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In the North West: Feeling blue? Can small businesses | :01:24. | :01:27. | |
here trust the tories to help? And the Prime Minister gives me his | :01:27. | :01:37. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2126 seconds | :01:37. | :37:03. | |
reaction as the West Coast mainline In the north-west, feeling blue? To | :37:03. | :37:08. | |
small businesses here trust the Tories for help? And the Prime | :37:08. | :37:12. | |
Minister says sorry as the West Coast Main Line contract the rails. | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
I am extremely angry about what has happened. I am very apologetic and | :37:16. | :37:26. | |
we must get to the bottom of exactly what happened. | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
The full interview with the Prime Minister coming up, but first let | :37:29. | :37:34. | |
me introduce this week on -- this week's guest. Estimate the is the | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
Conservative MP for Wirral West, and will many MPs lost their jobs | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
in the reshuffle, she was promoted to work and pensions minister. | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
No move for David Denver, still professor of politics at the | :37:47. | :37:54. | |
University of Lancaster.. Esther, in a previous job you were | :37:54. | :37:58. | |
involved in television. Where you impressed by the way Ed Miliband | :37:58. | :38:01. | |
came across at the Labour conference? That is going back, I | :38:01. | :38:08. | |
left television 15 years ago. To be fair, you see it. He did her speech | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
copying in David Cameron Colin Oates, speaking to the audience and | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
talking about his life. One thing that made me smile is that Red Egg | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
has taken on Disraeli, and Blair see is despising one nation, we | :38:22. | :38:28. | |
just worried democracy, make me smile. He did not use which could | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
have been an in-joke between him and his friends, talking about | :38:32. | :38:38. | |
Conservatives and the notion about one nation. He did not spend it on | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
his head about not being able to deliver. He cannot deliver that, | :38:42. | :38:46. | |
that is our philosophy and now he is backing up with that trade | :38:46. | :38:51. | |
unions. Weaselly words possible in the future. David, what is the | :38:51. | :38:54. | |
challenge for the Conservatives going into this conference? They | :38:54. | :38:59. | |
must shore up their core support. They seem to have spent up their | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
time thinking of ways really need their natural supporters as that | :39:02. | :39:07. | |
explains why they are in trouble in the opinion polls. They must get | :39:07. | :39:10. | |
those natural supporters back on side. | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
We will pack up on that in a moment. Let's look at the Conservatives | :39:14. | :39:17. | |
recent record in the north-west going into conference. | :39:17. | :39:20. | |
Two years ago at the General Election, the party more than | :39:20. | :39:25. | |
doubled its number of MPs, winning 21 of 72 seats. The Conservatives | :39:25. | :39:31. | |
share of the vote increased to 32%. Since then the party suffered heavy | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
losses in local elections losing around 140 councillors and control | :39:35. | :39:39. | |
of four councils. It was in Blackpool seven years ago that | :39:39. | :39:43. | |
David Cameron's speech won him the party leadership. Since then, | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
Conservative fortunes in the town have fluctuated, winning the | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
parliamentary seat but losing the council. Our correspondent has been | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
asking the town's businesses if the Government understands what | :39:54. | :40:04. | |
Blackpool need to flourish. We can change this party and change | :40:04. | :40:09. | |
this country. We are not frightened of debate, or | :40:09. | :40:17. | |
we do not mind having an argument. This is where David Cameron's | :40:17. | :40:22. | |
journey to Number Ten started, with that speech seven years ago. Since | :40:22. | :40:27. | |
then we have at rebranding and detoxification. But have the | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
Conservatives managed to shake off the nagging suspicion that actually, | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
they do not really get places like this and do not understand regions | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
like ours? This vitamins and supplement | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
manufacturer is the sort of business that Tories generally like | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
and understand. It is in good health, employs solidify people and | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
makes a profit. Using a flat at Government invention they want to | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
expand to bigger premises. We have been in touch with the Regional | :40:53. | :40:57. | |
Growth Fund, we appear to take all the right boxes for them. It has | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
not been as quick as he wanted, we want the money in the account | :41:01. | :41:05. | |
tomorrow. There seems to be a lot of form-filling to do, lots of | :41:05. | :41:11. | |
boxes to tick. But potential is to double our size in the next two or | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
three years. We could keep another 20 or 30 people in employment. | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
Ardley on your side? It is difficult -- difficult to tell. I | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
think they are on their own side. They are not the only people | :41:25. | :41:30. | |
looking for investment. conducted a survey, at over 70% of | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
those who took part said that they were struggling to get the finance | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
they need. Do you get the sense that people think that the | :41:36. | :41:41. | |
Government is applying a policy which perhaps she is Berkshire or | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
Kent but there is not tuned to the needs of Lancashire? Definitely. It | :41:45. | :41:51. | |
is a series of things that Latisha is most definitely crying out for. | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
-- that Lancashire is crying out for. | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
There were true blue rinses, if not necessarily true to -- True Blue | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
voters. The company which runs this attraction benefited from millions | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
in the now abolished north-west Treasury agency. If there was no | :42:07. | :42:10. | |
funding available, we would still have one attraction rather than | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
eight in the town. That is really critical. It would be very sad for | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
the town come not to have that choice. Where would Blackpool's | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
featured the? If you take a walk along Blackpool's promenade, it is | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
not difficult to see where a lot of that funding has been spent. | :42:28. | :42:32. | |
Although it looks very smart and glamourous, the Conservatives would | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
argue that the cash should be spent elsewhere. You have a nice new | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
promenade, but local people cannot use it any more because the traffic | :42:40. | :42:46. | |
is backed up. We have replaced the old local funding agency with local | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
enterprise partnerships across the country. The total size of the pot | :42:50. | :42:55. | |
of money is substantially reduced by more than 90%, so the ability of | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
the lead to step into the shoes of the me to develop a disease, BR or | :42:59. | :43:06. | |
hampered from birth. But they focus on their people and their voters. - | :43:06. | :43:12. | |
- Development Agency. I think that it would be wrong of | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
them and rather short sighted. We should try to work together. We | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
would see the fruits of economic growth. | :43:20. | :43:25. | |
Whether that economic tide turns in places like Blackpool will call a | :43:25. | :43:27. | |
long way to deciding the fate of many a politician, including | :43:27. | :43:36. | |
perhaps David Cameron himself. We are also joined from the | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
conference in Birmingham by the MP for Lancaster and Fleetwood, Ellie | :43:41. | :43:47. | |
Colin shock. Let me start with estimate they, the main thrust | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
seems to be that the Government is not doing enough to support Private | :43:50. | :43:56. | |
businesses. It is doing a lot and I think it will not happen overnight. | :43:56. | :44:03. | |
It has been two years now. Yes, but 13 years of decline. Competitive -- | :44:03. | :44:09. | |
we are back up to 8% in competitive and is globally. If you look at it | :44:09. | :44:13. | |
low ratings, they slumped right down in things like regulation, we | :44:13. | :44:17. | |
went from fourth to detect police and we're coming back up to 17th | :44:17. | :44:22. | |
place. We must put in place a plethora of things to get right. | :44:22. | :44:27. | |
This has already begun, in competitiveness we fell to 12, we | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
are back up to eight. We have done that in two years. We're putting in | :44:31. | :44:36. | |
a lot of the infrastructure. I come from the construction industry, | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
that has been hardest hit, that is a tough time for many businesses. | :44:40. | :44:44. | |
It is a mixed picture. If you look at the motoring industry and | :44:44. | :44:47. | |
manufacturing and some finances, if you look at other things they are | :44:47. | :44:52. | |
successful. Other things are not in this tough time. Let me bring in | :44:52. | :44:57. | |
every. We are also doing well in things like Unilever and | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
Engineering. They are doing well in places like Wirral. Eric, are you | :45:02. | :45:04. | |
happy with the progress the Government has made on this, or | :45:04. | :45:11. | |
would you like them to be seen to be doing more Yeovil than everybody | :45:11. | :45:16. | |
would like more things to happen. That it thing for us is that we're | :45:16. | :45:17. | |
getting the Infrastructure Investment that we have been | :45:17. | :45:21. | |
waiting on for years. Blackpool in particular will get the letter | :45:21. | :45:25. | |
vocation of the what rail line to Preston, and that will be a large | :45:25. | :45:30. | |
bin for business. -- electrification for the rail line. | :45:30. | :45:34. | |
These kinds of infrastructure improvements, I think, long-term, | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
will help businesses start moving. One example that you have raised | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
yourself is that you have asked about energy policy, and what is | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
the overarching strategy from the Government on that for example. It | :45:46. | :45:52. | |
sounds like you feel things should be different. What I was trying to | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
say there is that Lancashire, at the moment, we have massive | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
potential in terms of energy. Whether it is gas or storage all | :46:00. | :46:10. | |
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went far as it can see, -- or storage or wind farms out at sea. | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
David, get up on this? Regional policy for a long time has been | :46:17. | :46:21. | |
highly controversial. Do you keep the development agency? Some people | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
say it is a colossal waste of money, some people say it does good stuff. | :46:25. | :46:31. | |
The answer is no doubt somewhere in the middle. It is the same year, | :46:31. | :46:36. | |
you gave us many statistics which I am afraid we just -- which do not | :46:36. | :46:41. | |
cut very much ice with people. Torquay, let's put it like this. We | :46:41. | :46:46. | |
were declining from a 97 right the way through from 13 years. We fell | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
in many of those tables, and what we must do his claim it back up. We | :46:51. | :46:54. | |
have started to climb back up. I will not see for one minute that it | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
is easy for businesses. As someone who runs a business, it is tough | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
times. I would also say that it is asked fixed -- a mixed picture. If | :47:04. | :47:10. | |
you are in export or Engineering, that has improved recently. It is a | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
fractured picture. What to the Conservatives need to do, David, to | :47:14. | :47:19. | |
pick this up? To tell the truth, and regional | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
policy is at kind of small area, in people's perceptions of what is | :47:23. | :47:30. | |
going on. I mean more generally. Not for me, I and tampering -- | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
championing it. What they must do is get the economy as a whole going. | :47:34. | :47:39. | |
To get the deficit cut at to get things moving. And if they do that | :47:39. | :47:43. | |
things will come good? Things will improve, but I still think they | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
have serious problems with core supporters. Look at the support for | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
the United Kingdom Independence Party. This is very unusual so far | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
from i European election. That is where a lot of would be natural | :47:56. | :48:01. | |
Conservatives are going. If you look at the economy, it is | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
improving. I want to bring Eric back in. Are you worried that your | :48:06. | :48:12. | |
core support could be drifting to the right? Not really, I know that | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
there is some unease in the ranks, but at this stage with this kind of | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
world recession, what would you expect? The professor may remember, | :48:20. | :48:26. | |
years back, it was not new cap, it was the SDP. There is always | :48:26. | :48:31. | |
someone with protest to worry about. The main Love Me Do talk -- my | :48:31. | :48:36. | |
supporters are worrying about is getting the economy fixed. | :48:36. | :48:41. | |
How does the Prime Minister c'est? I spoke to David Cameron in Downing | :48:41. | :48:47. | |
Street. -- see this? Mr Cameron, there is a feeling | :48:47. | :48:51. | |
amongst many people, including some on the right, that the Conservative | :48:51. | :48:54. | |
Party is becoming out of touch with the north-west of England. Is there | :48:54. | :48:58. | |
room for improvement always. We are in Government at a very difficult | :48:58. | :49:02. | |
time for our country. We have had to take a series of tough and | :49:02. | :49:07. | |
unpopular decisions to get the deficit down. We got it down by a | :49:07. | :49:11. | |
quarter in two years, that is good progress. We have one million new | :49:11. | :49:14. | |
Private sector jobs in the economy but there is always room for | :49:14. | :49:19. | |
improvement. How many of you ministers do you think are north- | :49:19. | :49:25. | |
west MPs? I do not have an exact count, but the second most | :49:25. | :49:30. | |
powerful... It is just three. second most powerful person in the | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
Government sets for an north-west seat. The Treasury is involved in | :49:34. | :49:38. | |
every single session the Government takes. He sits at the heart of | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
Cabinet. If you look at the funding decisions that have been taken in | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
infrastructure, railways, road improvements, enterprise zones, he | :49:47. | :49:51. | |
can see his influence and you can see the stamp of the north-west. | :49:51. | :49:56. | |
Whether it is messy crossing or science parks, support for science, | :49:56. | :50:01. | |
you can see the stamp of his influence all four this Government. | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
There has certainly been in destruction Investment, but you can | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
also look at the huge cuts to local Government: you can look at the | :50:08. | :50:14. | |
Dick cuts to public sector employment, the fact that there has | :50:14. | :50:17. | |
been a lack of support for the Private sector that was supposed to | :50:17. | :50:23. | |
be filling the gap. -- you can look at the BT cuts. My Asian wide we | :50:23. | :50:29. | |
have seen a million new Private sector jobs, there has been more | :50:29. | :50:34. | |
jobs in the Private sector. -- nationwide we have seen a million | :50:34. | :50:39. | |
new Private sector jobs. Everything that does this | :50:39. | :50:41. | |
organisations and small business organisations are asking for, we | :50:41. | :50:46. | |
are doing. They said please cut corporation tax, we are doing that. | :50:46. | :50:50. | |
They said build the infrastructure, we're doing that. This is kick- | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
start the housing market, we are doing that. They said reform the | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
planning system, he had taken the planning guidelines from 1,000 | :50:58. | :51:05. | |
pages to 52. This is all to create jobs in the Private sector. Cuts | :51:05. | :51:09. | |
are one thing, incompetence is something else. There are serious | :51:09. | :51:13. | |
questions, as you know, over what happened with the West Coast main | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
line. Have you spoken to the former Transport Secretary about this? | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
an extremely angry about what has happened in very apologetic that it | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
has happened. We must get to the bottom of exactly what has happened. | :51:25. | :51:30. | |
I asked the Cabinet Secretary before this happen to look again, | :51:30. | :51:34. | |
but we did not pick up on this technical fault in the way that the | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
franchise operation was run and we now need a proper inquiry which | :51:37. | :51:42. | |
will be held, and people will be held to account. Well that include | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
the political role of ministers? Yes, it will include everything. | :51:45. | :51:50. | |
From what I have seen so far, there were technical errors made in the | :51:50. | :51:53. | |
department about how the figures were compiled. This review will | :51:53. | :51:57. | |
look at exactly who was responsible and they must be held accountable. | :51:57. | :52:01. | |
Have you spoken to Justine Greening? I have not spoken to her | :52:01. | :52:05. | |
since she left the department, but like this is, I was, as you would | :52:05. | :52:09. | |
expect, contacted by all of the people involved in this, including | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
Richard Branson, and they think it was then important to make sure | :52:12. | :52:16. | |
that decisions were properly made. I asked the Cabinet Secretary, a | :52:16. | :52:22. | |
senior civil servant, to take on the decisions that were made. I | :52:22. | :52:25. | |
think that we did everything we could to check that the decision | :52:25. | :52:28. | |
was properly made, but we did not become a clear technical faults and | :52:28. | :52:31. | |
we must get to the bottom of how that happened. | :52:31. | :52:35. | |
Thank you very much. In case you were wondering, Mr | :52:35. | :52:40. | |
Cannon went to Birmingham by car. That Super Saver advanced tickets | :52:40. | :52:46. | |
straight in the end. David, how much to issues like | :52:46. | :52:48. | |
competence and what happened with Virgin Rail, how much does that | :52:48. | :52:55. | |
matter? Competence is definitely a very important matter. Whereas | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
floaters used to rely on tradition and their family and all that, they | :52:59. | :53:03. | |
now want to be jetting parties and judging governments and judging | :53:03. | :53:10. | |
opposition. And in particular, leaders. It is that evaluation of | :53:10. | :53:16. | |
competence which will, in the end, decide the next election. The | :53:16. | :53:22. | |
Tories so far have not really shone. What is going wrong? I think you | :53:22. | :53:27. | |
are right, competent these key. We must prove that. We also have been | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
totally different times and never before had you seen so many people | :53:30. | :53:33. | |
taking judicial reviews, so many people seeking changes in | :53:34. | :53:40. | |
Government policy, looking at variations. This would not have | :53:40. | :53:44. | |
been needed if it had not been a flawed process. He must say, what | :53:44. | :53:48. | |
do we need to do? Trust me, get 10 wires in a room that you will get | :53:48. | :53:54. | |
10 different answers. So you are not embarrassed? Hang on, what I'm | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
saying, I know now that I must look at things and say, how many of us | :53:58. | :54:01. | |
are certain that this will stand the test of time? How many people | :54:01. | :54:07. | |
could question that? Is it just THAT someone with a lawyer who can | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
pay more money could change its decision? We must look at this, | :54:11. | :54:19. | |
never before has this been the case. Are you embarrassed about what has | :54:19. | :54:24. | |
happened? This is something that David Cameron has answered very | :54:24. | :54:29. | |
clearly. We must take this on the chin. | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
Berwick, do you think that the party is a tune at the moment with | :54:32. | :54:38. | |
what voters want? I think the new MPs have been | :54:38. | :54:43. | |
elected, the lot of us, no one third of us in the north-west or | :54:43. | :54:48. | |
Conservative MPs and we are speaking to the electorate. We | :54:48. | :54:52. | |
speak to them every weekend and talk to them as surgeries. We have | :54:52. | :54:54. | |
that land line now and that strengthen the north-west that we | :54:54. | :54:59. | |
did not have before in 1997 when there were hardly any North and MPs | :54:59. | :55:03. | |
in the party. A as a pitch to David Cameron, there are only three | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
north-west MPs or ministers. From someone like you be a minister? | :55:08. | :55:13. | |
That is not up to me, it is not up to me at all. There are people who | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
lived and grew up in the north-west to are in the cupboard. Justine | :55:17. | :55:24. | |
cleaning comes from Sheffield. There are many people there. Many | :55:24. | :55:26. | |
people have graduated from Lancaster University, perhaps not | :55:26. | :55:30. | |
with what I have but they know about the north-west as well. | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
Professor Denver, is there a difference between her and he | :55:34. | :55:39. | |
appealed to voters in the north- west to the south-east? No, not at | :55:39. | :55:45. | |
all. It is the same everywhere. People have the same concerns were | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
that they love, people are much the same everywhere. We have this image | :55:50. | :55:55. | |
of the South, everyone all toffs, and everyone in the North are rough | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
cut. It is not like that. People are the same. It is the quality of | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
the leaders and the competence of the Government. I do think it does | :56:04. | :56:07. | |
help if you live within your community, if you know the values, | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
if you have ran a this is their like I have done. It is my home | :56:11. | :56:15. | |
town, I deliberately went back to fight a seat on Merseyside, I could | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
have gone for a safer Sutton seat but I did not. At once to represent | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
what I would class as my family, friends and my area, and I feel | :56:23. | :56:29. | |
completely in tune with it. -- Maxi for southern seat. | :56:29. | :56:34. | |
One of Labour's key attacks has been that the Conservatives are | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
sudden and they bet too posh and not in touch. One of your | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
colleagues, Nadine Dorries, has gone even further with that attack. | :56:42. | :56:47. | |
Any truth to it? As we know, many of the Conservative MPs are based | :56:47. | :56:50. | |
in the south. The totally represent those people. What we must make | :56:50. | :56:55. | |
sure we do is get more Conservative MPs in the north-west, from the | :56:55. | :56:59. | |
north-west, we did that in the 2010 election and we must fight harder | :56:59. | :57:02. | |
and two more. We must make sure that we stand for the people that | :57:02. | :57:08. | |
we represent, we do have to be appealing to the concerns of | :57:08. | :57:13. | |
everyone, which are the same across the country. There is a greater | :57:13. | :57:15. | |
public sector pay seen the north- westerly must get in touch with | :57:15. | :57:18. | |
those people. Eric, thank you very much indeed | :57:18. | :57:22. | |
for your time. Here is the rest of the week's | :57:22. | :57:29. | |
political news. The head of children services and | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
Rochdale council resigned one week after a damning report into the | :57:32. | :57:36. | |
care of victims of the towns of child sex grooming scandal. The | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
authority said Steve Garber is leaving of his own accord. | :57:39. | :57:44. | |
Sir Norman Bettison is to retire from the police. He worked in the | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
Yorkshire force at the time of Hillsborough. | :57:47. | :57:50. | |
Blackburn MP Jack Straw apologised to the families of the victims for | :57:50. | :57:54. | |
not doing more when he was Home Secretary. It is a matter of great | :57:54. | :58:00. | |
regret to me at, of course I'm sorry. | :58:00. | :58:04. | |
Ricky Tomlinson renewed calls to overturn a conviction for his role | :58:04. | :58:07. | |
in the building workers' strike of the 1970s. | :58:07. | :58:12. | |
The party conference machine may have left Manchester, but one woman | :58:12. | :58:18. | |
was not going quietly. A few played a brilliant speech. | :58:18. | :58:22. | |
Blackpool Tower is set to be one of the first venues in the country to | :58:22. | :58:26. | |
take part in new Home Office rules on weddings, so you can tie the | :58:26. | :58:35. | |
knot any time, day or night. So, David, we have had the first | :58:35. | :58:39. | |
two conferences, we are coming into the search now, already started. | :58:39. | :58:43. | |
Where are we left in terms of British policy? | :58:43. | :58:48. | |
Pretty much the same as before. Despite the Ed Miliband thing, the | :58:48. | :58:52. | |
publicity about his so-called wonderful speech, that will prove | :58:52. | :58:54. | |
taken temporary blip and will go away and this week the | :58:54. | :59:01. | |
Conservatives will get another blip and able medical up a little bit. | :59:01. | :59:04. | |
They are too choreographed, it is all onwards and forwards and | :59:04. | :59:07. | |
upwards to a better tomorrow. you will be off to Birmingham | :59:07. | :59:11. | |
looking for that better tomorrow? Yes, and obviously I think what he | :59:11. | :59:16. | |
must say quite clearly, what have we done? We have helped take 25 | :59:16. | :59:20. | |
million people at a tax, taking 1.1 million completely it attacks, we | :59:20. | :59:24. | |
have put in place and the structure, but look at what we're doing with | :59:24. | :59:27. | |
welfare and education, and that has for us to make their case and say, | :59:27. | :59:34. | |
we are ser. Is a anyone listening? We are must make sure they do, it | :59:34. | :59:37. | |
is not the listener's fault, we must make sure it has lost the ball. | :59:37. | :59:41. | |
We must do our part. We must get it right and make sure we are | :59:41. | :59:45. | |
listening to the public. It is that to be process. | :59:45. | :59:49. |