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In the North East and Cumbria: A region divided over Mrs Thatcher's | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
legacy, we speak to her admirers and to the critics. | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
Plus who'll come out on top in the county council elections? We report | :01:27. | :01:36. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2183 seconds | :01:37. | :38:00. | |
Hello and welcome to your local part of the show. What was Mrs | :38:00. | :38:07. | |
Thatcher's legacy to the region? We will be asking her admirers and | :38:07. | :38:12. | |
critics. And in 18 days, voters go to the polls but can the Liberal | :38:12. | :38:15. | |
Democrats stay in charge in Northumberland? We will have the | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
names of the candidates who want to be David Miliband's successor in | :38:18. | :38:22. | |
South Shields. Where will you be when the funeral | :38:22. | :38:27. | |
of Margaret Thatcher takes place on Wednesday? Many people want to pay | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
tribute to what one more piece Conservative this week called the | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
greatest leader of our age. But others in the former mining | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
communities of County Durham will be celebrating her passing. This is | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
the publicity for that party, it should have happened 50 years ago, | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
better late than never, join us to celebrate the demise of one of the | :38:46. | :38:50. | |
most hated figures in British politics. Is that tasteless and in | :38:50. | :38:56. | |
appropriate? I understand people's views with regard to Margaret | :38:56. | :39:02. | |
Thatcher, she was one of the most reviled politicians in the UK. It | :39:02. | :39:08. | |
was the press who said she was loved or loathed in equal measures. | :39:08. | :39:14. | |
I am in the latter category, I loathe her as a politician, because | :39:14. | :39:19. | |
I was a young man fighting not for money and wages but for a future in | :39:19. | :39:23. | |
my children and children's children. She took everything away from my | :39:23. | :39:28. | |
communities. But that show a lack of respect? I am not sure who wrote | :39:28. | :39:34. | |
that, it would not be the words that I would use. Your thoughts on | :39:34. | :39:38. | |
parties to mark Margaret Thatcher's death? It demeans people that they | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
have comments such as that. I understand their opinions on both | :39:42. | :39:49. | |
sides, at the end of the day, she was an old lady, 87 years of age. | :39:49. | :39:56. | |
She has children and grandchildren. To write comments like that is, it | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
says more about the people who produce the comments like that. | :39:59. | :40:03. | |
Most of them are too young to have remembered her legacy. They are | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
judging it from false myths and news reports, they never lived | :40:07. | :40:14. | |
through the Times. A lot of people would be the offended by the cost | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
of the funeral. She was a prime minister she is entitled to a | :40:18. | :40:22. | |
ceremonial funeral, I am sure other leaders will have the same. Most of | :40:22. | :40:28. | |
the cost is about the security because of the anarchists and left | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
wish -- left-wing demonstrators. There a lot of world leaders coming | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
in for the funeral, they are entitled to protection. Other prime | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
ministers have not have that in the past. The last from was Winston | :40:40. | :40:46. | |
Churchill. Where should we draw the line between protest, even | :40:46. | :40:51. | |
celebration of her death, and respect? It is reasonable that | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
people respect -- protester during her time as Prime Minister, there | :40:55. | :41:00. | |
were things that they disagreed with. Like the poll tax, although | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
it sometimes went to violence, it was every reason to protest at a | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
been grossly unfair. But when the woman dies many a year later, she | :41:08. | :41:15. | |
is entitled to this respect. The Labour Party had time to reverse | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
things that Mrs Thatcher did, they chose not to do so, because some | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
other things were necessary, and others... We will discuss some of | :41:24. | :41:31. | |
what she did and her legacy in a murmured. It is bitterly contested, | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
the trade unions blame her for the closure of suedes of industry, | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
whether it be steelmaking, coal- mining or shipbuilding. Her | :41:39. | :41:49. | |
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supporters say that the industries were dying anyway and she | :41:50. | :41:56. | |
represented New Investment, for example in the Nissan plant. What | :41:56. | :41:59. | |
would remain of the North's industrial base if Mrs Thatcher had | :41:59. | :42:09. | |
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Margaret Thatcher divides opinion, perhaps she always will. One thing | :42:12. | :42:16. | |
is for certain. After she was Prime Minister, the North really did not | :42:16. | :42:21. | |
look the same. Shipbuilding disappeared, mining went as well. | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
Where I am standing now, there was once a steel works employing 4000 | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
people. Now we have got a cycle way and two rather interesting booking | :42:31. | :42:36. | |
statues. What did the North East's industrial landscape have looked | :42:36. | :42:43. | |
like without Margaret Thatcher? Near Sunderland, in the 1970s, this | :42:43. | :42:49. | |
local pit employed 1300 workers, producing 3000 tonnes of coal a day. | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
It closed in 1986. The blade and MP Dave Anderson used to work there | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
and says without Mrs Thatcher and, it would be a thriving coal | :42:57. | :43:06. | |
industry. She destroyed organised labour in this country, and that | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
was mine workers. We had huge reserves of coal that could have | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
still been tapped. We could have been working now. He would have at | :43:15. | :43:23. | |
least had -- he would have had three pits in the north-east, there | :43:23. | :43:28. | |
are four collieries that could have still produced coal. 25 miles away, | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
an empty field, also once part of the north-east mining industry. It | :43:32. | :43:38. | |
was Fishburn coke works. In the late Seventies, it provided 80% of | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
male employment in the area. In 1986, it closed with the loss of | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
250 jobs. Some say the mining industry would have declined | :43:46. | :43:50. | |
without Margaret Thatcher. Durham coalfield was in decline for | :43:50. | :43:55. | |
a very long period of time, since the end of the First World War. The | :43:55. | :43:58. | |
Labour Party was tremendously involved in the pit closure | :43:58. | :44:04. | |
programmes, particularly in the period in the late 1960s. Huge | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
numbers of pits closed, people put out of work. What was the key | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
difference in the way it was handled under Margaret Thatcher? | :44:12. | :44:18. | |
was the speed at which the decline came in the 1980s and Nineties, the | :44:18. | :44:23. | |
speed of decline was enormous. A for 115 years, the skies over | :44:23. | :44:30. | |
concert were field with a haze of iron and oxide dust, a visible mark | :44:30. | :44:35. | |
of the steel industry. Closure of the industry of the town with 35% | :44:35. | :44:39. | |
and employment but clearer skies. Today there are shopping centres | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
and houses instead of steel making. Mrs Thatcher's supporters say the | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
area just had to move on. Margaret Thatcher was not responsible for | :44:47. | :44:51. | |
the closure of the steelworks, that has already -- that was already | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
decided by the British Steel Corporation, a nationalised | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
industry. If you look around now, it has a boom town with an | :44:59. | :45:05. | |
unemployment rate was 4%. In 1927, the apparent golden age, -- golden | :45:05. | :45:14. | |
age, it was 28%. You see an economic legacy left by Margaret | :45:14. | :45:19. | |
Thatcher which has transformed this country for the better. Many of the | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
North's archive industries are the safest -- stuff of archive film. -- | :45:23. | :45:26. | |
traditional industries. Good Margaret Thatcher kill them off | :45:26. | :45:30. | |
before their time or hasten the inevitable? -- did Margaret | :45:30. | :45:36. | |
Thatcher kill them off before their time or hasten the inevitable? | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
cannot pin is all on Margaret Thatcher, the decline map -- began | :45:39. | :45:46. | |
much earlier than the 1970s. closed last tranche of my eyes, she | :45:46. | :45:51. | |
took a beating heart of the community as well. -- of the 9th. | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
She closed coal mines and call me at -- coal-mining communities. She | :45:54. | :46:00. | |
left them to wither on the economic wind, and communities are still | :46:00. | :46:06. | |
scarred to this day. They should have -- did she not just accept the | :46:06. | :46:11. | |
inevitable? No, she ripped out the heart of communities. She was a | :46:11. | :46:14. | |
conviction politician, she did not want to see the communities the | :46:14. | :46:24. | |
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right. -- communities thrive. She got rid of the trade unions, she | :46:25. | :46:28. | |
wanted to see the demise of those communities. A it was all personal, | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
basically, and if she had not done that, it would we not have had | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
these pits producing valuable coal? No, you're 0.2 Ian was valid. Twice | :46:38. | :46:46. | |
as many pits closed in the 1970s under Labour than closed under | :46:46. | :46:52. | |
Margaret Thatcher. She did not close and, she said that -- she did | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
not close them, she just said that public subsidies were removed. | :46:55. | :47:01. | |
There is nothing to stop anyone opening a pit of now. The last ship | :47:01. | :47:05. | |
yard closed under Labour, the last steelworks in Teesside closed under | :47:05. | :47:10. | |
Labour, and then reopened under a coalition government. There is an | :47:10. | :47:15. | |
awful lot of myths talked about this. I understand it is paid for | :47:15. | :47:21. | |
fork thickly disease concerned but this -- painful for the communities | :47:21. | :47:25. | |
concerned, but this process of industrialisation in a long-term | :47:25. | :47:30. | |
process. You saw the whole of the Thatcher government from the | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
opposition benches, what in your view did it do to the north-east | :47:33. | :47:43. | |
was wrecked was it necessary -- and it's the north-east? Was it | :47:43. | :47:50. | |
necessary? She was determined to have a fight to the finish, and was | :47:50. | :48:00. | |
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-- and Arthur Scargill did as well. We could have had a more gradual | :48:00. | :48:04. | |
closure programme and better investment. It was not just call, | :48:04. | :48:09. | |
it was shipbuilding as well. were so baffling -- suffering from | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
other parts of the world which were produced in ships moored people put | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
-- cheaply. The accusation from Ilie it -- Ian Lavery is that she | :48:16. | :48:21. | |
was callous about this. There was something quite personal about her | :48:21. | :48:27. | |
desire to see off Arthur Scargill, she did not want to see two or | :48:27. | :48:31. | |
three trade unions hold the country to ransom. It be can -- it became a | :48:31. | :48:35. | |
personal battle and he played into her hands and called a lot of | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
suffering to a miner families by playing into her hands. He is now | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
challenging his own trade union to keep privileges that they cannot | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
afford to pay four. Even if you think Margaret Thatcher was brittle | :48:45. | :48:51. | |
in the way she did this, did she not so the seeds of the things like | :48:51. | :48:58. | |
-- so the seas of the things like the Nissan plant? By constituency | :48:58. | :49:03. | |
has suffered greatly. Every time there is an issue raised about the | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
economics of the north-east, people referred to Nissan. The fact of the | :49:07. | :49:11. | |
matter is that Nissan could go like that if David Cameron and there | :49:11. | :49:17. | |
Tories get their way in terms of money you... Everyone tells you | :49:17. | :49:22. | |
about the devastation, but when you go to the town it has survive. | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
does not flourish like he suggested, it is not flourishing now. | :49:26. | :49:32. | |
Regardless of the cold by the communities, you mentioned the | :49:32. | :49:34. | |
shipyards and manufacturing. A lot of people who work in these | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
industries now have not had jobs for generations. Nor have their | :49:39. | :49:45. | |
children. As a result of Margaret Thatcher's vindictive policy is. | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
There is much still to do in the north-east, there are many areas of | :49:50. | :49:54. | |
deprivation, but the question that Ian has to alter, they had 13 years | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
of Labour government who made no attempt to open any of these | :49:58. | :50:01. | |
industries because they did not want to continue subsidising them | :50:01. | :50:06. | |
either. There is nothing stopping you open -- opening pits or | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
shipyards or ship -- steelworks. It is very difficult to compete in a | :50:10. | :50:13. | |
globalised environment so we have to look towards new industries. | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
Nissan is a long way from your constituency but there are also | :50:17. | :50:23. | |
hundreds of smaller companies that thrive... One of the problems is | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
that Margaret Thatcher believed anything -- everything could run | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
from London, she had no concept that the North could run anything | :50:30. | :50:34. | |
themselves. She also misunderstood what was happening in Europe. She | :50:34. | :50:39. | |
believed a the single market, she opposed German reunification. If | :50:40. | :50:43. | |
she had not been -- if we would not have been in Europe, we would not | :50:43. | :50:53. | |
have Nissan. 34% of people in the north-east voted for Margaret | :50:53. | :51:00. | |
Thatcher in 1983, 32% in 1987, more than now. If she was so bad, why | :51:00. | :51:05. | |
were people voting for her? We live in a democracy, people vote for who | :51:05. | :51:10. | |
they want. If you come to my constituency and have a ballot or a | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
poll on whether people supported Margaret Thatcher, it would not be | :51:14. | :51:19. | |
34%. I would invite you to do that. That is a reality on the ground | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
with the mining communities. There are different areas with different | :51:22. | :51:29. | |
views. What about the point that this carried on under Labour? This | :51:29. | :51:35. | |
carried on under Labour. What carried on under Labour? | :51:35. | :51:40. | |
decline of manufacturing. It was set into being by Margaret Thatcher | :51:40. | :51:45. | |
and his determination to get rid of the family silverware. She | :51:45. | :51:51. | |
prioritised, closed and Chris abide communities. We could talk -- | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
crucified communities. We could talk for another 20 minutes, but we | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
have got no time. In a fortnight is the county | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
council elections come up for grabs our county councils in Cumbria, | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
Durham and North Yorkshire. But in Northumberland one of the fiercest | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
battles have been fought. Liberal Democrats have been running the | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
council since 2008, but with a slump in their national fortunes, | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
can they hold on to their last remaining stronghold in the north- | :52:16. | :52:22. | |
east? Than romantic views of Northumberland, rolling hills, | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
vibrant wildlife and bracing shores. The reality is rather more complex. | :52:26. | :52:33. | |
I missed it -- mixture of industrial areas amid the vast | :52:33. | :52:36. | |
rural expanse. It makes the Liberal Democrats job of running the | :52:36. | :52:40. | |
council challenging, not least for may say they have had to trim a | :52:40. | :52:46. | |
more than �100 million from the budget. We have had a council | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
taking over the functions of the seven previous councils, most | :52:49. | :52:53. | |
people would not have noticed the difference in the level of 76 -- | :52:53. | :53:02. | |
service they got. They will be able to see that we can attract business, | :53:02. | :53:09. | |
and there is a housing company that has got a part here, and a paint | :53:09. | :53:14. | |
factory near by. This business park is an example of what the Lib Dems | :53:14. | :53:16. | |
say they have done for Northumberland. The Conservatives | :53:16. | :53:20. | |
believe rural areas have been starved of funds, leaving them at | :53:20. | :53:25. | |
run-down and neglected as embodied by the Hexham bus station. People | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
across Northumberland are telling me how their accounts are going | :53:28. | :53:34. | |
downhill. We are here in Hexham today, the pavements are not kept, | :53:34. | :53:39. | |
the place is dirty, the bus station has had a better at four for five | :53:39. | :53:45. | |
years. Our number one priority is to fix a broken roads we have got. | :53:45. | :53:49. | |
-- the bus station has had no investment for four or five years. | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
Northumberland was a Labour stronghold but they were beaten | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
into third place in the elections in 2008. They are determined to | :53:56. | :54:00. | |
take control in May, and they have put house building in the centre of | :54:00. | :54:05. | |
their plans for the county's future. We have got a terrific housing | :54:05. | :54:10. | |
crisis, 12,000 on the social housing waiting list. 4% of the | :54:10. | :54:13. | |
population of Northumberland. We would like to tackle that as Labour | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
over the next five years. It is a major policy decision of hours, | :54:18. | :54:23. | |
moving towards getting down the housing list. That is what the | :54:23. | :54:28. | |
politicians say, what about the voters? What issues matter to them? | :54:28. | :54:33. | |
Everywhere else gets leisure centre, although they have already got one, | :54:33. | :54:40. | |
there is nothing round here. We are in this area near Rothbury, and one | :54:40. | :54:43. | |
of the major trunk route into the area has been closed and well | :54:43. | :54:49. | |
before the next year as -- at least. One of the things that people are | :54:49. | :54:53. | |
aware of is that the town centres like a blithe and Ashingdon seem to | :54:53. | :55:00. | |
be run down and are getting worse. There is another big store going in | :55:00. | :55:09. | |
Blyth, no one wants to do anything about it. It appears that way. Amid | :55:09. | :55:12. | |
market issues, local issues are at the forefront of people's minds | :55:12. | :55:16. | |
when they go to the polls on 2nd May. | :55:16. | :55:21. | |
Let's raise one of those local issues, it is odd that the Lib Dems | :55:21. | :55:26. | |
seemed stand accused of spending too much money in Labour | :55:26. | :55:31. | |
strongholds. It depends where you go, in one area they saved the | :55:31. | :55:36. | |
areas are being spent -- the money is being spent in the other areas. | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
In Rothbury, there is a massive commitments to broadband because | :55:39. | :55:46. | |
that is so important in rural communities. The county have had to | :55:46. | :55:51. | |
save �100 million without closing a single library. Without closing any | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
Sure Start centres. Compare that with Newcastle, run by Labour, | :55:54. | :55:58. | |
which is closing facilities, slashing its arts and culture | :55:58. | :56:04. | |
budget. We have done a challenging job very well. Labour amalgamated | :56:04. | :56:08. | |
all these councils, we have had to pick up the pieces. You have had a | :56:08. | :56:12. | |
new leisure centre in your constituency, most services have | :56:12. | :56:16. | |
been kept going in tough times, should you congratulate the Lib | :56:16. | :56:21. | |
Dems? When you mentioned the new leisure centre, there has not a | :56:21. | :56:30. | |
brick been built yet. Hopefully that will come in the future. What | :56:30. | :56:35. | |
East Northumberland means -- meet his investment in growth and jobs. | :56:35. | :56:40. | |
We need more people employed and more people off the streets. What, | :56:40. | :56:48. | |
the Lib Dems do? -- Watts, the Lib Dems cannot do that? They set their | :56:48. | :56:57. | |
own agenda. We have a huge queues for jobs. I use saying that the | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
Labour council would save economic problems? One of the main things, | :57:01. | :57:07. | |
apart from housing, one of the main things we have got to focus on in | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
Northumberland is jobs. We need jobs and growth and investment. | :57:11. | :57:17. | |
Everyone will accept that. Come the local elections, you would not vote | :57:17. | :57:21. | |
Conservative, would you? Of course you would if you want an efficient | :57:21. | :57:24. | |
council. It is going to be a challenging financial environment | :57:24. | :57:29. | |
in local government because of the debts that Labour ran out. So what | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
we are going to do is concentrate the scarce resources on the | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
priorities that people want, car parking charges, road repairs, and | :57:36. | :57:42. | |
trying to bring economic development into the council. | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
is �4 million for three parking, hat -- where you go to find that? | :57:48. | :57:52. | |
You cannot change the basic economics of the country with one | :57:52. | :57:55. | |
local authority but their priorities that you can do and the | :57:55. | :58:00. | |
Conservative administration would. How big a blow to your prayers he | :58:00. | :58:05. | |
would it be if you lose seats and you end up -- a party if you close | :58:05. | :58:12. | |
seats has back I think we will gain seats in these elections. I think | :58:12. | :58:17. | |
we will gain seats from the Conservatives. There are seeds that | :58:17. | :58:23. | |
we can win from Labour. I think the record stands well and what we are | :58:23. | :58:28. | |
doing nationally plays into local things. Cutting people's taxes, | :58:28. | :58:32. | |
putting money into schools with the people premium. These are things | :58:32. | :58:38. | |
that people want to see happening. That is the case for the Lib Dems. | :58:38. | :58:43. | |
The Lib Dems are not contesting every single seat in the council. | :58:43. | :58:49. | |
There has been a jumping from the ship of Lib Dem representatives. | :58:49. | :58:53. | |
For example, Ashington town council, there are 19 seats, they had 14 | :58:53. | :58:57. | |
last time, they have only got to nominated people. Where have they | :58:57. | :59:07. | |
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gone? I am afraid we have run out of time. We will be hearing from | :59:08. | :59:13. | |
UKIP and and the Green Party in the next few weeks. | :59:13. | :59:16. | |
There was any report in the state of the north-east economy this week, | :59:16. | :59:22. | |
and by-election campaigning has begun in South Shields. Following | :59:22. | :59:31. | |
David Miliband's resignation. Benefit changes which will | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
eventually affect millions of disabled people started this week. | :59:34. | :59:38. | |
The north-east and Cumbria is piloting the switch from disability | :59:38. | :59:41. | |
living allowance to a new personal independence payments. | :59:41. | :59:45. | |
Meanwhile unions in Newcastle held a protest against government plans | :59:45. | :59:48. | |
to cap benefit increases to 1% in the next three years. | :59:48. | :59:53. | |
A review into the north-east's economy chaired by Labour peer Lord | :59:53. | :59:58. | |
Adonis has caught -- called for a North East Bank and more investment | :59:58. | :00:02. | |
in the north-east railways. Have we are going to sell the Regent | :00:02. | :00:05. | |
International, we need good connections, which means a direct | :00:05. | :00:10. | |
flight to the USA and better connections to other City is. | :00:10. | :00:16. | |
The parties have started selecting candidates to fight the South | :00:16. | :00:26. | |
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The by-election is expecting on May septum -- the by-election is | :00:29. | :00:35. |