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There's another candidate in the race to become Ukip's next | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
leader: Suzanne Evans, the party's former deputy chairman, | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
This man might have something to say about that. | :00:43. | :00:49. | |
Paul Nuttal was Nigel Farage's deputy for many years. | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
So is he now ready to throw his hat in the ring? | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
The battle for Mosul: the Iraqi army and its allies advane | :00:55. | :01:00. | |
on the country's second city which has been in the hands of | :01:01. | :01:02. | |
But what will be the fallout from this key clash? | :01:03. | :01:15. | |
London this week, slum conditions in one of the richest cities in the | :01:16. | :01:21. | |
world. Should all private landlords be licensed to help tackle the | :01:22. | :01:22. | |
squalor? And with me - as always - | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
the best and the brightest political panel in the business: Toby Young, | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
Polly Toynbee and Tom Newton Dunn - The last leader was in the job | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
a mere 18 days before she decided The favourite to succeed her then | :01:34. | :01:42. | |
quit the party after a now infamous Ukip's biggest donor says the party | :01:43. | :01:48. | |
is at "breaking point". This morning, the former | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
Deputy Chairman, Suzanne Evans, announced that she would be | :01:54. | :02:00. | |
running for the leadership. I've thought long and hard | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
about this leadership bid, and one of the reasons I've perhaps | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
delayed announcing it is because I wanted to be absolutely | :02:09. | :02:10. | |
sure that I had the support And I can confirm that I have | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
more than enough signatures on the nomination form already | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
to be able to go forward. Let's not forget that 3,000 people | :02:18. | :02:20. | |
signed a petition in support of me I know head office was besieged | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
with letters in support. I would not be doing this | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
if I didn't have the backing of our members, because our members | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
are the most important Well, Paul Nuttall was | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
Nigel Farage's deputy for many years and plenty of people saw him | :02:36. | :02:44. | |
as a leader-in-waiting. Let's ask the man himself - | :02:45. | :02:47. | |
Paul Nuttall joins me now. Yes. I've made the decision that I'm | :02:48. | :03:00. | |
going to put my name forward to be the next leader of Ukip. I have huge | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
support across the country, not only amongst people at the top of the | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
party in Westminster and with the MEPs, but also the grassroots. I | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
want to be the unity candidate. Ukip needs to come together. I'm not | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
going to gild the lily. Ukip is looking over a political cliff at | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
the moment. It will either step four step back, and I want to tell us to | :03:24. | :03:34. | |
step backwards. You say it faces an ex-distension or threat, which means | :03:35. | :03:36. | |
it's possible it has no future at all. Students of political history | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
know that political parties take a long time to get going. They can | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
disappear pretty quickly. Ukip is facing an existential crisis. What | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
happened over the summer has put us on a... We could be on a spiral that | :03:51. | :03:56. | |
we can't get off. But I believe I am the man to bring the factions | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
together, to create unity within the party, and to build on the structure | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
and get us ready for the common challenges. Why didn't you stand | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
last time? Because I have spent the last four or five years of my life | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
travelling around the country. I have done more Ukip meetings than | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
anybody else, spending a lot of time away from home. With Brexit, I felt | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
that my job and Nigel's job was done and we could hand over to the next | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
generation. That doesn't seem to be the case, and maybe it's time for | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
someone who is an old hand. I'm very experienced and I know the party | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
inside out. Maybe it's time to step in and bring the party together You | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
told the Liverpool Echo on the night of July that you didn't wish to take | :04:42. | :04:48. | |
on Nigel Farage, you didn't want that to happen to your family and | :04:49. | :04:57. | |
friends. What has changed? The party is facing an existential crisis and | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
I want to make sure that Ukip is on the pitch to keep the ball into the | :05:02. | :05:08. | |
open net we have in politics. We have a Conservative Party who is | :05:09. | :05:14. | |
moving toward Brexit, but we have to be there too. Why would you be | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
better than Suzanne Evans? Suzanne would be an excellent candidate I | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
thought the 2015 manifesto was the best out of all the political | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
parties. I would be the best candidate because of my experience. | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
I am not part of any faction within the party. Is she? I get on well | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
with everybody, and I believe I could be the man to bring the party | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
together. Do you get on with Iain Banks, -- Aaron Banks, who is | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
supporting one of your rivals? Yes, I get on well with him. He is able | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
to choose whoever he wants to be the next leader of the party. After | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
November 28, the leadership election, we all say, the past the | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
past. It becomes Daisy row for the new leader. We forget all that has | :06:04. | :06:11. | |
before and move on. You won the referendum. Mrs May is adopting some | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
of your policies, like grammar schools. What is the point of Ukip | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
these days? Twofold. We don't have Brexit. Mrs May said she would not | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
invoke Article 50 until the end of March, and we don't know if that | :06:26. | :06:30. | |
will happen. We need to ensure a strong Ukip to make sure that Brexit | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
really does mean Brexit. We have a huge opportunity in working class | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
communities where the Labour Party no longer represents them. I believe | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
Ukip can become the voice of working people. If you were the leader, | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
would Ukip be a bigger threat to Labour in the north or the Tories in | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
the South? You save Labour in the north, and people often to make that | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
mistake. There's working class communities right across the country | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
is. There are working-class communities in Bristol just | :07:03. | :07:14. | |
as in Newcastle. We are second in a number of northern seats, and | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
southern seats as well, and I believe the party can move into | :07:18. | :07:20. | |
these communities. It can only do so if Ukip is on the pitch, and I | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
intend to make sure that's the case. I don't think we have portrayed a | :07:24. | :07:29. | |
good image over the summer. Is that called British understatement? A | :07:30. | :07:36. | |
bit. It is dysfunctional. We have to move on beyond Nigel Farage. We have | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
to build a strong national Executive Committee. We need to ensure our | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
branches are ready for the fight and concentrate on local elections. I've | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
got the experience. I'm now throwing my hat into the ring, and I'm the | :07:51. | :07:56. | |
only person who can keep Ukip in the game. What role would you give Nigel | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
Farage, if any? I will be the candidate of compromise. I would see | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
what Nigel wanted to do. Would you keep in the leader of the freedom | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
and democracy group in the European Parliament? There would have to be | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
compromise on both sides, and we would need to talk about it. I don't | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
know what Nigel wants to do. Do you think his support, his association | :08:20. | :08:23. | |
with Donald Trump, helps Ukip win female votes in this country? | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
Personally, I would not have gone out and campaigned or said anything | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
about Donald Trump, but I don't think Ukip has come out and backed | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
Donald Trump 100%. Personally, I wouldn't have even spoken about the | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
American election, because I think the two candidates are quite | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
appalling. Some up for us. If you win, what would be the hallmark of | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
your Ukip leadership? The first couple of months would be ensuring | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
that Ukip unifies. Saying no to factions, bringing people together. | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
Suzanne Evans, Nigel Farage, all of the MEPs, and ensuring that Ukip can | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
move forward. If we don't unify Ukip will not be around for much | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
longer. Thanks for being with us this morning. | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
We won't have to wait too long to find out who Ukip's | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
new leader will be - the winner will be announced | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
Who would be the best leader for Ukip? I think the difference between | :09:22. | :09:30. | |
the field a few weeks ago and today is that this field is a lot | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
stronger. Whether it's Paul or Suzanne, I think... It is hard to | :09:35. | :09:41. | |
say, with Aaron Banks and apparently Nigel Farage hacking another | :09:42. | :09:51. | |
candidate, Raheem, but I want Ukip to be a strong force in British | :09:52. | :10:01. | |
politics. I think the fact there is a stronger field now is good news | :10:02. | :10:08. | |
for Ukip. Is it a Labour's worst nightmare in the north of England? | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
It is. I think the personality difference and presentational | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
difference is interesting. Suzanne Evans is going for the Conservative | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
county vote. There's a lot to be taken there by Ukip. He would | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
probably be more appealing to the Labour vote. It is interesting. At | :10:27. | :10:33. | |
the moment, pollsters say that the Ukip vote splits pretty easily | :10:34. | :10:46. | |
between Labour and Tory. But things always collapse. When they have made | :10:47. | :10:51. | |
inroads into Tower Hamlets and Barking, they collapse, because they | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
fight amongst each other so much. But not always with fists! Does Ukip | :10:56. | :11:07. | |
have a future? And who would best secure that future? It does for at | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
least two years, until we Brexit. We have to believe that that will | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
happen. That was an impressive pitch there from Paul, certainly as the | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
unity candidate, after the car crash we have seen on TV screens this | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
morning. But it doesn't go beyond May 20 19. What then? There is no | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
point being called the United Kingdom Independence party any | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
longer. What will happen after May 2019? If you want to hoover up votes | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
of the back of Brexit, you need to start looking further ahead than two | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
years. The person who wins that leadership contest is the person who | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
will sum that up the best. We shall see. | :11:53. | :11:54. | |
In June 2014, the group which calls itself the Islamic State in Iraq | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
and the Levant captured Iraq's second city, Mosul. | :11:58. | :11:59. | |
Later that month the group announced it was establishing a 'caliphate', | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
or an Islamic state, on the territories it | :12:03. | :12:04. | |
This week 30,000 Iraqi troops, aided by Iranian-backed Shia fighters | :12:05. | :12:13. | |
Kurdish Peshmerga and Western air support, began the assault | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
Then they spot a truck bomb from so-called Islamic State. | :12:19. | :12:36. | |
They destroy it before it destroys them. | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
These are the first steps in the battle for Mosul, | :12:42. | :12:43. | |
the Northern Iraqi city IS has made its stronghold since 2014. | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
Controlling the city of around 2 million people means | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
that they established governance, they establish a territorial base. | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
This is what has obsessed everyone, because with a territorial base | :12:58. | :13:00. | |
you are capable of doing more than if you are simply an insurgency | :13:01. | :13:05. | |
movement in the fabric of another society. | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
It's being billed as the biggest military operation in Iraq | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
since the war in 2003, the biggest moment in the international effort | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
Here is how the various forces are approaching the city. | :13:18. | :13:23. | |
Heading to Mosul from the south the elite troops of the Iraqi army. | :13:24. | :13:27. | |
Known as the Golden division, trained and accompanied | :13:28. | :13:29. | |
From the North, a force made up of Kurds, known as the Peshmerga, | :13:30. | :13:36. | |
Also from the South, a militia made up of Shia fighters | :13:37. | :13:42. | |
who have been accused of human rights abuses. | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
British planes have bombed outlying villages, reportedly guided | :13:46. | :13:48. | |
in by British personnel on the ground. | :13:49. | :13:55. | |
To the North West, a corridor has been left for some | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
of the 3000 plus IS fighters, in theory an escape route | :13:59. | :14:00. | |
which could limit the bloodshed when fighting starts in the city. | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
We've had 4-5 days of battle and it's taking place | :14:05. | :14:06. | |
in the outlying villages and there have been some | :14:07. | :14:08. | |
successes and some failures, but the momentum is building. | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
And the real question will be when the attackers get | :14:13. | :14:14. | |
towards the city itself, how strong are the defences? | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
It will crack but it might crack within 48 hours or 2-3 weeks. | :14:19. | :14:26. | |
IS has fought back, on Friday they attack sites | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
in the city of Kirkuk, including a power station. | :14:31. | :14:32. | |
The United Nations believes hundreds of thousands of families | :14:33. | :14:35. | |
have been rounded up as potential human shields. | :14:36. | :14:37. | |
The battle could be bloody, but what about when it's over? | :14:38. | :14:42. | |
The Shia militias, the Iraqi army, the Peshmerga guerrillas, | :14:43. | :14:44. | |
some of the Turkish elements, they all want a share of the action. | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
They are in Mosul, not for altruistic reasons. | :14:48. | :14:51. | |
They are there because they want to be part of whatever happens next. | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
The biggest issue is how the Sunni majority in Mosul reacts to the Shia | :14:55. | :14:59. | |
militias which have helped to liberate them. | :15:00. | :15:03. | |
ARCHIVE FOOTAGE: When Sir Francis Humphrey went to Mosul | :15:04. | :15:05. | |
If it all seems like something from the archive, when the Middle | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
East went up in flames and was then carved up, | :15:10. | :15:12. | |
it is because that is what is happening in Iraq right now. | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
National identity has been cut across by other identities such | :15:17. | :15:20. | |
And that means that putting together a so-called nation state again | :15:21. | :15:31. | |
Almost certainly there will be a new form of Kurdish state, | :15:32. | :15:36. | |
almost certainly in northern Iraq at the end of this crisis, | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
and what is happening in Mosul is a microcosm of what is happening | :15:41. | :15:43. | |
elsewhere across the Levant which is that it is melting down. | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
Big questions, questions that come after the battle. | :15:47. | :15:49. | |
The coalition forces are advancing but this is just the beginning. | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
I'm joined now by the International Development Minister Rory Stewart. | :15:53. | :16:01. | |
In a former life he was the coalition Deputy-Governor of two | :16:02. | :16:04. | |
provinces in Southern Iraq following the Iraq intervention of 2003. | :16:05. | :16:12. | |
Is there any doubt that at some stage Mosul will fall to the forces | :16:13. | :16:22. | |
of Iraq and its allies? The first thing is that war is very uncertain | :16:23. | :16:31. | |
and there are cliches about it being the graveyard of predictions and we | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
don't want to make confident predictions but the basic structure | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
is that there are 30,000 Iraqi forces outside and only a few | :16:40. | :16:49. | |
thousand Daesh fighters inside and I would say it is overwhelmingly | :16:50. | :16:51. | |
likely that the batter will one STUDIO: -- the battle the won by the | :16:52. | :16:59. | |
Iraqi forces. June 2014 was a great success, they | :17:00. | :17:08. | |
took a city of over in people and they created what they tried to | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
create a million state of 7 million people, stretching across the Iraqi | :17:14. | :17:16. | |
Syrian border, but since then they have lost territory quite rapidly. | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
Now they are losing the outskirts of Mosul, and that is a fundamental | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
blow. Islamic State is all about territory and holding state, that is | :17:27. | :17:28. | |
what makes it different from Al-Qaeda. If they lose Mosul that | :17:29. | :17:36. | |
will be a cynic -- significant blow to their credibility. Hillary | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
Clinton said on Wednesday's presidential debate that when Iraqi | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
forces with their allies including the United Kingdom gain control of | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
Mosul they should continue to press into Syria to take back Raqqa which | :17:49. | :17:55. | |
is the de facto capital of the caliphate, what is left of it, do we | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
want Iraqi forces to pursue IS into Syria? Very important question. | :18:01. | :18:07. | |
Delayed in Raqqa needs to come from people on the Syrian side of the | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
border and that is an important principle -- the lead. In the end of | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
that enemy, Islamic State, is a common enemy for odd members of the | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
coalition including the Iraqi government. -- all members. There is | :18:21. | :18:28. | |
likely to be a humanitarian crisis especially if it ends up with street | :18:29. | :18:31. | |
to street fighting and IS are difficult to dislodge what are we | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
doing about that? We are doing very detailed scenario planning. It is | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
very uncertain what the scenario will be but much investment has gone | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
into creating a network of camps, refugees STUDIO: Refugee camps | :18:47. | :18:56. | |
around cash refugee camps, and that is where money, British money, 40 | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
million has gone recently into supporting that, especially in terms | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
of medical support to people. The United nation's emergency response | :19:06. | :19:13. | |
budget is ?196 million but only one third funded which sounds like we | :19:14. | :19:15. | |
are putting up a big chunk of what is already being funded. Why is | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
that? The international committee can't say they haven't seen this | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
assault coming, and the humanitarian fallout they may see from it. You | :19:24. | :19:30. | |
are absolutely right. We have seen it coming and we have been planning | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
since debris and we have put in about ?167 million into this -- | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
planning since February. There has been a change in the nature of the | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
appeal, and if there is a lag in the accounting of it, but the money we | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
need at this stage is in place and we do have the support structure in | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
place for those refugees. You are right the United Nations is | :19:52. | :19:54. | |
continuing with its appeal and is asking for more money at the moment. | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
The converse magazine wrote this week that preparations for a big | :20:00. | :20:02. | |
exodus of people leaving the city have been made -- Economist | :20:03. | :20:08. | |
magazine. But confidence is not high in the preparations, is that a | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
unfair conclusion? If you can imagine the different scenarios it | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
could be a few thousand and it could be a few hundred thousand coming out | :20:18. | :20:20. | |
of the city through a front line where the war is going on, that is | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
very difficult. You have to screen those people and disarm them, and | :20:26. | :20:28. | |
keep families together, and transport them and you have to bring | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
them into the refugee camps. The people working on this have been | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
working on this for long time, we have mapped the different routes we | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
have good camp infrastructure in place and we have people who have | :20:41. | :20:47. | |
worked in south to dam and other areas who are putting their | :20:48. | :20:50. | |
structures in place -- South Sudan. It is never easy but I think we have | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
done everything we can in the preparation for this. What is the | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
British role in what will probably be an even bigger issue, assuming | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
that Mosul is liberated and retaken, the humanitarian crisis is dealt | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
with, what role will we play in the rebuilding of Mosul? That will be | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
crucial to the future of Iraq, the second-biggest city and it will need | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
to be rebuilt. It will need to be rebuilt as a community as well as | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
bricks and mortar. And eight Sunni community that is not harassed by | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
the Shia. -- and eight. You are right. One of the core drivers is | :21:31. | :21:37. | |
that the Sunni community felt excluded and they did not feel they | :21:38. | :21:40. | |
have the trust from the Baghdad government. A lasting solution is | :21:41. | :21:46. | |
stopping some of Islamic State coming back, that involves making | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
sure the Sunni community have a stake in their future. That is | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
making sure that the governing structures are in place. The UK s | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
response is twofold, we have got to get the humanitarian aid right, that | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
is the short term, people who might be malnourished, coming out of the | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
front line. The second thing is working with the Iraqi government to | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
make sure that as we rebuild Mosul we do so in a way that that | :22:15. | :22:18. | |
population feels a connection to the Iraqi state. Islamic State is losing | :22:19. | :22:25. | |
territory everywhere in the Levant, it is almost finished in Iraq, we | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
think. It is down to one district in Libya, as well, just one small part | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
of the town. I suppose the risk is, if life is becoming more difficult | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
across these areas, it can start to look more in Europe and the United | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
Kingdom as a place to continue its terrorist attacks? That is a real | :22:47. | :22:52. | |
danger. You are right. This is a group which has proved over the last | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
five years very unpredictable and it changes for it quickly full stop | :22:57. | :23:02. | |
often it does unexpected things In 2009 its predecessor had been | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
largely wiped out in Iraq and when it was under pressure in Syria it | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
went back into Iraq, and in the past it didn't hold territory but now it | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
holds territory, so you are right. There is a serious risk that as it | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
gets squeezed in the middle East it will try to pop up somewhere else | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
and Mac could include Europe and the United States -- that could. They | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
say that is something they have focused on full stop we also have a | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
big focus on counterterrorism security and making sure that we | :23:34. | :23:35. | |
keep the United Kingdom and Europe say. One final question. -- say -- | :23:36. | :23:47. | |
safe. Maybe events in Mosul could add to the migration crisis in | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
Europe, is that a possibility? Again, you are right, we have seen | :23:52. | :23:58. | |
in Syria it can push migration, the biggest push the migration was the | :23:59. | :24:01. | |
conflict in Syria, and that's the reason why we have but so much | :24:02. | :24:03. | |
energy into getting those refugee camps in place and getting the | :24:04. | :24:08. | |
humanitarian response in place - put so much energy. People will want | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
to remain in their homes, this is their country, but we have got to | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
make it possible for them and that means in the short term looking | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
after their shelter and in the medium to long-term making sure they | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
have livelihoods, jobs and an economic development which is why | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
our support in Iraq is in the UK National interests because it deals | :24:30. | :24:32. | |
with these issues of migration and terrorists. Thanks for joining us. | :24:33. | :24:40. | |
I'm joined now by the Shadow Defence Secretary. | :24:41. | :24:47. | |
Does Labour support British participation in this offensive We | :24:48. | :24:59. | |
fully support the participation in this offensive, extremely important | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
move forward and we voted for this back in 2014. We are asking the | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
government question is, of course, I was asking the Secretary of State | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
this week about this very offensive but we are fully behind our RAF | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
pilots out there and be trading that has been going on to help the forces | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
on the ground. -- the training full stop that is very clear. I wonder if | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
you'll lead it shares that clarity and that position. -- is your | :25:28. | :25:34. | |
leader. This is what Jeremy Corbyn has said. | :25:35. | :25:36. | |
What's been done in Iraq is done by the Iraqi | :25:37. | :25:38. | |
government, and currently supported by the British government. | :25:39. | :25:40. | |
I did not support it when it came up. | :25:41. | :25:42. | |
Well, I'm not sure how successful it's been, because most | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
of the action now appears to be moving in to Syria, so I think we | :25:47. | :25:50. | |
He doesn't sound very supportive. The issue about Mosul, it has been | :25:51. | :25:59. | |
very carefully prepared as Rory Stewart said and I hope we have | :26:00. | :26:02. | |
learned the lessons from previous offensives where we haven't learnt | :26:03. | :26:07. | |
sufficiently, and that is going to be crucial in this context. How the | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
aftermath is going to be dealt with. Of course will stop that clip was | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
from November last year, and things have changed. Two weeks ago he told | :26:18. | :26:25. | |
the BBC" I'm not sure it is working", in reference to air | :26:26. | :26:29. | |
strikes in Iraq, but it is working. We have got to see what happens in | :26:30. | :26:33. | |
Mosul, it is a very high-risk operation, but we also have to face | :26:34. | :26:35. | |
the fact that the people there are living under tyranny at the moment. | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
We have to ask very cirrus question shall stop he says he's not sure it | :26:41. | :26:48. | |
is working, when Mosul is the last major target be cleared of Islamic | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
State in Iraq. The combination of Allied air power has worked, why is | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
he not sure it is working? Because we have seen difficulties in the | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
past. But this was two weeks ago. It is essential that the work is done, | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
both planning for the refugees as Rory Stewart referred to, but also | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
in terms of reconstruction of the city and its community as you | :27:10. | :27:15. | |
mentioned. These are vital. This was about the ability to make progress | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
with Allied air power, special forces in Iraq, on the ground, do | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
you accept so far that has a strategy that seems to be working to | :27:25. | :27:36. | |
read Iraq of Islamic -- to read Iraq of Islamic State the question of the | :27:37. | :27:45. | |
car began placement. Ulloa -- we can't be complacent. The problems | :27:46. | :27:52. | |
they are creating where ever they are urged that we must continue to | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
pursue them. This is the first time we have spoken to since you have | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
become the Shadow Defence Secretary. I hope we will have a longer | :28:02. | :28:05. | |
interview. Will Labour's next manifesto include a commitment to | :28:06. | :28:12. | |
the renewal of Trident? It will We made that commitment in 2007, that | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
is a firm commitment and we will honour that to our coalition allies | :28:16. | :28:19. | |
and our industrial partners and that is the vote which was taken | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
democratically and repeatedly has been reaffirmed by Labour conference | :28:24. | :28:26. | |
and we are a democratic party vote up you have squared that with Jeremy | :28:27. | :28:35. | |
Corbyn? He's in favour of democracy and he understands the situation, | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
but we also want to push for the UK to play a much bigger role on the | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
international stage on multilateral disarmament talks. You were very | :28:43. | :28:48. | |
clear there, I thank you for that. Support for Trident will be in the | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
next Labour manifesto. What has happened to Labour's review of | :28:54. | :28:57. | |
Trident policy? That review has been taking place over the year, we had a | :28:58. | :29:01. | |
very clear reaffirmation in the conference boat this year, we are | :29:02. | :29:05. | |
reaffirming our commitment to Trident -- vote. The review can t | :29:06. | :29:13. | |
change that? There is a process of review and a fair number of issues | :29:14. | :29:16. | |
related to defence, all parties do this. Of course. The review can t | :29:17. | :29:23. | |
change the commitment to Trident? We are not changing the commitment to | :29:24. | :29:27. | |
Trident. Russia is now the main strategic threat to this country? It | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
is a major strategic threat and we have got to work with our Nato | :29:32. | :29:34. | |
allies very closely and make sure that we respond and that we do not | :29:35. | :29:39. | |
let things pass. For example, we should be calling out Russia for the | :29:40. | :29:42. | |
way it has been a bombing humanitarian aid and we should be | :29:43. | :29:47. | |
taking them to international court over this, but we should also be | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
strengthening sanctions, somewhat imposed over Ukraine. We try to do | :29:53. | :29:57. | |
that, but the Italians wouldn't let us. The Italians did not want to | :29:58. | :30:02. | |
participate in the European initiative but that doesn't stop | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
individual countries for the Britain should step up? Yes, we should look | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
at what is practical to impose. Thanks for joining us. | :30:13. | :30:18. | |
Mosul is not the only major battle being waged in the Middle East. | :30:19. | :30:21. | |
The city of Aleppo in northern Syria has seen some of the heaviest | :30:22. | :30:24. | |
bombardment since Syria's five-year-long civil war began. | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
This week Russian warships, in a deliberate show of power, | :30:28. | :30:30. | |
sailed west through the English channel en route to Syria. | :30:31. | :30:34. | |
Nato says it's Russia's "largest surface deployment" since the end | :30:35. | :30:37. | |
of the Cold War in what is thought to be preparation | :30:38. | :30:40. | |
for a final assault on the besieged city of Aleppo. | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
In the city itself fighting resumed overnight - | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
following a 3-day ceasefire - with more air strikes and heavy | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
clashes in the city's rebel-held eastern districts. | :30:54. | :30:56. | |
Almost 500 people have been killed and 2,000 injured | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
since Syrian government forces, backed by Russian air strikes, | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
This week Theresa May condemned Vladimir Putin's involvement | :31:04. | :31:11. | |
in Syria, accusing Moscow of being behind "sickening | :31:12. | :31:13. | |
atrocities" in support of President Assad's regime. | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
But European leaders are divided on how to respond and, | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
with the United States preoccupied with domestic politics, | :31:22. | :31:23. | |
President Putin senses this is his moment to bring the Syrian | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
I'm joined now by the BBC's former Diplomatic and Moscow Correspondent, | :31:28. | :31:35. | |
Bridget Kendall, who is now Master of Peterhouse College in Cambridge. | :31:36. | :31:43. | |
Welcome. Good to see you in the BBC studio again. Let me put up this | :31:44. | :31:51. | |
satellite image of Aleppo here, to get an idea of the scale. It was the | :31:52. | :31:59. | |
biggest city in Syria. It was the commercial capital and a huge | :32:00. | :32:03. | |
cultural hub as well. Almost the New York of Syria, to give you an idea | :32:04. | :32:07. | |
of its significance to the country. Let me show you now how it's been | :32:08. | :32:13. | |
divided. The rebels are now in control of the eastern part, about | :32:14. | :32:21. | |
eight miles long and three miles wide there, they're in purple. They | :32:22. | :32:24. | |
are under great attacks still. Is it inevitable that that purple part | :32:25. | :32:31. | |
falls to the regime? That is what President as Saad, the Russians and | :32:32. | :32:37. | |
the Iranians hope. The fierce bombardments we have seen is part of | :32:38. | :32:43. | |
that. I'm reminded very much in the Russian tactics of what happened in | :32:44. | :32:49. | |
grudgingly in Chechnya in 2000, when the Russians said, a warning for all | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
civilians to lead, and then they went ahead and they basically raised | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
it to the ground. They are talking about Al Nusrah as being one of the | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
rebel groups. They got rid of all of the terrorists. They talk about it | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
being an Al-Qaeda offshoot. The purpose of going in is to get rid of | :33:09. | :33:13. | |
them. You get the civilians out and then you take it. But this isn't | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
like Chechnya. It is much more complex. We have seen an attempt to | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
take Aleppo before, and then there was a rebel counter offensive. It's | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
not so certain. And there are so many different parties involved We | :33:29. | :33:31. | |
have seen the alarm in the west of the extent of the civilian | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
casualties. There have been rumblings in the west of, shouldn't | :33:36. | :33:45. | |
the United States do something? Shouldn't they stop the Syrian air | :33:46. | :33:47. | |
force? This Russian aircraft carrier steaming its way towards the Eastern | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
Mediterranean is a symbolic gesture, both to its own people, but also to | :33:52. | :33:59. | |
the West, to say, don't get involved in Aleppo if we go ahead. Don't try | :34:00. | :34:04. | |
and stop us because we could up the ante. They have not been great | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
visual pictures, because the aircraft carrier looks a bit clapped | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
out, belching out smoke! If the rebel controlled area does fall it | :34:15. | :34:21. | |
would be seen as a great victory for President as Saad and his Russian | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
allies. What is the aim of Russia here? What would they then do, if | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
Aleppo Falls? It is part of a plan that President Putin set out in his | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
UN speech in 2014, before Russia went into Syria. The aim is to put | :34:36. | :34:40. | |
President Assad back in charge. President Putin said this weekend | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
that either is Assad in Damascus, or its Al Nusrah. There is nothing in | :34:46. | :34:51. | |
between. They want to eliminate the argument for a moderate opposition. | :34:52. | :34:56. | |
They want to make it plain that the only way to get a stable Syria is to | :34:57. | :35:03. | |
have Assad back in charge. Even sue argue for a rump steak lit, leaving | :35:04. | :35:12. | |
aside what is happening with IAS. They have already said they want to | :35:13. | :35:17. | |
have an enlarged military presence at their bases. And they have a big | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
naval base. It is. It is a chance to push for this when he sees the West | :35:23. | :35:27. | |
is being distracted and divided Europe and America, by elections and | :35:28. | :35:35. | |
so on. Just before the US elections. The Americans are worried about | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
that, Europeans are being distracted by Brexit. He can push to his | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
maximum advantage now, before there is a new US president. If they do | :35:45. | :35:53. | |
take that part of Aleppo, and that part of northern Syria, does Mr | :35:54. | :36:01. | |
Putin want us to recognise, to admit, that that is now his sphere | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
of influence? I think the rhetoric from the Russians is that they want | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
the West to recognise that they are an equal powerful partner. It's not | :36:12. | :36:15. | |
just the US that runs the writ in the Middle East. Russia is as | :36:16. | :36:21. | |
important as it is. It is engaging with Saudi Arabia and has mended | :36:22. | :36:26. | |
fences with Turkey. Syria is the place from which it can launch its | :36:27. | :36:32. | |
message that it is a big player in the Middle East. Russia wants the | :36:33. | :36:37. | |
West to understand that this isn't a country that was dismembered after | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
the end of the Soviet Union and is now a week. It is back, and it is | :36:41. | :36:45. | |
strong. That is an important message. Looking at the economy It | :36:46. | :36:52. | |
is in recession. GDP has been falling, partly because of the price | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
of oil. It is highly dependent on hydrocarbons, and is expected to | :36:58. | :37:02. | |
fall again. Its people are falling again. People don't realise how | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
small the Russian economy is. Its GDP is about the size of Italy's. It | :37:08. | :37:14. | |
is smaller than the UK economy. Bigger than it was 15 or 20 years | :37:15. | :37:22. | |
ago. But so is Britain's does it help to take people's mind of this? | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
A huge shock to the Russian economy was a drop in the price of oil and a | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
price of gas. A drop in the price of the ruble as well. This is hurting | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
the people of Russia. On the one hand, it is the war in Syria, which | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
is very important for Russia to sort out that part of the world and | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
dispensed terrorists who might be danger to -- is dangerous to Russia. | :37:50. | :37:56. | |
But he had also has presidential election is going up. They are | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
supposed to be 2018, but some feel he will bring them forward to 2 17, | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
because the economy is not doing so well. But you need a good story for | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
the Russian people. Thank you very much. | :38:11. | :38:13. | |
We say goodbye to viewers in Scotland who leave us now | :38:14. | :38:15. | |
Coming up here in 20 minutes, the Week Ahead. | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
First, though, the Sunday Politics where you are. | :38:20. | :38:25. | |
Hello and welcome to the London part of the show. | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
Slum conditions in one of the richest cities on earth | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
Should all private landlords be licensed to help tackle the squalor? | :38:34. | :38:39. | |
Joining me for the duration of the show - Andrew Rosindell, | :38:40. | :38:41. | |
Conservative MP for Romford, and Dawn Butler, Labour MP | :38:42. | :38:44. | |
for Brent Central, and newly promoted to Labour's front bench. | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
MPs are going to get a vote on Brexit - | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
that is, a vote on the terms on which we plan to leave the EU. | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
But what signs yet that London's interests are at the forefront | :38:59. | :39:00. | |
of the government's mind as it starts to think about | :39:01. | :39:03. | |
Dorner, any view? I think that it is lucky that we have Sadiq Khan | :39:04. | :39:18. | |
pushing the London perspective. And in Parliament, we have to hold the | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
government to account. I think the government is in a mess. The reason | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
why we are getting a vote on the terms is because, in opposition we | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
put forward a good argument, and the government had to accept it. All in | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
all, I think David Davis was a bit pathetic in his comeback. The | :39:38. | :39:44. | |
government is in a mess. Should London be getting important | :39:45. | :39:48. | |
treatment, prominence, in any kind of negotiations in terms of Brexit | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
because of its economic status? No. London is part of the UK, our | :39:54. | :40:00. | |
capital city. Although in London not everyone voted for Brexit, you have | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
to look at the entire interests of the UK. We had a democratic vote. | :40:05. | :40:10. | |
There is going to be a Brexit. We need to get a good agreement for | :40:11. | :40:13. | |
trade and cooperation to benefit the whole country. Talking about seats | :40:14. | :40:20. | |
at tables, negotiating seats, and Scotland and Wales having a | :40:21. | :40:25. | |
prominence. Would you expect London to have a parity? Not at all. The | :40:26. | :40:31. | |
long-term interest of our country is to trade globally again, decide our | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
own immigration policy. All of those things are really UK wide issue | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
London can express its views, that it is the UK Government who has to | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
make the decisions. That shows why the Tory party is in such a mess. | :40:46. | :40:53. | |
London is ABBA financial capital. It needs to have some special | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
consideration. It is crazy. Let s move on. | :40:58. | :40:59. | |
It didn't happen last week - but looks like it it's | :41:00. | :41:01. | |
Of course, it now feels like it won't be much | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
and her special cabinet sub-committee decide that Heathrow | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
But the decision would only set in train a complex process, | :41:09. | :41:14. | |
After years of deliberation and delays, the government's | :41:15. | :41:17. | |
decision on airport expansion is finally expected next week. | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
And in all likelihood, it's going to be this place - Heathrow. | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
But there are a number of reasons why those awaiting the third runway | :41:27. | :41:29. | |
The Prime Minister is being accused of further dithering, | :41:30. | :41:34. | |
after she signalled this week that Parliament won't vote | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
There is, then, a formal process that has to be undertaken. | :41:38. | :41:45. | |
So the government will identify its preferred option of site. | :41:46. | :41:51. | |
That will then go to a statutory consultation. | :41:52. | :41:53. | |
The government will then consider the results of the statutory | :41:54. | :41:56. | |
consultation and bring forward an Airports National Planning | :41:57. | :41:59. | |
Statement on which this house will vote. | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
Critics say the Prime Minister's running scared | :42:04. | :42:05. | |
She's relaxing cabinet collective responsibility to allow | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
the likes of Boris Johnson and Justine Greening to speak out | :42:11. | :42:13. | |
There's also a rebellion threatened in Richmond. | :42:14. | :42:16. | |
Zac Goldsmith has pledged to step down and fight a by-election. | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
Richmond Tories this week said they'd back him as an independent | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
And then there are the legal challenges from local councils. | :42:24. | :42:30. | |
No matter what party is in control, the government cannot break the law. | :42:31. | :42:33. | |
That's what the judge told them in 2010, and that's | :42:34. | :42:36. | |
what will happen if they try to move on without dealing | :42:37. | :42:39. | |
Next week's decision might seem historic to some, | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
but this wouldn't be the first time governments have announced | :42:46. | :42:48. | |
Just as the idea of expanding Heathrow seems like it | :42:49. | :42:54. | |
might finally take off, there's every reason to believe it | :42:55. | :42:56. | |
Andrew Rossendale, do you think the time has come to go for this? No. | :42:57. | :43:12. | |
This has gone on for far too long. We need to make long-term decisions | :43:13. | :43:16. | |
in the interest of the whole country. Whilst we are delaying | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
these decisions, we are potentially damaging our economy. I think it | :43:23. | :43:25. | |
really is the time to make a decision and get on with it. In | :43:26. | :43:30. | |
terms of managing expectations, people will not be surprised if | :43:31. | :43:36. | |
Theresa May says we will go for Heathrow this week, after all the | :43:37. | :43:39. | |
controversy. It has taken so long. Just make a decision and then let's | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
talk about the decision that needs to be made. I don't think that | :43:44. | :43:50. | |
Heathrow should be the priority decision. I think it should actually | :43:51. | :43:57. | |
be Gatwick. Back in 2009, 2010, when you are trying to be elected, you | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
were supporting it. That is before I knew how many people died because of | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
poor air quality around my area almost 10,000 people a year. I don't | :44:08. | :44:13. | |
think we can overlook that. That has to be a consideration on airport | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
expansion. Why don't Unite, the biggest union, say that this is the | :44:18. | :44:27. | |
biggest, most important thing for jobs. It is important for jobs, but | :44:28. | :44:32. | |
it doesn't necessarily have to be at Heathrow. It might be the case in | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
future that both airports need expanding. We need to tackle the | :44:37. | :44:41. | |
air-quality issue. Lots of senior Labour figures, when they decided on | :44:42. | :44:44. | |
this policy several years ago, didn't feel it would happen either, | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
because they felt there would be legal challenges or air quality | :44:50. | :44:51. | |
would be an issue. Do you really think that will happen? I have | :44:52. | :44:58. | |
always been a bit sceptical about it, and I haven't been 100% for | :44:59. | :45:04. | |
Heathrow. But I think we are at a stage that if we don't hurry up and | :45:05. | :45:08. | |
get on with something, we will regret this long-term. We will lose | :45:09. | :45:12. | |
jobs and damage our economy. There are other airports on the other side | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
of the English Channel, in the Netherlands and in France, that | :45:17. | :45:19. | |
could potentially compete and take away the prominence of Heathrow as a | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
major airport in this part of Europe. So we need to get on with | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
the job and make a decision. What about the politics and the party | :45:31. | :45:35. | |
management? The prominent critics, Justine Greening and Boris Johnson, | :45:36. | :45:40. | |
paying a lot of attention at the Prime Minister spoke. To allow them | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
time-limited to criticise or to speak out. What do you think of | :45:46. | :45:50. | |
that? When something is affecting our local community, such as a major | :45:51. | :45:56. | |
road, or Crossrail, coming through my constituency. I was very unhappy | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
with it initially, because it will do damage to one part of the | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
community. We have got over that, and now we are pleased that | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
Crossrail is coming through. It will take an hour to get to Heathrow from | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
Romford. What do you say to Boris Johnson about what he should say | :46:14. | :46:18. | |
about the decision, and the history airport? | :46:19. | :46:23. | |
MPs are entitled to raise concerns if it affects their constituencies, | :46:24. | :46:30. | |
but we have to make a decision, as a government, to make a decision for | :46:31. | :46:32. | |
the long-term interests of the United Kingdom. What is going to | :46:33. | :46:36. | |
happen to your party when you have the Mayor of London and people like | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
yourself who say it isn't something that should happen? If the | :46:43. | :46:50. | |
government endorses the Davis report, you will be split, as well, | :46:51. | :46:57. | |
won't you,? We have got to look at the report in detail. We have been | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
waiting for quite a while. There will be different views and | :47:03. | :47:05. | |
differing views and I will have a different view because of how it | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
affects my constituency and when our tests have been looked through and | :47:11. | :47:16. | |
analysed we will probably come to a collective decision as a party for | :47:17. | :47:22. | |
the Zac Goldsmith has said he will stand down, but he has also said he | :47:23. | :47:26. | |
will stand as an independent if the Conservatives put up a candidate | :47:27. | :47:29. | |
against him. They have got to do that, haven't they? I hope he won't | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
stand as an independent, David Davis stood in a by-election which he | :47:36. | :47:40. | |
created and he stood again as a conservative or stop it has said he | :47:41. | :47:47. | |
-- he has said he will divorce that is a matter for him and the party. I | :47:48. | :47:57. | |
respect his decision if he goes a by-election, but at the end of the | :47:58. | :48:01. | |
day democracy has got to decide where we build this new runway and | :48:02. | :48:04. | |
if it is Heathrow we have got to get on with it. OK, thanks. | :48:05. | :48:11. | |
Now, to counter rogue landlords the Liberal democrats are calling | :48:12. | :48:13. | |
for a London-wide licensing system for all people who | :48:14. | :48:15. | |
A few authorities do this now, like Newham - | :48:16. | :48:18. | |
though the government hasn't decided yet whether it's | :48:19. | :48:20. | |
going to allow the council to renew its scheme, | :48:21. | :48:23. | |
Officers from Newham Council this week making a surprise inspection. | :48:24. | :48:26. | |
Every landlord in the borough needs a licence from the local | :48:27. | :48:33. | |
You might not be able to smell this, but there's quite a serious gas leak | :48:34. | :48:40. | |
We think it's coming from the cooker. | :48:41. | :48:43. | |
We've got a room here where everyone in the property is smoking. | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
There's no fire detection, and then we've got a very tight | :48:49. | :48:50. | |
kitchen with a cooker that is blocking | :48:51. | :48:53. | |
So if there was a fire, and you're in that room, | :48:54. | :49:00. | |
This would originally have been part of the garden, | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
but someone's thrown up some walls and turned that into the bathroom. | :49:05. | :49:07. | |
And if we come in, particularly unpleasant bathroom, | :49:08. | :49:09. | |
The question is, how does this make you feel if you're living here? | :49:10. | :49:19. | |
What impact does this have on your life? | :49:20. | :49:21. | |
And if you're here, you can tell it's going to have a big impact | :49:22. | :49:24. | |
There's a dehumanising element to it. | :49:25. | :49:26. | |
How does it make you feel to live here? | :49:27. | :49:28. | |
But you haven't got any where else to go? | :49:29. | :49:33. | |
New research by the Liberal Democrats on the London Assembly, | :49:34. | :49:40. | |
seen exclusively by Sunday Politics, has found that Newham are far | :49:41. | :49:42. | |
and away the toughest council in London, taking 286 prosecutions | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
against landlords in the last year we have figures for, | :49:49. | :49:53. | |
In contrast, 16 London boroughs have prosecuted fewer than ten. | :49:54. | :50:02. | |
A further eight didn't prosecute any. | :50:03. | :50:03. | |
The Lib Dems say they want Newham-style landlord | :50:04. | :50:05. | |
Quite a few boroughs in London have partial schemes | :50:06. | :50:08. | |
for part of their borough, but what I want, for across | :50:09. | :50:12. | |
London there to be a blanket licensing scheme. | :50:13. | :50:14. | |
Landlords can offset the costs against their tax returns so it | :50:15. | :50:16. | |
What it does mean, it enables local authorities to have the officers | :50:17. | :50:22. | |
in place who can take action where it is needed and I think | :50:23. | :50:25. | |
across London in the last year there have been 4000 cases | :50:26. | :50:27. | |
where very serious hazards have been found. | :50:28. | :50:30. | |
Whether it is not having electricity, not having | :50:31. | :50:32. | |
People should not be living in London in those | :50:33. | :50:38. | |
But would mandatory licensing risk punishing all the good landlords? | :50:39. | :50:49. | |
By making them unfairly pay for all of the rogue ones. | :50:50. | :50:52. | |
Richard Blanco from the National Landlords Association | :50:53. | :50:54. | |
In Newham of the 22,000 landlords that have been licensed only 4% | :50:55. | :51:03. | |
of them are deemed as being of concern and I would hope | :51:04. | :51:05. | |
that the local authority could use their existing resources | :51:06. | :51:13. | |
to find that relatively small number of non compliant landlords. | :51:14. | :51:15. | |
The government seems to have no appetite for mandatory licensing. | :51:16. | :51:18. | |
There is an issue here, you are asking every single | :51:19. | :51:20. | |
landlord, many of whom do a perfectly good job, | :51:21. | :51:22. | |
There's an argument for concentrating on the properties | :51:23. | :51:31. | |
in the particular geographical area where you think | :51:32. | :51:33. | |
That said, in Newham's case they were able to go ahead | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
with the borough wide scheme and I think that is part of London | :51:38. | :51:40. | |
where the problem has been at its worst. | :51:41. | :51:42. | |
But could the government be about to call time | :51:43. | :51:44. | |
It is due to wind up next year and the council have to reapply | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
We will wait to see the evidence first. | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
I think it is my job to look at the evidence of what they have | :51:53. | :51:55. | |
done and then I will take a decision at that point in time. | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
But what I do want your viewers to be clear about is | :52:00. | :52:01. | |
that the government is determined to crack down on rogue landlords. | :52:02. | :52:04. | |
It is not just that it is a disgrace that vulnerable people should be | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
forced to live in this kind of accommodation, | :52:09. | :52:09. | |
it is also very unfair to the legitimate people | :52:10. | :52:12. | |
who are good landlords who are being undercut by people | :52:13. | :52:14. | |
So, could it be, rather than the Lib Dems call for schemes | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
like Newham to be rolled out across the capital, | :52:19. | :52:21. | |
that we are actually about to see it all scaled back? | :52:22. | :52:23. | |
I am joined by Sir Robin Wales, Mayor of Newham. | :52:24. | :52:25. | |
The point made by the landlords association, just a small number | :52:26. | :52:28. | |
that you end up tackling but everyone is buying. Two things | :52:29. | :52:33. | |
happen, the scheme is ?1 80 per week for a landlord. -- everyone is | :52:34. | :52:41. | |
paying. There are amateur landlords that we can help and advice, it is a | :52:42. | :52:45. | |
supportive scheme, but they are also criminal landlords who are packing | :52:46. | :52:51. | |
people into homes and exploiting people and the amount of anti-social | :52:52. | :52:56. | |
behaviour that happens in these places is astonishing and that is | :52:57. | :52:59. | |
why we originally did it across the borough, and since we have done that | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
anti-social behaviour has fallen by 60% in those properties. You being | :53:04. | :53:09. | |
overzealous, you are far and away out there doing it? -- you are. Why | :53:10. | :53:16. | |
is that? We have put money into law-enforcement. Is the problem | :53:17. | :53:20. | |
worse there than in other places? Yes. But there are other bad places, | :53:21. | :53:28. | |
as well. Why did they not do what you have done? We have decided it | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
was important to our residents and we put money into it. About 120 | :53:33. | :53:39. | |
people who spend a significant part of the time in forcing. It is no | :53:40. | :53:44. | |
good having a licensing scheme unless you in force and we have got | :53:45. | :53:53. | |
criminal landlords, which we call them, and those properties become | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
family homes rather than places in which people live in those | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
conditions you saw. Brent, there must be problems there? We don't | :54:04. | :54:11. | |
have full landlord licensing in all areas of Brent, in three areas, so | :54:12. | :54:14. | |
we are not doing as well as Newham in that respect. There is a problem | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
with rogue landlords and they need to be weeded out. Brent prosecuted | :54:20. | :54:26. | |
50 rogue landlords and there was one who had a daughter property. -- who | :54:27. | :54:34. | |
had a lot of property. There is a problem? There is a scheme which | :54:35. | :54:39. | |
issues but landlords, if they need help and people are not paying their | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
rents, -- which is helpful to landlords. It is a scheme which is | :54:44. | :54:48. | |
weeding out rogue landlords and making sure people have a decent | :54:49. | :54:51. | |
place to live because those people renting in Brent has gone up 86 and | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
that is a lot of people renting spending a lot of money for | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
substandard accommodation. One of your local authorities is about to | :55:01. | :55:02. | |
introduce it, do you think they should? Is it a big problem. It is | :55:03. | :55:09. | |
becoming a real problem, and I think what Robin is saying is right. If | :55:10. | :55:13. | |
you don't deal with it across the board you will have loopholes and | :55:14. | :55:18. | |
people will slip through, and also you push it out. If it is dealt with | :55:19. | :55:24. | |
in one borough but not the next the problem is pushed out further, and | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
in Hay bring we are taking decisive action to deal with it. -- pave | :55:28. | :55:33. | |
ring. Hopefully we will work with Newham to look at the best practice | :55:34. | :55:36. | |
to make sure this works impractical terms. The Newham scheme is | :55:37. | :55:44. | |
time-limited, should it be extended? Sometimes you have to let local | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
authorities have flexibility. I m not convinced that everything needs | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
to go via the government, there is a problem in London and it is | :55:55. | :55:57. | |
happening across the whole of the capital, including outer London | :55:58. | :56:02. | |
boroughs where I am, we need some kind of licensing to clamp down on | :56:03. | :56:06. | |
these people, they are ruining local communities and destroying nice | :56:07. | :56:09. | |
family homes and turning it into a place that no one wants to live You | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
are organising it and paying for it and administrating it. Why should | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
the government determine whether you should carry it on? I think it | :56:20. | :56:23. | |
should be dealt with locally, like most things, Brent is doing partial, | :56:24. | :56:28. | |
that is fine. They know their local situation better than government. | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
Leaving us free to do it would be effective. I give you an example, | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
21% of the people in my borough do not get the national minimum wage | :56:38. | :56:44. | |
because government enforces. We have been campaigning to enforce so we | :56:45. | :56:47. | |
stopped exploiting people in the workplace as well as in where they | :56:48. | :56:50. | |
live, but because government hasn't given us those powers it is not | :56:51. | :56:57. | |
enforced. Make local authorities make the decisions locally. You re | :56:58. | :57:05. | |
not going to have a bridge going across from Galleon 's reach. You | :57:06. | :57:13. | |
wanted that? You are disappointed? They will be a public transport link | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
but we want more than that and we will continue to campaign along with | :57:18. | :57:21. | |
most of East London, to say we want that bridge, but to be fair Sadiq | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
Khan is looking at things and considering it. He has not been in | :57:26. | :57:30. | |
that long. Let's wait eight years, if he has failed for eight years | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
like Boris Johnson, maybe we can criticise him. He has said he might | :57:35. | :57:40. | |
consider another DLR, but not a road. We gave up with Boris. You're | :57:41. | :57:49. | |
going to give up with Sadiq Khan? I'd tell you the difference, Boris | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
Johnson gave as a cable car, Sadiq Khan is talking about a proper | :57:54. | :57:58. | |
transport link. He is listening and we will discuss it with him and we | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
will keep campaigning. We are very helpful and very optimistic, but I | :58:04. | :58:05. | |
will criticise him after eight years of failure like Boris. OK, we will | :58:06. | :58:11. | |
leave you with that. Thank you. Now for the rest of the political | :58:12. | :58:15. | |
news - in 60 seconds. London Mayor Sadiq Khan has begun | :58:16. | :58:18. | |
lobbying for a London visa. So that businesses in the capital | :58:19. | :58:22. | |
can continue to hire from abroad, after an anticipated end to free | :58:23. | :58:25. | |
movement from within the EU. This is a critical issue for London | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
business and higher education. Access to talent is a vital part | :58:30. | :58:33. | |
of London's economy, creating jobs The Conservatives have hit out | :58:34. | :58:36. | |
at boundary review proposals the North West London, | :58:37. | :58:44. | |
in an attempt to keep Under current proposals | :58:45. | :58:47. | |
Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson s seat of Uxbridge and South Ruislip | :58:48. | :58:53. | |
will be split between the new seat of Hillingdon and Uxbridge | :58:54. | :58:55. | |
and the existing Ruislip Northwood and Pinner seat represented by Tory | :58:56. | :58:59. | |
minister Nick Hurd. The UK Government has been hauled | :59:00. | :59:02. | |
back before the courts over its failure to | :59:03. | :59:05. | |
tackle air pollution. In a case beginning this week | :59:06. | :59:09. | |
a group called Client Earth is asking the High Court to order | :59:10. | :59:13. | |
ministers to come up with a better If London can cope, culturally and | :59:14. | :59:31. | |
in its attitudes, to more immigration, and needs them for its | :59:32. | :59:36. | |
economy, should it have a special treatment, a regionalised Visa | :59:37. | :59:42. | |
system? In order for there not to be huge panic, and currently there is, | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
businesses are panicking, people already here are panicking about | :59:47. | :59:49. | |
whether they will have security of job, then, yes, it makes sense. The | :59:50. | :59:55. | |
mayor has got his campaign to say that London is open for business and | :59:56. | :59:58. | |
he is running a very successful campaign, and I think it is so | :59:59. | :00:02. | |
important. We need London to give thriving in the UK. We have known | :00:03. | :00:07. | |
your position, but now this is a reality, Brexit, do you not have any | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
concerns when you hear the City of London and big business, people | :00:14. | :00:15. | |
saying they are worried and they worried about skills? I'm not a | :00:16. | :00:21. | |
slightest bit worried, but I'm really pleased we now have the | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
opportunity to have a fair immigration system. It means whether | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
you are Italian or Indian you get the same equal chance to live and | :00:30. | :00:33. | |
work in Britain, the current policy by being in the EU is discrimination | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
against the Commonwealth. What about a London wide thing? It depends how | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
you define London. I'm in Romford which is on the edge of London, is | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
that really part of London in this context? It is a UK wide policy | :00:50. | :00:55. | |
which is needed, definitely flexibility, where there are regions | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
which need certain kinds of immigration and people that need | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
work permits for particular jobs, the governor has to be sensible | :01:03. | :01:06. | |
about implementing that policy, but it has to be our policy -- the | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
government. We are running out of time. The mayor Sadiq Khan is going | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
to choose whether he would like to go ahead with this policy, I know. | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
And now back to Andrew. So, Brexit, airports, | :01:17. | :01:25. | |
Calais and the chances With what Rory Stewart was saying | :01:26. | :01:47. | |
there, it is clear that Islamic State is losing territory in Iraq | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
now, and could come under pressure in Syria as well. It used to control | :01:52. | :01:58. | |
a whole swathe of the coast of Libya, and is now down to a small | :01:59. | :02:06. | |
area of Sirte in Libya. But curiously, it could make them more | :02:07. | :02:09. | |
dangerous here if they are being driven out of the Maghreb and the | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
Levant, they could be more dangerous here. Discuss. That was a very | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
interesting admission from a government minister, of all people, | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
and a well-informed one. Chasing Isis around the Middle East is | :02:25. | :02:32. | |
about... Like chasing Al-Qaeda around Afghanistan and Pakistan You | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
smash them somewhere, and they pop up somewhere else. He is right to | :02:36. | :02:44. | |
warn that these guys will go somewhere. And it may well be, in | :02:45. | :02:56. | |
Sirte, for example, across the magic oration -- across the Mediterranean | :02:57. | :03:01. | |
into Italy. A lot of the foreign fighters in Mosul have already gone, | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
we heard, which raises the question, to where? I think it is quite right | :03:05. | :03:13. | |
for government ministers to warn that it might have repercussions | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
here. We have been involved in this, with full public consent, as far as | :03:18. | :03:22. | |
we can tell. If it doesn't happen, if there are horrors and outrages | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
here and in the rest of Europe, that's fine. If it does happen, at | :03:27. | :03:33. | |
least the government is prepared. We knew surprised about how categorical | :03:34. | :03:41. | |
Nia Griffith was? She was categorical about support for the | :03:42. | :03:47. | |
Allied action in Iraq, and categorical about Russia. So much so | :03:48. | :03:54. | |
that perhaps written should take tougher sanctions on its own, even | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
if it can't get the Europeans to fall in line. I found that | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
interesting. I was surprised by that. Tom may be right that Rory | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
said more than perhaps he was intending, but I thought that some | :04:10. | :04:14. | |
of what she said sounded politically imprudent in the current context of | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
the Labour Party. I'm not sure she cleared those lines with the Labour | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
office. I'm not sure she and Jeremy are in the same place about it. I'm | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
not sure there is that much leadership. People at the moment get | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
out there and say what they think it's right for the party. She | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
sounded dead right to me. Whether it is ill-advised or not, people should | :04:37. | :04:42. | |
answer... I want to move on, because Brexit never goes away. This week we | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
saw Hilary Benn, former Shadow Foreign Secretary. He is going to be | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
the chair of the select committee in the Commons which will monitor the | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
Department for Brexit. All sorts of people will be coming to give | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
testimony and so one. Let's hear what he told Andrew Marr. | :05:01. | :05:03. | |
I think it will be very important for the government to indicate that | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
if it is not possible within the two years provided for by Article 5 | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
to negotiate both our withdrawal agreement and a new trading | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
relationship, market access, including for services, | :05:13. | :05:13. | |
80% of our economy, million jobs, in financial services, | :05:14. | :05:15. | |
that it should tell the House of Commons that it will seek | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
a transitional arrangement with the European Union. | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
If the deal is not done at the end of the two-year Article 50 process, | :05:25. | :05:33. | |
would the government go for an interim agreement, or would it fall | :05:34. | :05:38. | |
back on WTO, World Trade Organisation, Rawls? My | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
understanding is the article 15 negotiation doesn't specifically | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
include what Britain's future trading relationship with the EU | :05:47. | :05:51. | |
would be. It is perfectly possible that Article 50 could be triggered, | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
and after two years we don't have a trade deal, but the trade deal | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
negotiations are ongoing when we are outside the EU. But the trade deal | :06:02. | :06:12. | |
negotiations are the most important thing. If Article 50 doesn't cover | :06:13. | :06:14. | |
it, what is it about? Absolutely essential. The trade deal with | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
Canada has taken nine years, and now it looks like it is fading, because | :06:18. | :06:25. | |
of the Walloons. Just one small part of the country. If you cannot do a | :06:26. | :06:34. | |
free-trade deal with Canada, a progressive, social Democratic | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
Canada, who can the EU do a trade deal with? You would think it would | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
be easy with us, because we have all of the level playing field | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
agreements in place. You would hope it would be easier, but it may not | :06:46. | :06:51. | |
be, because in the end, it will hinge on the single market and if we | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
are in or out. If we are in, can we have a small break on immigration? | :06:57. | :07:05. | |
It looks like not. What is interesting about the opinion polls | :07:06. | :07:07. | |
is, in the last two opinion polls there was a significant change in | :07:08. | :07:12. | |
public opinion, where people are now saying they think that actually | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
trade, the economy, the single market is more important than | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
immigration. If it is really true, as the observer is reporting today, | :07:22. | :07:26. | |
that banks are on the move, and in a year's time there could be a | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
significant collapse in the income we get from finance, the income that | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
the Treasury gets, then public opinion might change. They may say, | :07:35. | :07:45. | |
we don't want more immigration, but this isn't a price worth paying | :07:46. | :07:48. | |
Everything tends to be seen through the Brexit lens at the moment. | :07:49. | :07:56. | |
Things are not always as they seem. The Canadian- EU free trade | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
agreement was about increasing free trade between the EU and Canada and | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
therefore subject to the ratification of all members. Any | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
deal we do will not give us the same access we have at the moment. The | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
question is, how much will it be diminished? It may not be subject to | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
the same ratification process. Absolutely right. Another | :08:21. | :08:22. | |
unbelievably technical point that we still don't know is, if we can get | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
this free-trade deal with the EU at the same time as our Brexit talks | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
and deal, the divorce deal as well as the remarriage deal, then one | :08:35. | :08:42. | |
gets signed off by QM V. The trade deal may still need all 28, all 27, | :08:43. | :08:51. | |
including the people from the Walloons. And the MEPs. The majority | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
of parliament. This is exactly why Theresa May would like the | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
transitional deal to push this one deeper. I was surprised to hear | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
Hilary Benn pushing this line this morning. The remainers have been all | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
over the place. They wanted a vote after Article 50 had been triggered | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
about the deal. Then they wanted a vote before Article 50. Now they are | :09:15. | :09:22. | |
talking about a vote before article Article 50 is triggered about a | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
trade deal. They need to make up their minds about what it is they | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
are pushing for, and what their best hope of obstructing Brexit is, and | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
stick with it. Something else we see through the Brexit lens, which isn't | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
always helpful, is Calais. The French bulldozers will move in | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
tomorrow. We will see some pretty disturbing scenes on the TV. We will | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
see some horrible scenes. The government has handled this very | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
badly. Having passed an amendment in April saying we would take something | :09:56. | :10:01. | |
like 3000 children, a lot of those children have disappeared. Save the | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
Children, one of the charities there, are very worried that people | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
traffickers have been in there, and a lot of those children have | :10:09. | :10:16. | |
vanished. We haven't sent social workers in. No preparations have | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
been made what ever. You are raising an interesting point. We don't know | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
how many we are meant to be taking. The huge argument has arisen over | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
what the age is of some of the ones coming in. Is this another problem | :10:32. | :10:38. | |
for the Home Office? To some extent. Didn't Theresa May 's too well to | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
survive six weeks of this? Amber Rudd has been there for three | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
months. It is clear that the Home Office didn't prepare for this. They | :10:49. | :10:51. | |
didn't prepare for the age verification or when it will go It | :10:52. | :10:59. | |
needs to be an perfect. We don't know how many we will take, because | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
the Home Office will not say. I want to talk about airport capacity, but | :11:06. | :11:09. | |
I won't, because I don't think we have anything to say about it until | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
the statement on Tuesday from Transport Minister Grayling. When | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
you look at the polls and see the decision on airport runway expansion | :11:20. | :11:22. | |
being kicked into the long grass for a year, are we heading for an early | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
election next year or not? I think Theresa May will do everything she | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
can to avoid it. If there is an election before 2020, it is bound to | :11:33. | :11:40. | |
be about Europe, and that is a much harder case for her to win than just | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
a question of who is the best Prime Minister. She will have a tough | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
time, because it will be a general election about in or out of the | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
single market. Half of her party will peel away. How do she conduct a | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
general election when the likes of Anna Soubry will not stand on the | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
same platform? It will be difficult. But she may reach such a stalemate | :12:04. | :12:12. | |
that she just calls one. No general election next year because it will | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
split the Tory party. There will be won in 2019 when she cannot get | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
Brexit through the House of Commons. You really can have too much of a | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
good thing. I just want to show a little clip of the former Shadow | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
Chancellor, Ed Balls, from Strictly last night. Let's just watch this. | :12:29. | :12:32. | |
There he is. Where is the hand? That is the | :12:33. | :12:44. | |
worrying bit! We will no longer be saying that Ed Balls is a safe pair | :12:45. | :12:52. | |
of hands! Can we agree on that? Remarkable that he was once the man | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
most feared by David Cameron! Labour leader 2021. He has hit popular | :12:57. | :13:05. | |
culture in the way that many few politicians do. Charm, gusto, | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
bravery, no worries about being embarrassed. All the things that you | :13:12. | :13:18. | |
don't like about being a politician. We have run out of time. You can get | :13:19. | :13:20. | |
it on social media. Jo Coburn will be back | :13:21. | :13:23. | |
with the Daily Politics tomorrow And I'll be back here next | :13:24. | :13:25. | |
Sunday at the same time. Remember if it's Sunday, | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
it's the Sunday Politics. Everyone's living these | :13:30. | :14:03. | |
amazing lives, You're like a... | :14:04. | :14:05. | |
Different person? Delve deeper. | :14:06. | :14:16. | |
Ordinary Lives continues... They have something on me | :14:17. | :14:25. | |
that I can actually remember. They have something on me | :14:26. | :14:26. | |
that I can actually remember. The final chapter between | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
Gibson and Spector. | :14:31. | :14:35. |