05/02/2012 Sunday Politics North East and Cumbria


05/02/2012

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Stop throwing snowballs and concentrate. Next leg has lost

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another... Poll ratings are in single figures. A third of flight

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sacked Heathrow were cancelled and that was before it started snowing.

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Transport secretary is here. The Government that is about to

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consult on gay marriage, a member of their Church of England call

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head-to-head. Our regular panel of the best and

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brightest are back treating throughout the programme. In the

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North East, the general secretary its is told to tackle schools. Will

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1759 seconds

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Their education secretary warned that Cumbria of's schools are in

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need of investment. We meet a Maryport teacher to hear how the

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problem affects children. With me, is John Stephenson and Simon panic.

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Our young people being put off university by the cost? That may be

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the case. People from the North East is down by 11 %. Some

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universities have been affected more than others. Applications at

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Sunderland have fallen by 16 %. Newcastle had a less dramatic fall.

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Some have seen a rise. These students are at Whitby

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Community College and both are ambitious. I wanted something in

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art and design. I want to going to events management. With those

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ambitions, universities should beckon. The face tuition fees of up

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to �9,000 a year. Has that put them off? I do not have to put it up --

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appeared off until I am learning. I wanted the university experience as

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well as what comes with it. It will not put me off. A I am from a low-

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income family. I have no more financial support. I need to take a

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year out to make a dent in the fees. If a cannot get the money, I will

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not be going. I cannot afford to do it otherwise. This is the president

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of students' union at Cumbria University. What is you take? You

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can read admissions figures in different ways. It is worrying that

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they are down but this was predicted. It will be concerning

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two students. It will put some off. The figures do not suggest it is a

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huge drop. You can be accused of scaremongering. A I do not think

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that is the case. Students are taking a more investment decision

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where to go. The effects are not felt yet. They will be felt in the

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future. In the future, there will be students who have not always

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thought they would call to university. What do you think of

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universities having either a drop or a rise? For it is worrying that

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the North East has had a drop as a halt. Students... You want brainy

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people? Yes. If those people do not study here, they need not stay. It

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is worrying that students are making their way into education and

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may not do in the future. These figures can be interpreted in

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different ways. It looks like there is a call at some stage. We must be

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careful about the statistics. Last year, when they were a lot of

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applicants, if you go back to 2009, it is broadly the same. Deraa

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career choices here. There must be other people -- choices. Would you

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will come fewer people going to university? You have to get the

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balance right. Those who want to go all, they should off. We must make

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sure there are trainee courses for engineers and technicians. We are

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making sure we have a skilled workforce for industry so we can be

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successful economically. Labour where as bad for scaremongering.

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There has not been a big drop-off. What is worrying is the numbers

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applying from the North East has dropped by more than average. I

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think it is part of a wider issue of skills in this region. If we

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have also seen a larger than average fall for mature students.

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There wasn't a big collapse. have heard and I would agree with

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this that it is the first set of figures that we have jumped on. It

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is right that we will have to see how this pans out over time.

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Nevertheless, it is a worry that it has affected the North East more

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than other regions. Cumbria got an increase but it cut its fees. Is

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there a danger that people will go there and end up on a course that

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it is not as good? That suggests there is a choice. Universities

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might be tempted to Lord fees to get those students. Students will

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tap the courses they want to go on and will make their own judgment.

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It is interesting that Cumbria are had high fees but got more

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applications. We are moving more to a market situation. People have

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found this change difficult and that may be why. It is difficult

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for universities because there is a figure at which this is economic

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and there is a figure below which it is not economic. It is a

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delicate balancing act which all institutions had to make. Time will

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tell. Schools in Cumbria are in dire need of investment. This is

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according to Jamie Reed. Those frustrations are shared by some

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headteachers. The EC since the Building Schools for the Future

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team, there has been no money to replace outdated schools. Councils

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may still have to take out loans to pay for it.

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Netherhall School in Maryport, built in the 1950s. It is still

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standing but the buildings need updated. It is the kind of building

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that needs attention as it gets older. We have replaced the heating

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system recently, roofs. There ongoing issues that go with a

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building of the siege. It missed out on funding when the collision

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cancelled Labour's building schools for the future. It was not just

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about the condition of the building. It is about suitability of the

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learning environment. It is important for the west coast of

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Cumbria. It is important our students are able to get access to

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cutting-edge science facilities at set-up. The situation is getting

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attention in Westminster. We are in desperate need for some --

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investments. It was tragic when that was taken away by the

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Government but they need for investment grows. They need is

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greater now you than it has ever been. This is a sort of thing Ed

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head teacher would love to see. The rich and draws central academy in

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Carlisle. It is the envy of the area. In this modern age, our young

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people see environments for all sorts of activities and the one

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school is not in the same league. They will know they are treated as

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second-class citizens. He the Government will announce who is

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benefiting from the replacement for Bill Building Schools for the

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Future. There is the billion pounds to spend on 300 schools in the

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worst condition. They will have to sign 27 here PFI contracts to get

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cash. You become cynical because we're talking 3 billion for this

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programme. It is permission to borrow 3 billion. It is not a grant.

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The local council says the previous scheme was not perfect but they're

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hoping to get money this time. Expectations were far beyond the

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ability to produce the benefits of schools on that list. The

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Government came along with some money. Hopley, more of our schools

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will be on that list. Government is being blamed for

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coming up with a replacement. The rules will be tighter and the money

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far less plentiful than in the past. This is said to be approaching

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crisis point. The Building Schools for the Future was not as good as

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people thought it was. There were only 42 schools finished. You must

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remember we had the recession and the leader party were going to cut

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spending themselves. We have 15.8 billion set aside for expenditure.

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There is money available. It is tighter. It is unfair that some

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pupils are being taught in state- of-the-art buildings and those in

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Mary Park -- Maryport are not. must be careful when we talk about

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buildings. Education quality is more important. Is that you do?

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Having been around some of the new buildings in Durham, you can see

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the difference. It inspires young people and inspires them to raise

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the aspirations which is a biggish to in the North East. Some cannot

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afford to do that. It is unfortunate that there are schools

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across this region that to run a terrible condition. I would like to

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see schools being funded on the basis of need. I do not see that.

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What basis is that on? There are suspicions that funding is being

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top sliced away from organisations like Durham County Council.

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Academy's programmes started under the Labour government. We have

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extended it and I think that is right. I think these comments are

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bizarre. I am confused about the government's ideas. Isn't this

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borrowing money against the future? A lot depends on how the PFI is

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dealt with. We have learned from the last government that we must

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ensure we get value for money. days are gone when architects

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design spectacular buildings. not sure we have had fancy

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architect-designed buildings. Not only have we lost BSF, we have lost

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half of the capital for schools. In the case of some schools in poor

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condition, to prioritise them, we can do a bet. What can you do in 60

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seconds? We will offer you the whole political week.

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Britain's biggest rail union has protested outside stations. The

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applause a report which will cost their members' jobs.? Hospitals

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will be taken over. They will be run by another trust. Have you been

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stopped in the street light verse? Is it time to tighten up the rules?

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I found aggressive techniques. Extending the bones of the

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Yorkshire... And North Tyneside N P is promising to do her best in

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taking up her new role as the first ambassador for or Northumberland.

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Let us talk about a hospital. Your local hospital has been taken over

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by a trust. I think it is good news. Northumbria has a track record of

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good management. It has been a long time in coming. The Government has

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come up with a bail-out fund. Will that help? Undoubtedly. I am

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delighted. My colleagues have campaigned for it. It is welcome

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news. We saw Newcastle wanting to stop chuggers. Would you support a

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ban? The issue in Newcastle is that there are other places where those

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people cannot fault because they are run privately run shopping

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centres. They are all forced into the same place. I have sympathy for

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the council to try to come up with a solution which is fair not just

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on charities, but on the public. do support more regulation. --? In

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a crowded environment, how do they get money for? If the public come

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to the Council of to say something should be done, it is the job of

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elected representatives to represent the public nor one likes

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to have lot of new regulation, but they may be is a better way. We do

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not seem to have the same problem in Carlisle. Around Westminster, it

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is not something we see. I will gratefully accept donations. Thanks

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