09/12/2012 Sunday Politics North East and Cumbria


09/12/2012

Andrew Neil and Richard Moss with the latest political news and debate. With shadow business secretary Chuka Umunna, Conservative Matthew Hancock and Nadine Dorries.


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In the north-east and Cumbria, the private company brought in to

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tackle youth unemployment into the north-east. Candy's methods stop a

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2125 seconds

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Thanks Andrew and a warm welcome to the local part of the show for the

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North East and Cumbria. Coming up: The private company brought in to

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tackle youth unemployment on Teesside. Can they turn around

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young lives? We've a special report. My guests are the Newcastle MP Chi

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Onwurah who this week tore into the Chancellor accusing him of treating

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people on benefits in the North East as "work-shy scroungers". Also

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with me, Conservative councillor in Northumberland, Wayne Daley who as

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far as I know didn't have a go at Mr Osborne. Welcome to you both.

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Let's start with the Autumn Statement. Your starter for 10.

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is not good for the north-east and Cumbria. The Chancellor is going to

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a contract. It is not growing. In the north-east, we know that if we

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are going to get Investment and the economy growing, as we had in the

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past under the RDAs, but economic production is not going up. Let's

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these that for the moment. When Daly, put the case for the defence.

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Given the world economy, the Chancellor has done a tremendous

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job in trying to pervert -- preserve the UK economy. There is

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some good news in there for the north-east. This is something

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people need to look at. �64 million investment in the A1. �64 million

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of investment in the north-east. �17 million investment in brain

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1,500 homes back into use in the north-east, which unsure Chi

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Onwurah would support. I think they are things in particular which

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corporation tax is going to help a lot of business. It is a difficult

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time, it is a difficult world economy, but there just a has done

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the best he can given a typical situation. More on that later. The

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Chancellor did offer some investment in the A1. Faster proper

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and in places like York. But most of it was about cutting spending.

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The government of course as to convince voters that the pain will

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be worth it in the end, and none of that is more true than in the

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constituencies that the Conservatives must hold on to. We

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go to Stockton South. When politicians go to the squeeze will,

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there are a friend to couples like this. Amy Johnson is self employed

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and a partner is a teacher. She says they have already lost �200 a

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month in tax benefits. I am slightly confirmed -- concerned

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about the 1% fee. Inflation is higher than that, so it is going to

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be another price cut. They have been talking about stopping

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paternity benefits and things like that. That is something we were

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looking at, to have more children. But if we can't afford it, there is

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going to be no extra support, be borne not be able to afford any

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other children, and double BAA build shame. She is not convinced

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the cuts are being made in the right places. At the end of the day,

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we have to deal with this. They have been spending way beyond their

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means for a long time. They have been a lot of promises and a lot of

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contradictory stuff. What is being taken our way with one hand is

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being given with another. I cannot seen - but I cannot see me being

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Petrov any time soon. The charter says the economy are he -- the

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economy is healing. Asked people in the constituency. It is very hard.

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You do not know what is going to happen from one paid to the next.

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At times they help the wrong people. They need to look at getting people

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back into work, and support those, rather than penalise those that are

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working. It is a difficult time for everybody, but the north-east seems

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to be cursing from those thing. They are things happening in the

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south but we do not get any benefit from. So art local businesses any

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Big business has got its percentage of corporation tax, but that does

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not affect the small business at all. I would like to have seen

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something along the lines of national insurance tax, which is a

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tax on employees, upward like to have seen that being looked at, but

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as for a small business, absolutely nothing. Wayne Daley, you saw Amy

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Johnson there. She says she has been hit in the pocket. One of the

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things we need to understand is that the charter says we are all in

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this together. I know you make a mockery of it! But her child

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benefit is being cut. On those points, even under the Labour

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manifesto in 2010, public sector salaries were at 1%. We are just

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matching benefits to public sector pay settlements. You're not helping

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the very people you said he would help. In north-east, 10,000 people

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have been taken out of paying any tax whatsoever. This is really

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important. Pensions are not on a 1% cap. They will go above the rate of

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inflation. Back to me, why should pensioners be protected? Some of

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them will be much better off, and yet working families, a lot of the

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benefits affect them. Back to the families who are working, one of

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the things we have also done his counsel that per three p increase

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in fuel, which will save �40 a year on fuel bills. We have done a lot

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of things to support families. On the issue of pensioners, we are

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going to move towards... And it is absolutely right that people go

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were doing the right thing should not be penalised. Those people who

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could work and should work should pay the price of doing that as well.

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Chi Onwurah, let's deal with the benefits. You said he would vote...

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We have no details of what is going to be in the benefits of proposals.

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What this government does repeatedly is to take things that

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there is cross-party consensus on, changing the competition law for

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example, and adding to those bills and things but we are strongly

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against. Would you personally be against these caps on benefits?

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am very much in favour of benefit reform, which ensures that it pays

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to work, and on and ensure -- by in... It is Goadby people in work

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that is going to be hardest hit by this. If you are not in this... We

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need to see what is in it. We need see what the details of the changes

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are. But taking �3 billion away from benefits in order to give �3

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billion in tax cuts to the very most wealthy, that is unfair, and

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we definitely oppose that. But on the other side of that, under these

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new tax regimes, there is one million more people in the 40 % tax

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band. To say that we are somehow giving... But those people are

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strivers. You are giving �100 -- �100,000 to people who own a

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million, and you are taking away from people who are on just enough

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to get by. They were not be taxed at all. We are getting people in...

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If you were so vehemently opposed to it, won't she say you won't vote

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against it? Star but a pen something towards it. If people are

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A wanted to bring it back to business. You mentioned corporation

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tax. As you heard in that film, for the vast majority are small

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businesses, the backbone of the economy, it makes no difference. In

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its defence took Martin axils. not the Chancellor, --

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multinationals. It was one of Labour's brilliant ideas Turk put

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National Insurance Cup. I think we could do more for those small

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businesses. One of the things we can do is to create an economy that

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is flourishing, and that is what we need to do. The danger here is that

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you have lost the big argument, because a lot of people have bones

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with individual cuts, but they broadly agreed. And absolutely, and

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that is what we said before we went into the election. We are going to

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cut the deficit over two terms, and George Osborne said that it had to

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be done over five years. They cut massively out of a our economy.

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They took billions in order to get it been want Parliament. But are

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they achieving it, no. One example for businesses. They cut

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manufacturing capital allowances. They have now brought bad back.

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The economy will never get back on track as long as tens of thousands

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of young people are languishing on the dole. But how to get them into

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training or work when they've left school, often with no

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qualifications, and with little self-esteem? Well the Government's

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Youth Contract aims to tackle that - by using private firms to target

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the young unemployed and get their lives back on track. I visited one

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company in Teesside to find out more.

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It starts today 10am Cole. Hi-tech, it is Lehane calling. It is just to

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let you know that day, our driver, will be picking you up at 10:45am.

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From the office, they are making sure the people are getting out of

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bed. They are targeting people with no qualifications and no jobs.

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These people are not going back into the classroom -- classroom.

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They are going climbing. We need to find innovative methods to engage

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with them. We can use sport, the media, whatever we can do to engage

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with people. It is is not just to tempt the young people in. It is to

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help their confidence climb. Part of the training, what we are

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delivering is to get rid of the shyness and for you to build your

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self-esteem. Small steps bed with a big encouragement. Get one hand on

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here. Now it has jumped up. Yes, well done! Good effort. There are

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other cheerleaders. Young people who were unemployed ones but are

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now employed our role models. come down to their level, and for

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them to understand. They can understand me, and know that they

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can trust me. I am just trying to show that it can be done, that is

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their routine. Is the getting there rooting, bacon just get in a better

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life just by helping themselves. this will not rather cosy? Is the

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changing their lives? It could be seen as a reward for failure. The

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government -- the company says it can put in some other messages.

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There is an element of tough love. If you do not engage with

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programmes and training, they are more likely to be committing crime,

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the more chance there is of growing up on benefits. And the children

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growing up on benefits. The summer the are people here, that is

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hitting home. I have no DCS seize on anything. This has given me the

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way forward. Maybe it can get the qualifications and work. I am going

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forward in life. Others badly behaved. I turned myself around,

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came here, got work. There is a mountain to scale. One in five

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The End goal has to be an employment. It should be gauged

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towards a road of employment. So far, private companies have not

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been a runaway success. Targets have been missed. It is too early

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to say whether the use contract will be more successful. If these

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young people's do not find jobs, the company does not get paid.

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Let's get a trade union perspective. You should be applauding this?

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Certainly, it is very positive. It is good see young people taking

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early to in other young people. We do not know if it is going to be

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working. Work programme has been a disaster. The statement in the

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House of Commons this week, but unemployment is going to go up for

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the next two years. It is going to come down after that. It may get

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higher. The taxpayer cannot Mulhouse. If there is good work, it

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is rewarded, and if it doesn't... That is one aspect. The problem

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with youth contract is that there is too little, and employers...

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so brilliant pounds. But it is delivering. -- �1 billion. It is

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not making the slightest dent of youth unemployment. The Autumn

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Statement revise the Peter how far unemployment. He said it was going

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to go up by a certain extent, but it's just that this is working.

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see that as a strategy failing. But we are going seek high unemployment

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for the next two years. I would rather see a different method in

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place. Using Prime -- private companies did not deliver. Why

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should we believe this will be any better? Private companies have been

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delivered for number of years. Debra Brazil by the previous Labour

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government. But this only started in April. So it is very, very early

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days to seek success. The one... is not hard to read what is

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happening in the work programme. If I can just answer that up. The

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issue about the work programme is that that was started at a time

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when there was a massive downturn in the economy. By definition, then

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they didn't quite reach their targets. You have rightly

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identified that unemployment will not be catfight. Going back to the

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issue, it is important that the feature on the -- focus on the

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Select Committee, said that the use played is a good idea. It is a good

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start. But we need to do more. I agree, but we needed invest in our

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young people. They are given a chance that they were never be

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given. But the government are backing quite a liberal approach

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here. What the government is doing here, and firstly, the use contract

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may have started in April, but we can get a good idea at the level of

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the sex from the work programme. And I support innovative solutions

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to get young people into work, but this is no need -- by no means an

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Nath investments. But payment by results does not allow those who

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have the funding and the backing to wait two or three years to see what

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the results are. We have very little details on these contracts.

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We saw what happened with the work programme. This is just the funding

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but the last government put in for jobs and for young people, and it

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may be a big difference. It cost a lot less. Is it all about the

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money? The future jobs funk. Unemployment was rising quite a lot.

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It is not all about money, but we need an approach that looks at

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education and the support that it needs. The thing with youth

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unemployment is that that unemployment having early in the

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Korea, that is the most devastating impact. The costs continue in our

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economy for decades to come, so this approach is not enough to help

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our young children. Now: there's a bit of a retro feel to the

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political news this week with the miners' strike again making the

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headlines. With a round-up of the week's events in 60 seconds here's

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Mark Denten. A man whose still got his 80s collection of Human League

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and Kajagoogoo singles but not unfortunately his full head of hair.

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unfortunately his full head of hair. A campaign has begun to crush the

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criminal convictions of many striking miners. Men arrested on

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that people -- picket line were not criminals, according to this man.

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They have not done anything wrong. They be doing their jobs and paid a

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heavy price. Jamie Reid has welcomed the creation of jobs at

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Sellafield. He said that West Cumbria was at centre of global

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excellence. Good news it in Sunderland, where this factory --

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back using sun and, by this factory is closing. I swear by Almighty God

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but I will be swearing true allegiance to at her Majesty's

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He took the oath with two other winners of recent elections. -- by-

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elections. I wanted to ask you about some of

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the miners' strike confrontations. A if he feels that there is enough

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evidence for the convictions to be evidence for the convictions to be

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quashed, I have apps in no problem supporting it. What we have seen

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under the judicial system that we have seen the bloody Sunday Review,

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the Hillsborough repute. I think if there has been a miscarriage of

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justice, we need is the natural justice take place. There has to be

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a review, and any conviction that is unsound and wrong is to be

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overturned. I have no problem supporting him. Is it really worth

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the time and effort to open all of these cases? You are absolutely

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right to consider the money it cost, but the miners' strike but was

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really critical in present regional history. What has emerged from the

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queue up to us back Hillsborough inquiry is that there is a

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deliberate effort to criminalised the striking miners, partly to get

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them out of picketing, but also just to get them out of the media.

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That is an abuse of power on the part of the police, and it is

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important. There's a lack of confidence. Are there police

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officers that should be prosecuted? That is a difficult question. When

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a police officer who deliberately sought to criminalise something --

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someone who was innocent, that is a preacher public trust. I would

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certainly support the call for an inquiry. Robert support the call

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for those who may have been adversely affected by this. Whether

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his responsibility, I do think people are answerable. Chi Onwurah,

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Wayne Daley, thank you very much. And that's about if from us. Much

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