07/07/2013 Sunday Politics North East and Cumbria


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appetite for a European referendum? And National Parks accused of

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Is there an appetite for a European referendum among James Wharton's

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Stockton constituents? We'll be finding out, while the

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chairman of UKIP in the North East, Richard Elvin, I think we know how

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he'd vote, and Conservative Peer, Lord Bates, give us their view.

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Also, they look after some of our most beautiful landscapes, but are

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the people running our National Parks guilty of ignoring the

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concerns of local people? We report from the Lake District. We start

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with a topic that I imagine will happily shouting at the television.

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Should our MPs get a �10,000 rise? I cannot hear any yeses. Many of those

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MPs say they do not want to accept it anyway. Michael Bates, this is an

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issue you feel strongly about. It cost you your job at one stage.

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in similar circumstances. An independent body came up with a

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recommendation for a 30% increase -- 13%. When you are in parliament, you

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are a public sector worker. You must lead by example and that is what I

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think MPs should do. You voted against it then and only got sacks,

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which I suppose is a change of culture, really, isn't it? Most MPs

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wouldn't spare to say that they deserve this. Times have changed. I

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do understand some of the members who get very frustrated at the guy

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who oversees their expenses and gets paid more than them. He seems to

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feel that they get paid too much. I understand the frustration, but the

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point of the matter is that these are very difficult times for many

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people. People are seen their wages under pressure. If you have two

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retained that trust, you must lead by example. Richard Elvin, I'm sure

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that you agree, but this was taken out of MP 's hands. You can't win.

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Someone else says that they deserve a pay rise, why not give it to them?

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Yes, it is independent, so the MPs have to accept the recommendations,

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but Parliament can introduce emergency legislation to override

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that. I would hope that Mr Cameron would do that. How much wood and MP

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-- how much should an NPB page? Apparently, there was a survey done

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of all the people in the UK and the general consensus was that MPs pay

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should be cut by �10,000 per year, not increase. I would agreed that a

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pay cut could be in order. We need to look at the pay and the expenses

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and I think there is a big argument to say that they should be paid one

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lump sum of money and that is it. RNAs you have to be careful that you

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don't skew the system to those who are independently wealthy.

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suggestion on this is that it should be done Parliament to Parliament. He

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sets the rate for the job and if you are elected by your constituents,

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you go on and you serve. A new set of terms and conditions will apply

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from the next general election and the law, what Bill would you put

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before Parliament? James Wharton got that opportunity this week. On

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Friday, he puts forward his bill to make sure a referendum is held

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before 2017 on whether we want to stay in the European Union. Many

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conservatives have supported him, With the MP round here making his

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own law, what do his constituents think of his priorities? Is able

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European referendum to their taste? There is a continental atmosphere

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here. Downstairs, local voters are tucking into their tap class and a

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European referendum is not everyone's priority. Housing, I

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would suggest. There are many developments that have been paused

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that I don't think have been right to the town. That would be more of a

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priority. Immigration is quite important, not many jobs here for

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our own, so that would be my thoughts. But also a group of is

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this leaders who are preoccupied with the parking charges in the

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town, so you may think that the Europe bill would be irrelevant to

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them. Wrong. I feel that it is an issue for a lot of people and the

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debate needs to be had. We have been dictated to by Brussels, when we

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should be dictating our own direction. I welcome having a

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referendum. Whether you are for it or against it, there's no doubt that

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you are talking about a massive issue. It will drive the debate.

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What people think about this matters here. Stockton South is a marginal

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seat. His majority in the last election was only 332 votes. Despite

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the support his vote Bill got from MPs, it could this is one of the

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issues that matter. People deserve to have a say on this. It has

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changed out of all recognition. The time has come for that referendum.

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But it isn't the single biggest issue, it is one of many. I am

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pleased to work on behalf of my constituents. The Labour MP up the

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road think this has less to do with Europe and more to do with political

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calculation. This is to do with him saving his skin. UKIP are on the

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horizon and I think he is looking over his shoulder at them. I think

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he is wasting his time. Only eight people have contacted me in the last

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four or five weeks about Europe. We want jobs and growth, not to keep

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talking about Europe. Should you be congratulating him to

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get it into the Commons chamber? is only there because of UKIP's

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influence. We brought it to the table. The genie is out of the

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battle. We are pleased it is in the domain, but this does not change

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anything, it is only reaffirming what Mr Cameron has already said. If

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he gets free electricity with a majority and after he has been to

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Russells and renegotiated, and he'll give us a referendum. We want a

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referendum now. Over the last 25 years we have had four different

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treaties signed which have eroded the sovereignty of this nation. And

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the great British public has not been consulted. It is long overdue.

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Why are we waiting until 2017? want to present a fair choice. We

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want to present to people a reason to choice. I hope that we would stay

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in Europe, I think it has many advantages. At Italy for a trading

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region like the North East of England. -- particularly for a

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trading nation. He needs to... view might be that it is a promise

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that he may not have to fulfil. It is a ROM is that we hope to fulfil

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if we win the election. There's only one party that is offering that at

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the present time and hope that people remember that when they go to

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the ballot. Actually, there are two whether we are in or out of the EU

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is not the issue that matters most to someone who is unemployed.

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Economic growth is what matters to them. I couldn't agree more. The

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sooner we come out of Europe, the sooner we created that economic

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growth. But we are only just having this debate. But what can we do

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about it? That is the politicians' agenda at the moment. What they

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should be doing is having a referendum now and gets rid of the

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uncertainty. Get it out of the way and the uncertainty is over with.

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Michael, is this not going back to the Conservatives just banging on

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about Europe and not being in touch with constituents? Eight raised this

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in the past few weeks and most don't care about it. I think the person

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that captured it was the lady that said this has been going on for a

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long time. I am 52 years old and I now have never had a vote on whether

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we should be part of the European Union. It is a principal part of how

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our laws are made. I think we should have a good discussion about how

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Europe can be proved to be made more competitive and efficient. Is this

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not just about jumping to UKIP's June? It is not about the good of

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the country. I member the Green Party coming up as a single issue

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group. But shouldn't you you be thinking about the good of the

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country not the good of the Conservative Party? I think it is

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healthy that UKIP have put this on the agenda. The Conservative Party

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and James Wharton have picked it up and run with it and we are the only

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once, I would argue, who can deliver it. Richard, if this becomes law,

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why bother voting the UKIP? Because, as I say, for it to have any teeth,

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Mr Cameron has to have a majority and be the leader of the party. The

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point is that we don't want to renegotiate a deal with Europe and I

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think a great percentage of the British public don't want that

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either. We want to revert back to what we thought we were signing up

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travelling on a local trains have been highlighted in the Commons by N

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MP who says his constituents are having to be pushed across the

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tracks in gaps between high-speed Rory Stewart has used a Commons

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debate to call for a better deal for the disabled at his local station,

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he said a lift was needed as the existing arrangements are

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unacceptable. A19 it involves you being pushed across the great West

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Coast Main line in the gaps between trains travelling at 125 mph, not

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exactly the best conditions. Army centres close in the region despite

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Government plans to increase the size of the territorial Army. The MP

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for Blaydon has called by independent public inquiry into

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policing during the Miners' Strike. Said many miners were arrested

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unlawfully. Students from Ashington High School

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have met John Bercow and the Lord Speaker. They were shown around

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Parliament in locations connected How can we look after the landscapes

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of North Yorkshire and the Lake District while ensuring communities

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thrive and tourists visit? That's what our National Park

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Authorities are supposed to do. They have to try to protect the scenery

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that's made them so special while also deciding how much of it can be

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built on and developed. One MP says they are not listening enough. He is

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our reporter. -- here is our reporter.

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It has mountains, sweeping scenery and wildlife aplenty. But all is not

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well behind the postcard views. feel frustrated, we feel hampered

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every way we turn. Earlier this year, the non-elected members of the

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national park planning committee rejected plans to build a zip wire

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for the second time. The Lake District is a brand. It needs to

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have reinvestment, it needs exciting new things happening to it. Nothing

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has happened in 15 years, that I am aware of. We're just sat here as if

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we have shackles. When not allowed to move upwards. -- we are not

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allowed. He is not the only critic. There was upset here when planners

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refused to let this field be used as at at night were vetoed. We don't

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think the special planning board lives around here. We are

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consulted, and we live here. We don't want the place spoilt. But

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when how decisions are ignored sometimes we win some, sometimes we

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lose some. But the decisions taken by the board seem bizarre. It is not

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already taken and refusals. Most are approved by the authority and some

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say more thought is being given to business growth. They have changed a

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lot in the ten years I have been working here and they genuinely

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listen to the concerns of businesses. They don't always agree

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with them or approve the application is that some businesses would like,

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but there is a better dialogue and we are content that we can get an

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audience and influence and change the way they think. If that thinking

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doesn't go your way, there is not much you can do about it. The

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members are recruited by district councils and the secretary of state,

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Thompson calls for some members to be directly elected. People may say,

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that's not build any affordable houses in this village, let keep it

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as it is. The local people will say, hang about, how can a local

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families and young people bring the lifeblood that we need unless you

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build affordable homes. The same applies to farms and businesses. If

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you have local people elected to the national park, you are more likely

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to get those sensible decisions. Decision-making in National Parks

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has been under review uses 2010 and it is hoped the eventual outcome

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will allow it to keep that Beatrix Potter champ, as well as let it grow

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into the future. -- charm. I asked him if he thought that was

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acceptable. It is not a Lake District National Park, it is a

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National Park that happens to be called the Lake District. From the

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earliest days, this has been a problem. How to be represented? The

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solution they found was that the district, the stakeholders in the

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park and the county is the territorial stakeholder, ought to be

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the majority of people. The serving councillors are appointed to the

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park as an outside body, and outside specialist Audie to serve. There is

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no question of illegitimacy. I think people in the Lake District may

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differ, but they think is that you aren't accountable to them because

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there is no act link between them and you and you are making decisions

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that affect their lives. We are not the sole body operating. They have

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their full quota of County Councils and district councillors. They are

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not the people taking planning decisions about their lives.

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Accusations we have heard from businesses are stifling economic

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development. We are the only national park in England, we work

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closely in insisting that Cumbria must have its own .Mac got it in the

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end. The National Park has been in the end of that. We are not some

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prefer a body that's just dabbles in planning, we are elected local

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councillors, three quarters of us, and many of the people who are on

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our board are serving councillors. To say we walked in off the road is

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ridiculous. What would you say about your record in terms of the balance

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between preserving the countryside and ensuring that people can get

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jobs? We wouldn't be at the centre. We work in partnership and most of

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our work is days and increasingly as the cuts bite, a lot more will be,

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it depends on the partnership working. Many of the people in the

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bodies are local and some may be criticising us, I don't know, it

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works and it is admired. We had a visit yesterday and they went away

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shaking their heads in disbelief, not because we are not part of it

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but because we are so central to it. Are lucky enough to have other parks

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in the area. Is Tim Farron writes to say they should be more accountable?

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Is it a good idea to have these positions are electable? I like the

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idea of making it more accountable. Half of them are appointed by the

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Department of culture, media and sport. I hope that people would take

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a great deal more interest in the park and would seek to become

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members of that. That would be a first step to have the debate out in

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the open. But when you think about it, it is a terrible balance because

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we enjoy the most beautiful of scenery. But we recognise that

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people had to work and live there. Woody UKIP introduced collections to

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national parks? -- Woody UKIP. Absolutely. People want another set

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of elections? The police commissioner on elections didn't set

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the world alight. The thing about the National Parks authority, it is

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basically a Government quango and they are notoriously expensive. The

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Lake District National Park get �6 million worth of taxpayers funding

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and of that, they only spend 7% on preserving the environment. They

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spend 12% on the hierarchy of the people that have the top jobs, that

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is �750,000 per year that go on a elected -- that go on unelected

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people. People want more homes and jobs. There are many problems going

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around in this country and I don't think our national parks that are

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envied around the world are one of the biggest problems. What about

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people that can't get a house vote? Mac it is not an issue the National

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Park to address, it is to do with the local authorities. But It is a

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point worth looking at. That is about it from us. Don't forget to

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check out my blog online. You will find my profile of the man of the

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