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Morning, folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics, where we're talking | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
about the Europe-wide contest that really matters. No, not Eurovision. | :00:38. | :00:46. | |
The European elections. There are local elections across England too | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
on May 22nd. The party leaders are campaigning ahead of polling day. | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
The results could be a pointer to the Big One, May 2015. We'll be | :00:54. | :01:00. | |
speaking to the man in charge of Labour's election battle plan. Has | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
the opposition really got its sights set on all-out victory in 2015? Or | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
will it just be content with squeaking home? And you can't | :01:07. | :01:13. | |
mention elections these days without talking about the impact of this | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
In the North East and Cumbria: him if UKIP really | :01:18. | :01:29. | |
In the North East and Cumbria: Conservative and Lib Dem candidates | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
fight it out as both try to hold onto their seats. | :01:34. | :01:35. | |
And who's voting for UKIP? We've the view from South Shields. | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
And I'm joined by three journalists guaranteed to bring a touch of | :01:38. | :01:42. | |
Eurovision glamour to your Sunday morning. With views more | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
controversial than a bearded Austrian drag act and twice the | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
dress sense, it's Nick Watt, Helen Lewis and Janan Ganesh. So you might | :01:49. | :01:58. | |
have thought you've already heard David Cameron promise an in-out | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
referendum on EU membership in 2017 if he's still Prime Minister. Many | :02:01. | :02:07. | |
times. Many, many times. Well he obviously doesn't think you've been | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
listening, because he's been saying it again today. Here he is speaking | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
to the BBC earlier. We will hold a referendum by the end of 2017. It | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
will be a referendum on an in-out basis. Do we stay in a reformed | :02:19. | :02:22. | |
European Union or do we leave? And I've said very clearly that whatever | :02:23. | :02:25. | |
the outcome of the next election, and of course I want an overall | :02:26. | :02:28. | |
majority and I'm hoping and believing I can win an overall | :02:29. | :02:31. | |
majority, that people should be in no doubt I will not become Prime | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
Minister unless I can guarantee that we will hold a referendum. Here's | :02:35. | :02:45. | |
saying there that an overall majority there will definitely be a | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
referendum. If these are the minority position, he won't form a | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
new coalition unless they agree to a referendum, too. The Lib Dems a | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
pulmonary agree to that. They probably will because the Prime | :02:59. | :03:00. | |
ministers have a strong argument which is I gave you a referendum | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
back in 2010 so the least I need is theirs and the Lib Dems are the only | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
party who have stood in recent elections on a clear mandate to hold | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
a referendum, so it is difficult for them to say no, there was | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
interesting the interview he did earlier today. He named everything | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
was going to ask for. The most controversial with him, as he said | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
in his speech last year, he wants to take Britain out of the commitment | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
to make the European Union and ever closer union. That is a very big | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
ask, but the point is, he may well get it because the choice for the | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
European Union now, France and Germany, is a clear wonderful do | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
Britain in or out? Previously, it was can you put up with a British | :03:45. | :03:47. | |
prime ministers being annoying? I think you'll find the answer is they | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
are willing to pay a price but not any price to keep Britain in. In | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
this scenario, Labour would have lost the election again because we | :03:57. | :04:02. | |
are talking the slowly happen if Mr Cameron is the largest party or has | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
an overall majority. Could you then see Labour deciding we had better go | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
along with a referendum, too? I think that's unlikely because as I | :04:11. | :04:12. | |
think that's unlikely because there's a huge upside for that for I | :04:13. | :04:15. | |
think what's interesting is the idea he would for minority government. | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
Would you get confidence and look at other options that might well happen | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
with the way the arithmetic is going or is he going to hold out and say | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
the only way I will be Prime Minister is in a majority | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
Conservative government? No, the implication of his remarks was I | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
wouldn't form a coalition government unless my coalition partners would | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
also agree to vote for a referendum. He's basically talking about is | :04:41. | :04:42. | |
negotiating strategy in those coalition talks. It's a red line and | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
a huge opportunity for the Lib Dems, because they know David Cameron | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
absolutely has to do, for accidental reasons, as a person who survives as | :04:52. | :04:57. | |
Tory leader, to ask for that referendum, so they can ask anything | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
they want in return and if I was Nick Clegg, I would work out in the | :05:02. | :05:04. | |
next year one absolute colossal negotiating demand for those | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
coalition talks. For a party around 10% in the polls, they will do have | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
the Prime Minister over a barrel on this one, assuming that coalition | :05:16. | :05:24. | |
talks goes well. They could make Michael Gove Tbyte meeting. OK, we | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
need to move on. So, the politicians are out and about on what used to be | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
called the stump ahead of local and European elections in less than two | :05:34. | :05:36. | |
weeks' time. But, without wanting to depress you on a damp Sunday | :05:37. | :05:39. | |
morning, the party strategists are already hard at work on their | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
campaign plans for the General Election next May. Yes, it's less | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
than a year to go. They may have taken their time, but Labour's | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
battleplan for 2015 is starting to take shape. As well as take | :05:49. | :05:51. | |
promising to freeze your energy bills, and reintroduce the 50p rate | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
of tax, Ed Miliband now says he wants to intervene in the housing | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
market to keep rents down. There's even talk that the party leadership | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
wants to bring more railway lines into public ownership. And Labour is | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
gambling that its big push on the cost of living will see it through | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
to the general election despite evidence that growth is firmly back. | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
Labour's campaign chief Douglas Alexander hopes it all adds up to | :06:15. | :06:20. | |
victory next May. But so far, the evidence is hitting home very thin. | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
One survey today shows that 56% of people don't think Mr Miliband is up | :06:27. | :06:31. | |
to the job of Prime Minister. As we head towards one of the least | :06:32. | :06:33. | |
predictable general elections in 70 years, has Labour got a message to | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
win seats up and down the country? And Labour's election co-ordinator | :06:40. | :06:41. | |
and Shadow Foreign Secretary, Douglas Alexander, joins me now. | :06:42. | :06:49. | |
Welcome to Sunday Politics. A lot of these policies announced polar | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
pretty well. By popular with the country. When you add them together, | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
it's a move to the left and what would be wrong with that? I think is | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
your packet suggests, the contours in the coming campaign are becoming | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
clear. Our judgement is the defining issue of the year in British | :07:09. | :07:11. | |
politics will be the widening gap between the wealth of the country | :07:12. | :07:14. | |
and the finances of ordinary families. We believe it will be a | :07:15. | :07:17. | |
cost of living election and we have been setting out our thinking in | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
relation to energy prices and rent, but you will hear more from Labour | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
Party in the coming months because we're now less than one year away | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
from a decisive moment. If the leftish think tank suggested any of | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
his policies in that Tony Blair years, you would have opposed them. | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
Let's be clear, when not going for an interest but seeking to secure a | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
majority for the only way to do that is not simply to appeal to your | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
base, but to the centre ground. I believe we got genuine opportunities | :07:48. | :07:52. | |
in the next year. You have the Conservatives in a struggle with | :07:53. | :07:56. | |
UKIP on the right of politics. The Lib Dems 9% of trying to find their | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
base, and there's a genuine opportunity in the next year for | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
Labour to dominate the centre ground of politics and secure the majority | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
Labour government we are planning for in the coming year. I notice you | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
didn't deny you wouldn't have opposed. You say you have got an | :08:12. | :08:22. | |
message for aspirational voters in the South. This is what John Denham | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
said. He thinks you're talking too much to your core vote. | :08:28. | :08:37. | |
He is right to recognise we took a terrible beating in 2010. 29%. If | :08:38. | :08:46. | |
you look at what we've done in the last week, for example, the | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
signature policy on rent Ed Miliband announced to launch the campaign, | :08:52. | :08:53. | |
there's now more than 9 million people in the country in the private | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
rented sector, more than 1 million families. Many of them are in the | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
south-east. They are seeing circumstances where, suddenly, | :09:03. | :09:04. | |
landlord will increase the rent and they put the pressure involved in | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
schooling, health care facing the families, so it is important both in | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
terms of policy and in terms of politics that we speak to the whole | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
country, not simply to one part of it falls up what is the average rise | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
in event last year? I don't know. Can you tell me? 1%. 1% not in real | :09:22. | :09:30. | |
terms. I'm not sure what the problem is. It will happen to wages in last | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
year, we are facing circumstances where people will be worse off, up | :09:37. | :09:42. | |
to ?1600 off worse and frankly, if our opponents want to argue that the | :09:43. | :09:47. | |
economy has healed and they deserve a victory lap, good luck to them | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
because actually, what we are hearing from the Buddhist public, | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
not just in the north and south, is not the cost living crisis is | :09:57. | :10:00. | |
continuing and it affects families. There was nothing aspirational about | :10:01. | :10:02. | |
your party election broadcast for the European elections. It looked | :10:03. | :10:08. | |
like crude class war to money people. That's a bit of it. Bedroom | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
tax. Isn't it going to look bad that two thirds of those affected are | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
disabled? Who cares? They can't fight back. Shall be lay-offs and | :10:17. | :10:23. | |
NHS nurses? The National Health Service? Oh yes. Mr Cameron? Who | :10:24. | :10:37. | |
said that? Me. My gosh. The man has shrunk. He's actually shrunk. What | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
shall we do with him? Can we hunt him? Nothing about Europe, Labour | :10:42. | :10:48. | |
policy. News that the Tories would result in negative campaigning and | :10:49. | :10:53. | |
smear. You didn't tell you would be just as bad. Let's start the party | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
broadcast. The one thing guaranteed to have most people reaching for the | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
remote control these days are the words, there now follows a party but | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
the broadcast. I make no apology in the factory to be innovative in how | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
we presented. It's factual. It was a policy -based critic of this | :11:13. | :11:16. | |
government. And the Lib Dems role within it. So you're claiming it's | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
factual to betray the camera and cabinet is not even knowing what the | :11:22. | :11:29. | |
NHS is, -- the Cameron Cabinet. They attack the disabled because they | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
can't fight back. The Pinellas Tanner severely Prime Minister Sun | :11:34. | :11:38. | |
and he was treated during a short life by the NHS. It's a fact many | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
disabled people across the country including in my constituency have | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
been directly affected by the bedroom tax. And ultimately, this | :11:49. | :11:51. | |
Conservative led government, including the Lib Dems, will be held | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
accountable by the politicians. You say that, the Prime Minister, who | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
had a severely disabled son of. I you not ashamed about? I shadowed | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
Iain Duncan Smith of five months also they don't have the excuses of | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
seeing that saying nobody told them the consequences of the bedroom tax. | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
They went into this with their eyes open. They knew about the hardship | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
and difficulty. If they were one-bedroom properties available | :12:20. | :12:21. | |
across the country for people to move into, their argument would be | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
OK but they knew they were dealing with the most vulnerable people. Did | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
you sign off that part of the broadcast? Of course I stand by the | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
fact of it. I wish David Cameron and Iain Duncan Smith would apologise to | :12:38. | :12:41. | |
the disabled people of the country and the poorest people for the | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
effects of the bedroom tax. I hope we get that apology between now and | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
election. As someone who thinks integrity is important in politics, | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
not ashamed of this kind of thing? It's important we scrutinise the | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
policies of this government as well as adding a positive agenda for | :13:00. | :13:06. | |
change. You want that you won't promise this is the last time we'll | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
see such a negative press campaign? I don't think it is negative or | :13:12. | :13:13. | |
personal to scrutinise the government. So we'll get more of | :13:14. | :13:18. | |
this? I'm less interested in the background of the cabinet than their | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
views. You call the upper-class twits. It's for the British public | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
to make a judgement in terms of the British... That's how you depicted | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
them. We are held in accountable for the bedroom tax, the NHS, taxation, | :13:33. | :13:39. | |
and our record they have to defend. One reason are so fearful in this | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
election is actually because they know they have a poor record. Let's | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
look at other part of the election campaign. This poster. Particularly | :13:48. | :13:54. | |
digitally doing the rounds. On that shopping basket, can you tell us | :13:55. | :14:01. | |
which items take the full 20% VAT? It's representative of household | :14:02. | :14:04. | |
shopping, which includes items like cleaning products, and we know that | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
food is not that trouble. People don't go to the supermarket and say | :14:09. | :14:24. | |
this is -- vatable. So you are denying that ?450 extra is being | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
paid? Yes, where'd you get that figure? For an average family to pay | :14:29. | :14:36. | |
?450 a year extra VAT, they would have to spend ?21,600 a year on | :14:37. | :14:44. | |
vatable products at 20%. The average take-home pay is only 21,009. They | :14:45. | :14:48. | |
have got to spend on all sorts of things which are zero VAT. So in | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
addition to the items, has a range of products people face in terms of | :14:54. | :15:00. | |
VAT. How could an average family of ?21,000 a year spent 21,006 and the | :15:01. | :15:07. | |
pound a year on 20% vatable items? It's not an annual figure, is it? So | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
what is it then? If it's an annual, what is it? The increased VAT in | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
this parliament is calculated over the course of a Parliament. For the | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
whole of the Parliament? And you're illustrated this with a shopping | :15:27. | :15:32. | |
basket which almost has no VAT on it at all? People will be buying a | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
weekly shop in the course of this Parliament every week. Did you sign | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
off on this as well? Of course. It didn't dawn on you you're putting | :15:43. | :15:46. | |
things on it which have no VAT? If you want to argue some people go to | :15:47. | :15:51. | |
the shops and say these are vatable or not, I disagree. Even your rent | :15:52. | :16:00. | |
cap announcement went wrong. You're working on the rent rises and it | :16:01. | :16:03. | |
turns out it wasn't. It was a post your policy. It is the exception | :16:04. | :16:13. | |
rather than the rule to have the position we have at the moment. In | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
Northern Ireland we have seen the continued rise in terms of the | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
rented sector but there is a widespread recognition that for | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
those people in the rented sector, change is necessary. Are you | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
coordinating this campaign? It seems accident prone. This is a party that | :16:34. | :16:44. | |
has set the agenda more effectively than a Conservative party that said | :16:45. | :16:47. | |
when David Cameron was elected he wasn't going to bang on about | :16:48. | :16:56. | |
Europe. The day after the election we expect the Conservative party to | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
be engulfed in crisis. I'm proud of what we talk about and I think there | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
is a clear contrast about a party talking about issues people care | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
about, and a Conservative party talking about exclusively a | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
referendum. Are you in charge of the campaign? I am coordinating the | :17:16. | :17:23. | |
campaign is, yes. The expensive election guru you have hired, has he | :17:24. | :17:29. | |
been involved in any of this? We have started our discussions with | :17:30. | :17:34. | |
him. You are going to have to brief him about British politics because | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
he doesn't know anything about it. I make no apology for hiring him. He | :17:39. | :17:45. | |
has a lot of experience in winning tight elections and that is what we | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
are expecting. If you are expecting us to say, they have passed and we | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
have to hold them accountable, then I am sorry but we have a campaign | :17:57. | :18:03. | |
that holds the Government and the Conservatives to account for what I | :18:04. | :18:12. | |
think is a very hopeless record in government. Thank you. | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
He leads a party with zero MPs but his media presence is huge. He's had | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
an expenses scandal, but the public didn't seem to mind. He's got a | :18:22. | :18:23. | |
privileged background but he's seen as an anti-establishment champion. | :18:24. | :18:26. | |
Nothing seems to stick to him, not even eggs. I speak of course of | :18:27. | :18:30. | |
Nigel Farage. We'll talk to him in a moment, but first Giles has been out | :18:31. | :18:33. | |
on the campaign trail ahead of elections that could make or break | :18:34. | :18:36. | |
the UKIP leader. Nigel Farage likes a stage, and at | :18:37. | :18:39. | |
this stage of the Euro and local election campaign he is, like his | :18:40. | :18:43. | |
party, in buoyant mood. They feel they are on the verge of what they | :18:44. | :18:47. | |
see as causing an earthquake in British politics. Today Nigel is | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
filling thousands seat venues and bigger. Not that there's much sign | :18:53. | :19:02. | |
of that at this press launch. But it's a threat with serious money | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
behind it, that they believe the media and the political elite just | :19:06. | :19:07. | |
haven't realised yet, much less learned how to counter it. Not that | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
it's all been plain sailing. Offensive comments from some | :19:11. | :19:13. | |
candidates has not only seen UKIP labelled as racist, but necessitated | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
a rally by the party to visibly and verbally challenge that. The | :19:17. | :19:24. | |
offensive idiotic statements made by this handful of people have been | :19:25. | :19:26. | |
lifted up and presented to the great British public as if they represent | :19:27. | :19:31. | |
the view of this party, which they do not. They never have and they | :19:32. | :19:34. | |
never will. APPLAUSE I don't care what you call us, but | :19:35. | :19:50. | |
from this moment on, please do not call must trust a racist party. We | :19:51. | :20:01. | |
are not a racist party. The need to say that is not just | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
about the European and local elections even at that campaign | :20:05. | :20:07. | |
launch it's clear UKIP's leader has set his sights firmly on the | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
ultimate prize. I come from the south of England and I would not | :20:11. | :20:12. | |
want to be seen as an opportunist heading to the north, north Norfolk | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
or whatever it will be. I will make my mind up and stand in the general | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
election for somewhere in Kent, East Sussex, Hampshire, somewhere in my | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
home patch. Back at UKIP HQ they are still drilling down how the last | :20:29. | :20:37. | |
fortnight of campaigning should go. They aren't taking any chances, and | :20:38. | :20:40. | |
one imagines having offices above those of Max Clifford is a reminder | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
how fragile built reputations can be of the bubble bursting. They want | :20:44. | :20:46. | |
their reputation to be built on votes and they know anything but | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
significant success on May 22nd and some seats in Westminster in 2015 | :20:50. | :20:57. | |
isn't going to be good enough. And after that, having sold yourselves | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
as the honest outsiders, that stance is harder to maintain once your | :21:01. | :21:03. | |
people are on the inside. And subtle changes from the past are already | :21:04. | :21:10. | |
noticeable. The ordinary man of the people stance is still working. | :21:11. | :21:12. | |
Characteristically outside a pub, Nigel Farage is glad handed by a | :21:13. | :21:19. | |
customer. Two weeks to go, let's cause an upset. Wouldn't that be | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
great? The only sign that such an interaction is different now is the | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
ever presence of bodyguards who shadow his every move. Over lunch | :21:28. | :21:39. | |
ahead of Question Time, a radio appearance, and then off to | :21:40. | :21:42. | |
Scotland, I ask him if some of those minded to vote UKIP who see him as a | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
man they'd be comfortable having a drink with are the sort of people | :21:47. | :21:49. | |
he'd be entirely comfortable sitting down with. Every political party | :21:50. | :21:51. | |
attracts support from across the spectrum and there will be some | :21:52. | :21:54. | |
magnificent people who vote for us and some ne'er-do-wells. The one | :21:55. | :22:02. | |
common thing about UKIP voters is that they are often not very | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
political. And it's that people's army that if UKIP can get to a | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
polling booth might just create that earthquake they want. | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
Nigel Farage joins me now. When you decided not to stand at the new work | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
by election coming said if you lost it that the bubble would have | :22:22. | :22:28. | |
burst. What did you mean by that? I was asked at seven 20p -- at 7:21pm | :22:29. | :22:47. | |
if I would stand, I have decided by the next morning that I would not. I | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
didn't know he was going to resign. You claim only a handful of UKIP | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
candidates have ever said things that are either stupid or offensive, | :22:58. | :23:04. | |
I'm right on that, yes? 0.1%, I'd rather it was non-. But why have you | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
chosen a candidate to fight this by-election that has said many | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
things most people would regard as stupid or offensive? Roger is | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
fighting this for us, someone of 70 years of age who grew up with a | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
strong Christian Bible background, in an age when homosexuality was | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
imprisonable. He had a certain set of views which he maintained for | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
many years which he now says he accepts the world has moved on and | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
he is relaxed about it. The comments about homosexuality are not from the | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
dark ages, they are from two or three years ago. From when he was a | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
Conservative, yes, so will you be asking David Cameron that question? | :23:53. | :23:56. | |
I have never seen a single comment from Roger that would be deemed to | :23:57. | :24:04. | |
be offensive. Do you regard his comments on homosexuality as | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
offensive? When he grew up, homosexuality was illegal in this | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
country. But this was in 2012 but he said that. Most people have his age | :24:15. | :24:25. | |
still feel uncomfortable about it -- of his age. In 2012 he said, if two | :24:26. | :24:32. | |
men can be married, why not three, why not a commune. Many people in | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
this country are disconcerted by the change in the meaning of marriage | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
and in a tolerant society we understand that some people have | :24:44. | :24:47. | |
different views. But he has changed his views now in only two years? He | :24:48. | :24:52. | |
says he is more relaxed about it. Was he your candidate? He is a | :24:53. | :25:03. | |
first-class campaigner who has had 30 years in industry, he served in | :25:04. | :25:07. | |
the European Parliament, he is a good candidate. This morning's | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
papers suggest you are about to select Victoria Ayling for Grimsby, | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
but she is on camera saying that, of immigrants, I just want to send a | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
lot back. This is all very interesting, and we can talk about | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
it, all we could talk about the fact that in 12 days we have a European | :25:27. | :25:30. | |
election and every voter across the UK can vote on it and it is really | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
interesting. Are you happy to pick a candidate that says of immigrants, I | :25:38. | :25:45. | |
just want to send a lot back? I have seen the tape, it is a complete | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
misquote and she says it in the context of illegal immigrants. I | :25:51. | :25:58. | |
have seen the full quote and in the context it is not about illegal | :25:59. | :26:01. | |
immigrants. Let's come onto the European campaign, you have used a | :26:02. | :26:06. | |
company that employs Eastern European is to deliver leaflets in | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
London and the Home Counties. Have we? I'm told that in Croydon one | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
branch might have done that. Have you found some indigenous Brits to | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
deliver leaflets in Europe? We have thousands joining the party every | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
month and they are not all indigenous because what is | :26:28. | :26:30. | |
interesting is that in today's opinion polls, UKIP is above the Lib | :26:31. | :26:46. | |
Dems and the Conservatives amongst the indigenous voting. | :26:47. | :26:56. | |
We have not agreed a manifesto for the general election, we will do | :26:57. | :27:03. | |
over the course of the summer. This is in your local election. We are | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
having local elections in some part of the country but we are fighting a | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
European election. It is impossible with the British media to have an | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
intelligent debate on the European question. But as I say, we are also | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
fighting the local elections too. You have promised these tax cuts, | :27:25. | :27:31. | |
how much will they cost? I have met -- read the local election manifesto | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
and it doesn't make those promises. We do talk about local services, we | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
do talk about the need to keep council tax down but we don't talk | :27:41. | :27:48. | |
about income tax. Absolutely not. In local election campaigning you say | :27:49. | :27:52. | |
you would restore cuts to policing, double prison places, restore cuts | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
to front line NHS, spend more on roads, how much would that cost? You | :27:59. | :28:05. | |
are obviously reading different documents to me. We are voting for | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
local councillors in district councils who have got little local | :28:11. | :28:17. | |
budgets. Every party in a manifesto puts his aspirations in it. Have you | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
read it? Of course I have, cover to cover, which is why I'm saying you | :28:24. | :28:29. | |
are misquoting it. By the way, on the bubble bursting, you told that | :28:30. | :28:36. | |
to Norman Smith of the BBC. 75% of British laws are now made in the | :28:37. | :28:41. | |
European Union. Now AstraZeneca is potentially going to be taken over | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
by Pfizer. The BBC is refusing to show the public that that decision | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
cannot be taken here but by an elected European commissioner, and | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
we sit and argue about what is in or not in the local election manifesto. | :28:56. | :29:09. | |
It is my job, but let me come on to AstraZeneca. Is it your view that a | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
British government should stop the takeover of AstraZeneca? It cannot. | :29:13. | :29:24. | |
Can we please get this clear. I sat next to Chuka Umunna the other day | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
at question time and he said what could and couldn't be done. He said | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
I am being studiously neutral, and the reason is we don't have this | :29:35. | :29:38. | |
power. That is what the European elections is about. Should France | :29:39. | :29:44. | |
have the takeover of the food company Danan? We seem to do things | :29:45. | :30:02. | |
to the Nth degree and nobody else does, perhaps because we have this | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
culture and we obey it. In your view, you don't think Pfizer should | :30:07. | :30:15. | |
be able to take over AstraZeneca? There is some good science within | :30:16. | :30:16. | |
AstraZeneca which is in being asset stripped and lost. | :30:17. | :30:26. | |
Because it is run by a Swede and a Frenchman and most of its employees | :30:27. | :30:31. | |
are overseas. I understand that but there are still some good science | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
being produced here. What did you think of the Prime Minister saying | :30:37. | :30:39. | |
he would not form a government after the election unless he was able to | :30:40. | :30:45. | |
have a referendum in 2017? I sat here talking to you and you said to | :30:46. | :30:52. | |
me that David Cameron had given a cast-iron guarantee that if David | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
Cameron becomes Prime Minister he will have a referendum on the Lisbon | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
Treaty, but he didn't deliver on that. He knows that people struggle | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
to believe the renegotiation is worth a row of beans. He is saying | :31:06. | :31:11. | |
he will not form a government unless he can go forward with the | :31:12. | :31:15. | |
referendum. I know he is desperately trying to pretend to be Eurosceptic | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
whilst at the same time saying he will campaign for Britain to remain | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
in. In a sense, that is what this election is about. We have three | :31:24. | :31:27. | |
traditional parties, all of whom passionately believe in the | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
continued membership of the European Union and we have UKIP saying we | :31:31. | :31:34. | |
want trade and cooperation but there is a bigger and better world out | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
there. You are now travelling with I think four bodyguards, has this | :31:41. | :31:51. | |
affected you and your family life? I can't stand it. I've always wondered | :31:52. | :31:55. | |
about the place and on my own thing. Sadly we have a couple of | :31:56. | :31:59. | |
organisations out there headed up by senior Labour Party figures who | :32:00. | :32:01. | |
purport to be against fascism and extremism, who received funding from | :32:02. | :32:07. | |
the Department of communities, from the trade unions, who have acted in | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
a violent wait more than once. You are saying the Labour Party is | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
behind the threats? No, I said a taxpayer funded, trade union funded | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
and headed by senior Labour Party figures, and I'm happy for them to | :32:21. | :32:23. | |
come to my meetings and have an itinerant with me, but it's not so | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
much fun when there are banging you over the head. I is still keen to be | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
an MP? Yes, what UKIP will then do is target before the general | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
election next year for the one life be easier if you just went to the | :32:39. | :32:43. | |
Lords? That's the last thing I want to do. There's an awful lot to do. | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
Most of all, I will not rest until we are free from political union and | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
government from Brussels. Nigel Farage, thank you for being with us. | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
It's just gone 11.30am. You're watching the Sunday Politics. We say | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
goodbye to viewers in Scotland, who leave us now for Sunday Politics | :32:58. | :33:00. | |
Scotland. Coming up here in 20 minutes, our panel talks about the | :33:01. | :33:02. | |
big stories of the week. Hello and welcome to your local part | :33:03. | :33:15. | |
of the show and the second of our European election specials. Last | :33:16. | :33:19. | |
Sunday Labour and UKIP candidates in the North East argued over migration | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
and jobs. This week it's the turn of Conservative Martin Callanan and | :33:24. | :33:25. | |
Liberal Democrat Angelika Schneider to go head`to`head. UKIP are a | :33:26. | :33:32. | |
potential threat to their hopes. We're in South Shields a year after | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
they came second in the by`election there. We've been talking to voters | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
to see if Nigel Farage's party can build on that success. And we'll be | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
talking to the Greens who say it's time to put fracking and nuclear | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
power on the election agenda. Well, Labour believe they can | :33:48. | :33:50. | |
overcome the threat from UKIP to top the poll in the North East on May | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
22. The party leader Ed Miliband took his campaign to Tyneside on | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
Friday afternoon with a visit to Newcastle's Grainger market. There | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
may be elections for the European Parliament but Labour has chosen to | :34:02. | :34:04. | |
focus mainly upon economic themes and its familiar message about what | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
it calls the "cost of living crisis". Angelika Schneider, you | :34:08. | :34:16. | |
have tried to position yourself as the party who are pro`EU. Our labour | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
just as pro`EU as you are, and they are not sullied by being in | :34:22. | :34:30. | |
government with the Conservatives? If you look at the Labour election | :34:31. | :34:33. | |
broadcast, if you listen to Ed Miliband, the real issue for the | :34:34. | :34:38. | |
European elections is to actually talk about Europe and make the case | :34:39. | :34:41. | |
for Europe, and talk about what you want to do in Europe. We don't hear | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
anything from Labour about these issues. The polls suggesting people | :34:45. | :34:51. | |
not buying that. Your poll ratings are pretty terrible. You might not | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
keep your seat here? I agree that the polls are looking challenging | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
for the Liberal Democrats. In life, when the going gets tough you have | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
two choices, you can either go in the corner and feel sorry for | :35:07. | :35:09. | |
yourself or you can go out and speak to more people, make the case for EU | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
membership, make the case for jobs and growth here in the north`east, | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
make the case for tackling crime, tackling crack `` climate change. | :35:19. | :35:25. | |
That is what we're doing is Liberal Democrats, standing proud and | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
fighting EU membership. Is it good by Brussels? I don't think so | :35:31. | :35:37. | |
actually. There has been no specific regionwide Paul's, but a revolt is | :35:38. | :35:46. | |
solid, I have been going out. The Conservatives have never been that | :35:47. | :35:50. | |
strong in the north`east. We have always managed to get a seat in the | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
last three European elections, so I am quietly optimistic. I am not | :35:57. | :36:03. | |
taking anything for granted. Why do you think the Conservatives are not | :36:04. | :36:09. | |
reaping any benefits? We have been traditionally, the north`east has | :36:10. | :36:11. | |
been a Labour area, a difficult battle for us. It was a lot better | :36:12. | :36:22. | |
under Margaret Thatcher's time? If you look at some of the performance | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
of many of our labour authorities in the region, many people have been | :36:27. | :36:29. | |
let down, they are still living in poor conditions. Primarily driven by | :36:30. | :36:34. | |
the Labour Party. It is a hard message to get across but we're | :36:35. | :36:36. | |
trying to do that. Well, it was a year ago this week | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
that UKIP made one of its big breakthroughs in the North East, | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
coming second in the South Shields by`election. Since then the party | :36:44. | :36:46. | |
claims it's been winning new members and gaining support daily across the | :36:47. | :36:49. | |
region. Our correspondent Mark Denten has been back to South | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
Shields to try and gauge levels of support for UKIP ahead of this | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
month's elections. A year ago, the South Shields | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
by`election, Labour holding onto a seat they have had since 1935. | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
Labour supporters celebrated, there are party's majority dropped by over | :37:06. | :37:12. | |
4000, putting on the squeeze UKIP. UKIP got nearly a quarter of the | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
votes here in South Shields in that election. 5000 people voted for | :37:17. | :37:20. | |
them, 3000 more than voted Conservative, 17 times more than | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
voted Liberal Democrat. Flash in the pan or platform for success at the | :37:27. | :37:32. | |
European elections? What do the voters of South Shields make of | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
UKIP? The Conservatives promised this and that for the country. It | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
has gone downhill badly. Labour have done the same thing. I used to vote | :37:44. | :37:52. | |
Labour, now I have gone to UKIP. Listening to the people and picking | :37:53. | :37:59. | |
up on what people want, not just saying what people want to hear. | :38:00. | :38:05. | |
What do you want? More control on immigration. I don't agree with a | :38:06. | :38:11. | |
lot of the policies. The immigration ones I don't agree with. My family | :38:12. | :38:16. | |
actually came from Arabia originally. I think that a lot of | :38:17. | :38:24. | |
the workers that do immigrate work really hard. How UKIP's policies | :38:25. | :38:32. | |
going down here? If there is a bit of an international flavour here, | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
that is really no surprise because South Shields has a history of | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
immigration going back over 100 years. With UKIP calling for tougher | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
immigration policies, is that encouraging the voters around here | :38:45. | :38:51. | |
or is it a turn`off? I wouldn't be one for voting for it if that was | :38:52. | :38:58. | |
the case. It brings in, it helps the economy as well. The UK has an open | :38:59. | :39:05. | |
door policy for everyone, basically. Migrants are coming in from | :39:06. | :39:12. | |
everywhere. Obviously, the way the country is at the moment with the | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
Conservatives, working`class people worse off now. The cost of living | :39:16. | :39:25. | |
has gone through the roof, we just have to come in line with the cost | :39:26. | :39:28. | |
of living. I think change is needed, definitely. Would you vote UKIP? If | :39:29. | :39:37. | |
they could make the change, yes. I hear on from that election, we're | :39:38. | :39:44. | |
ready for more voting. Our UKIP just a protest vote easily dismissed, or | :39:45. | :39:46. | |
the stuff of nightmares for the other parties? | :39:47. | :39:53. | |
We still have the Liberal Democrat and Conservative parties candidates | :39:54. | :40:02. | |
still here. And also here is the Green Party's lead candidate in the | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
North East, Shirley Ford. We would like to have voters backing us. UKIP | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
is a party of protest and anger, we are a party of answers. We are the | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
only party that is able to deliver a referendum on the European Union, so | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
if you want to leave like some of those voters did, you're only going | :40:23. | :40:25. | |
to be able to do that through a referendum only we can do. UKIP | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
never turns up the European Parliament. Whatever their | :40:29. | :40:35. | |
complaints, they have no mechanism. It is a protest vote. They should be | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
looking to a party that will actually deliver a solution. Your | :40:40. | :40:45. | |
party has moved as far in Europe as it possibly can without pulling out. | :40:46. | :40:51. | |
All UKIP want to do is leave the EU, and you can't offer seeing you will | :40:52. | :40:54. | |
leave the EU, you have promised referendums before and not deliver | :40:55. | :41:02. | |
them. There will be a referendum in our general election manifesto, we | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
have tried to put a bill through the House of Commons which was vetoed by | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
Labour and the Liberal Democrats. Unfortunately we don't have a | :41:12. | :41:15. | |
majority in our own right, but David Cameron said last week if he is | :41:16. | :41:18. | |
Prime Minister there will be a referendum on the European Union. | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
Whatever UKIP say in protest, they cannot deliver that. If you want at | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
referendum on EU must vote Conservative. Angelika, it must be | :41:28. | :41:35. | |
depressing, you call yourselves the party of in, it is actually the | :41:36. | :41:42. | |
party of oat. As Martin was saying, UKIP is a party of protest and fear | :41:43. | :41:49. | |
and anger. It is a party that doesn't believe in staying in the | :41:50. | :41:54. | |
European Union. We are looking for answers to very complex issues, and | :41:55. | :41:58. | |
it is up to us as Liberal Democrats to make the case for more, located | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
answers, which is being constructively involved in the | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
European Parliament. Those arguments don't seem to be holding water with | :42:10. | :42:14. | |
people. People do believe that jobs through Europe are very important | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
for the north`east. 156,000 jobs in trade with the EU, a lot of people | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
are working here, in Sunderland, big companies have come out to say they | :42:27. | :42:32. | |
would reconsider investment. People do know what it is like when big | :42:33. | :42:42. | |
industry dies. You actually might end up sliding down fifth, sixth, in | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
these elections? What we're trying to achieve is say, look, we're the | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
only pro`European party, appealing to one third of the British | :42:54. | :42:58. | |
population that is pro`European. And we say, please do back the Liberal | :42:59. | :43:05. | |
Democrats in this election. Shirley Ford, what sense do you get | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
campaigning about why people might be turning to UKIP? `` to you? | :43:09. | :43:16. | |
Because people are very angry, both with the Conservative and Liberal | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
Democrat government, but they feel abandoned and disillusioned with the | :43:21. | :43:23. | |
Labour Party. They are looking for an alternative, and when we talk to | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
people, when they hear our policies, which offer a living wage for | :43:28. | :43:33. | |
stopping fracking and nuclear, which they might expect, but also for | :43:34. | :43:39. | |
bringing banks into public hands and ending, excuse me, ending Lope | :43:40. | :43:49. | |
culture. Those are things... There is a danger that you are just | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
getting a protest vote. It is a very dangerous place to be. But I think | :43:54. | :44:00. | |
people are fed up with the way that the Big three ignore real people. I | :44:01. | :44:06. | |
work in a primary school in South Shields, every day I can see and | :44:07. | :44:11. | |
hear people saying how angry and fed up and stressed out they are. People | :44:12. | :44:17. | |
really do want to change, we are offering hope, we are offering a | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
referendum, we agree on a referendum, to give people the | :44:22. | :44:27. | |
vote, but we say we want to vote to change the inside. Martin, the other | :44:28. | :44:35. | |
danger of this is that UKIP's vote, you could easily lose a few seats? | :44:36. | :44:42. | |
UKIP did very well in the elections then there are support plummeted in | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
the general election. When people feel that they have what they regard | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
as a serious decision to make in the general election, who was Prime | :44:51. | :44:55. | |
Minister? Is it David Cameron or Ed Miliband? That is the decision | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
people face. I am sure you will see people coming back to us to support | :45:01. | :45:03. | |
us. In the choice between David Cameron or Ed Miliband, I cannot | :45:04. | :45:10. | |
believe that anyone... Angelika, the danger also for you in Redcar and | :45:11. | :45:13. | |
Berwick, you could have no MPs in the north`east? Are candidates are | :45:14. | :45:23. | |
absolutely fantastic candidates. They do have great support on the | :45:24. | :45:32. | |
doorstep. Quite frankly, are polling suggests that we can hold onto both | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
of the seats and we will fight very hard to do this. I want to make this | :45:37. | :45:43. | |
point, it is essential to have a political alternative in the | :45:44. | :45:49. | |
north`east. There is no joy if the whole region is represented by | :45:50. | :45:52. | |
Labour, because political alternatives give people the | :45:53. | :45:58. | |
choice. We'll have to leave it there, you have made your point. | :45:59. | :46:01. | |
Well, it's not only UKIP putting forward an anti`EU message at these | :46:02. | :46:03. | |
elections. An Independence from Europe was set up by a former UKIP | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
member and is standing a full slate of candidates in the North East. | :46:08. | :46:10. | |
Candidate Sheridan Forbes outlined the platform her party is standing | :46:11. | :46:13. | |
on. The principles would be leaving the EU, taking back UK border | :46:14. | :46:19. | |
control, making sure we have more scrutiny on the borders, which would | :46:20. | :46:23. | |
take pressure off the National Health Service, schools, local | :46:24. | :46:28. | |
authorities, and places where, at the moment, we are feeling the pinch | :46:29. | :46:32. | |
because of posterity that Europe has put on us. | :46:33. | :46:35. | |
Meanwhile the English Democrats are also standing. Kevin Riddiough is | :46:36. | :46:38. | |
its lead candidate in the region. He says the North East wouldn't miss | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
out economically if we left the EU. There is no reason why trade | :46:43. | :46:45. | |
barriers should change from us leaving the European Union. The | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
European Union is purely a title. We have got a European free trade | :46:52. | :46:55. | |
agreement, no one needs to move their businesses, big businesses can | :46:56. | :46:58. | |
come back to us. It is as simple as that. The EU is a diktat, if you | :46:59. | :47:05. | |
like, making the rules, which is stifling trade if anything, rather | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
than opening a free`market economy. The BNP are also contesting the | :47:10. | :47:12. | |
elections and had the national launch of their campaign this week | :47:13. | :47:15. | |
with party leader Nick Griffin, who's also an MEP in the North West. | :47:16. | :47:18. | |
They say the main issue is immigration and have pledged to | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
withdraw from the EU. The party, however, have so far declined to | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
offer up one of their North East candidates for an interview. | :47:26. | :47:27. | |
Well, the last time European elections were fought in the North | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
East, back in 2009, almost four out of every ten votes did go to parties | :47:32. | :47:34. | |
other than Labour, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems. Shirley Ford, what | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
are your ambitions in the north`east elections? We are getting closer, if | :47:39. | :47:48. | |
you look at the poll ratings, we are overtaking in some polls, the Lib | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
Dems. It is very volatile with this PR system. If you look at the | :47:54. | :47:56. | |
Northwest, we are very, very close to winning that final seat they are | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
that Nick Griffin one last time around. The change of dynamics will | :48:01. | :48:04. | |
mean that we are seriously contending for the North West seat. | :48:05. | :48:08. | |
We are looking for a very strong results in the north`east. But if | :48:09. | :48:13. | |
people analyse your policies for the north`east, industries such as | :48:14. | :48:22. | |
steel, high carbon industries, people want to save their jobs and | :48:23. | :48:27. | |
won't want to vote Green? You need to invest in the right sort of jobs. | :48:28. | :48:34. | |
Are we paying for people who are in the wrong sorts of jobs, is that it? | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
Public investment is currently going into nuclear. Public money is going | :48:40. | :48:45. | |
into researching fracking and underground gas. That money needs to | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
be going into renewable energies that are safe, clean and green. That | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
would bring people's Energy Bill stone. Martin, parties that are | :48:56. | :49:05. | |
hostile to Europe, a reflection that Westminster parties have failed to | :49:06. | :49:10. | |
resolve the issue? In many respects, yes. That is why we are seeing `` | :49:11. | :49:19. | |
saying... You have been dragged down by these parties? Not necessarily. | :49:20. | :49:26. | |
There should be a referendum, party leadership has adopted that as a | :49:27. | :49:30. | |
policy, we're the only major party who can deliver a referendum. | :49:31. | :49:42. | |
Caroline Lucas says thank you. Would you help yourself that you promised | :49:43. | :49:49. | |
an in dash out referendum? We are with the Conservatives in | :49:50. | :49:57. | |
government. A deal on the table that we can actually decide upon needs to | :49:58. | :50:03. | |
happen, but at the moment there is nothing new coming out of Brussels. | :50:04. | :50:08. | |
A lot of people would say, as Martin said, it is a very different | :50:09. | :50:14. | |
organisation to the way it is now. If you said, look, we will offer you | :50:15. | :50:18. | |
a vote on this, what is wrong with that? We have said we would have a | :50:19. | :50:25. | |
referendum. When there is a big change and people can have the | :50:26. | :50:28. | |
choice then. We have legislated in government that there will be a | :50:29. | :50:35. | |
referendum as a treaty change. We will have to leave it there I'm | :50:36. | :50:36. | |
afraid. Well, if our interviews with the | :50:37. | :50:39. | |
Euro election candidates have left you frustrated, angry or just plain | :50:40. | :50:42. | |
bemused, there's something you can do about it. Why not come along to | :50:43. | :50:45. | |
Gateshead tomorrow lunchtime when there's an opportunity to put your | :50:46. | :50:48. | |
questions face`to`face to today's Conservative and Lib Dem guests, as | :50:49. | :50:51. | |
well as candidates from Labour and UKIP. I'll be there too keeping | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
order with our world famous "hot seat" or "chaises chaud" as they | :50:56. | :50:58. | |
might be known in the continent. You can find us in Trinity Square in the | :50:59. | :51:02. | |
middle of Gateshead tomorrow from 12 noon until 2pm. And if you can't | :51:03. | :51:06. | |
make it, we'll be showing the best of the questions, and the answers of | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
course, on Look North later in the week. | :51:11. | :51:12. | |
Now we've talked lots about the Euro elections. There's the locals too in | :51:13. | :51:15. | |
some areas. Then there's the small matter of the Scottish referendum in | :51:16. | :51:18. | |
September. But that's not enough for a small corner of Teesside which is | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
holding its own vote about whether to become part of North Yorkshire. | :51:23. | :51:25. | |
Here's Fergus Hewison with that and the rest of the week's news in 60 | :51:26. | :51:35. | |
seconds. One County Durham man has taken his | :51:36. | :51:39. | |
case for tougher gun controls the Westminster. His sister and mother | :51:40. | :51:45. | |
were shot dead, and he met the Shadow Secretary of State Cooper. `` | :51:46. | :51:54. | |
Yvette Cooper. South Shields MP has challenged David Cameron over | :51:55. | :52:00. | |
welfare cuts. My constituent's disability means he needs a | :52:01. | :52:03. | |
specially adapted bed and cannot share a room with his wife, yet | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
still we are hit by the bedroom tax. Can the premise to explain why this | :52:09. | :52:10. | |
government is punishing his disability? As the honourable lady | :52:11. | :52:17. | |
knows, we have discretionary housing payments are exactly the sort of | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
case, the money has been topped up, so there is no reason poor people | :52:22. | :52:25. | |
can be disadvantaged. Finally, people will get a vote, but the Paul | :52:26. | :52:32. | |
on May 27 will not be legally binding. | :52:33. | :52:39. | |
And that's about it from us. If you live in Cumbria and would like to | :52:40. | :52:42. | |
hear from the Europan election candidates standing in the North | :52:43. | :52:45. | |
West, then BBC Radio Cumbria is the place. They will be debating the | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
issues on Friday morning from 11. Meanwhile in the North East BBC | :52:50. | :52:52. | |
Newcastle will be talking to candidates from the main parties | :52:53. | :52:55. | |
each weekday morning, starting on Tuesday with UKIP. That's at 9am. | :52:56. | :53:00. | |
We're back same time, same place next Sunday with a look at the local | :53:01. | :53:04. | |
elections. Bet you're counting the minutes already. For | :53:05. | :53:05. | |
the website now. Now it is back to you, Andrew. | :53:06. | :53:17. | |
Welcome back, let's go straight to our panel. What did you make of Mr | :53:18. | :53:26. | |
Alexander's defence of the Labour party election broadcast? It is | :53:27. | :53:29. | |
difficult for them because they started by saying they were not | :53:30. | :53:33. | |
going to do negative campaigning and they have thrown that away for an | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
advert which is funny but crude in the class war sense. He didn't look | :53:39. | :53:46. | |
thrilled to be defending it. There is a page in Tony Blair's memoirs | :53:47. | :53:52. | |
talking about negative campaigning, and he says that anything too | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
extreme turns off the average voter so his line of attack on Hague was | :53:56. | :54:07. | |
funny jokes but... I think this failed the Blair test, it was too | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
vicious. If your strategy is to shore up your car vote, that advert | :54:13. | :54:19. | |
was genius. If your strategy is to reach out to a broader number of | :54:20. | :54:25. | |
voters, Middle Britain, then that advert was a complete disaster. It | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
looks like there is a lot of negativity and smears all round in | :54:30. | :54:33. | |
the next year. That definitely looks the way we are going. They will be | :54:34. | :54:52. | |
essentially trying to re-run by -- the American election. I am slightly | :54:53. | :55:03. | |
puzzled why we cannot have our own election gurus who live here and | :55:04. | :55:09. | |
understand the country. I should point out that the ?450 extra VAT | :55:10. | :55:15. | |
that was claimed in that Labour poster, both Ed Balls and the Labour | :55:16. | :55:21. | |
Treasury team have said that is ?450 per year. Nonsense the VAT rise, one | :55:22. | :55:27. | |
year. I should also point out that Nigel Farage said to Norman Smith, | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
the BBC is always reliable Norman Smith that if you run in Newark and | :55:32. | :55:38. | |
lost the bubble would burst. I should also point out that although | :55:39. | :55:43. | |
a number of the tax rises I mentioned on council tax, minimum | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
wage tax and some other things that UKIP wants to cuts, a couple of | :55:49. | :55:53. | |
these are in the local manifesto but several are not. They are on the | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
UKIP website, which is still current and dated 2014. We like to make sure | :56:00. | :56:06. | |
we are absolutely right. Let's talk about Nick Clegg and Michael Gove | :56:07. | :56:12. | |
and the latest spat. Let me show you this headline in the Observer this | :56:13. | :56:19. | |
morning. From both the Independent, he called him a zealot, lunatic is | :56:20. | :56:31. | |
of -- another word. Do we take this seriously? It hinges on this | :56:32. | :56:36. | |
question of what counts as an area of need in education. The Lib Dems | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
say an area of need is one where there are not enough school places | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
to meet local demand. He says it can also be a place where there are | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
surplus places but that is for a reason. Local places don't trust | :56:50. | :57:01. | |
those schools to do a good job for their kids. It surprises me because | :57:02. | :57:07. | |
there isn't a yawning distance between David Laws and Michael Gove. | :57:08. | :57:11. | |
David Laws has found himself between a rock and a hard place because I | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
asked -- as I understand it most Lib Dems don't like the free schools but | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
Mr laws was quite sympathetic to it and he is now having to this respect | :57:21. | :57:28. | |
it. When they asked people who are the most hated politicians in a poll | :57:29. | :57:31. | |
were this week, Michael Gove is off the charts, far above David Cameron | :57:32. | :57:47. | |
or George Osborne. This is tit-for-tat war. The Liberal | :57:48. | :57:50. | |
Democrats believe Michael Gove had a hand in leaking the document that | :57:51. | :57:55. | |
showed Nick Clegg was opposing the tougher Chris Grayling position on | :57:56. | :57:58. | |
knife crime. They are saying there were Cabinet ministers who never | :57:59. | :58:03. | |
usually attend the sub Cabinet meeting, they turned up and the | :58:04. | :58:08. | |
document is leaked so what we are getting is tit for tat on that. It | :58:09. | :58:12. | |
is inevitable but it is not good for either side of the Coalition. Voters | :58:13. | :58:17. | |
will look at it and say it is politics of the playground. I read | :58:18. | :58:22. | |
in the Mail on Sunday this morning that some Tory insiders are accusing | :58:23. | :58:33. | |
Lib Dems of spreading rumours about the camera in marriage. The | :58:34. | :58:37. | |
rebuttals of education story is that the free school meals is sucking | :58:38. | :58:51. | |
money away. I always thought they would work together without fuss and | :58:52. | :58:57. | |
yet it has been more the source of disagreement then I would have | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
expected a couple of years ago. Is it serious? It is serious obviously, | :59:03. | :59:07. | |
using that language, but is it fatal for the Coalition? I think it is a | :59:08. | :59:12. | |
road bump because I don't think anybody wants to dissolve the | :59:13. | :59:17. | |
Coalition. It is a challenge for Labour because where do they stand | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
on the free schools? They invented the Academy programme so it is | :59:22. | :59:25. | |
difficult for them to take a hands-off approach at this stage. | :59:26. | :59:28. | |
There was a danger for Michael Gove that he looks ideological but the | :59:29. | :59:32. | |
danger for the Liberal Democrats is that they are breaking the rules for | :59:33. | :59:35. | |
the Coalition they said that they wouldn't break which is that they | :59:36. | :59:39. | |
looked like opposition in government. Is Michael Gove's | :59:40. | :59:47. | |
position safe? Very safe. If he moves in a reshuffle that will be to | :59:48. | :59:55. | |
a a job. That's all for today. The Daily Politics will be back on BBC | :59:56. | :59:58. | |
Two at lunchtime from Tuesday onwards. I'll be back here on BBC | :59:59. | :00:01. | |
One at 11am next week. Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday | :00:02. | :00:02. | |
Politics. What if the person | :00:03. | :00:51. | |
that killed her... I found out she'd been taking drugs. | :00:52. | :00:52. | |
Just let me explain. You wasn't at that party all night. | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
Yeah, I was. What was she even doing there? | :00:57. | :00:59. | |
Oi, you keep your mouth shut. She was exchanging a significant | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
number of texts and calls with someone in the weeks | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
leading up to her death. It's like we didn't | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
really know her at all. | :01:08. | :01:10. |