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Could Britain thrive and prosper In the North East and Cumbria: | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
The council that's giving 2,000 of its staff a pay rise, despite | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
millions of pounds of cuts. Could helping the lowest paid kick- | :01:26. | :01:36. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2064 seconds | :01:36. | :36:00. | |
Hello and the warmest of welcomes do your local part of the show. It | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
may be the age of austerity but 2000 staff at this North East | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
council are getting a pay rise. It is part of the campaign to give low | :36:08. | :36:18. | |
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paid workers a living wage. The MP for Redcar, Ian Swales, and | :36:19. | :36:27. | |
Durham MP better lap onwards. -- Roberta Blackman-Woods. Wind farms. | :36:27. | :36:33. | |
Which side are you on? I support them there. I have opposed one in | :36:33. | :36:38. | |
my constituency in A&P Tees got but I am watching an offshore wind farm | :36:38. | :36:45. | |
being built Wright. I am delighted to see that development of the | :36:45. | :36:50. | |
beach. In the right place, I'm totally supportive of wind farms. | :36:50. | :36:54. | |
There are a lot of people in County Durham who like to see the end of | :36:54. | :37:02. | |
wind farms. What would Labour do? First of all, it is outrageous to | :37:02. | :37:05. | |
have more on this from the Government this week. I have not | :37:06. | :37:10. | |
got a clear energy policy will stop we are going to grow our economy. | :37:10. | :37:14. | |
Businesses need to know what our energy sources are going to be in | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
the future. I do think the Government have to get their act | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
together on this. Labour thinks there should be a local decision | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
and we want to make sure people are able to use the planning process to | :37:26. | :37:31. | |
get wind farms or oppose them as they see fit. We will return to | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
wind farms. In these days of austerity, local | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
councils are having to make big cutbacks so it might come as a | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
surprise that one local authority in the North East in giving a pay | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
rise to 2000 of its lowest paid workers. More councils could be an | :37:47. | :37:51. | |
act to follow suit. For 15 years, cleaner Marlene has | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
helped keep the Civic Centre spick- and-span. Now she will get a pay | :37:55. | :38:03. | |
rise, pushing her wages up by a back �170 a month. It will make a | :38:03. | :38:08. | |
big difference. You try to cut down on your future pink, your bills, | :38:08. | :38:15. | |
everything. That little bit extra, which is a lot, really, is | :38:15. | :38:21. | |
excellent for me and everybody else here. She'll get a rise along with | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
about 2000 other staff at Newcastle City Council. That is because the | :38:25. | :38:29. | |
council has decided to adopt so called living wage. This will be | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
sampans 20 an hour, just over �1 more than the national minimum wage. | :38:34. | :38:40. | |
It will cost the council an extra �1 million in a year, which will be | :38:40. | :38:45. | |
met through internal efficiencies. We recognised in the council be in | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
pink people a proper rate for their work and minimum wage is not enough | :38:50. | :38:57. | |
to live on. So we thought it was a good idea. Eta has been introduced | :38:57. | :39:01. | |
to ten or 12 years ago elsewhere in the country. We asked an | :39:01. | :39:05. | |
independent panel to investigate it for us. The council also claims | :39:05. | :39:12. | |
paying staff more will keep their local economy a shop in the arm. | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
Many that his pay due less well-off workers ends up in the local | :39:16. | :39:22. | |
economy. -- money paid to less well off workers. It will be spent in | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
local shops. It is not just Newcastle City Council. These are | :39:25. | :39:34. | |
my politics -- the Sunday Politics has learnt that Sunderland will | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
introduce the idea and other councils may follow suit. But | :39:39. | :39:45. | |
surely higher wages brings more cost and less profit? Not so, says | :39:45. | :39:50. | |
one fan who has studied be living wage. The makes people more | :39:50. | :39:53. | |
comfortable in the drop in the longer term. They are more | :39:53. | :40:01. | |
committed to their employer. Attention, sickness, all of these | :40:01. | :40:07. | |
things that build towards private dignity -- productivity, benefit | :40:07. | :40:16. | |
the business. His bakery opened earlier this year. It is run by | :40:16. | :40:22. | |
Neil Le Flohic. He is weighed down by a VAT, National Insurance and | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
business rates. He would like a bit more help from the Government and | :40:26. | :40:32. | |
council. Until then, he cannot afford to pay a living wage. At the | :40:32. | :40:38. | |
moment I was paid less than any one of white staff. If there was more | :40:38. | :40:45. | |
money I would like to pay my staff more. Unless I am paying living | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
wage either will be difficult to keep them wrong turn. But if there | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
was a little more flexibility in the way things go in business I | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
would be able to do that. A living wage for workers could pay | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
dividends for the economy, boosting spending and bringing in millions | :41:01. | :41:07. | |
in revenue for the Treasury. But there is a fear that bringing up | :41:07. | :41:12. | |
council wages means it is less attractive for people to work in | :41:12. | :41:18. | |
the private sector. Let's talk to Ted Salmon, regional | :41:18. | :41:21. | |
chairman for the Federation of Small Businesses in the North East. | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
You have heard the arguments. Why can't the private sector adopt | :41:25. | :41:32. | |
this? What you will find really is that the minimum wage is the | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
requirement and the giving weight is the aspirational part of it. For | :41:35. | :41:40. | |
a lot of small businesses, they paid significantly above the | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
minimum wage because, as the gentleman was saying in the film, | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
it adds to the retention, to the motivation of the staff. | :41:49. | :41:54. | |
everyone is doing this. everyone can afford to but where a | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
business can afford to, a small business, they tend to do that. | :41:58. | :42:06. | |
Should more of them do it? Ideally, yes. Tell us what is stopping some | :42:06. | :42:13. | |
businesses. It comes down to all the requirements that are on | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
business, and people will say, though, it is just another �1 an | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
hour but you have fuel costs that have gone up, you are elected costs, | :42:22. | :42:29. | |
business rates, next year we're going to have HMRC bringing in the | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
live accounting element, so that is going to take up more staff time, | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
so that is another drain on resources. It is a bit like the | :42:37. | :42:42. | |
principle of, oh, back will only take five minutes. There is only a | :42:42. | :42:50. | |
finite amount of five minutes. you see these making it up harder | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
for the private sector of the -- can you see these making it harder | :42:55. | :43:02. | |
for the private sector to retain staff? No, 80% of people looking | :43:02. | :43:10. | |
for work are going to get a job in the private sector. 95 % of those | :43:10. | :43:18. | |
are going to be in the small and micro business sector. It is not | :43:19. | :43:25. | |
such a problem, in your view? less of a problem than some people | :43:25. | :43:32. | |
think. Would you like to see Durham committed this? Very much. I am | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
pleased Newcastle City Council is leading the way in the region. I | :43:36. | :43:42. | |
think that from the beginning of November, paying the living wage is | :43:42. | :43:47. | |
a really important concept because I think it helps us understand the | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
amount of money people need to be paid to be able to meet their | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
everyday living expenses and it is really good that local authorities | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
are also thinking about how to use their procurement processes so when | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
they are pig during services from the private sector, they look at | :44:03. | :44:05. | |
whether those private sector organisations can also pay the | :44:05. | :44:11. | |
living wage. Isn't this rather strange that the council's | :44:11. | :44:16. | |
marketing jobs and everything and certainly they can add �1 million | :44:16. | :44:22. | |
to get wage bill. I did not think they find it easily. But they find | :44:22. | :44:27. | |
it. I understand it is from cutting management costs, but it is a | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
really good set of priorities for them to have because this is | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
putting more money into the local economy. It should reduce the | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
amount that people are having to climb on tax credits, and it is | :44:39. | :44:44. | |
giving people a living wage which is important. Ian Swales, do you by | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
the economic arguments for this, that it will stimulate grades? | :44:49. | :44:57. | |
Sudhir pier putting more money into the local economy is a good thing. | :44:57. | :45:03. | |
We have not talked about taxes. One of the good things that the Labour | :45:03. | :45:07. | |
Government did was to bring in the minimum wage but I cannot forgive | :45:07. | :45:14. | |
them for giving a �1,000 tax bill to people on the minimum wage. | :45:14. | :45:20. | |
living wage, do you agree with it? It is an aspiration, as the FSB is | :45:20. | :45:27. | |
there. I aspirations seldom happened! This is one figure for | :45:27. | :45:30. | |
the entire country, so what people need to live on depends a lot on | :45:30. | :45:38. | |
where they live, accommodation costs, transport costs. He dues a | :45:38. | :45:45. | |
different figure for London. Yes, �1 and the hour mall. If councils | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
can afford his money, shouldn't they pass it on to the council | :45:49. | :45:56. | |
taxpayer? That is another way but you help that does not just help | :45:56. | :46:02. | |
the workers of the council. Yes, but some council workers are paid | :46:02. | :46:08. | |
to extremely low Paris. Council-tax payers are extremely hard pressed | :46:08. | :46:18. | |
at the moment. A lot of North East councils did not freeze a council | :46:18. | :46:26. | |
tax and they are giving that many await you workers. This will | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
infuriate people the basic council workers getting pay rises whereas | :46:29. | :46:34. | |
council tax goes up next year. said, a lot of councils are trying | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
to use their procurement policies to ensure that these goals and them | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
to the private-sector where it is possible to do that, and council | :46:41. | :46:47. | |
tax bills have been frozen pretty much across the piece. But you | :46:47. | :46:53. | |
could offer a cut. You put his �1 million into a budget. You can even | :46:53. | :46:58. | |
save a service or but the council tax. Instead councils are choosing | :46:58. | :47:03. | |
to pay their staff more. But my point is his and important to be | :47:03. | :47:11. | |
moving towards a wage that means people can feed their families well, | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
clothe their families well, and as a society we should be moving | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
towards paying people a living wage? | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
You may well remember the terrible events of New Year's Day. The | :47:21. | :47:26. | |
County Durham village of court and where three people were shot dead. | :47:26. | :47:31. | |
The man who did it, Michael Atherton, had a licence to own his | :47:31. | :47:37. | |
firearms quite legally and that has prompted an MP to demand action. | :47:37. | :47:41. | |
Susan McGoldrick and Alison and Tanya Turnbull, all shot on my | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
year's Day. The families believe their killer, Michael Atherton, | :47:44. | :47:49. | |
should never have been allowed to go and the shop and he turned on | :47:49. | :47:55. | |
them. They are petitioning for the gun laws to be strengthened. -- the | :47:55. | :48:01. | |
shotgun he turned on them. I would not want anyone else to go | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
through what we went through it. It is the worst possible thing ever. | :48:05. | :48:10. | |
When you find out it could have been prevented, it is just a double | :48:10. | :48:16. | |
blow. The people you loved the most in the world could still be with | :48:16. | :48:22. | |
you had it not been for mistakes that were made. That is why I want | :48:22. | :48:27. | |
them to be corrected. David and his family have the support of their | :48:27. | :48:31. | |
local MP, Grahame Morris, who backed their calls in the Commons | :48:31. | :48:38. | |
this week. It is difficult to understand why someone would need | :48:38. | :48:42. | |
access in the domestic setting to firearms. What the MP and the | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
family want is a single authority to take over the licensing of | :48:46. | :48:51. | |
firearms for the different police authorities. They want them to be | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
able to do medical checks on applicants and to check with | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
partners and ex-partners of applicants to see whether they are | :48:59. | :49:04. | |
a suitable person to have a shotgun in their home. Some of the laws are | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
tight enough already. They just need to be applied probably to | :49:08. | :49:18. | |
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prevent more bats. -- deaths. can see how much bother it might | :49:19. | :49:25. | |
cause to consult partners and ex- partners. The problem we -- with a | :49:25. | :49:32. | |
bureaucratic hurdles is that they create diversions. Ministers say | :49:32. | :49:37. | |
gun laws remain under review but no decision will be taken until the | :49:37. | :49:40. | |
report into the Horden shootings is published next year. | :49:40. | :49:46. | |
What the family are swaying -- St Bees the Government is dragging its | :49:46. | :49:52. | |
heels. -- what the family is saying is that the Government is dragging | :49:52. | :49:59. | |
its heels. This was a tragic case. Frankly, these cases are rare, that | :49:59. | :50:05. | |
legal guns are involved. But each case is tragic. Certainly, we have | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
some are the strongest gunwales in the world in this country but there | :50:08. | :50:18. | |
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is always room for improvement. -- gun laws. I am sure you will be | :50:19. | :50:25. | |
sympathetic as well, but there are 34 pieces of legislation | :50:25. | :50:31. | |
controlling the M licensing. Do really need any more legislation? | :50:31. | :50:37. | |
agree with Ian at incidents such as this one Aap frankly Barry rare in | :50:37. | :50:43. | |
this country but I was very disappointed with the minister's | :50:43. | :50:48. | |
response to Graham's excellent debate. He braced for very | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
interesting and straightforward points, that the whole system needs | :50:52. | :50:57. | |
to be simplified. There is too much regulation that police forces need | :50:57. | :51:01. | |
more guidance so that areas consistency, and we need to | :51:01. | :51:07. | |
understand more why some people need guns. It seemed to me that | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
once a set of very sensible proposals that could be paid for by | :51:12. | :51:16. | |
up in the licence fee for having guns. I be the Government could | :51:16. | :51:22. | |
implement the sensible proposals easily. The danger is it causes | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
immense problems in bureaucracy because if you have this idea of | :51:26. | :51:31. | |
getting your ex-partner, for instance, to sign the form and if | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
they do not there will be an investigation, that will have | :51:36. | :51:39. | |
police in besting the people who -- investigating people who are | :51:39. | :51:46. | |
innocent. The need to understand better why some people the guns and | :51:46. | :51:50. | |
they should be more investigation, but what Grahame Morris was calling | :51:50. | :51:55. | |
for is the cutting of bureaucracy. There are lots of different systems | :51:55. | :51:59. | |
operating at different pieces of legislation. It would be much | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
better to streamline the process. Ian Swales, can we ever legislate | :52:04. | :52:09. | |
to prevent incidents like this? There always be some particular | :52:09. | :52:14. | |
circumstances, and a lot of guns are obtained illegally. That is | :52:14. | :52:24. | |
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right. The majority of gun crime is illegally obtained guns. Did is not | :52:26. | :52:31. | |
a crime at the moment to lend A8 gun to a criminal who is done | :52:31. | :52:39. | |
registered. Where you have people few legally owned guns, you cannot | :52:39. | :52:45. | |
ever legislate for a single rogue person carrying back some a trustee, | :52:45. | :52:51. | |
unfortunately. In the days when Britain was an | :52:51. | :52:54. | |
economic powerhouse, it was places like Sunderland, Middlesbrough and | :52:54. | :53:00. | |
Gateshead that often lent the way. Now it seems the Government he | :53:00. | :53:05. | |
drank to turn the clock back a bit. Here is more on that and the rest | :53:05. | :53:10. | |
of the week's political news. Sunderland is one of 20 CAA is | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
invited to bid for new powers on the City Deal programme. Heseltine | :53:14. | :53:19. | |
says it is time to unleash the prop Newcastle and other crack it cities | :53:19. | :53:24. | |
and end the over-dependence on London. He urged in a report the | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
Government to give extra money to Local Enterprise Partnerships. | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
they are not doing it well enough, help them become stronger because | :53:32. | :53:36. | |
what you really have got to try to get hold of is the dynamism of | :53:36. | :53:42. | |
England's provincial cities and the states abandoned. Do south -- | :53:42. | :53:48. | |
Stockton Southend MP joined Conservative rebels who called for | :53:48. | :53:53. | |
a cut in the EU budget this week. A plea to help the great British | :53:53. | :54:01. | |
pub from Hartlepool MP Mr Wright. Labour will this afternoon select | :54:01. | :54:10. | |
their candidate for the Labour that -- Middlesbrough by election. | :54:10. | :54:15. | |
Not many people in this part of the world will disagree with lord | :54:15. | :54:22. | |
Heseltine that his time to balance the over-reliance on London. Isn't | :54:22. | :54:25. | |
Michael Heseltine trying to solve a problem that your Government | :54:26. | :54:31. | |
created? You scrapped the regional development agencies. The old | :54:31. | :54:35. | |
system was one size fits all and there were any 12 regional | :54:35. | :54:40. | |
development agencies. We have already had La Cenerentola its city | :54:40. | :54:50. | |
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deals and this is for another 20,. -- we have already had eight deals. | :54:56. | :55:03. | |
Michael Heseltine is right, is keen not, they have not even the Local | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
Enterprise Partnerships the resources they need? The most | :55:06. | :55:12. | |
important part of local enterprise partnerships is that they are just | :55:12. | :55:17. | |
that, partnerships. Under-resourced and underpowered? In many parts of | :55:17. | :55:21. | |
the country they are doing very good work already, including BT's | :55:21. | :55:27. | |
Aleph. One are the most important things is all regions to decide for | :55:27. | :55:33. | |
themselves. Westminster will not tell the region's what to do in the | :55:33. | :55:41. | |
way it used to. Isn't it worrying that the vision here is coming from | :55:41. | :55:48. | |
a accepted in -- septuagenarian Tory peer rather than Ed Miliband? | :55:48. | :55:52. | |
What is important is that CAA -- he sees the role of Government | :55:52. | :55:57. | |
differently to the commission. He says the Government needs a Prior | :55:57. | :56:02. | |
growth strategy, they need a growth council to drive through changes | :56:02. | :56:07. | |
that will support businesses, and of course they want more powers | :56:07. | :56:12. | |
given, and more money given to Local Enterprise Partnerships, or | :56:12. | :56:16. | |
to a level below them. Hesleden is not sure that they are the right | :56:16. | :56:22. | |
level. Will Labour Pool B its money where its mouth is by saying, we | :56:22. | :56:28. | |
will do this? The sad think I find reading it is that it is about | :56:28. | :56:32. | |
having one pot of money and not the system we have under this | :56:32. | :56:36. | |
Government. It is about having a five-year regional economic | :56:36. | :56:41. | |
strategy which seems to me to be a really good thing to have and it is | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
all of those things that were lost when we had the regional Duvall at | :56:45. | :56:49. | |
that age has done away with. Local Enterprise Partnerships are not | :56:49. | :56:56. | |
delivering. I hope that both Labour and this Government take the sport | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
seriously, because there is a lot of good stuff in it. The problem is, | :57:00. | :57:08. | |
to be blunt, you would not like to see a lot of this implemented, | :57:08. | :57:12. | |
because of the Galarza B of your coalition partners. I would not | :57:12. | :57:21. | |
agree. Hesselink says the Government's goal is to step back | :57:21. | :57:28. | |
from the economy and let the regions do their thing. We have | :57:28. | :57:33. | |
been putting a billion pounds in two regions like arts and 100 | :57:33. | :57:39. | |
McReady �5 million into the North East just two weeks ago. Is no | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
strategic oversight. No printing money to particular sectors of the | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
economy that will really deliver growth in the future. It is a | :57:48. | :57:55. | |
scattergun approach. It is what we know it's there in the region. | :57:55. | :57:59. | |
irony is that lord Heseltine is chair of the Regional Growth Fund. | :57:59. | :58:06. | |
He is saying we must amalgamate. There are 14 budgets in the region. | :58:06. | :58:11. | |
He is saying we need a single but it and it needs strategic direction | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
and local control as far. That is reasonable. | :58:15. | :58:21. | |
That is acute. Before we go, details of special police -- that | :58:21. | :58:28. | |
is it. Before we go, gig as are a special programme on the police | :58:28. | :58:35. | |
derision at elections. That is Horden -- that is Police Elections | :58:35. | :58:42. |