red. That the commitment remains because we | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
think it is reasonable to control immigration in this country, so that | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
while some immigration can be very good for the economy and more | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
broadly, actually it has got to be done at a reasonable level. | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
It's not just that you didn't get it down enough, it's actually risen | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
since you came to power. Why would you promise what you have failed | :15:24. | :15:27. | |
dismally to deliver again? I think it is a reasonable goal. Clearly we | :15:28. | :15:33. | |
put it in the manifesto for a reason, to get immigration down And | :15:34. | :15:41. | |
we are less than a year into the Parliament and we've got four years | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
to go. Is it a goal or a pledge Do you pledge to the British people | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
today that net migration will be down to the tens of thousands by | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
2020? Well I pledge to fulfil what was in the manifesto on which I and | :15:56. | :15:58. | |
every other Conservative MPs was elected. Well that pledge was to get | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
it down to the tens of thousands. It was meant to be in the tens of | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
thousands by 2015, it is 346,00 , is there a pledge that it will be down | :16:11. | :16:14. | |
to the tens of thousands by 202 ? There is a whole series of actions | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
that we are taking, not least the EU renegotiation to try to tackle | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
immigration and make sure that it's brought down to a reasonable level. | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
Again there is a broader point, of the 160 odd commitments that you are | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
measuring, delivering an accord of them, of course some are quicker | :16:34. | :16:36. | |
than others to deliver on, it's fair to say. But the whole point of | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
having the manifesto and tracking it as we are doing is to make sure we | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
know where we are up to. Lets come onto the European negotiations, that | :16:46. | :16:52. | |
was in the manifesto. The manifesto promised several key things in the | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
renegotiation, a four-year ban on EU migrants claiming in work benefits, | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
a new residency requirement for social housing, and no child benefit | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
for EU migrants if their children live abroad. The draft deal contains | :17:07. | :17:12. | |
none of these things. Well, firstly, as you say, the centrepiece of our | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
European policy was to have the referendum, and we will be having | :17:19. | :17:22. | |
the referendum. Although you call that Amber it is certainly going to | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
happen. I understand that but none of the things you said we would get | :17:26. | :17:28. | |
to vote on in this referendum have been delivered. We then sat out -- | :17:29. | :17:38. | |
set out what we wanted to negotiate and that negotiation is not | :17:39. | :17:41. | |
complete. We have a lot of work to do this week to get the best | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
possible deal we can. I hope we will have a good deal and be able to vote | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
to stay in a reformed Europe. There is a version of the ban on EU | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
migrants benefits, there is not no child benefits, now there will be 28 | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
different child benefits that Britain will pay but there is no | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
mention of residency requirement for social housing, no mention of that | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
in the deal, so that has gone? Look, we don't know the outcome of this | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
negotiation until the end of this week. There is a week of hard work | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
to get the deal. But there is a bigger picture here. Social housing | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
is not on the agenda? Let's see what we get in this deal over the next | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
week. But there's a bigger point here, which is that we said we'd | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
have the renegotiation, lots and lots of people said you are never | :18:34. | :18:35. | |
going to get these things on the table. A question of in work | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
benefits, child benefit, we were told you couldn't even put that on | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
the agenda. The discussion in Europe this week is exactly how far we go | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
on those. People said that we couldn't deliver anything in this | :18:50. | :18:52. | |
space and we've managed to deliver already the draft deal, and we will | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
see where we end up. But not what was in the manifesto. We will see | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
where we end up at the end of this week. We will indeed. Not | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
necessarily next week but in the weeks ahead we will be coming back | :19:05. | :19:08. | |
to go through this. Onto the economy, you put in place a charter | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
for budget responsibility which commits you to running a surplus, a | :19:13. | :19:17. | |
legal obligation as well as a policy. The in situ for fiscal | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
studies says that will require tax rises or spending cuts as yet | :19:22. | :19:23. | |
unannounced, do you agree? Not in the latest financial forecast put | :19:24. | :19:29. | |
out by the office for budget responsible to who independently | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
advise on these, and we have a budget in just over a month's time | :19:33. | :19:35. | |
so we will see what the figures say, then. Clearly in the latest forecast | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
from the government, yes, we have that surplus. You have not hit a | :19:40. | :19:47. | |
surplus. We have hit it in the forecast. And they change. They do, | :19:48. | :19:53. | |
as the economy changes. On that economic front there was an awful | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
lot in the manifesto on that, it is all about economic security, | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
generating jobs, in the same way that the national Security ones were | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
all about national security. And those were the two elements at the | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
heart of this manifesto that we were elected on. I would say that we are | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
delivering very strongly on both. In terms of the big picture of what you | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
are getting from the message that we said we were going to deliver. Let | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
me come down to the smaller but still very important picture. You | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
have a legal obligation to reach a surplus by 2020. If, to reach that | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
surplus, you had to raise taxes would you? Look, much as I'd love | :20:31. | :20:36. | |
to, I'm not going to set out tax policy on Sunday morning. To meet | :20:37. | :20:42. | |
the legal obligation, if it required tax increases, would there be tax | :20:43. | :20:45. | |
increases? We've set out the plans and the plans hit a surplus. We did | :20:46. | :20:48. | |
that in the Autumn Statement in November. Clearly the economy | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
changes all the time, internationally, people have seen | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
falls in the stock market in the last few months. But we will have a | :20:58. | :21:03. | |
budget in more than a month's time. But I voted to have that surplus and | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
that is clearly what we will set out to do. You promised a lower tax | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
society. Yes. Yet on the forecast, the overall tax burden is rising as | :21:14. | :21:19. | |
a percentage of GDP and on the forecast, not the buoyancy but extra | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
tax that you have introduced will be ?50 billion higher. So you have | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
previous on this, you could raise taxes again because you already | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
have? Clearly there are some areas where we have tightened things up, | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
especially on tax avoidance. We took an extra ?5 billion from tax | :21:37. | :21:43. | |
avoidance measures. And what about the billions in addition to that? We | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
have reduced the tax burden especially on people in lower wage | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
jobs, they are going to get the national minimum wage but we are | :21:52. | :21:54. | |
well on the way to the manifesto commitment of making sure you don't | :21:55. | :21:57. | |
have to pay any income taxed until you make ?12,500. We have made | :21:58. | :22:04. | |
progress but there is more to do. The manifesto talks about reducing | :22:05. | :22:08. | |
the tax relief on pension contributions for people earning | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
more than ?150,000, people on 4 %, the highest income tax band, you are | :22:14. | :22:20. | |
going to cut tax relief on their pension contributions. If you were | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
to also cut the tax relief of those on the 40% rate, that would be | :22:25. | :22:31. | |
breaching the manifesto? There we've done what we said we would do in the | :22:32. | :22:34. | |
manifesto. We've followed the manifesto clearly in terms of the | :22:35. | :22:40. | |
commitment that it made. Outside the manifesto there's always going to be | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
other things that you do. On pension tax review were explicit that it | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
would be those in the 45% wouldn't get it, you didn't mention any other | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
bracket, the imprecation is that it's only the 45%. If you took away | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
tax relief from the 40% taxpayers that would be broken manifesto | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
commitment? That's not how I see it, you can add things to the manifesto. | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
Look at the whole reform programme a massive reform programme which was | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
not in our manifesto because we ve built it up as a proposal since | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
then. Likewise the Prime Ministerspeech on social mobility | :23:15. | :23:22. | |
and an tackling an just inequalities -- an just inequalities. We've done | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
a huge amount of that on the autumn. Delivering on the manifesto | :23:28. | :23:34. | |
commitments is absolutely essential. But it is not the only thing you do | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
in government because you respond to events. But the purpose of this | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
interview is to hold your manifesto to account. Hunting, when will you | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
give Parliament the chance to repeal the hunting act. We are committed to | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
doing that. When? In this Parliament. We looked at doing it | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
early on. You dropped that. We decided not to do it then, but we | :23:56. | :24:00. | |
are committed to its. You set a target of ?1 trillion of exports by | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
2020, most forecasters including your own oh BR say you will be at | :24:05. | :24:12. | |
least ?350 billion short. Can we agree that you will not hit that | :24:13. | :24:15. | |
target? It's fair to say that it is stretching target, but it remains | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
our target, our aspiration. But you will miss it. There is an awful lot | :24:22. | :24:29. | |
of work going into achieving it Thank you for that, come back and we | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
will see the progress in the months ahead. Look forward to it. | :24:33. | :24:34. | |
And remember if you want to see how the government is doing | :24:35. | :24:37. | |
in detail our manifesto tracker is available for you to peruse | :24:38. | :24:39. | |
On Friday, new measures to tackle the pay gap between genders | :24:40. | :24:47. | |
From 2018, companies with more than 250 employees will have | :24:48. | :24:57. | |
to publish the differences in salary between men and women. | :24:58. | :24:59. | |
Businesses failing to address the problem will be named | :25:00. | :25:01. | |
Here's what Women and Equalities Minister Nicky Morgan had to say. | :25:02. | :25:06. | |
Transparency about the gender pay gap in companies and public sector | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
organisations is going to be very important in driving behaviour. | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
So we are going to require companies, under the regulations, | :25:16. | :25:18. | |
companies of over 250 employees to publish their gender pay gap | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
We, as a government, will then compile those league tables. | :25:22. | :25:30. | |
It will be two fold, one, companies will hopefully, | :25:31. | :25:32. | |
and we expect from the response we have, | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
to think a lot harder about where women are in their workforce. | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
How they are distributed, what they are being paid. | :25:40. | :25:41. | |
But it will also drive applications to work in certain | :25:42. | :25:43. | |
organisations because I think women will look and see what is the gender | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
pay gap in this organisation and is this somewhere | :25:48. | :25:49. | |
And with us now, General Secretary of the TUC, Frances O'Grady. | :25:50. | :25:53. | |
Welcome back. We know there is a gender pay gap. In some age groups, | :25:54. | :26:01. | |
not all, but still in some age groups. Where is the evidence that | :26:02. | :26:05. | |
it is a result of dissemination of employers not paying properly, as | :26:06. | :26:12. | |
opposed to lifestyle and choices? We still do have this pretty crazy | :26:13. | :26:20. | |
situation where women have Giroud and 80p for everyone pound that men | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
do across the economy. -- where women earn 80p for every pound that | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
men do. This is a welcome step, this initiative, but it is a very small | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
step. It is about reporting, not about telling us why this is going | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
on, not coming up with actions to deal with it. When you dig down from | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
the headline figure, and you have just used one, you begin to see some | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
quite deep-seated cultural issues, not just a matter of economics. The | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
labour market study shows that men tend to work in occupations that pay | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
more, that's been a historic thing. And women in jobs that pay less For | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
example men in construction, women in retail. Men in computer | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
programming, women in nursing. That is one of the explanations for the | :27:02. | :27:06. | |
page gap. There is certainly still big job separation, but one of the | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
questions we must ask is, is it case of equal values? People paying for | :27:13. | :27:18. | |
the work of equal value. It is illegal to pay anybody less than a | :27:19. | :27:25. | |
man is getting or vice versa, equal pay for equal jobs. For example why | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
is looking after children considered to be less valuable than mending a | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
car? The problem is, in order for women to prove it, they've got to be | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
able to take employment tribunal claims, and of course we've seen | :27:40. | :27:41. | |
this government introduce very significant fees that have massively | :27:42. | :27:47. | |
reduced the number of women being able to take pay and six | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
dissemination claims. Is on the gender pay gap really a generational | :27:53. | :27:56. | |
matter, and it might be resolving itself? I'd like to show you this | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
chart, here, which looks at different age groups. For women aged | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
40 to 49, there is a gap, it's coming down but there is still a | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
substantial gap. For younger women in the 22 to 29, there is no pay | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
gap, indeed there is some evidence now that the gender pay gap is the | :28:15. | :28:17. | |
other way among younger people than it is amongst men. What I think it | :28:18. | :28:25. | |
shows you is that the real problem kicks in when women have babies | :28:26. | :28:30. | |
Yes. That's when women are much more likely to work part-time, much more | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
likely to need nurseries, and as we get older and we are looking after | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
elderly parents, too. Elder care as well. Some of those public service | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
cuts are hitting our sure start centres and care for the elderly. I | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
think you hit on something, there. You can begin to see the return of | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
the gender pay gap as women hit their late 20s or early 30s, because | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
the average age that women have their first child is 28 and a half. | :28:58. | :29:02. | |
So that suggests that the policy response will have to be quite | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
sophisticated to get rid of a later developing pay gap. Stopping cuts on | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
this is would help but also helping dads as well. A lot of men nowadays | :29:12. | :29:15. | |
want to be more involved with their children but they need more paid | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
paternity to be able to do that I want to show you another chart that | :29:20. | :29:25. | |
suggests there are developers. This shows you a figure that is not | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
widely known, there are now every year 100,000 more women applying for | :29:32. | :29:35. | |
university than men. 100,000 more. Women from poor backgrounds are 50% | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
more likely to go to university than men. Women now take most of the | :29:42. | :29:46. | |
first in medicine and law, two professions that are pretty well | :29:47. | :29:51. | |
paid. Again, isn't this sense that, even in the later years, now, the | :29:52. | :29:56. | |
gender pay gap could begin to resolve itself? | :29:57. | :29:59. | |
I really hope so the TUC analysis shows that at this rate of change it | :30:00. | :30:07. | |
would take another 45 years. No I looked at these figures. Frances | :30:08. | :30:13. | |
O'Grady, you took one year of the pay gap, which strode it came down | :30:14. | :30:20. | |
by 0.2%. Dodt which showed. If you had taken the last ten years it | :30:21. | :30:25. | |
still takes too long but it is not 47 years, that was a propaganda | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
figure. You can't do a trend on one year. Most people agree we need bold | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
action to change it. Given we have agreed that it is a complicated | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
picture and now becomes an issue primarily for women who have taken | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
time off and then go back into the workforce again, get me one thing | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
that the government could do that would stop this gender pay gap | :30:48. | :30:52. | |
re-emerging in their 30s and 40s? Stop cuts to nurseries. Provide a | :30:53. | :30:57. | |
proper system of care for old people, that allows women and men to | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
combine those caring responsibilities with a responsible | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
job. That is what would really make... I can see how it would help. | :31:06. | :31:09. | |
It is about progression and people feeling they can go for that | :31:10. | :31:12. | |
promotion or training course that would get them a better job. And | :31:13. | :31:17. | |
having the confidence to do it, that their life won't fall apart if they | :31:18. | :31:22. | |
tried. If the TUC wanted to be ahead of the curve, should you not now be | :31:23. | :31:26. | |
giving a lot more attention to the growing underperformance of young | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
males, particularly from poorer backgrounds in education and the | :31:32. | :31:34. | |
workforce? That is a looming problem. Believe you me, we do, we | :31:35. | :31:41. | |
do. We've been fighting very hard for not just more apprenticeships | :31:42. | :31:44. | |
but real quality apprenticeships. Equal opportunities for all. That | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
would help. There are a lot of young men who want to be as involved in | :31:50. | :31:53. | |
bringing up their children as their partners do. Why doesn't the TUC | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
practice what it preaches when it comes to gender equality? Only three | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
of the largest ten unions are led by women even though most unions have a | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
female majority membership. Being a national offices in the unions are | :32:08. | :32:10. | |
lower than the percentage of the night union members. Eight out of | :32:11. | :32:16. | |
ten. And seven out of ten unions have women where they are | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
significantly underrepresented on the national executive. Of the TUC | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
delegation is. Even though women are majority membership. As you know, | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
the picture has changed dramatically over the last few years. We do just | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
have three in ten union leaders elected on average. That is a big | :32:33. | :32:38. | |
change, it is a lot better than the board room and a hell of a lot | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
better than many sat around the Cabinet table. It is still not that | :32:43. | :32:52. | |
great. 74% female membership. Only 70% full time. 75% TUC delegation | :32:53. | :33:01. | |
and only 28 on the TUC. Led by a woman general secretary. You have a | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
way to go. For the first time in history it is 50-50. We are | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
committed. We want to work with businesses who want to make that | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
change. I am delighted to say. He loves unions. Thank you. | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
It's just gone 11:30am, you're watching the Sunday Politics. | :33:19. | :33:20. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland who leave us now | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
Coming up here in 20 minutes, The Week Ahead. | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
First though, the Sunday Politics where you are. | :33:27. | :33:36. | |
Few gave him much hope eight years ago but he won twice. | :33:37. | :33:44. | |
And as the curtain comes down, how does he think he did? | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
To help us mark his card, Tania Mathias, Conservative | :33:48. | :33:55. | |
MP for Twickenham, and Keir Starmer, Labour MP | :33:56. | :33:57. | |
I want to start with a quick word about the Met Commissioner, | :33:58. | :34:02. | |
He's got only a one-year extension to his contract. | :34:03. | :34:07. | |
At the same time he's just asked a judge to look at how the Met has | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
been dealing with historical sex abuse enquiries. | :34:11. | :34:15. | |
Are these things connected, do you think this has cast | :34:16. | :34:17. | |
I wouldn't say it's cast a shadow until that has been investigated. | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
For me the one-year makes a lot of sense because of the mayoral | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
It gives a new incoming mayor an ability to legitimise Bernard | :34:26. | :34:35. | |
Yeah, I think the relationship between the mayor and | :34:36. | :34:38. | |
the commissioner is a really important one, | :34:39. | :34:40. | |
and it makes sense for the incoming mayor to have the chance to look | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
But I worked with Bernard when I was Director of Public | :34:44. | :34:49. | |
I think on the big things in London he has done | :34:50. | :35:02. | |
Does it look to you, though, that he's had to bring in this judge | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
to look at the way they do things, and has also raised questions | :35:07. | :35:09. | |
about whether we regard victims or their accounts in the same way, | :35:10. | :35:12. | |
I think we should always look at any issue such as this. | :35:13. | :35:19. | |
Check the way things have been done, get somebody to look independently | :35:20. | :35:21. | |
With victims we veer from one side of the road to the other. | :35:22. | :35:28. | |
We've been doing this for years and we've got to be careful not | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
to steer and oversteer the whole time. | :35:32. | :35:33. | |
What's your observation been about how this has become | :35:34. | :35:39. | |
And this sense that he should be apologising to people? | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
Well, apologies are always difficult for any investigation. | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
If we were to apologise every time someone was investigated and not | :35:49. | :35:51. | |
charged, there would have had to have been an apology | :35:52. | :35:54. | |
to Jimmy Savile, because of course he was investigated and not charged. | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
I don't think many people would be comfortable with the idea that, | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
as a general rule, when somebody is investigated and not charged | :36:03. | :36:05. | |
they should be entitled to an apology. | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
If of course it transpires that something went wrong | :36:12. | :36:14. | |
with a particular investigation then of course there should | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
But I don't think it should follow as a rule that | :36:19. | :36:25. | |
if there is an investigation that does not lead to a charge, | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
I'm sure Bernard, if the review says in this case something went wrong, | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
You said it was important for the mayoralty, but do you think | :36:35. | :36:39. | |
this has cast a shadow over his tenure? | :36:40. | :36:40. | |
No, I think people will judge him on crime generally for London, | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
and the good results that London has had. | :36:44. | :36:45. | |
But also what I was wondering on the apology was, can you not then | :36:46. | :36:49. | |
acknowledge people's experience their hurt, without legally saying | :36:50. | :36:51. | |
He has actually expressed regret, I think. | :36:52. | :37:03. | |
It is a huge strain on anybody investigating circumstances | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
like that, and you can and we should acknowledge it. | :37:08. | :37:09. | |
If someone is in charge they are entitled to be treated | :37:10. | :37:12. | |
But I just think the general rule or feeling should be that an apology | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
is trouble some, because do we really think Jimmy Savile should | :37:18. | :37:22. | |
We would be talking about whether it was appropriate. | :37:23. | :37:29. | |
We must move on because we have a lot to get through. | :37:30. | :37:32. | |
Soon there will be a new narrative taking hold at City Hall, | :37:33. | :37:35. | |
and we'll be saying farewell to Boris Johnson. | :37:36. | :37:37. | |
If he was seriously underestimated at the beginning, is used his two | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
victories and time at City Hall to turn round his own political | :37:42. | :37:44. | |
fortunes, and who knows what comes next. | :37:45. | :37:46. | |
As an enthusiast of the ancient world, Boris Johnson will be well | :37:47. | :37:56. | |
acquainted with the British Museum, home to many of antiquity's finest | :37:57. | :37:59. | |
treasures, including this, the statue thought to have inspired | :38:00. | :38:01. | |
which reflects on how great men are seen through history. | :38:02. | :38:12. | |
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings. | :38:13. | :38:15. | |
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
Now Boris Johnson has just 12 weeks left as Mayor of London. | :38:20. | :38:22. | |
So the question now really is this, when people look back | :38:23. | :38:24. | |
through history at his eight years running London, | :38:25. | :38:26. | |
will they judge him as a man of monumental achievements, | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
or just another bloke forgotten in the sands of time? | :38:31. | :38:41. | |
There's no question that in office he's made many Londoners laugh. | :38:42. | :38:44. | |
Others feel a little better about living in what he likes | :38:45. | :38:46. | |
The skyline has been transformed, the Olympics hosted, | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
and the city left with cable cars, bikes, buses and cycle lanes. | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
But according to Sarah Sands, editor of the Boris-supporting | :38:55. | :38:56. | |
Evening Standard, a vital part was neglected in this flurry | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
He was the one who said this was going to be this great city | :39:03. | :39:09. | |
this magnet, the population was going to grow to ten million | :39:10. | :39:12. | |
And actually he's been very good at planning for it in transport | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
terms, he's been a great champion of Crossrail and getting | :39:18. | :39:19. | |
On housing I think in principle he's been for it, but Boris isn't that | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
And I think housing is so much about process. | :39:24. | :39:31. | |
So when taking in the good and the bad, what might his | :39:32. | :39:34. | |
We asked political cartoonist Martin Rowson for his impression. | :39:35. | :39:37. | |
I portrayed him in this classical pose as a mixture between Pericles | :39:38. | :39:40. | |
and Achilles, crowning himself with a crown of laurel leaves, | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
And behind him you can see these two people saying, | :39:44. | :39:53. | |
"Don't know, and will never get through the cycle lane | :39:54. | :39:57. | |
Think that more or less sums up Boris's legacy. | :39:58. | :40:04. | |
This week the mayor announced three new cycle superhighways, | :40:05. | :40:06. | |
but interestingly the Conservative candidate for mayor this year, | :40:07. | :40:08. | |
Zac Goldsmith, said that he'd consider ripping them all up. | :40:09. | :40:15. | |
Certainly the last few weeks in office will be ones | :40:16. | :40:17. | |
in which he can help secure a legacy, but also of course put | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
down some interesting challenges for his successor. | :40:21. | :40:22. | |
So by announcing things now, it makes it slightly more difficult | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
than if they hadn't been announced, for his successor now to pull back | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
from them if they choose not to do something. | :40:29. | :40:37. | |
The introduction of the night tube is also uncertain. | :40:38. | :40:39. | |
There has been resistance from trade unions, and while once it was due | :40:40. | :40:42. | |
to start in September it may now be the legacy of some future mayor | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
The Garden Bridge, though, may not even have that luxury. | :40:47. | :40:48. | |
Mired in controversy over the procurement process, | :40:49. | :40:50. | |
this week the Royal Institute of British Architects said that | :40:51. | :40:53. | |
And according to Kevin Craig, a local Labour councillor | :40:54. | :40:59. | |
in Lambeth, it's 50/50 whether the project will go | :41:00. | :41:01. | |
There is every chance that the Garden Bridge will not be | :41:02. | :41:08. | |
The project is in doubt, the funding is not secured, | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
and with every day that passes as we approach the end of Boris s | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
reign, more voices come out and say the process the bridge was procured | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
by is flawed, and needs to be done again. | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
So while there may not be much time left, there is still plenty | :41:22. | :41:24. | |
Boris Johnson could do to determine how his legacy is set in stone. | :41:25. | :41:33. | |
And Boris Johnson is here, and welcome to you. | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
Not mentioned there, but one really big legacy question, | :41:38. | :41:39. | |
can you tell the city Corporation, all the London business | :41:40. | :41:42. | |
organisations, that you are ready to recommend staying in the EU, | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
Whatever happens, I think what you could say is that under | :41:46. | :41:53. | |
this mayoralty, London is by far and away the economic powerhouse | :41:54. | :41:56. | |
It's the commercial, financial, cultural, | :41:57. | :42:03. | |
Last year London had 18.8 million visitors, we knocked Paris | :42:04. | :42:16. | |
off number one spot, New York. | :42:17. | :42:23. | |
As you saw in the bit about housing, it's the only city in Europe | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
where the population has been growing so fast, | :42:28. | :42:28. | |
the demand to live in London is so high, that that's really | :42:29. | :42:31. | |
You remember back when I started out, they are having | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
mayoral hustings now, when I did hustings back in 200 , | :42:38. | :42:39. | |
We had to respond to the demand for housing in London. | :42:40. | :42:47. | |
Contrary to what Sarah said in that otherwise excellent film, | :42:48. | :42:49. | |
Housing in one moment, but one last thing, commentators | :42:50. | :42:56. | |
are saying you haven't got the courage to put | :42:57. | :42:58. | |
Can you just clarify what your position will be? | :42:59. | :43:13. | |
I can tell you that I'm going to wait until the Prime Minister | :43:14. | :43:16. | |
does his deal and I will then come off the fence. | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
Whatever happens you will hear a lot from me. | :43:23. | :43:24. | |
The salient point is this, that London is now | :43:25. | :43:29. | |
People thinking about Britain in Europe, Britain out of Europe, | :43:30. | :43:32. | |
should recognise that a lot of the investment we attract now | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
is from places outside the EU, export increasingly outside the EU. | :43:36. | :43:43. | |
I think a lot of good reasons to be positive about Europe | :43:44. | :43:53. | |
Does it not cast a really big shadow? | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
Do you not feel pangs, do you not feel bad that this | :44:00. | :44:02. | |
housing crisis has got worse, and it has got worse on your watch? | :44:03. | :44:05. | |
Well, I mean, I think, as I said earlier on, | :44:06. | :44:07. | |
the struggle to find housing in London is obviously something | :44:08. | :44:10. | |
that is very important for huge numbers of people. | :44:11. | :44:16. | |
What I would say in defence of what we've tried to do, | :44:17. | :44:19. | |
we have built a record number of affordable homes. | :44:20. | :44:21. | |
I can see that Keir is bubbling with a question. | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
It's all right, he will come in in a minute. | :44:26. | :44:27. | |
Let me give you an example, which is the First Steps scheme | :44:28. | :44:32. | |
where we've built 52,000 homes and got Londoners into family | :44:33. | :44:34. | |
properties very often where the average household income | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
of people who have bought those homes is ?37,000 a year. | :44:39. | :44:49. | |
That, for two people, does not seem to me to be bad. | :44:50. | :44:54. | |
If you are saying that the challenge is huge, and we should be | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
doing more, then yes I perfectly accept that. | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
But what we are doing is putting in the transport infrastructure that | :45:05. | :45:07. | |
will liberate those brownfield sites. | :45:08. | :45:09. | |
Frankly I have just cycled here from City Hall, | :45:10. | :45:13. | |
I looked around at the cranes, there has never been a period | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
of building like this in London in my memory. | :45:19. | :45:20. | |
When people look back at your mayoralty do you think | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
people will think that you have grappled really hard | :45:26. | :45:29. | |
with these housing issues, and you have come up with anything | :45:30. | :45:31. | |
I do, and I think you will see that the plans we put in place | :45:32. | :45:40. | |
with the housing zones, with the First Steps schemes, | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
with continuing to drive forward new affordable housing, | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
low-cost homes, on sites that nobody thought could be got away. | :45:50. | :45:52. | |
Look at Battersea, Vauxhall, Battersea, everybody complains | :45:53. | :46:00. | |
and says it all for rich foreigners, that's not true, there is plenty | :46:01. | :46:03. | |
None of that would have been possible. | :46:04. | :46:10. | |
The only affordable housing approved there is for people on ?45,000, | :46:11. | :46:12. | |
Look at what's happening in Greenwich. | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
You almost introduced him a second ago, let's bring him in. | :46:17. | :46:25. | |
I have family after family who are in council accommodation, | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
housing association accommodation, where there is massive | :46:31. | :46:36. | |
overcrowding, usually mum, dad, two or three kids, | :46:37. | :46:39. | |
with one bedroom, and that crisis of housing has not got better. | :46:40. | :46:42. | |
I can totally understand that, but what has happened in London | :46:43. | :46:49. | |
since I have been mayor is the population has actually | :46:50. | :46:52. | |
And it's going to keep rising, and that is because of | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
Why didn't we prepare, you are asking? | :46:58. | :47:11. | |
Actually we did prepare but what you can't count | :47:12. | :47:14. | |
for is the fantastic success of the city. | :47:15. | :47:24. | |
We are now seeing building at scale and pace. | :47:25. | :47:26. | |
People are telling you in Twickenham that generations of young people's | :47:27. | :47:33. | |
hopes have been dashed, and it's happened under this mayor. | :47:34. | :47:36. | |
We don't have that in Twickenham actually. | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
It is interesting what you are saying about people | :47:41. | :47:42. | |
Because in my area, the council realised people want to live | :47:43. | :47:50. | |
and stay in the area, so it's actually the local planning | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
made it family homes, so we are trying to minimise | :47:54. | :47:56. | |
They are certainly not affordable in that neck of the woods. | :47:57. | :48:03. | |
Exactly what you said, Boris, when you first were in hustings | :48:04. | :48:12. | |
It is now the main issue of all the hustings | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
It is the main issue as a new MP with your party parliamentary group. | :48:18. | :48:24. | |
And I think there will be, and this is the good thing, | :48:25. | :48:28. | |
a cross-party way of addressing London's needs. | :48:29. | :48:31. | |
For me the main thing is key workers, keeping people | :48:32. | :48:33. | |
You will be seen, won't you, as a cycling mayor? | :48:34. | :48:39. | |
A mayor who has done so much to promote cycling. | :48:40. | :48:42. | |
Don't think you would have said that a few years ago. | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
We've watched it stuttering, haven't we? | :48:49. | :48:54. | |
You've arrived very late to what people seem to be saying | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
in terms of cycling is working well, do you regret that you clearly | :48:59. | :49:01. | |
didn't think this through to begin with or you didn't have | :49:02. | :49:04. | |
Cycling has more or less doubled since I've been mayor and I do think | :49:05. | :49:10. | |
it's a wonderful thing about living in London. | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
It makes it a much better place to live in, move around in. | :49:16. | :49:18. | |
We are seeing huge numbers of people cycle who never thought | :49:19. | :49:20. | |
People who are vulnerable cyclists who maybe had been scared before. | :49:21. | :49:24. | |
Now I think what you are saying is, could the initial cycle superhighway | :49:25. | :49:33. | |
Could you have succeeded in achieving your 12 superhighways? | :49:34. | :49:40. | |
Could it have protected a lot more cyclists who got hurt? | :49:41. | :49:43. | |
I think we've learnt an awful lot along the way. | :49:44. | :49:45. | |
London is a very old city with very constricted road space. | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
As Martin Rowson was saying in his cartoon bit, people | :49:51. | :49:52. | |
are complaining about the delays caused by the cycle superhighway. | :49:53. | :49:58. | |
I assure you all my friends in Parliament are so cross with me, | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
There will come an end to these roadworks. | :50:02. | :50:05. | |
And then you will have fantastic segregated cycle superhighways. | :50:06. | :50:12. | |
What I really hope is that the future mayor, | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
whoever he or she may be, continues that programme | :50:17. | :50:18. | |
of investment in cycle safety and improving London's roads. | :50:19. | :50:20. | |
It would be a disaster if we were to have a mayor | :50:21. | :50:26. | |
who were to take ?2 billion out of London's transport budgets that | :50:27. | :50:28. | |
could otherwise be spent on great projects for the infrastructure | :50:29. | :50:31. | |
What do you say looking ahead about how you have left future | :50:32. | :50:38. | |
transport investment, given that you have not been able | :50:39. | :50:47. | |
to persuade the Chancellor, George Osborne, to reverse | :50:48. | :50:49. | |
the decision to cut ?3 billion over the next four or five years | :50:50. | :50:52. | |
in investment, what happened there and why did you fail on that? | :50:53. | :50:55. | |
I had TFL in yesterday afternoon going through the whole thing, | :50:56. | :50:57. | |
every single one of our major infrastructure projects we can | :50:58. | :51:00. | |
But how did you fail on that so fundamentally, on that money | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
Don't forget, when I came in as mayor we had the worst | :51:06. | :51:08. | |
financial crunch the city has seen for 50 years, | :51:09. | :51:10. | |
Crossrail itself was on the block, they were going to chop Crossrail. | :51:11. | :51:13. | |
We've got it now coming in on time and on budget. | :51:14. | :51:18. | |
This Chancellor, this Conservative government is actually now | :51:19. | :51:20. | |
about to go ahead with Crossrail Two, which will be | :51:21. | :51:22. | |
You raise the issue about a future Labour mayor, some kind of black | :51:23. | :51:29. | |
hole which you and other Conservative colleagues are talking | :51:30. | :51:32. | |
about, it brings us nicely to look at the rest of the news in 60 | :51:33. | :51:39. | |
seconds which begins with a relevant item. | :51:40. | :51:44. | |
The controversy continues over Labour mayoral candidate | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
Sadiq Khan's promise to freeze transport fares for four years. | :51:50. | :51:51. | |
He says it will cost just ?452 million, a claim that had been | :51:52. | :51:54. | |
publicly contradicted by Transport for London, | :51:55. | :51:56. | |
who circulated a figure of ?1.9 billion. | :51:57. | :52:00. | |
This week however transport for London Commissioner Mike Brown | :52:01. | :52:02. | |
publicly confirmed that the cost would be less, as their figure | :52:03. | :52:04. | |
was based on a five-year period not the four-year length | :52:05. | :52:07. | |
Staying with transport, and the transport union the RMT this | :52:08. | :52:18. | |
week suspended two Tube strikes over the safety of maintenance | :52:19. | :52:20. | |
staff and shift changes to track patrol workers. | :52:21. | :52:23. | |
However there remain six further 24-hour strikes planned over | :52:24. | :52:25. | |
Drivers using Tower Bridge will be encouraged to stop idling | :52:26. | :52:29. | |
and switch their engines off when the bridge is opening to help | :52:30. | :52:32. | |
lower emissions and boost air quality. | :52:33. | :52:37. | |
The scheme is jointly funded by Southwark, | :52:38. | :52:39. | |
Tower Hamlets and the Mayor of London. | :52:40. | :52:46. | |
Keir Starmer, are Sadiq Khan's plans feasible? | :52:47. | :52:56. | |
Will they deny TFL much-needed income? | :52:57. | :52:57. | |
I think most Londoners would say that their fares have gone up | :52:58. | :53:02. | |
It is becoming a significant part of their take-home pay to get | :53:03. | :53:08. | |
So he is absolutely right to introduce a freeze. | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
Obviously there is an argument about the numbers but he is right | :53:14. | :53:16. | |
I think what you had yesterday from Mike Brown at TFL was a clear | :53:17. | :53:21. | |
confirmation that it is a ?1.9 billion cost over the business plan. | :53:22. | :53:24. | |
You made the decision not to raise fares, so by not raising fares, | :53:25. | :53:30. | |
You didn't raise them 1% above inflation, which is what TFL | :53:31. | :53:40. | |
wanted, so you yourself have denied them income and you are accusing him | :53:41. | :53:43. | |
On the contrary, we had a very steady fares system. | :53:44. | :53:46. | |
What we haven't done is gone in promising cuts and then lurching | :53:47. | :53:49. | |
If you haven't given TFL 1% above inflation | :53:50. | :53:55. | |
which they thought they were going to get for three | :53:56. | :53:58. | |
years, you have denied them that money as well. | :53:59. | :54:00. | |
If you go ahead with what the Labour candidate is promising in classic | :54:01. | :54:06. | |
Livingstonian form, and by the way he has yet to rule out | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
that he is going to bring back Ken... | :54:12. | :54:13. | |
He is offering a fares cut that will be unaffordable for London | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
and will lead to us having to cut staff. | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
People commuting from Twickenham will not want to be paying huge 1% | :54:23. | :54:25. | |
What people in Twickenham need and I very much hope TFL take | :54:26. | :54:36. | |
over our services, what we need is more regular services. | :54:37. | :54:39. | |
That has been one of the legacies, and we need that in our area, | :54:40. | :54:42. | |
They are much more likely to get that, if I may say so, | :54:43. | :54:49. | |
with a Conservative mayor, working with the government | :54:50. | :54:51. | |
in a cooperative way to deliver better train services. | :54:52. | :54:53. | |
Keir Starmer, try and encapsulate if you can, how do you think he has | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
I think Boris is Boris, he is a one-off. | :54:58. | :55:02. | |
We touched on the major issue which is housing, | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
and housing for people in mine and many constituencies simply don't | :55:08. | :55:15. | |
have houses they can actually afford. | :55:16. | :55:17. | |
It is very difficult to pin Boris down. | :55:18. | :55:19. | |
I want to give you this chance to end on this note, | :55:20. | :55:22. | |
A rocky start to your mayoralty but then you got your head round it | :55:23. | :55:27. | |
all, and you had a successful Olympics, do you feel it | :55:28. | :55:29. | |
Asking about me, yes, it's the most absorbing | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
and demanding job anybody could possibly imagine, | :55:35. | :55:37. | |
I cannot believe that Labour created the mayoralty in the knowledge | :55:38. | :55:46. | |
that it could be conceivably won by a Conservative politician. | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
But it is the most wonderful job in British politics. | :55:51. | :55:53. | |
It's been an absolute privilege to do. | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
If you ask me other things we could have got right | :55:58. | :55:59. | |
at the beginning, of course there are. | :56:00. | :56:02. | |
But I think that overall I have a fantastic team | :56:03. | :56:05. | |
at City Hall, some amazingly gifted people who helped me do it. | :56:06. | :56:08. | |
Broadly speaking the results have been very good so far. | :56:09. | :56:11. | |
On that note, thank you very much indeed. | :56:12. | :56:18. | |
Presumably, next time we see you may be as a humble member | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
or you could be doing something else. | :56:22. | :56:24. | |
Very proud to represent Uxbridge and South Ruislip. | :56:25. | :56:26. | |
MPs are on their half term holiday at the moment, so you might be | :56:27. | :56:40. | |
forgiven for thinking we'll be in for a quiet time next week. | :56:41. | :56:43. | |
On Thursday, David Cameron heads to Brussels where he hopes | :56:44. | :56:49. | |
to finalise his deal on Britain s membership of the EU at what's been | :56:50. | :56:51. | |
dubbed the "crunch" European summit. | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
We will see how crunchy it is. Tim, Mr Hammond, the Foreign Secretary | :56:57. | :57:06. | |
this morning, Matthew Hancock on this programme, they both said, | :57:07. | :57:09. | |
let's see what the final deal is because there could be more in it | :57:10. | :57:12. | |
than the draft settlement, more for the British government. I would | :57:13. | :57:16. | |
suggest that the draft settlement for Mr Cameron is as good as it | :57:17. | :57:22. | |
gets. That may well be the case journalists have been seeking | :57:23. | :57:25. | |
rabbits from hats for many weeks, taking them out, and Eurosceptics | :57:26. | :57:28. | |
have been shooting them long before David Cameron got anywhere near it. | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
One thing I understand David Cameron will do before next weekend, he can | :57:33. | :57:35. | |
explain what he means by this sovereignty lock, the sovereign | :57:36. | :57:43. | |
Parliament will be... That is all smoke and mirrors. It is but it is | :57:44. | :57:46. | |
the one thing he has got left. It is something they can do in domestic | :57:47. | :57:50. | |
law and explain how the Supreme Court here will hold the European | :57:51. | :57:53. | |
Court to the letter of the European treaty. It is effectively getting a | :57:54. | :57:58. | |
British court to say that the European Court is not adhering to | :57:59. | :58:02. | |
its own treaties. If the summit finishes on Friday I suspect he will | :58:03. | :58:05. | |
unveil that either at a press conference or we will see him doing | :58:06. | :58:08. | |
Andrew Marr next Sunday and telling the world all about it. He is going | :58:09. | :58:13. | |
to do Andrew Marr next Sunday. Politically the Prime Minister would | :58:14. | :58:16. | |
be in trouble with his own party if this deal was further watered down, | :58:17. | :58:21. | |
wouldn't he? He needed to be strengthened. I'm hearing stories | :58:22. | :58:24. | |
coming out of Brussels saying there is a rabbit or two, but whether they | :58:25. | :58:30. | |
are tiny little rabbits or great big ones I don't know. I think this is a | :58:31. | :58:36. | |
campaign that will be won by fear, not by terrific bribes and isn't the | :58:37. | :58:40. | |
deal wonderful? What Philip Hammond said this morning was very | :58:41. | :58:45. | |
important, that if we vote to leave, Europe will make sure our conditions | :58:46. | :58:48. | |
are as bad as possible for fear of the whole thing falling apart, other | :58:49. | :58:54. | |
countries peeling off. That's the serious threat. The idea that we | :58:55. | :58:58. | |
will get a wonderful deal out of Europe or that France will go on | :58:59. | :59:02. | |
being our border guards and look after our camp in Calais, I think | :59:03. | :59:05. | |
it's those sorts of fears that will win it. If Mr Sarkozy wins in | :59:06. | :59:11. | |
France, it could change the camp whether we are in or outcome he is | :59:12. | :59:16. | |
campaigning on that. He could, that's true. Next year is next year. | :59:17. | :59:20. | |
The problem with all these things, like the out campaign saying if in, | :59:21. | :59:28. | |
Europe will react like this, none of that is provable until it happens. | :59:29. | :59:33. | |
We had a close colleague of Angela Merkel today warning that it would | :59:34. | :59:41. | |
be bloody, our terms, if we leave. And why shouldn't they say that | :59:42. | :59:45. | |
There's no point in issuing the threat afterwards. If they want to | :59:46. | :59:54. | |
threaten, now is the time. Doesn't mean he's not a good man just | :59:55. | :59:57. | |
because we haven't heard from him, but we haven't. It seems, I was | :59:58. | :00:00. | |
suggesting, that Michael Gove, in terms of which Cabinet ministers are | :00:01. | :00:05. | |
going to go with remain and which ones are going to go without, it | :00:06. | :00:08. | |
seems that Michael Gove is becoming the pivotal figure, here. | :00:09. | :00:14. | |
Suggestions that if he decides to go out, and apparently he is incredibly | :00:15. | :00:17. | |
anguished about this, Boris Johnson could well follow. If he doesn't, | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
they might not. Michael Gove is genuinely torn. Downing Street were | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
very confident at the beginning of this year that Michael Gove would be | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
with the Prime Minister. But anybody that has no Michael Gove, and are | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
used to be his colleague, he will know that in his heart of hearts he | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
would like to get Britain out of the European Union, it is as simple as | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
that. At he knows that if he campaigns to take Britain out of | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
Europe, what he is essentially doing is joining a campaign which, if | :00:46. | :00:50. | |
successful, will destroy David Cameron's Korea, and George | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
Osborne's and hand the Tory leadership to the two people in the | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
Conservative Party he loathes more than anybody else, Theresa May and | :00:58. | :01:03. | |
Boris Johnson. So he is torn. The thing about Boris Johnson, in his | :01:04. | :01:07. | |
heart of hearts, believes Britain should be in the European Union But | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
there is one thing Boris Johnson believes more than that, which is | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
that Boris Johnson should be Prime Minister. Therefore he needs to do | :01:15. | :01:18. | |
what is best for that, which is why he needs this sort of thing. | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
Grateful for that blinding revelation that Boris Johnson wants | :01:25. | :01:28. | |
to be Prime Minister. If Cameron can keep Michael Gove on board, there | :01:29. | :01:33. | |
will be fewer defections other than the usual suspects? I think that's | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
right. Somebody described him to me as the big Domino and if he falls, | :01:39. | :01:41. | |
others could. Cameron is trying quite hard. He had Gove in last week | :01:42. | :01:49. | |
trying to persuade him. What they think they've got is an enlargement | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
from Gove that if he does opt to follow his conscience and vote out | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
he will not do much campaigning I suspect he would do one interview | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
and sit the thing out, and they think if he is not out there leading | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
it, that will not do quite as much damage. We know Alan Johnson is | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
heading up the labour effort to stay in, but is Jeremy Corbyn really | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
going to campaign hard to stay in? Is the Labour Party going to spend | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
money on this campaign? I very much doubt it. It's not in his heart His | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
instincts are to pick up the wrong issue, today there he is saying that | :02:24. | :02:27. | |
he thinks Cameron is wrong on immigration, we should have much | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
easier immigration, he shouldn't be trying to cut back the number of EU | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
migrants coming into the country. That is no way to win it, I presume | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
he knows it. It's very important that Labour voters are brought on | :02:41. | :02:47. | |
board. Mr Cameron needs them, too. Cameron really needs Labour voters. | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
It ought to be the great, strong, uniting message for Labour. | :02:52. | :02:55. | |
Virtually all Labour MPs are strongly in favour part from a | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
maverick hand. Quite the clear majority of the Parliamentary party. | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
It should have been a big contrast, Labour pro-European, Tories all over | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
the place. I'm afraid Jeremy Corbyn will muddy that. | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
final debate when he laid into the European Union. He hates the new | :03:12. | :03:28. | |
free trade area. He said he would support our membership but push four | :03:29. | :03:36. | |
reform from within. A few days before the big summit which is meant | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
to clinch it one way or the other are we heading for a June 23 | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
referendum? Almost certainly and thank God. So we can plan our summer | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
holidays and ministers and advisers feel the same. Never mind about the | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
needs of the nation. It looks like there will be some kind of deal and | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
they may give him a bit more in some areas. Cameron is determined to | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
press on with this, he does not want this hanging over his government. | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
Every Monday he Will have backed out of the | :04:07. | :06:30. | |
referendum, that is a factor in several politicians cut relations | :06:31. | :06:35. | |
right now. As I discovered, the front runners have been very coy | :06:36. | :06:41. | |
about it all. What is this about? A programme about the Tory leadership. | :06:42. | :06:55. | |
What on earth is the relevance of that to your | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
many millions of viewers when you consider that there is no, | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
thankfully, thankfully, and there is no vacancy | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
Nor is there going to be one for a very long time. | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
Oh well, maybe I'll get lucky with some of the other | :07:08. | :07:13. | |
Apparently, Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, might | :07:14. | :07:15. | |
Speculation surrounds the Welsh Secretary, | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
Stephen Crabb, Education Secretary Nicky Morgan | :07:18. | :07:19. | |
once a female candidate, preferably her. | :07:20. | :07:20. | |
Defra Secretary, Liz Truss is repeated to be ambitious. | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
There are mutterings about Business Secretary, | :07:24. | :07:24. | |
Sajid Javid, but is he really angling to be the next | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
And is a leadership bid while Michael Gove is swinging over | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
which side to back in the referendum. | :07:33. | :07:33. | |
Energy Minister, Andrea Leadsom is holding surgeries in the Commons | :07:34. | :07:39. | |
tearoom and a mystery member of the 2015 intake is rumoured | :07:40. | :07:41. | |
to have big plans and Employment Minister and arch | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
Eurosceptic Priti Patel is expected to have a profile-boosting | :07:45. | :07:46. | |
role in the Out Campaign and then there is Liam Fox. | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
This week, a poll on the website run by | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
Paul Goodman found that the former Defence Secretary was favourite | :07:57. | :07:58. | |
If you speculate that the hard right of Conservative Party membership, | :07:59. | :08:10. | |
is about a fifth of it, that sounds fair enough. | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
What was remarkable about his score was in fact how low it was, | :08:16. | :08:18. | |
it was the joint-lowest score for a leading | :08:19. | :08:20. | |
A lot of this is total nonsense, but it presages | :08:21. | :08:27. | |
potentially three years of Tory leadership gossip for the people | :08:28. | :08:29. | |
The Tory party would be in a leadership crisis but the country | :08:30. | :08:57. | |
would be in a huge political crisis. It would go on for years. It would | :08:58. | :09:04. | |
take at least smack years of very painful negotiations, maybe longer, | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
to get us out of these treaties Nobody has done it before, nobody | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
knows what it would look like. Cameron would have to go. The | :09:13. | :09:19. | |
humiliation would be appalling. Osborne's chances would be shot to | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
pieces. By then, the country might have changed its mind and be upset | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
by having narrowly voted against for getting out. They might regret it. | :09:29. | :09:32. | |
Where does that leave whoever the future leader is? Do you agree? This | :09:33. | :09:40. | |
whole contest will boil down to several binary choices, in and out | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
of Europe, George Osborne and not George Osborne. Boris Johnson Atmos | :09:46. | :09:51. | |
Boris Johnson. Woman and man. - or not Boris Johnson. Depending on the | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
circumstances we will find a leader. The young and old. 2015 intake are | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
getting bored about George Osborne is nearly inevitable and if not him, | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
Boris Johnson. They are thinking about running one of their own. | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
There are names that we haven't even considered that may enter the fray. | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
David Cameron might not go immediately but if he has to go he | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
would be the walking wounded through the summer and into the autumn. Mr | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
George Osborne probably the same. He kind of throws everything open. It | :10:21. | :10:26. | |
stars. There is a lot of chat amongst ministers about what happens | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
if we vote to leave -- it does. The Prime Minister says we trigger at | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
ago 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, two years negotiation and I should do | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
that -- at Article 50. One school of thought is that the prime and will | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
bring in David Davies as the Deputy Prime Minister and lead the exit | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
negotiations but I can't see that. I think that will be a leadership | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
contest and the defining feature is who is the best person to lead those | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
exit negotiations. And you would assume that a minister who has said | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
we should leave would be best placed. Maybe it will be possible to | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
have administered through said we should be in but maybe not wholly | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
involved in the remaining campaign. A good Eurosceptic track record | :11:11. | :11:18. | |
Boris Johnson? Theresa May Possibly. Do you want Boris Johnson | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
negotiating the future of the treaty over two years? I think Boris | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
Johnson's position will be weaker than anyone things because of the | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
dithering. It is so transparent and nakedly ambitious. Whether he is | :11:31. | :11:37. | |
fought in or out. Anybody who is interested in politics feels | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
passionately in or out and he can't pretend to be waiting for these | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
minor negotiations on this fundamental issue that he has | :11:45. | :11:47. | |
tackled all his life. Even if we wrote to remain, what is your view | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
on what is sometimes called even if we vote to remain, the | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
Conservatives, whose heart would not have been in remaining, will want | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
someone to lead them after Mr Cameron, much later, who was Brexit? | :12:01. | :12:07. | |
There is a strong case for that Most of the polls suggest that 0% | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
of the conservative grassroot is a Brexitier. There are polls which | :12:14. | :12:20. | |
show, to speak up for Boris, that he is wildly more popular than any | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
other conservative. There are conservative MPs who will look at | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
those polls, the one in the Independent this morning he is the | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
only main stream politician who has a positive rating. This is a 2-stage | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
process, the MPs put you on the ballot paper, the grassroots people | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
select you. Only two names go forward. You need to get past the | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
MPs and then make your case to the wider. If Boris gets through, to | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
being one of the final two, given his popularity with the Tory | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
grassroots, could change, it could be skin deep, I don't know, but | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
wouldn't he be an unstoppable? He doesn't have a huge backing at | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
Westminster, a lot of MPs don't know him. Will he survive the rigours of | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
a campaign? The interview on the Andrew Marr show, he faced awkward | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
questions about one of his friends. You assume he will get through that | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
process. We are talking about a contest after we have voted to stay | :13:20. | :13:23. | |
in. Important lesson from 1975, Harold Wilson was a massively | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
strengthened after that win. He moved Tony Benn at the crucial post | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
of industry because he was very strong. The Prime Minister will | :13:33. | :13:34. | |
pretty strong on that. Remember, if it's Sunday, | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
it's the Sunday Politics. | :13:41. | :13:45. |