20/01/2013 Sunday Politics North East and Cumbria


Andrew Neil and Richard Moss with political news, interviews and debate. Andrew Neil looks at David Cameron's future Europe plans with Dr Liam Fox and Douglas Alexander.

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His uncertainty over Europe putting thousands of jobs at risk? When


will Cumbrians get their say on whether the county is suitable to


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Be very warm welcome to your local part of the show. Coming up, as


councils prepare Fourie crucial decision, what if Cumbria says no


to Bering nuclear waste underground?


Discussing the that I am joined by the MPs for Stockton North and


Stockton South. Let's start with Europe. David


Cameron's speech has been delayed, but the debate about whether to be


in or out will not go away. You want the Prime Minister to commit


to a referendum. Which way would you go? It depends what is on the


table when the referendum takes place. I think there should be a


clear plan to repatriate powers to the UK, to get a better deal from


Europe. The British people have to have their say. The option of


leaving should be on the table and people should be given a clear say.


Alex, what could be wrong with giving your constituents as say


over this? I do not think constituents want a say over this,


they are more concerned with the issues of jobs and growth. They are


more interested in jobs and when you think 51% of our trade is with


the European Union, we cannot walk away from that. Look at Nissan, we


have had had she come into this area, my constituents want jobs in


these areas. -- had had chief. North East export more than a they


import. Europe is one of the key markets for goods made here. What


sort of relationship to those manufacturing businesses want with


Europe? Massive metal structures covered in


snow. These bits of kit had been through worse because normally


their hundreds of metres under the ocean. This is used by the oil and


renewable industries on the seabed. The firm that makes it does


business worldwide but Europe is the crucial market. About 50% of


what we do is in the EU markets. It has allowed us to grow and


diversified to make the contract for the firm a more stable. They


are concerned about a referendum on Europe, a vote we might not get for


at least five years. We are worried it will bring uncertainty to were


business partners and make us less attractive to work with. If we play


loud, it would leave uncertainty in terms of future costs, tariffs,


taxation. If we are looking at long-term contracts, we need long-


term security. Around �6 billion worth of exports in the region pass


through here. The North East is the only part of England which exports


more than it imports. Where do all those exports go? Despite all the


talk this week about the EU, it is not Europe. The number one that


export market is the United States, nearly 16% of our exports end up


their. The Netherlands is next, followed by Russia and France. This


doctor and engineering firm gets most of his foreign orders from the


United States. European contracts are important but the firm would


gladly do without the EU. There are a lot of course so associated with


being in Europe. A lot of our trading partners are not actually


in Europe so as a consequence the impact would be minimal. We find a


lot of regulation coming in on environmental law, health and


safety and employment lob that add substantial costs to our business


and we have to go through a lot of red tape to comply. Union leaders


say pulling out of Europe would cost the region thousands of jobs.


Trade with the European Union is responsible for thousands of jobs


in the North East and Cumbria's. We are starting to see companies, even


with the discussion on our future with Europe, think again about


investments in the North East and thinking they came about investing


in the current businesses. Producing stuff and then selling it


overseas, we are good at it in the North East but is being in the EU


driving us forward or holding us back?


We no-one party, UKIP, definitely want out. We will find out what


Ahmed Dogan things. 137,000 jobs in the North East dependent on the EU.


I disagree they are dependent on the EU. We would of course still


maintain a trading relationship with the youth. The EU sells more


to us than we sell to them, so it would be madness if they were to


say we are not going to trade with the UK. It has been reported that


the Europeans would probably use more jobs as a result of a trade


war than we would lose. I do not think it stacks up. The fact we


have to be a member of a political union to be able to do trade with


them. You are creating a potential uncertainty. You heard the concerns


of one of the companies in that film. They said they would lose


investment business outside the EU. They wants to ability. I was


talking to some people yesterday, they have a parent company in Japan


which has invested �20 million in increasing the production


facilities there. They have no qualms about the potential of


leaving the EU. We're in the EU at the moment. But you were saying


people are hesitant because of the discussion of the possibility of


leaving. It has not prevented them from investing. The Prime Minister


has the right approach, he favours keeping the good bits of the EU and


renegotiating to get rid of some of the bits people do not like. That


would be fine in an ideal world, but I cannot see the EU letting us


cherry-pick which parts we want to keep. The EU is going towards a


federal state. 17 nations have already mentioned this. It is a


centralised political and economic union. Do we want to be part of


that, the answer is no. Alex, for all talk of open markets, we had


the frustration of that interviewees saying all they get


from the EU is red tape and hassle. That company, at their biggest


market is the United States. The United States are giving us a clear


message that we need the European market. And that company does not


like what is coming from the EU. think he was making a comment on


employment law. We need considerable change in Europe and


the Prime Minister needs to do that to move forward. The common


agricultural policy, for example, so much money going to very few


places. More than half the trade in the North East is outside the EU.


America is the biggest trading partner. We might be able to expand


that and keep the EU business as well. There might be a possibility


to expand but are we going to keep the jobs? Will Nissan pay


additional tariffs or are we going to sit outside like Norway. We need


a place at the table where we can argue in the interests of the


people of Britain. James, the uncertainty created by a Prime


Minister is jeopardising jobs and investment by saying this


referendum may happen some time in the future. That is not credible.


This is an issue which has come to the fore very recently. It is


causing people to say we're not going to invest, I have not seen


evidence of that. Europe is changing, we will not have the same


European Union in five years' time. What business wants is stability.


There is nothing more unstable than the idea of whether we will be in


or out of the EU for. Businesses think there are good things about


being in the EU and some bad things. What the Prime Minister's hopefully


going to set out his we will get the best possible deal to get as


many of the good things and has few of the bad things. Richard's. Is


right, you cannot pick and choose. We should try to renegotiate for a


better deal in the British interest. The end result should be put to


people so they can choose to stay in or go wide. Alex, if you're so


sure my constituents will be persuaded on the benefits of the EU,


why not have a referendum? I do not see the value in going through a


long process. We need a settlement in Europe which is the best for our


region and the UK. Not just thinking about what will happen in


a few years' time, we need to think about what is happening now with


jobs and growth. People may go elsewhere rather than the North


East or the UK. We have got to take action now for growth. We would


like to see a growth Commissioner in Europe to encourage growth


across the opinion. Richard, the Liberal Democrat MPs said this week


that investments people are very proud of, the idea they will come


when we're outside the European Union, is just ridiculous.


disagrees. People come to the North East because of the excellent


labour force here. They also know they will get the same trading


conditions they have always had. Yes, but as I said earlier, it is


almost impossible to consider the EU will not grant some sort of free


trading arrangements with us when we leave because they currently has


three trading arrangements with up to 50 other countries worldwide,


many not anywhere near as owners as the ones Alex referred to it in


Norway. In ten days' time councillors in Cumbria will be


making a decision vital to the county and the whole of Britain.


They will decide whether to press ahead looking for a site to bury it


the UK's nuclear waste. This will prove controversial to the Lake


District tourism industry. Here is our political reporter.


Described as tranquil and beautiful in the guidebooks, there is concern


that a decision to search for a nuclear repository site could


unsettle this rural scenes. We're told no side has been officially


identified, but experts have described this area as potentially


suitable and that is enough to cause concern. We feel it is


important that before the council's make their decision that the views


of this community are made known to them. The whole basis of democracy


is our politicians carry out the wishes of the people. He and to


have their views heard, at the Campaign Group here have organised


their own postal ballot. 94% voted against a waste facility here or


anywhere else in the parish. But even campaigners admit that the


postal votes carry more symbolism than power. The key decision will


be taken by Cumbria County Council. They must all agree to proceed to


the next stage or the whole process will come to a halt. The weight of


the decision has not gone unnoticed by the county council. I am not


sure there has been another issue which has had so much debate as


this one has. Asking every single question, at turning it over and


looking at the evidence. Councillors are keeping their views


guarded, but there is hope that public involvement could be even


more crucial in the future for. would be a pretty stupid government


that tried to impose a facility on an area. I have always believed


people should have a vote, whether that is the referendum or whatever


it is. Whatever the decision, one thing is certain. The UK need


somewhere to store its high-level nuclear waste. If a repository is


not stored here, what is the Government's Plan B? If the


decision does not go the way we wanted to go, we will have to go


back and think about how we will make sure we look after our nuclear


waste. This process is open to other communities across the


country to also be in for. No other communities have come forward yet,


so while national policy is usually made in Parliament, this time the


Government is looking to Cumbria for a decision on the Gulf --


country's nuclear future. Getting Cumbrians to agree to this


is critical to your policies. this goes ahead, it will provide a


neat solution to a problem of which is what you do with waste product


after the production of nuclear power. At the moment this waste is


stored, some of it is treated. This is a particularly neat solution


which is being pursued. It will raise additional questions in the


future because we will have to find another way of dealing with it.


Should this really rest with councillors. When it is such a big


decision for the country, shouldn't the Government decide? When we're


talking about people's communities, a decision that will affect large


numbers across Cumbria, it is right they have a significant role of


cross the process. Although it would be a solution if it goes


ahead, it is not the end of the story. It is right to local people


have some say. Alex, should be local a decision be final? Labour


made a commitment that it had to resolve this high-level waste


problem before building nuclear power stations. This has been an


ongoing problem for some decades. I remember as a reporter writing


about the decision, or the proposal from a previous Conservative


government to bury waste under Bellingham. The community one that


time. The Cumbrian people have a difficult decision to make,


Government should be taking a lead, but the science has yet to be


proved that berrying and forgetting about it is the right policy.


Nobody has actually designed are anything to last 10,000 years yet.


The this is a tough sell. There are jobs and investment and Bob but it


is difficult to sell it to anybody. It is. If we cannot grapple with


the problem of nuclear energy, we should not press ahead with nuclear


power stations. Nuclear is essential. Nobody will take the


waste, but we do not have to bury it underneath Cumbria. We also have


to think about the knock-on effect. What will it mean to the tourism


industry. Will people avoid the Lake District? We will see what


happens with that decision. Some ambulance have been waiting


for two hours before patients could be admitted. Hospitals are under


increasing pressure and could worsen as winter increases its grip.


Here is the news in 60 seconds. Ambulances are queuing for up to it


two hours outside hospitals before patients can be admitted. 113


patients have been affected since December. An MP has written to the


Health Secretary calling for action to tackle chronic underfunding of


care in North Yorkshire. Phil Wilson has backed a campaign


to erect a memorial to the Durham light Infantry in the North East.


Will the Minister suit -- support of that campaign? Cumbria's new


police commissioner wants to put up council tax. He says an increase of


just under 2% would allow the forced to retain existing levels of


police. Finally a �20 charge for collecting garden waste is to be


scrapped six weeks after it was introduced.


I will resist making a joke about recycling policies. What is going


on with these ambulance delays? There is a wider problem and the


number of different factors. The hospitals are running on as tight a


budget as they possibly can. There are also issues about how they are


managing patients coming in. They need to create some more capacity


in order to do with that. It boils down to funding at the end of the


day. They are working with a very tight budget and are suffering as a


result. No coincidence this is happening at a time of great change


within the NHS. NHS spending is going up year-on-year. One of the


key factors is the reorganisation we have seen in the NHS over the


last decade. A lot of accident and emergency facilities have closed.


Doctors have to decide whether or not have a concentrated accident


and emergency, or spread it out over a number of hospitals. Some of


the designs of hospitals are not up to coping with the new levels of


ambulance traffic. A hospital designed to take 60,000 patients a


year in Casualty are finding -- are having to cope with 125,000.


Hospitals are being used in a different generation. You need


fewer centres of excellence to give the best standard of treatment.


These are difficult decisions. you have patience turning up and


sitting in an ambulance before two solid hours before been seen by


clinician is totally unacceptable. We need to look at the reasons


behind it. One of the reasons is because of the tremendous savings


these hospitals are expected to make. That it is it right. There is


�40 million from our own hospitals. Do we need to change our behaviour?


A lot of people turning up to casualty with things that could be


treated by a GP. That is very much the case. We saw a tremendous


service in Hartlepool where people can go instead. Increased capacity


in GPs' surgeries. Walk-in centres. All these things could be in


jeopardy because of funding constraints. This all sounds a bit


1980s. Patients waiting outside hospital. It is all reminiscent of


when the Conservatives were last in charge of the NHS. NHS spending is


going up. The NHS changes to meet clinical needs. Buildings are not


designed for the modern way we do medicine. Tomorrow evening's Inside


Out programme looks at the state of the health service. That is at


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