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A warm and spring-like welcome to your local party official. Dust | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
like buses, you wait a long time for an election, and three come | :36:08. | :36:15. | |
along at once. A by-election South Shields, Amaia election and of | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
course the elections for the County Council For Ulster of joining me at | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
the table are the MPs for Carlisle and Stockton North. | :36:21. | :36:31. | |
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We will also topped the Liberal Democrats, and we will be in... Let | :36:33. | :36:36. | |
us start with the funeral of Lady Thatcher. The Prime Minister said | :36:36. | :36:43. | |
we are now Thatcherites. Are you? That is the last thing I am, but it | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
was only right and proper that there was recognition of the | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
passing of a long-term serving prime minister. For me, it was a | :36:50. | :36:54. | |
lot of money that could have been put to other uses, particularly in | :36:54. | :36:59. | |
this region. Is it a vote winner for due to go around Carlisle | :36:59. | :37:04. | |
seeing you and a Thatcherite? have all the children of Fatah, and | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
I think she changed society quite dramatically. If you look back to | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
where we were in the 1970s to the early 1990s, she changed things for | :37:13. | :37:18. | |
the better. I also accept that she is a historical figure now, and we | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
have to move on to the politics of today and the issues that matter | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
today. We are seeing back with the present leadership. Our voters in | :37:26. | :37:31. | |
the north-east ready to move on? The voters moved on a long time ago, | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
but there were things happening this week not so good. But in the | :37:36. | :37:43. | |
north-east we have seen a rise in unemployment again. 12,000 of them. | :37:43. | :37:53. | |
I do not think they are Thatcherite. An election campaign has got under | :37:53. | :37:57. | |
way. Labour leader Ed Miliband was doing his bit for his party in | :37:57. | :38:02. | |
South Shields, which his brother represented for 12 years. A quick | :38:02. | :38:07. | |
visit to support his party's candidate in North Tyneside. One of | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
the battlegrounds will be the county council elections in Cumbria. | :38:10. | :38:17. | |
There is a new factor for them to consider, in the shape of UKIP. | :38:17. | :38:24. | |
At this museum, you will see Cumbria's rich history and conquest. | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
Now, during the elections there will be another set of insurgents | :38:28. | :38:36. | |
trying to batter down the fences. This is the leader of their legions. | :38:36. | :38:43. | |
Nigel Farage has footsoldiers, too. They fielded just four candidates | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
in the last elections. This year they have more than 50. The party | :38:48. | :38:53. | |
says it is on the marched. It is time for a change, for some fresh | :38:53. | :39:00. | |
thinking. We are 42% up in terms of members. You will see a lot more | :39:00. | :39:04. | |
people, Ex Conservatives, who are so fed up with the present | :39:04. | :39:09. | |
incumbent and the rest of the guys, that they will join us. I am also | :39:09. | :39:13. | |
very hopeful that we will continue to get people from the other party | :39:13. | :39:16. | |
is. The Conservatives had a big hitter of their own this week, | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
though. They would love to remain the largest party on the current | :39:19. | :39:25. | |
council, but are they worried that UKIP may be about to ruin their | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
charges -- chances? I am not worried but we mustn't | :39:29. | :39:33. | |
underestimate them. The message I have to my candidates is get out | :39:33. | :39:38. | |
there, campaign on local issues, on the issues you have worked hard on, | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
this is a Cumbrian election, not a national election, so we will fight | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
on our record of the last four years of what we can deliver. | :39:46. | :39:51. | |
Voters here believe there are issues that need tackling. Things | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
like cutting business rates to encourage business to fill up some | :39:55. | :40:05. | |
empty shop so. There are little places where people can go to. | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
Supporting the farmers, supporting the education of youngsters and | :40:08. | :40:18. | |
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giving them something to do. will the opposing parties show that | :40:19. | :40:26. | |
they can offer as valid an alternative as UKIP? The Liberal | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
Democrat way of working is doing things with people, with | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
communities, which is a different way of doing things. It is about | :40:32. | :40:37. | |
involving people and being more local, about being less central. At | :40:37. | :40:43. | |
the end of the day, it is about engagement with people. The Labour | :40:43. | :40:48. | |
party is saying that you can trust us to seek to protect vital | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
frontline services where we can. We will not be adopting the slash and | :40:53. | :40:58. | |
burn approach of some of our opponents. They can trust us to do | :40:58. | :41:02. | |
the best for the whole of the community in Cumbria. There have | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
been blurred battle lines in Cumbria in recent years as the | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
county has been run by an unlikely conservative Labour coalition. For | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
now, all the alliances are off as the party's fight each other for | :41:14. | :41:17. | |
supremacy. We have representatives from all of | :41:17. | :41:22. | |
the parties. Let's start with UKIP. Everyone is impressed with the | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
number of candidates you got out. But if we are sad here in a couple | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
of weeks and you have won a couple of seats or none, that will not | :41:29. | :41:33. | |
amount to much the stock what we are looking at more than anything | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
is the share of flops. That we had a five-year plan, and we are | :41:37. | :41:41. | |
growing year on year. There was appalled recently that put us on | :41:41. | :41:46. | |
19%, ahead of the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives. We hope to | :41:46. | :41:50. | |
become the opposition. It is a five-year plan, so we are looking | :41:50. | :41:57. | |
at will chair. People are turning to us as a new and exciting of | :41:57. | :42:05. | |
eternity. If they take votes from you, you could lose seats. We have | :42:05. | :42:13. | |
got to get our message across, and attract people that may vote UKIP | :42:13. | :42:18. | |
your Liberal Democrat. I have to confirm that we work well at | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
national and local level. I think we have preserved many frontline | :42:22. | :42:26. | |
services in Cumbria, and that's what we will focus on. But the | :42:26. | :42:31. | |
problem is that UKIP have moved on to a lot of your territory and the | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
armed we ring people over. At the national level, they want to come | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
out of Europe and have a referendum. The Conservative Party declared we | :42:39. | :42:49. | |
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will have a referendum in 2007 Dean. -- 2017. John Shipley, you have | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
fewer candidates than UKIP, suggesting they are on the way up. | :42:59. | :43:07. | |
I do not think that is true. It is not great and a counter like | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
Cumbria to have less candidates and UKIP. But what matters is winning | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
seats, and we have a good record in Cumbria and Northumberland and | :43:17. | :43:21. | |
Durham, of winning seats. I think it is reasonable for us to | :43:21. | :43:27. | |
concentrate our resources. Alex, I will come to you. Labour would love | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
to make this referendum on the government and cuts, but it does | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
not get us very far because at the end of the day, you have to come up | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
with a new idea of how to make these councils are work. That is | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
very much the case. We must not ignore the challenge from any other | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
party, but as far as UKIP are concerned, we have to make sure | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
people get under the Veneer of what they are about and some of their | :43:51. | :43:54. | |
right-wing policies and friends they keep. I am worried about some | :43:54. | :43:59. | |
of that. Whilst we go out there with our own message and talk about | :43:59. | :44:05. | |
developing service or preserve service, we have to make people | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
understand the reality of what they are facing. Name one policy that | :44:09. | :44:16. | |
you think is far right? I consider the decision to try to stop | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
maternity leave and paternity leave is quite a right-wing policy. What | :44:19. | :44:25. | |
use is that two families? I want to talk about the election campaign. | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
Let me raise your manifesto. It has a whole page dedicated about | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
talking about the numbers of people who are going to come from Romania | :44:33. | :44:37. | |
and Bulgaria. Even if you got all 50 people elected, the answer is | :44:37. | :44:41. | |
you could not stop many of those coming to live in Cumbria, could | :44:41. | :44:46. | |
you? If you are talking about making this a referendum on cuts, | :44:46. | :44:50. | |
let us make it a referendum on about -- on the number of people | :44:50. | :44:56. | |
coming to the country. The amount of people who come put strain on | :44:56. | :45:04. | |
councils. The biggest industry in Cumbria is tourism. 27,000 people | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
unemployed in the tourism industry in Cumbria, and 67% of those are | :45:07. | :45:12. | |
migrant were Acres. If you look at those to the stereos, unemployment | :45:12. | :45:21. | |
virtually does not exist. -- look at the tourist areas the stop but | :45:21. | :45:30. | |
we need to sort out high youth unemployment in this country. | :45:30. | :45:36. | |
A lot of your supporters find that appealing. Your policies have not | :45:36. | :45:42. | |
stopped people defecting to UKIP. accept there are some people | :45:42. | :45:45. | |
flirting with UKIP, but I would say to them in Cumbria that the only | :45:46. | :45:54. | |
two party's dogma and -- the two parties... Be are not flirting! | :45:54. | :45:59. | |
Which party do they want running local services to make sure council | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
tax is kept down and delivering services? I think people will think | :46:03. | :46:07. | |
the Conservative Party will do that, not the fringe parties. Alex, | :46:07. | :46:16. | |
should Labour not be the party of protest? We always have been! We | :46:16. | :46:20. | |
need to speak to voters and be clear that the message. There is no | :46:20. | :46:23. | |
good protesting about the Government doing this or that, we | :46:24. | :46:27. | |
have their back at the moment and we have to make the best of what | :46:27. | :46:34. | |
they give us. People need to be aware of what is happening. We need | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
to protect services for vulnerable people, and the schools. There is | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
nothing you can actually do about the amount of money coming from | :46:41. | :46:44. | |
central government. The perception is that you just moan about it but | :46:44. | :46:49. | |
do not come up with positive solutions. If you look at my own | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
local authority, there will be some 1,000 jobs going in Stockton, but | :46:53. | :46:56. | |
they have consolidated the number of buildings they have got. The | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
Labour council are working hard to try to protect services essential | :47:00. | :47:04. | |
to people whilst protesting along the way to the Government's. John, | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
there is a strong likelihood that you will lose more councils this | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
time. How many councillors can the Liberal Democrats lose before it | :47:13. | :47:17. | |
becomes a depressing that people think the game is up? We are | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
defending one-fifth of the seats, and bear in mind that the last | :47:20. | :47:26. | |
elections were 2009, four years ago, and that is when Labour was on its | :47:26. | :47:34. | |
last legs, so we made a number of games. However, we have a live in | :47:34. | :47:38. | |
net gains in local government by- elections since November. We're | :47:38. | :47:48. | |
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incredibly strong. -- 11 net gains. Are you going to keep all of your | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
seats? There is a strong chance we will make some gains. It is | :47:53. | :47:57. | |
possible that in some places where well known candidates have stood | :47:57. | :48:02. | |
down, there may be some problems, but in the main, we think our 40s | :48:02. | :48:08. | |
very steady. Can I just say about UKIP, withdrawal from Europe loses | :48:08. | :48:17. | |
jobs from other region -- from our region exporting. It loses �700 | :48:17. | :48:20. | |
million in European development money that this region has so | :48:20. | :48:25. | |
effectively spent. I have to answer this. Are you trying to say we | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
would stop trading with Europe of which came out of it? Of course not. | :48:29. | :48:32. | |
People would not set up in the region because they would not be | :48:32. | :48:38. | |
inside the single market and they would not have access to EU's trade | :48:38. | :48:47. | |
agreement. We did sign our own trade agreements. -- could sign. | :48:47. | :48:51. | |
That would take several years the stock we're getting off the point | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
here. Have you got any targets for the amount of seats you want to | :48:54. | :49:02. | |
win? We have internal targets, and we hope to take at least 25 seats. | :49:02. | :49:12. | |
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Anything beyond that is a bonus. Cumbria? No, across the country. It | :49:13. | :49:21. | |
is a five-year plan. That is half of the poling of the Liberal | :49:21. | :49:29. | |
Democrats. We're going to use this as a springboard to go on and win | :49:29. | :49:35. | |
the elections later. We want to concentrate on local government and | :49:35. | :49:41. | |
who is going to deal with Cumbria. But there is a long game. And UKIP | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
know there is a longer game. Your seat is a marginal seat, and it | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
only takes a couple of 1,000 people to say, we will vote for UKIP, and | :49:50. | :49:55. | |
you have got. But you are reverting back to national politics. In two | :49:55. | :49:59. | |
weeks, it is a local government election which is what we are | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
concentrating on. The people of Cumbria want to know who are going | :50:02. | :50:08. | |
to be representing them. Give us one Cumbrian policy you have got a | :50:08. | :50:13. | |
sell to people. Cumbria has more wind turbines than the rest of the | :50:13. | :50:17. | |
England altogether. We will put a stop to that, as they are scanning | :50:17. | :50:21. | |
the landscape. But you cannot do that, can you. The decision goes to | :50:21. | :50:27. | |
government. But the planning decisions are made at a local level, | :50:27. | :50:35. | |
and frankly they need to be stopped. Thank you. | :50:35. | :50:38. | |
The Green Party are fielding more than 30 candidates and we will be | :50:38. | :50:43. | |
speaking to them about this next week. The mayor of Hartlepool | :50:43. | :50:47. | |
Stuart Drummond has just over one week left in his job before the | :50:47. | :50:50. | |
post is corrupt, and in his will -- Middlesbrough Ray Mallon wants a | :50:50. | :50:57. | |
vote at the end of his term to decide whether to do the same. Has | :50:57. | :51:07. | |
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Whitley Bay has plenty going for it, certainly plenty of charm, but in | :51:11. | :51:14. | |
recent decades some of that charm has become to wear just a little | :51:14. | :51:19. | |
thin. Who could restore a place like this to its former glory? | :51:19. | :51:24. | |
Perhaps the elected mayor of North Tyneside. Over the last decade, | :51:24. | :51:28. | |
successive mayors from different parties have tried to regenerate | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
the seafront. On the 2nd May, voters will get to decide who | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
should do a job for the next four years. The some of the voters think | :51:36. | :51:42. | |
elected mayors have been good for the area? The council should be | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
able to do the job. I do not think he has done much good. I do think | :51:47. | :51:53. | |
so, but her problem is that she has not got the majority on the council. | :51:53. | :51:56. | |
In the mayoral election campaign, the issue of the post of mayor has | :51:56. | :52:02. | |
become an issue in itself. One candidate wants to abolish the post | :52:02. | :52:07. | |
he is seeking to win, arguing it is fundamentally flawed. The mayor of | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
North Tyneside gets to choose the Cabinet, even when they have a | :52:11. | :52:14. | |
relatively small group of councillors. They get to choose the | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
budget even when they only have a minority. We have got 60 | :52:18. | :52:26. | |
councillors here, and 48 have got very little influence. Another | :52:26. | :52:30. | |
candidate promises residents are saying the future. I promised I | :52:30. | :52:34. | |
would consult with the residents and look at the system and see what | :52:34. | :52:39. | |
is the best way forward. I think it is the residents' Joyce how we run | :52:39. | :52:46. | |
North Tyneside, which is about democracy. -- residents' choice. | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
Consulting is different from holding a referendum. Would you | :52:49. | :52:54. | |
hold a referendum? I would ask if they wanted a referendum. | :52:54. | :52:58. | |
Conservative has been in the job since 2009, recently running a town | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
hall with the Labour opponents making up the majority of | :53:01. | :53:05. | |
councillors. She does not favour a return to the previous way of | :53:05. | :53:12. | |
running it. If you had the old system, what happens is the leader | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
of the council then has to go to their grip, then they have to go to | :53:15. | :53:22. | |
Council, and it may take years and years to get anything done, but | :53:22. | :53:26. | |
equally you might never get anything done. It led us to being | :53:27. | :53:32. | |
the worst performing council in the country. So does the system have a | :53:32. | :53:37. | |
future as it drifting slowly out of sight? | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
-- or is it drifting slowly out of sight. | :53:40. | :53:43. | |
John Stephenson, you're on the record of being -- as being a fan | :53:43. | :53:48. | |
of the system. But is it not over now? I am extremely supportive of | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
it, and I would like to see them all over the country along with | :53:52. | :53:55. | |
unitary authority. They are transparent, there is greater | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
accountability, and local people know who is in charge. So why do | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
people not want them? Some people have not been given the opportunity | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
for them. I accept it has not taken root in the way that I would like | :54:07. | :54:12. | |
to have done, but I hope that in due course, you will see more local | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
referendum, and people will start to -- other places will start to | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
pick up on the idea. Of the 12 cities we wanted to have a mayor, | :54:20. | :54:27. | |
three did become that. Only 140. But to others went down that route. | :54:27. | :54:33. | |
-- only one of them faltered. Alex Cunningham, you have one on your | :54:33. | :54:37. | |
doorstep in Middlesbrough. These were introduced by Labour in the | :54:37. | :54:41. | |
first place. Do you favour them? have never had strong feelings | :54:41. | :54:45. | |
about them. The people should decide. We all agree that the | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
people should decide whether or not they should have an active and | :54:48. | :54:58. | |
there. -- an active mayor. The system does provide people who have | :54:58. | :55:04. | |
strong promises to deliver on. sure people would disagree on that! | :55:04. | :55:08. | |
John, you backed the idea in Newcastle, but the voters rejected | :55:08. | :55:18. | |
it. It was a reasonably small margin. I agree with Alex that it | :55:18. | :55:21. | |
is up to local people, but I do believe that there is an important | :55:21. | :55:24. | |
issue at stake, which is the accountability that John referred | :55:24. | :55:31. | |
to, which is, given that government is devolving so much more to local | :55:31. | :55:34. | |
government, from where does the leader's power derived? You were | :55:34. | :55:38. | |
the leader of a council. Did you not have a mandate? On the course | :55:39. | :55:44. | |
of that, the powers were extended. Broadly speaking, a council's | :55:44. | :55:51. | |
leader's power were today is the same as a mayor's power. The | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
leader's power were should derive from the electorate as a whole. | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
Paul Russell, this could be good for UKIP. Instead of having a build | :56:00. | :56:06. | |
up of councillors, you could have someone in control stayed away. | :56:06. | :56:10. | |
straight away. As long as there is a referendum first. In Liverpool we | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
have one foisted upon us without a referendum. If the people vote to | :56:15. | :56:20. | |
get rid of them, I am fine with that. UKIP believe in referendums. | :56:20. | :56:26. | |
But we do not want to see on whether you have one or not. | :56:26. | :56:30. | |
you get one to stand in North Tyneside? I do not know that much | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
about it, to be honest. It is probably disappointing for some of | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
the people. I want to see referendums on many Moorish is. | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
John Stephenson, you want reform for local government as well. Could | :56:42. | :56:51. | |
you have a mayor for the whole of Cumbria? I do not see why not. If | :56:51. | :56:57. | |
you had a unitary, everyone would know who is in charge. How do you | :56:57. | :57:01. | |
have so much power in one area of? Boris Johnson does it in London, so | :57:01. | :57:08. | |
why can that not be extended to Cumbria? Thank you very much to all | :57:08. | :57:12. | |
of you. Away from that election campaign, | :57:12. | :57:22. | |
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what else has been going on? It is Unemployment went up by 12,000 in | :57:29. | :57:33. | |
the north-east between December and February, and stands at 10%. There | :57:33. | :57:37. | |
was better news in Cumbria, where the number of people claiming | :57:37. | :57:41. | |
jobseeker's allowance fell by 274. The future of children's heart | :57:41. | :57:45. | |
surgery was debated in the Commons. A local MP said there had been | :57:45. | :57:49. | |
anger and confusion over the decision to suspend operations at | :57:49. | :57:54. | |
Leeds. The Tyneside MP urged ministers to make sure armed and | :57:54. | :57:58. | |
war veterans are being assessed and treated for health problems. -- | :57:58. | :58:03. | |
mental-health problem is the stock they are expecting a surge in | :58:03. | :58:13. | |
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referrals as troops withdraw from Afghanistan. | :58:13. | :58:18. | |
Vince Cable brought a gift in the shape of compensation schemes to | :58:18. | :58:20. | |
help steelworks cope with carbon taxes. | :58:20. | :58:24. | |
This out Shield by-election will take place in May, but you have | :58:24. | :58:33. | |
lost your chance of you wanted to be a candidate. | :58:33. | :58:41. |