20/01/2013 Sunday Politics North East and Cumbria


20/01/2013

Andrew Neil and Richard Moss with political news, interviews and debate. Andrew Neil looks at David Cameron's future Europe plans with Dr Liam Fox and Douglas Alexander.


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His uncertainty over Europe putting thousands of jobs at risk? When

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will Cumbrians get their say on whether the county is suitable to

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2302 seconds

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Be very warm welcome to your local part of the show. Coming up, as

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councils prepare Fourie crucial decision, what if Cumbria says no

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to Bering nuclear waste underground?

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Discussing the that I am joined by the MPs for Stockton North and

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Stockton South. Let's start with Europe. David

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Cameron's speech has been delayed, but the debate about whether to be

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in or out will not go away. You want the Prime Minister to commit

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to a referendum. Which way would you go? It depends what is on the

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table when the referendum takes place. I think there should be a

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clear plan to repatriate powers to the UK, to get a better deal from

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Europe. The British people have to have their say. The option of

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leaving should be on the table and people should be given a clear say.

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Alex, what could be wrong with giving your constituents as say

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over this? I do not think constituents want a say over this,

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they are more concerned with the issues of jobs and growth. They are

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more interested in jobs and when you think 51% of our trade is with

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the European Union, we cannot walk away from that. Look at Nissan, we

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have had had she come into this area, my constituents want jobs in

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these areas. -- had had chief. North East export more than a they

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import. Europe is one of the key markets for goods made here. What

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sort of relationship to those manufacturing businesses want with

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Europe? Massive metal structures covered in

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snow. These bits of kit had been through worse because normally

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their hundreds of metres under the ocean. This is used by the oil and

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renewable industries on the seabed. The firm that makes it does

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business worldwide but Europe is the crucial market. About 50% of

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what we do is in the EU markets. It has allowed us to grow and

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diversified to make the contract for the firm a more stable. They

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are concerned about a referendum on Europe, a vote we might not get for

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at least five years. We are worried it will bring uncertainty to were

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business partners and make us less attractive to work with. If we play

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loud, it would leave uncertainty in terms of future costs, tariffs,

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taxation. If we are looking at long-term contracts, we need long-

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term security. Around �6 billion worth of exports in the region pass

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through here. The North East is the only part of England which exports

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more than it imports. Where do all those exports go? Despite all the

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talk this week about the EU, it is not Europe. The number one that

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export market is the United States, nearly 16% of our exports end up

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their. The Netherlands is next, followed by Russia and France. This

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doctor and engineering firm gets most of his foreign orders from the

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United States. European contracts are important but the firm would

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gladly do without the EU. There are a lot of course so associated with

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being in Europe. A lot of our trading partners are not actually

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in Europe so as a consequence the impact would be minimal. We find a

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lot of regulation coming in on environmental law, health and

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safety and employment lob that add substantial costs to our business

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and we have to go through a lot of red tape to comply. Union leaders

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say pulling out of Europe would cost the region thousands of jobs.

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Trade with the European Union is responsible for thousands of jobs

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in the North East and Cumbria's. We are starting to see companies, even

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with the discussion on our future with Europe, think again about

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investments in the North East and thinking they came about investing

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in the current businesses. Producing stuff and then selling it

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overseas, we are good at it in the North East but is being in the EU

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driving us forward or holding us back?

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We no-one party, UKIP, definitely want out. We will find out what

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Ahmed Dogan things. 137,000 jobs in the North East dependent on the EU.

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I disagree they are dependent on the EU. We would of course still

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maintain a trading relationship with the youth. The EU sells more

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to us than we sell to them, so it would be madness if they were to

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say we are not going to trade with the UK. It has been reported that

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the Europeans would probably use more jobs as a result of a trade

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war than we would lose. I do not think it stacks up. The fact we

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have to be a member of a political union to be able to do trade with

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them. You are creating a potential uncertainty. You heard the concerns

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of one of the companies in that film. They said they would lose

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investment business outside the EU. They wants to ability. I was

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talking to some people yesterday, they have a parent company in Japan

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which has invested �20 million in increasing the production

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facilities there. They have no qualms about the potential of

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leaving the EU. We're in the EU at the moment. But you were saying

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people are hesitant because of the discussion of the possibility of

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leaving. It has not prevented them from investing. The Prime Minister

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has the right approach, he favours keeping the good bits of the EU and

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renegotiating to get rid of some of the bits people do not like. That

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would be fine in an ideal world, but I cannot see the EU letting us

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cherry-pick which parts we want to keep. The EU is going towards a

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federal state. 17 nations have already mentioned this. It is a

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centralised political and economic union. Do we want to be part of

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that, the answer is no. Alex, for all talk of open markets, we had

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the frustration of that interviewees saying all they get

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from the EU is red tape and hassle. That company, at their biggest

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market is the United States. The United States are giving us a clear

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message that we need the European market. And that company does not

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like what is coming from the EU. think he was making a comment on

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employment law. We need considerable change in Europe and

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the Prime Minister needs to do that to move forward. The common

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agricultural policy, for example, so much money going to very few

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places. More than half the trade in the North East is outside the EU.

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America is the biggest trading partner. We might be able to expand

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that and keep the EU business as well. There might be a possibility

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to expand but are we going to keep the jobs? Will Nissan pay

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additional tariffs or are we going to sit outside like Norway. We need

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a place at the table where we can argue in the interests of the

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people of Britain. James, the uncertainty created by a Prime

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Minister is jeopardising jobs and investment by saying this

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referendum may happen some time in the future. That is not credible.

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This is an issue which has come to the fore very recently. It is

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causing people to say we're not going to invest, I have not seen

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evidence of that. Europe is changing, we will not have the same

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European Union in five years' time. What business wants is stability.

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There is nothing more unstable than the idea of whether we will be in

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or out of the EU for. Businesses think there are good things about

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being in the EU and some bad things. What the Prime Minister's hopefully

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going to set out his we will get the best possible deal to get as

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many of the good things and has few of the bad things. Richard's. Is

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right, you cannot pick and choose. We should try to renegotiate for a

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better deal in the British interest. The end result should be put to

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people so they can choose to stay in or go wide. Alex, if you're so

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sure my constituents will be persuaded on the benefits of the EU,

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why not have a referendum? I do not see the value in going through a

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long process. We need a settlement in Europe which is the best for our

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region and the UK. Not just thinking about what will happen in

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a few years' time, we need to think about what is happening now with

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jobs and growth. People may go elsewhere rather than the North

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East or the UK. We have got to take action now for growth. We would

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like to see a growth Commissioner in Europe to encourage growth

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across the opinion. Richard, the Liberal Democrat MPs said this week

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that investments people are very proud of, the idea they will come

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when we're outside the European Union, is just ridiculous.

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disagrees. People come to the North East because of the excellent

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labour force here. They also know they will get the same trading

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conditions they have always had. Yes, but as I said earlier, it is

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almost impossible to consider the EU will not grant some sort of free

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trading arrangements with us when we leave because they currently has

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three trading arrangements with up to 50 other countries worldwide,

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many not anywhere near as owners as the ones Alex referred to it in

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Norway. In ten days' time councillors in Cumbria will be

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making a decision vital to the county and the whole of Britain.

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They will decide whether to press ahead looking for a site to bury it

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the UK's nuclear waste. This will prove controversial to the Lake

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District tourism industry. Here is our political reporter.

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Described as tranquil and beautiful in the guidebooks, there is concern

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that a decision to search for a nuclear repository site could

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unsettle this rural scenes. We're told no side has been officially

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identified, but experts have described this area as potentially

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suitable and that is enough to cause concern. We feel it is

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important that before the council's make their decision that the views

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of this community are made known to them. The whole basis of democracy

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is our politicians carry out the wishes of the people. He and to

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have their views heard, at the Campaign Group here have organised

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their own postal ballot. 94% voted against a waste facility here or

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anywhere else in the parish. But even campaigners admit that the

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postal votes carry more symbolism than power. The key decision will

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be taken by Cumbria County Council. They must all agree to proceed to

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the next stage or the whole process will come to a halt. The weight of

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the decision has not gone unnoticed by the county council. I am not

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sure there has been another issue which has had so much debate as

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this one has. Asking every single question, at turning it over and

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looking at the evidence. Councillors are keeping their views

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guarded, but there is hope that public involvement could be even

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more crucial in the future for. would be a pretty stupid government

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that tried to impose a facility on an area. I have always believed

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people should have a vote, whether that is the referendum or whatever

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it is. Whatever the decision, one thing is certain. The UK need

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somewhere to store its high-level nuclear waste. If a repository is

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not stored here, what is the Government's Plan B? If the

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decision does not go the way we wanted to go, we will have to go

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back and think about how we will make sure we look after our nuclear

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waste. This process is open to other communities across the

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country to also be in for. No other communities have come forward yet,

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so while national policy is usually made in Parliament, this time the

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Government is looking to Cumbria for a decision on the Gulf --

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country's nuclear future. Getting Cumbrians to agree to this

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is critical to your policies. this goes ahead, it will provide a

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neat solution to a problem of which is what you do with waste product

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after the production of nuclear power. At the moment this waste is

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stored, some of it is treated. This is a particularly neat solution

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which is being pursued. It will raise additional questions in the

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future because we will have to find another way of dealing with it.

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Should this really rest with councillors. When it is such a big

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decision for the country, shouldn't the Government decide? When we're

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talking about people's communities, a decision that will affect large

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numbers across Cumbria, it is right they have a significant role of

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cross the process. Although it would be a solution if it goes

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ahead, it is not the end of the story. It is right to local people

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have some say. Alex, should be local a decision be final? Labour

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made a commitment that it had to resolve this high-level waste

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problem before building nuclear power stations. This has been an

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ongoing problem for some decades. I remember as a reporter writing

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about the decision, or the proposal from a previous Conservative

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government to bury waste under Bellingham. The community one that

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time. The Cumbrian people have a difficult decision to make,

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Government should be taking a lead, but the science has yet to be

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proved that berrying and forgetting about it is the right policy.

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Nobody has actually designed are anything to last 10,000 years yet.

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The this is a tough sell. There are jobs and investment and Bob but it

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is difficult to sell it to anybody. It is. If we cannot grapple with

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the problem of nuclear energy, we should not press ahead with nuclear

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power stations. Nuclear is essential. Nobody will take the

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waste, but we do not have to bury it underneath Cumbria. We also have

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to think about the knock-on effect. What will it mean to the tourism

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industry. Will people avoid the Lake District? We will see what

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happens with that decision. Some ambulance have been waiting

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for two hours before patients could be admitted. Hospitals are under

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increasing pressure and could worsen as winter increases its grip.

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Here is the news in 60 seconds. Ambulances are queuing for up to it

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two hours outside hospitals before patients can be admitted. 113

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patients have been affected since December. An MP has written to the

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Health Secretary calling for action to tackle chronic underfunding of

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care in North Yorkshire. Phil Wilson has backed a campaign

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to erect a memorial to the Durham light Infantry in the North East.

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Will the Minister suit -- support of that campaign? Cumbria's new

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police commissioner wants to put up council tax. He says an increase of

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just under 2% would allow the forced to retain existing levels of

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police. Finally a �20 charge for collecting garden waste is to be

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scrapped six weeks after it was introduced.

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I will resist making a joke about recycling policies. What is going

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on with these ambulance delays? There is a wider problem and the

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number of different factors. The hospitals are running on as tight a

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budget as they possibly can. There are also issues about how they are

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managing patients coming in. They need to create some more capacity

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in order to do with that. It boils down to funding at the end of the

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day. They are working with a very tight budget and are suffering as a

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result. No coincidence this is happening at a time of great change

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within the NHS. NHS spending is going up year-on-year. One of the

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key factors is the reorganisation we have seen in the NHS over the

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last decade. A lot of accident and emergency facilities have closed.

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Doctors have to decide whether or not have a concentrated accident

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and emergency, or spread it out over a number of hospitals. Some of

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the designs of hospitals are not up to coping with the new levels of

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ambulance traffic. A hospital designed to take 60,000 patients a

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year in Casualty are finding -- are having to cope with 125,000.

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Hospitals are being used in a different generation. You need

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fewer centres of excellence to give the best standard of treatment.

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These are difficult decisions. you have patience turning up and

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sitting in an ambulance before two solid hours before been seen by

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clinician is totally unacceptable. We need to look at the reasons

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behind it. One of the reasons is because of the tremendous savings

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these hospitals are expected to make. That it is it right. There is

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�40 million from our own hospitals. Do we need to change our behaviour?

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A lot of people turning up to casualty with things that could be

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treated by a GP. That is very much the case. We saw a tremendous

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service in Hartlepool where people can go instead. Increased capacity

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in GPs' surgeries. Walk-in centres. All these things could be in

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jeopardy because of funding constraints. This all sounds a bit

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1980s. Patients waiting outside hospital. It is all reminiscent of

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when the Conservatives were last in charge of the NHS. NHS spending is

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going up. The NHS changes to meet clinical needs. Buildings are not

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designed for the modern way we do medicine. Tomorrow evening's Inside

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Out programme looks at the state of the health service. That is at

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