03/03/2013 Sunday Politics Northern Ireland


03/03/2013

Mark Carruthers looks at the political developments of the week and questions policy makers on the key issues.


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And on Sunday Politics in Northern And on Sunday Politics in Northern

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And on Sunday Politics in Northern Ireland: The choice between a shared

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Ireland: The choice between a shared Ireland: The choice between a shared

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Ireland: The choice between a shared future and a scared future - the

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future and a scared future - the future and a scared future - the

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Alliance Party's Naomi Long explains Alliance Party's Naomi Long explains

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Alliance Party's Naomi Long explains why she's not interested in the

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why she's not interested in the politics of fear.

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politics of fear. politics of fear.

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2194 seconds

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Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland.

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Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland.

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The Alliance Party has been in the The Alliance Party has been in the

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The Alliance Party has been in the The Alliance Party has been in the

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eye of the storm since that vote in eye of the storm since that vote in

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eye of the storm since that vote in Belfast City Council to fly the

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Belfast City Council to fly the Belfast City Council to fly the

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union flag only on designated days. union flag only on designated days.

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union flag only on designated days. As the party faithful gathered for

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As the party faithful gathered for As the party faithful gathered for

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its annual conference, it pledged its annual conference, it pledged

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its annual conference, it pledged the violence in recent months would

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the violence in recent months would the violence in recent months would

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the violence in recent months would not put it off its bind -- stride.

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not put it off its bind -- stride. not put it off its bind -- stride.

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In Belfast there was a deliberate In Belfast there was a deliberate

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In Belfast there was a deliberate In Belfast there was a deliberate

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campaign to generate fear is a long campaign to generate fear is a long

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campaign to generate fear is a long loss of identity among those who

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loss of identity among those who perceive themselves as having

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perceive themselves as having perceive themselves as having

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perceive themselves as having nothing left to give, and to go

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nothing left to give, and to go nothing left to give, and to go

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after the Alliance Party and its after the Alliance Party and its

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representatives. The party's deputy representatives. The party's deputy

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representatives. The party's deputy representatives. The party's deputy

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leader Naomi Long is my guest today. leader Naomi Long is my guest today.

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leader Naomi Long is my guest today. leader Naomi Long is my guest today.

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And with her views on that story, I And with her views on that story, I

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And with her views on that story, I am also joined by Kate Marshall,

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am also joined by Kate Marshall, am also joined by Kate Marshall,

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am also joined by Kate Marshall, chair of group Marshall -- Women In

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chair of group Marshall -- Women In chair of group Marshall -- Women In

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Business, and Noel Doran of the Irish News.

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Irish News. Irish News.

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Its members have faced death Its members have faced death

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Its members have faced death threats, homes have been attacked,

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threats, homes have been attacked, and elected members constituency

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and elected members constituency and elected members constituency

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offices have been burnt out. The offices have been burnt out. The

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offices have been burnt out. The protests that have taken place at

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protests that have taken place at protests that have taken place at

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Belfast City Hall dominated the Belfast City Hall dominated the

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Alliance Party's conference. Alliance Party's conference.

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Alliance Party's conference. Security was discreet, but still a

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Security was discreet, but still a Security was discreet, but still a

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Security was discreet, but still a lot tighter than you usually find at

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lot tighter than you usually find at lot tighter than you usually find at

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an Alliance Party conference. We an Alliance Party conference. We

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an Alliance Party conference. We wondered if the flag protesters

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wondered if the flag protesters wondered if the flag protesters

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wondered if the flag protesters would turn up. But no, this was the

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would turn up. But no, this was the would turn up. But no, this was the

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angriest face on view. However, angriest face on view. However,

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angriest face on view. However, reminders of the past three

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reminders of the past three reminders of the past three

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traumatic months were not hard to traumatic months were not hard to

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traumatic months were not hard to find, like this well fast councillor

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find, like this well fast councillor find, like this well fast councillor

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find, like this well fast councillor forced from her home by threats.

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forced from her home by threats. forced from her home by threats.

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my family friends, it was very my family friends, it was very

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my family friends, it was very my family friends, it was very

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trying. It was difficult for them to trying. It was difficult for them to

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trying. It was difficult for them to trying. It was difficult for them to

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have read about it in the papers. I have read about it in the papers. I

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have read about it in the papers. I have read about it in the papers. I

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had no illusions as to what I was had no illusions as to what I was

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had no illusions as to what I was letting myself in for. We were

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letting myself in for. We were letting myself in for. We were

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always betrayed as sitting on the always betrayed as sitting on the

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always betrayed as sitting on the always betrayed as sitting on the

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always betrayed as sitting on the fence, but it is far from it. -- it

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fence, but it is far from it. -- it fence, but it is far from it. -- it

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fence, but it is far from it. -- it is far from easy doing that.

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is far from easy doing that. is far from easy doing that.

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Alliance Party has come through one Alliance Party has come through one

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Alliance Party has come through one Alliance Party has come through one

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of the most difficult periods in its of the most difficult periods in its

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of the most difficult periods in its history. The feeling today was that

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history. The feeling today was that history. The feeling today was that

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it is beginning to weather the it is beginning to weather the

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it is beginning to weather the spawn. This former Alliance Party

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spawn. This former Alliance Party spawn. This former Alliance Party

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leader says controversy is nothing leader says controversy is nothing

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leader says controversy is nothing leader says controversy is nothing

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new for the party. I was in the new for the party. I was in the

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new for the party. I was in the new for the party. I was in the

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party for 20 years, and it was a party for 20 years, and it was a

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regular feature of political regular feature of political

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regular feature of political comment, that when the Alliance

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comment, that when the Alliance comment, that when the Alliance

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adopted a strong stance on an adopted a strong stance on an

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issue, everybody predicted its issue, everybody predicted its

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issue, everybody predicted its immediate death. That has not

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immediate death. That has not happened. People respected the

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happened. People respected the happened. People respected the

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stance that the Alliance Party took stance that the Alliance Party took

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stance that the Alliance Party took stance that the Alliance Party took

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in crises. And they are still here. in crises. And they are still here.

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in crises. And they are still here. in crises. And they are still here.

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It was in this room that the DUP It was in this room that the DUP

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It was in this room that the DUP held its conference just before the

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held its conference just before the held its conference just before the

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flag controversy began. For that flag controversy began. For that

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flag controversy began. For that party, and the Ulster Unionist, they

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party, and the Ulster Unionist, they party, and the Ulster Unionist, they

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were partly blamed for what had were partly blamed for what had

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were partly blamed for what had happened. There is only one

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happened. There is only one happened. There is only one

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conclusion. In Belfast, there was a conclusion. In Belfast, there was a

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deliberate, premeditated campaign to deliberate, premeditated campaign to

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deliberate, premeditated campaign to whip up tensions, to generate fears

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whip up tensions, to generate fears whip up tensions, to generate fears

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among loss of identity among those among loss of identity among those

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among loss of identity among those who perceive themselves as having

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who perceive themselves as having who perceive themselves as having

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who perceive themselves as having nothing left to give, and to go

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nothing left to give, and to go nothing left to give, and to go

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after the Alliance Party and its after the Alliance Party and its

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elected representatives, and elected representatives, and

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elected representatives, and especially to go after Naomi Long,

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especially to go after Naomi Long, especially to go after Naomi Long,

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who wasn't involved in the debate, who wasn't involved in the debate,

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who wasn't involved in the debate, who wasn't involved in the debate,

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just to win votes. All of this has just to win votes. All of this has

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just to win votes. All of this has been about winning votes in East

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been about winning votes in East been about winning votes in East

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Belfast. And what of Naomi Long Belfast. And what of Naomi Long

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Belfast. And what of Naomi Long herself? The word is probably

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herself? The word is probably herself? The word is probably

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defiant. Our choice is between a defiant. Our choice is between a

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defiant. Our choice is between a defiant. Our choice is between a

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shared future and a scared future. I shared future and a scared future. I

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shared future and a scared future. I shared future and a scared future. I

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for one am not interested in the for one am not interested in the

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for one am not interested in the politics of fear. Alliance has not

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politics of fear. Alliance has not politics of fear. Alliance has not

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politics of fear. Alliance has not and will never indulge in that kind

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and will never indulge in that kind and will never indulge in that kind

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of politics. There was a surprise of politics. There was a surprise

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appearance by the parades appearance by the parades

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appearance by the parades commission, the first time it has

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commission, the first time it has commission, the first time it has

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taken a stand at the party taken a stand at the party

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taken a stand at the party conference. Alliance have been very

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conference. Alliance have been very conference. Alliance have been very

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supportive of the commission, yes, supportive of the commission, yes,

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supportive of the commission, yes, supportive of the commission, yes,

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but there are lots of other people but there are lots of other people

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but there are lots of other people here it is worth having a

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here it is worth having a here it is worth having a

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conversation with. Will you go to conversation with. Will you go to

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conversation with. Will you go to other party conferences? Yes, but we

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other party conferences? Yes, but we other party conferences? Yes, but we

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other party conferences? Yes, but we cannot go to them all in one year.

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cannot go to them all in one year. cannot go to them all in one year.

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cannot go to them all in one year. David Ford says this period has been

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David Ford says this period has been David Ford says this period has been

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David Ford says this period has been tough for the party. He says they

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tough for the party. He says they tough for the party. He says they

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tough for the party. He says they have come through the fire, if at

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have come through the fire, if at have come through the fire, if at

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times a bit too literally. times a bit too literally.

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times a bit too literally. times a bit too literally.

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The time for excuses and lay on the The time for excuses and lay on the

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The time for excuses and lay on the shared future strategy is over. The

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shared future strategy is over. The shared future strategy is over. The

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shared future strategy is over. The time for delivery is now. The words

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time for delivery is now. The words time for delivery is now. The words

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of the Alliance deputy leader Naomi of the Alliance deputy leader Naomi

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of the Alliance deputy leader Naomi of the Alliance deputy leader Naomi

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Long, in her speech to the party Long, in her speech to the party

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Long, in her speech to the party conference yesterday. She is with me

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conference yesterday. She is with me conference yesterday. She is with me

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conference yesterday. She is with me now. How frustrating is it for you

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now. How frustrating is it for you now. How frustrating is it for you

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now. How frustrating is it for you that almost 15 years on from the

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that almost 15 years on from the that almost 15 years on from the

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signing of the Belfast Agreement, signing of the Belfast Agreement,

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signing of the Belfast Agreement, signing of the Belfast Agreement,

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and agreed shared future is still on and agreed shared future is still on

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and agreed shared future is still on and agreed shared future is still on

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everyone's to-do list? It is not on everyone's to-do list? It is not on

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everyone's to-do list? It is not on everyone's to-do list? It is not on

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our to-do list, and that was one of our to-do list, and that was one of

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our to-do list, and that was one of the points we were making yesterday

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the points we were making yesterday the points we were making yesterday

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at the conference. We were talking at the conference. We were talking

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at the conference. We were talking about our document for everyone,

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about our document for everyone, about our document for everyone,

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about our document for everyone, which sets out where we see an

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which sets out where we see an which sets out where we see an

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Executive blueprint can be, and Executive blueprint can be, and

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Executive blueprint can be, and Executive blueprint can be, and

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where we think we can bridge the gap where we think we can bridge the gap

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where we think we can bridge the gap where we think we can bridge the gap

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between where we are now and where between where we are now and where

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between where we are now and where between where we are now and where

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we want to be. We are already making we want to be. We are already making

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we want to be. We are already making progress, and we are challenging for

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progress, and we are challenging for progress, and we are challenging for

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the other parties of the Executive the other parties of the Executive

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the other parties of the Executive the other parties of the Executive

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to step up and make this happen. 15 to step up and make this happen. 15

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to step up and make this happen. 15 to step up and make this happen. 15

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years on is a long time of wasted years on is a long time of wasted

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opportunity. The shared future opportunity. The shared future

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opportunity. The shared future strategy was working. It was

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strategy was working. It was strategy was working. It was

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starting to deliver results. It was starting to deliver results. It was

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starting to deliver results. It was starting to deliver results. It was

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binned by Sinn Fein and the DUP. binned by Sinn Fein and the DUP.

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binned by Sinn Fein and the DUP. annoying thing for the Alliance

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annoying thing for the Alliance annoying thing for the Alliance

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annoying thing for the Alliance Party is that you are not in the

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Party is that you are not in the Party is that you are not in the

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Party is that you are not in the driving seat. It is Sinn Fein and

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driving seat. It is Sinn Fein and driving seat. It is Sinn Fein and

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driving seat. It is Sinn Fein and DUP who are setting the pace.

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DUP who are setting the pace. DUP who are setting the pace.

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DUP who are setting the pace. are setting the pace in terms of

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are setting the pace in terms of are setting the pace in terms of

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when the document is published, but when the document is published, but

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when the document is published, but we have control into departments. We

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we have control into departments. We we have control into departments. We

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we have control into departments. We set out what we could do within the

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set out what we could do within the set out what we could do within the

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Department of Justice around things Department of Justice around things

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Department of Justice around things like community safety. And mobility

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like community safety. And mobility like community safety. And mobility

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to work, and people to access to work, and people to access

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to work, and people to access employment. That is an issue for

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employment. That is an issue for employment. That is an issue for

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shared future. Chris Little, your shared future. Chris Little, your

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representative on the steering representative on the steering

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representative on the steering representative on the steering

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group, turned his back on it and group, turned his back on it and

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group, turned his back on it and walked away. So they are challenging

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walked away. So they are challenging walked away. So they are challenging

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your party's commitment to movement your party's commitment to movement

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your party's commitment to movement on this. That is a ridiculous

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on this. That is a ridiculous on this. That is a ridiculous

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comment. To suggest we lack comment. To suggest we lack

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comment. To suggest we lack commitment is ridiculous. What we

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commitment is ridiculous. What we commitment is ridiculous. What we

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have problems with, and why we have problems with, and why we

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have problems with, and why we didn't continue to participate in,

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didn't continue to participate in, didn't continue to participate in,

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didn't continue to participate in, was the fact that the process behind

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was the fact that the process behind was the fact that the process behind

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closed doors was not making any closed doors was not making any

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closed doors was not making any progress on the issues that matter.

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progress on the issues that matter. progress on the issues that matter.

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We have seen the issues around We have seen the issues around

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identity and culture, around identity and culture, around

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identity and culture, around parading, around how to deal with

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parading, around how to deal with parading, around how to deal with

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the pass and its legacy. Those the pass and its legacy. Those

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the pass and its legacy. Those issues were being sidestepped in the

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issues were being sidestepped in the issues were being sidestepped in the

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steering group. We are about real, steering group. We are about real,

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steering group. We are about real, substantive progress for the people

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substantive progress for the people substantive progress for the people

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of Northern Ireland. When you speak of Northern Ireland. When you speak

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of Northern Ireland. When you speak to those other parties, particularly

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to those other parties, particularly to those other parties, particularly

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to those other parties, particularly Sinn Fein and the DUP, they say that

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Sinn Fein and the DUP, they say that Sinn Fein and the DUP, they say that

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Sinn Fein and the DUP, they say that you talk the talk but you don't walk

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you talk the talk but you don't walk you talk the talk but you don't walk

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you talk the talk but you don't walk the walk. You did turn your back on

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the walk. You did turn your back on the walk. You did turn your back on

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the walk. You did turn your back on the steering group. They say you are

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the steering group. They say you are the steering group. They say you are

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the steering group. They say you are trying to slow down the process by

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trying to slow down the process by trying to slow down the process by

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broadening it out into this notion broadening it out into this notion

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broadening it out into this notion of a partnership with civic society.

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of a partnership with civic society. of a partnership with civic society.

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If you were serious about progress If you were serious about progress

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If you were serious about progress If you were serious about progress

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on this, you would be in the on this, you would be in the

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on this, you would be in the steering group, not trying to bring

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steering group, not trying to bring steering group, not trying to bring

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on more groups and organisations. on more groups and organisations.

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on more groups and organisations. were in the steering group. Our

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were in the steering group. Our were in the steering group. Our

:45:25.:45:30.

position in the steering group was position in the steering group was

:45:30.:45:32.

misrepresentative -- misrepresented. misrepresentative -- misrepresented.

:45:32.:45:34.

misrepresentative -- misrepresented. misrepresentative -- misrepresented.

:45:34.:45:35.

The party was not tackling the key The party was not tackling the key

:45:35.:45:37.

The party was not tackling the key The party was not tackling the key

:45:37.:45:38.

issues. To say that this live with issues. To say that this live with

:45:38.:45:39.

issues. To say that this live with political parties is a nonsense. If

:45:39.:45:41.

political parties is a nonsense. If political parties is a nonsense. If

:45:41.:45:42.

political parties is a nonsense. If we want a shared future, it has to

:45:42.:45:46.

we want a shared future, it has to we want a shared future, it has to

:45:46.:45:46.

engage civic society. As the leader engage civic society. As the leader

:45:46.:45:48.

engage civic society. As the leader in the Department of Justice, the

:45:48.:45:51.

in the Department of Justice, the in the Department of Justice, the

:45:51.:45:52.

in the Department of Justice, the leader is able to give director ship

:45:52.:45:53.

leader is able to give director ship leader is able to give director ship

:45:53.:45:54.

leader is able to give director ship and support, but that has to come

:45:54.:45:55.

and support, but that has to come and support, but that has to come

:45:55.:45:56.

and support, but that has to come from the local community. It has to

:45:56.:45:57.

from the local community. It has to from the local community. It has to

:45:57.:45:58.

from the local community. It has to be something that is working on the

:45:58.:45:59.

be something that is working on the be something that is working on the

:45:59.:46:00.

be something that is working on the ground. We have set out a plan of

:46:00.:46:02.

ground. We have set out a plan of ground. We have set out a plan of

:46:02.:46:04.

ground. We have set out a plan of how we get from where we are now,

:46:04.:46:05.

how we get from where we are now, how we get from where we are now,

:46:05.:46:06.

how we get from where we are now, without any kind of policy for the

:46:06.:46:07.

without any kind of policy for the without any kind of policy for the

:46:07.:46:08.

without any kind of policy for the Executive, to where we could be to

:46:08.:46:09.

Executive, to where we could be to Executive, to where we could be to

:46:09.:46:11.

where we have that policy and where we have that policy and

:46:11.:46:12.

where we have that policy and engagement. If they want to

:46:12.:46:13.

engagement. If they want to engagement. If they want to

:46:13.:46:15.

criticise us, fine. But let's see criticise us, fine. But let's see

:46:15.:46:15.

criticise us, fine. But let's see criticise us, fine. But let's see

:46:15.:46:16.

the colour of their money. They have the colour of their money. They have

:46:16.:46:19.

the colour of their money. They have the colour of their money. They have

:46:19.:46:20.

the colour of their money. They have had six years to rid -- to produce a

:46:20.:46:21.

had six years to rid -- to produce a had six years to rid -- to produce a

:46:21.:46:27.

replacement policy, and they have replacement policy, and they have

:46:27.:46:27.

replacement policy, and they have failed. This flag controversy is

:46:27.:46:29.

failed. This flag controversy is failed. This flag controversy is

:46:29.:46:35.

said to be deliberately whipped up said to be deliberately whipped up

:46:35.:46:40.

said to be deliberately whipped up said to be deliberately whipped up

:46:40.:46:41.

by your party's opponents to whip up by your party's opponents to whip up

:46:41.:46:42.

bad feeling, specifically directed bad feeling, specifically directed

:46:42.:46:47.

bad feeling, specifically directed bad feeling, specifically directed

:46:47.:46:48.

at you and your party. We are at you and your party. We are

:46:48.:46:49.

at you and your party. We are at you and your party. We are

:46:49.:46:50.

waiting for an explanation as to why waiting for an explanation as to why

:46:50.:46:51.

waiting for an explanation as to why waiting for an explanation as to why

:46:51.:46:53.

my name appeared on a leaflet that my name appeared on a leaflet that

:46:53.:46:54.

my name appeared on a leaflet that my name appeared on a leaflet that

:46:54.:46:55.

was distributed when I am not a was distributed when I am not a

:46:55.:46:57.

was distributed when I am not a Belfast city councillor. For the

:46:58.:46:59.

Belfast city councillor. For the Belfast city councillor. For the

:46:59.:47:00.

Belfast city councillor. For the meantime, we can only issue that the

:47:00.:47:01.

meantime, we can only issue that the meantime, we can only issue that the

:47:01.:47:04.

targeting of me in that situation targeting of me in that situation

:47:04.:47:05.

targeting of me in that situation targeting of me in that situation

:47:05.:47:06.

was purely about the loss of the was purely about the loss of the

:47:06.:47:07.

was purely about the loss of the was purely about the loss of the

:47:07.:47:10.

seat of the Alliance Party at the seat of the Alliance Party at the

:47:10.:47:11.

seat of the Alliance Party at the seat of the Alliance Party at the

:47:11.:47:12.

last election. I think there is a last election. I think there is a

:47:12.:47:13.

last election. I think there is a degree of residence within the

:47:13.:47:14.

degree of residence within the degree of residence within the

:47:14.:47:15.

degree of residence within the community that that is what this has

:47:15.:47:17.

community that that is what this has community that that is what this has

:47:17.:47:18.

been about. Just briefly, are you been about. Just briefly, are you

:47:18.:47:19.

been about. Just briefly, are you heartened to hear from Peter

:47:19.:47:20.

heartened to hear from Peter heartened to hear from Peter

:47:20.:47:20.

heartened to hear from Peter Robinson, who is quoted today on the

:47:20.:47:22.

Robinson, who is quoted today on the Robinson, who is quoted today on the

:47:22.:47:25.

radio as saying that several working radio as saying that several working

:47:25.:47:26.

radio as saying that several working radio as saying that several working

:47:26.:47:27.

groups have been set up by the groups have been set up by the

:47:27.:47:28.

groups have been set up by the Unionist Forum -- the Unionist Forum

:47:28.:47:29.

Unionist Forum -- the Unionist Forum Unionist Forum -- the Unionist Forum

:47:29.:47:31.

Unionist Forum -- the Unionist Forum Unionist Forum -- the Unionist Forum

:47:31.:47:32.

to set out how to deal with this. to set out how to deal with this.

:47:32.:47:33.

to set out how to deal with this. to set out how to deal with this.

:47:33.:47:34.

think it is too little too late. think it is too little too late.

:47:34.:47:35.

think it is too little too late. think it is too little too late.

:47:35.:47:36.

This issue has been on the agenda This issue has been on the agenda

:47:36.:47:37.

This issue has been on the agenda This issue has been on the agenda

:47:37.:47:39.

for ten years, and there has been no for ten years, and there has been no

:47:39.:47:40.

for ten years, and there has been no progress. The time for the

:47:40.:47:41.

progress. The time for the progress. The time for the

:47:41.:47:42.

discussion over the flags issue in discussion over the flags issue in

:47:42.:47:47.

discussion over the flags issue in Belfast was ten years ago. Let's

:47:47.:47:48.

Belfast was ten years ago. Let's talk about realignment with

:47:48.:47:50.

talk about realignment with talk about realignment with

:47:50.:47:51.

unionism. How threatened are you at unionism. How threatened are you at

:47:52.:47:56.

unionism. How threatened are you at the establishment of a new liberal

:47:56.:47:57.

the establishment of a new liberal the establishment of a new liberal

:47:57.:47:57.

progressive liberalist party led by progressive liberalist party led by

:47:57.:48:01.

progressive liberalist party led by Basil McCrea and John McCallister?

:48:01.:48:03.

Basil McCrea and John McCallister? Basil McCrea and John McCallister?

:48:03.:48:03.

Our priority is to realign the Our priority is to realign the

:48:03.:48:07.

Northern Ireland political Northern Ireland political

:48:07.:48:07.

Northern Ireland political conversation. But some unionists who

:48:07.:48:08.

conversation. But some unionists who conversation. But some unionists who

:48:08.:48:10.

support the alliance might go back support the alliance might go back

:48:10.:48:11.

support the alliance might go back support the alliance might go back

:48:11.:48:14.

to a big new Unionist party? Our job to a big new Unionist party? Our job

:48:14.:48:15.

to a big new Unionist party? Our job is to align politics around our

:48:15.:48:16.

is to align politics around our is to align politics around our

:48:16.:48:18.

is to align politics around our agenda. That is not a realignment. A

:48:18.:48:20.

agenda. That is not a realignment. A agenda. That is not a realignment. A

:48:20.:48:21.

realignment has been tried before. realignment has been tried before.

:48:21.:48:23.

realignment has been tried before. We have had multiple parties, and

:48:23.:48:24.

We have had multiple parties, and We have had multiple parties, and

:48:24.:48:27.

history is littered with Unionist history is littered with Unionist

:48:27.:48:28.

history is littered with Unionist parties that have tried to realign

:48:28.:48:30.

parties that have tried to realign parties that have tried to realign

:48:30.:48:32.

unionism, and have failed to achieve unionism, and have failed to achieve

:48:32.:48:33.

unionism, and have failed to achieve unionism, and have failed to achieve

:48:33.:48:34.

that end. We are focused on trying that end. We are focused on trying

:48:34.:48:35.

that end. We are focused on trying to realign the policies and the

:48:35.:48:41.

to realign the policies and the to realign the policies and the

:48:41.:48:42.

practices in Northern Ireland, to practices in Northern Ireland, to

:48:42.:48:44.

practices in Northern Ireland, to deliver for everyone. You are

:48:44.:48:45.

deliver for everyone. You are deliver for everyone. You are

:48:45.:48:46.

pleased you are speaking with one pleased you are speaking with one

:48:46.:48:47.

pleased you are speaking with one pleased you are speaking with one

:48:47.:48:49.

voice on flags and other issues. But voice on flags and other issues. But

:48:49.:48:50.

voice on flags and other issues. But there are issues that divide the

:48:50.:48:52.

there are issues that divide the there are issues that divide the

:48:52.:48:53.

Alliance Party, Mike for abortion Alliance Party, Mike for abortion

:48:53.:48:55.

Alliance Party, Mike for abortion Alliance Party, Mike for abortion

:48:55.:48:56.

and gay marriage. Some of you do not and gay marriage. Some of you do not

:48:56.:48:58.

and gay marriage. Some of you do not and gay marriage. Some of you do not

:48:58.:49:00.

agree on the way forward. On the agree on the way forward. On the

:49:00.:49:00.

agree on the way forward. On the agree on the way forward. On the

:49:00.:49:01.

issue of abortion, it is not unusual issue of abortion, it is not unusual

:49:01.:49:03.

issue of abortion, it is not unusual issue of abortion, it is not unusual

:49:03.:49:04.

for a party to take the position for a party to take the position

:49:04.:49:05.

for a party to take the position that this is a matter of

:49:05.:49:06.

that this is a matter of that this is a matter of

:49:06.:49:08.

conscience. I have a particular view conscience. I have a particular view

:49:08.:49:10.

conscience. I have a particular view in my conscience about abortion, and

:49:10.:49:13.

in my conscience about abortion, and in my conscience about abortion, and

:49:13.:49:14.

others may not share that view. others may not share that view.

:49:14.:49:15.

others may not share that view. There is no division within the

:49:15.:49:15.

There is no division within the There is no division within the

:49:15.:49:16.

There is no division within the party. A lot of parties would take

:49:16.:49:17.

party. A lot of parties would take party. A lot of parties would take

:49:17.:49:18.

party. A lot of parties would take the same view. On gay marriage, we

:49:18.:49:19.

the same view. On gay marriage, we the same view. On gay marriage, we

:49:19.:49:20.

the same view. On gay marriage, we have a strong policy, and that has

:49:20.:49:22.

have a strong policy, and that has have a strong policy, and that has

:49:22.:49:23.

been represented by the vast been represented by the vast

:49:23.:49:25.

been represented by the vast been represented by the vast

:49:25.:49:25.

majority of people in the party. majority of people in the party.

:49:25.:49:26.

majority of people in the party. majority of people in the party.

:49:26.:49:27.

one man has voted against it. We one man has voted against it. We

:49:27.:49:31.

one man has voted against it. We one man has voted against it. We

:49:31.:49:31.

accept that there will be those who accept that there will be those who

:49:31.:49:33.

have a different view. have a different view.

:49:33.:49:34.

have a different view. have a different view.

:49:34.:49:37.

Let's bring my two guests in now. Let's bring my two guests in now.

:49:37.:49:38.

Let's bring my two guests in now. Let's bring my two guests in now.

:49:38.:49:40.

Kate Marshall is the chair of Women Kate Marshall is the chair of Women

:49:40.:49:41.

Kate Marshall is the chair of Women Kate Marshall is the chair of Women

:49:41.:49:42.

In Business. Noel Doran is here from In Business. Noel Doran is here from

:49:42.:49:46.

In Business. Noel Doran is here from In Business. Noel Doran is here from

:49:46.:49:46.

the Irish News. No punches pulled in the Irish News. No punches pulled in

:49:46.:49:48.

the Irish News. No punches pulled in the Irish News. No punches pulled in

:49:48.:49:48.

some of the comments made about the some of the comments made about the

:49:48.:49:50.

some of the comments made about the flags dispute. Do you think the

:49:50.:49:51.

flags dispute. Do you think the flags dispute. Do you think the

:49:51.:49:54.

alliance is whether that storm? alliance is whether that storm?

:49:54.:49:55.

alliance is whether that storm? reflected on an interview I heard

:49:55.:49:56.

reflected on an interview I heard reflected on an interview I heard

:49:56.:49:58.

with a leading loyalist in East with a leading loyalist in East

:49:58.:49:59.

with a leading loyalist in East Belfast, who was able to declare

:49:59.:50:00.

Belfast, who was able to declare Belfast, who was able to declare

:50:00.:50:01.

with certainty that Naomi Long would with certainty that Naomi Long would

:50:01.:50:02.

with certainty that Naomi Long would with certainty that Naomi Long would

:50:02.:50:05.

not be the next MP for the not be the next MP for the

:50:05.:50:06.

not be the next MP for the not be the next MP for the

:50:06.:50:06.

constituency. He was not a member of constituency. He was not a member of

:50:06.:50:08.

constituency. He was not a member of constituency. He was not a member of

:50:08.:50:09.

the altar unionists or the DUP, but the altar unionists or the DUP, but

:50:09.:50:11.

the altar unionists or the DUP, but the altar unionists or the DUP, but

:50:11.:50:12.

he was able to say what those two he was able to say what those two

:50:12.:50:14.

he was able to say what those two he was able to say what those two

:50:14.:50:14.

parties would be doing. That is not parties would be doing. That is not

:50:14.:50:15.

parties would be doing. That is not parties would be doing. That is not

:50:15.:50:19.

a positive sign in this part of the a positive sign in this part of the

:50:19.:50:20.

a positive sign in this part of the a positive sign in this part of the

:50:20.:50:20.

world. Maybe we will hear from Naomi world. Maybe we will hear from Naomi

:50:20.:50:22.

world. Maybe we will hear from Naomi world. Maybe we will hear from Naomi

:50:22.:50:23.

in a moment about that. But your in a moment about that. But your

:50:23.:50:26.

in a moment about that. But your in a moment about that. But your

:50:26.:50:28.

view is set -- certain sections of view is set -- certain sections of

:50:28.:50:29.

view is set -- certain sections of the community gave their view to

:50:29.:50:30.

the community gave their view to the community gave their view to

:50:30.:50:32.

Naomi because they were not happy Naomi because they were not happy

:50:32.:50:35.

Naomi because they were not happy Naomi because they were not happy

:50:35.:50:36.

with the DUP. Alliance have had a with the DUP. Alliance have had a

:50:36.:50:37.

with the DUP. Alliance have had a remarkable period over the last few

:50:37.:50:39.

remarkable period over the last few remarkable period over the last few

:50:39.:50:40.

years, but eight ultras period over years, but eight ultras period over

:50:40.:50:43.

years, but eight ultras period over the last three months. The pressure

:50:43.:50:44.

the last three months. The pressure the last three months. The pressure

:50:44.:50:45.

the last three months. The pressure has been on. It is not a healthy

:50:45.:50:46.

has been on. It is not a healthy has been on. It is not a healthy

:50:46.:50:47.

sign for politics in Northern sign for politics in Northern

:50:47.:50:48.

sign for politics in Northern Ireland that something like that can

:50:48.:50:49.

Ireland that something like that can Ireland that something like that can

:50:49.:50:51.

Ireland that something like that can happen in this day and age. I am

:50:51.:50:52.

happen in this day and age. I am happen in this day and age. I am

:50:52.:50:53.

talking about attacks on homes and talking about attacks on homes and

:50:54.:50:56.

intimidation of elected intimidation of elected

:50:56.:50:57.

representatives. Kate Marshall, the representatives. Kate Marshall, the

:50:57.:50:58.

representatives. Kate Marshall, the Alliance Party has made much about

:50:58.:51:00.

Alliance Party has made much about Alliance Party has made much about

:51:00.:51:00.

the need for this partnership the need for this partnership

:51:00.:51:03.

between politicians and civic between politicians and civic

:51:03.:51:07.

between politicians and civic between politicians and civic

:51:07.:51:08.

society. Do you agree that that is a society. Do you agree that that is a

:51:08.:51:09.

society. Do you agree that that is a coalition that needs to be worked

:51:09.:51:13.

coalition that needs to be worked coalition that needs to be worked

:51:13.:51:14.

out? Absolutely. The closer the out? Absolutely. The closer the

:51:14.:51:15.

links between business and links between business and

:51:16.:51:16.

links between business and politicians and society, that must

:51:16.:51:17.

politicians and society, that must politicians and society, that must

:51:17.:51:20.

politicians and society, that must be for all our good. That is beyond

:51:20.:51:22.

be for all our good. That is beyond be for all our good. That is beyond

:51:22.:51:24.

party politics, is it? Absolutely. party politics, is it? Absolutely.

:51:24.:51:25.

party politics, is it? Absolutely. party politics, is it? Absolutely.

:51:25.:51:26.

If you think about society and how If you think about society and how

:51:26.:51:27.

If you think about society and how If you think about society and how

:51:27.:51:28.

we have all moved in the last few we have all moved in the last few

:51:28.:51:30.

we have all moved in the last few we have all moved in the last few

:51:30.:51:32.

years, it is all about being more years, it is all about being more

:51:32.:51:32.

collaborative, about working collaborative, about working

:51:32.:51:36.

collaborative, about working together to create a better future.

:51:36.:51:37.

together to create a better future. together to create a better future.

:51:37.:51:40.

When you hear from representatives When you hear from representatives

:51:40.:51:41.

When you hear from representatives of some of the parties, particularly

:51:41.:51:44.

of some of the parties, particularly of some of the parties, particularly

:51:44.:51:45.

of some of the parties, particularly the DUP, their line on it is that

:51:45.:51:47.

the DUP, their line on it is that civic society will exercise

:51:47.:51:48.

civic society will exercise politicians to make these

:51:48.:51:49.

politicians to make these politicians to make these

:51:49.:51:51.

politicians to make these decisions. We don't need to go back

:51:51.:51:52.

decisions. We don't need to go back and rethink everything with

:51:52.:51:53.

and rethink everything with and rethink everything with

:51:53.:51:54.

everybody and society. We are paid everybody and society. We are paid

:51:54.:51:56.

everybody and society. We are paid everybody and society. We are paid

:51:56.:51:58.

to move things like this forward. to move things like this forward.

:51:58.:51:59.

to move things like this forward. to move things like this forward.

:51:59.:52:01.

is so, but you cannot do things in is so, but you cannot do things in

:52:01.:52:02.

is so, but you cannot do things in isolation. You have to keep

:52:02.:52:04.

isolation. You have to keep communicating and involving people

:52:04.:52:05.

communicating and involving people communicating and involving people

:52:05.:52:06.

in the decisions, otherwise they in the decisions, otherwise they

:52:06.:52:09.

in the decisions, otherwise they feel left out, and obviously what

:52:09.:52:10.

feel left out, and obviously what feel left out, and obviously what

:52:10.:52:13.

happens then is disillusionment and happens then is disillusionment and

:52:13.:52:14.

happens then is disillusionment and disengagement. On that broader issue

:52:14.:52:16.

disengagement. On that broader issue of the relationship between

:52:16.:52:18.

of the relationship between of the relationship between

:52:18.:52:19.

politicians and civic society, it's politicians and civic society, it's

:52:19.:52:20.

not necessarily the healthiest not necessarily the healthiest

:52:20.:52:22.

not necessarily the healthiest relationship we have in Northern

:52:22.:52:24.

relationship we have in Northern relationship we have in Northern

:52:24.:52:25.

relationship we have in Northern Ireland? Clearly not. We all have to

:52:25.:52:26.

Ireland? Clearly not. We all have to Ireland? Clearly not. We all have to

:52:26.:52:28.

Ireland? Clearly not. We all have to be aware of progress on the strategy

:52:28.:52:29.

be aware of progress on the strategy be aware of progress on the strategy

:52:29.:52:31.

of living together. The anger that of living together. The anger that

:52:31.:52:32.

of living together. The anger that David Ford felt was clear

:52:32.:52:33.

David Ford felt was clear David Ford felt was clear

:52:33.:52:34.

yesterday, but it is a yesterday, but it is a

:52:34.:52:36.

yesterday, but it is a contradiction. His party does hold

:52:36.:52:37.

contradiction. His party does hold contradiction. His party does hold

:52:37.:52:39.

contradiction. His party does hold two seats in the Executive, and that

:52:39.:52:40.

two seats in the Executive, and that two seats in the Executive, and that

:52:40.:52:41.

two seats in the Executive, and that is twice what they are allowed in

:52:41.:52:46.

is twice what they are allowed in is twice what they are allowed in

:52:46.:52:48.

elective terms. Namely, to pick up elective terms. Namely, to pick up

:52:48.:52:49.

elective terms. Namely, to pick up on what Noel was talking about

:52:49.:52:52.

on what Noel was talking about on what Noel was talking about

:52:52.:52:53.

there. There are doom and gloom there. There are doom and gloom

:52:53.:52:56.

there. There are doom and gloom merchants predicting that you have

:52:56.:52:57.

merchants predicting that you have merchants predicting that you have

:52:57.:52:59.

merchants predicting that you have had -- you will have a tougher time

:52:59.:53:00.

had -- you will have a tougher time had -- you will have a tougher time

:53:00.:53:01.

had -- you will have a tougher time in 2015 when you are running a

:53:01.:53:04.

in 2015 when you are running a in 2015 when you are running a

:53:04.:53:04.

in 2015 when you are running a game. The votes that you got from

:53:04.:53:05.

game. The votes that you got from game. The votes that you got from

:53:05.:53:06.

unionists in East Belfast will not unionists in East Belfast will not

:53:06.:53:13.

unionists in East Belfast will not unionists in East Belfast will not

:53:13.:53:14.

be there the second time round. be there the second time round.

:53:14.:53:14.

be there the second time round. terms... Of course there are

:53:15.:53:15.

terms... Of course there are terms... Of course there are

:53:15.:53:17.

limitations when you are in charge limitations when you are in charge

:53:17.:53:18.

limitations when you are in charge limitations when you are in charge

:53:18.:53:20.

of an Executive like ours. It is a of an Executive like ours. It is a

:53:20.:53:22.

of an Executive like ours. It is a of an Executive like ours. It is a

:53:22.:53:24.

small party of two. But we have made small party of two. But we have made

:53:24.:53:26.

small party of two. But we have made small party of two. But we have made

:53:26.:53:27.

a real impact, and have been able to a real impact, and have been able to

:53:27.:53:29.

demonstrate what an alliance demonstrate what an alliance

:53:29.:53:30.

demonstrate what an alliance government would look like. That is

:53:30.:53:32.

government would look like. That is government would look like. That is

:53:32.:53:33.

important. In terms of the election important. In terms of the election

:53:33.:53:36.

important. In terms of the election important. In terms of the election

:53:36.:53:37.

in East Belfast, it is too early to in East Belfast, it is too early to

:53:37.:53:39.

in East Belfast, it is too early to predict anything. Until 2008, nobody

:53:39.:53:40.

predict anything. Until 2008, nobody predict anything. Until 2008, nobody

:53:40.:53:41.

would have even predicted that I would have even predicted that I

:53:41.:53:42.

would have even predicted that I would be runner-up in the election

:53:42.:53:43.

would be runner-up in the election would be runner-up in the election

:53:43.:53:45.

would be runner-up in the election would be runner-up in the election

:53:45.:53:46.

in 2010. It is up to me to do the in 2010. It is up to me to do the

:53:46.:53:47.

in 2010. It is up to me to do the in 2010. It is up to me to do the

:53:47.:53:48.

in 2010. It is up to me to do the job to the best of my ability. It is

:53:48.:53:50.

job to the best of my ability. It is job to the best of my ability. It is

:53:50.:53:51.

job to the best of my ability. It is up to the voters. We had the birth

:53:51.:53:52.

up to the voters. We had the birth up to the voters. We had the birth

:53:52.:53:53.

up to the voters. We had the birth of a new political party this week,

:53:53.:53:54.

of a new political party this week, of a new political party this week,

:53:54.:53:55.

of a new political party this week, of a new political party this week,

:53:55.:53:56.

and they call for an old one to pull and they call for an old one to pull

:53:56.:53:58.

and they call for an old one to pull and they call for an old one to pull

:53:58.:53:59.

out of the Executive. It is all in out of the Executive. It is all in

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out of the Executive. It is all in The Week In 60 Seconds.

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The Week In 60 Seconds. The Week In 60 Seconds.

:54:06.:54:07.

Sinn Fein made history by appearing Sinn Fein made history by appearing

:54:07.:54:08.

Sinn Fein made history by appearing before visiting MPs, but they didn't

:54:08.:54:09.

before visiting MPs, but they didn't before visiting MPs, but they didn't

:54:09.:54:12.

before visiting MPs, but they didn't turn up when mid Ulster was debated.

:54:12.:54:13.

turn up when mid Ulster was debated. turn up when mid Ulster was debated.

:54:13.:54:14.

They and the Unionist unity They and the Unionist unity

:54:14.:54:17.

They and the Unionist unity candidate stayed away. TUC leader

:54:17.:54:18.

candidate stayed away. TUC leader candidate stayed away. TUC leader

:54:18.:54:23.

candidate stayed away. TUC leader sought help from an old foe. You are

:54:23.:54:29.

sought help from an old foe. You are sought help from an old foe. You are

:54:29.:54:30.

sought help from an old foe. You are my MP. The SDLP were urged to leave

:54:30.:54:31.

my MP. The SDLP were urged to leave my MP. The SDLP were urged to leave

:54:31.:54:32.

the Executive. I would personally the Executive. I would personally

:54:32.:54:33.

the Executive. I would personally the Executive. I would personally

:54:33.:54:33.

believe that the best thing for us believe that the best thing for us

:54:33.:54:36.

believe that the best thing for us believe that the best thing for us

:54:36.:54:37.

believe that the best thing for us to do is to pull out, and be free to

:54:37.:54:39.

to do is to pull out, and be free to to do is to pull out, and be free to

:54:39.:54:40.

to do is to pull out, and be free to be a real opposition. Basil and John

:54:40.:54:41.

be a real opposition. Basil and John be a real opposition. Basil and John

:54:41.:54:42.

be a real opposition. Basil and John stepped out together to reveal a new

:54:42.:54:45.

stepped out together to reveal a new stepped out together to reveal a new

:54:45.:54:45.

stepped out together to reveal a new party, with no name. We don't think

:54:45.:54:46.

party, with no name. We don't think party, with no name. We don't think

:54:46.:54:50.

party, with no name. We don't think we need to wave flags to provide the

:54:50.:54:51.

we need to wave flags to provide the leadership than Northern Ireland

:54:51.:54:52.

leadership than Northern Ireland leadership than Northern Ireland

:54:52.:54:54.

needs. And Sinn Fein showed they needs. And Sinn Fein showed they

:54:54.:54:56.

needs. And Sinn Fein showed they personally believe in a shared

:54:56.:54:59.

personally believe in a shared personally believe in a shared

:54:59.:55:09.
:55:09.:55:13.

He's the former Ulster Unionist MLA He's the former Ulster Unionist MLA

:55:13.:55:14.

turned Independent, who recently turned Independent, who recently

:55:14.:55:15.

turned Independent, who recently turned Independent, who recently

:55:15.:55:17.

said the time was right for the said the time was right for the

:55:17.:55:18.

said the time was right for the creation of a new, more moderate

:55:18.:55:22.

creation of a new, more moderate creation of a new, more moderate

:55:22.:55:23.

Unionist party. That David McClarty Unionist party. That David McClarty

:55:23.:55:24.

Unionist party. That David McClarty Unionist party. That David McClarty

:55:24.:55:25.

said he will not be joining the said he will not be joining the

:55:25.:55:26.

said he will not be joining the said he will not be joining the

:55:26.:55:28.

party set up by Basil McCrea and party set up by Basil McCrea and

:55:28.:55:29.

party set up by Basil McCrea and John McCallister, or not yet

:55:29.:55:31.

John McCallister, or not yet John McCallister, or not yet

:55:31.:55:32.

John McCallister, or not yet anyway. Why not? I thought about it

:55:32.:55:34.

anyway. Why not? I thought about it anyway. Why not? I thought about it

:55:34.:55:35.

anyway. Why not? I thought about it long and hard. I consulted with my

:55:35.:55:38.

long and hard. I consulted with my family, consulted with constituents

:55:38.:55:40.

family, consulted with constituents family, consulted with constituents

:55:40.:55:40.

family, consulted with constituents and people coming into my office. I

:55:40.:55:42.

and people coming into my office. I and people coming into my office. I

:55:42.:55:43.

and people coming into my office. I had to go back to my original

:55:43.:55:44.

had to go back to my original had to go back to my original

:55:44.:55:45.

had to go back to my original decision after I was elected, when I

:55:45.:55:47.

decision after I was elected, when I decision after I was elected, when I

:55:47.:55:47.

decision after I was elected, when I was quoted by other parties to join

:55:47.:55:49.

was quoted by other parties to join was quoted by other parties to join

:55:49.:55:50.

was quoted by other parties to join them. At the forefront of my mind

:55:50.:55:51.

them. At the forefront of my mind them. At the forefront of my mind

:55:51.:55:52.

them. At the forefront of my mind was the people who voted me as an

:55:52.:55:54.

was the people who voted me as an was the people who voted me as an

:55:54.:55:56.

independent Unionist, and I had to independent Unionist, and I had to

:55:56.:55:57.

independent Unionist, and I had to take them into consideration, and

:55:57.:55:58.

take them into consideration, and take them into consideration, and

:55:58.:56:00.

take them into consideration, and the reasons why they voted for me. I

:56:00.:56:01.

the reasons why they voted for me. I the reasons why they voted for me. I

:56:01.:56:03.

decided I would remain independent. decided I would remain independent.

:56:03.:56:04.

decided I would remain independent. You could never have foreseen the

:56:04.:56:05.

You could never have foreseen the You could never have foreseen the

:56:05.:56:06.

circumstances that have come about, circumstances that have come about,

:56:06.:56:08.

circumstances that have come about, circumstances that have come about,

:56:08.:56:09.

where a new party that is entirely where a new party that is entirely

:56:09.:56:10.

where a new party that is entirely in line with your political world

:56:10.:56:11.

in line with your political world in line with your political world

:56:11.:56:17.

view, would be created. Indeed. I view, would be created. Indeed. I

:56:17.:56:18.

view, would be created. Indeed. I support the vision that John and

:56:18.:56:20.

support the vision that John and support the vision that John and

:56:20.:56:21.

support the vision that John and Basil have, but I was not elected on

:56:21.:56:26.

Basil have, but I was not elected on Basil have, but I was not elected on

:56:26.:56:26.

Basil have, but I was not elected on that basis. That is primary in my

:56:26.:56:29.

that basis. That is primary in my that basis. That is primary in my

:56:29.:56:31.

mind. Recently, you have talked mind. Recently, you have talked

:56:31.:56:32.

mind. Recently, you have talked in-store Mont about getting better

:56:33.:56:33.

in-store Mont about getting better in-store Mont about getting better

:56:33.:56:36.

voted rights for smaller parties. voted rights for smaller parties.

:56:36.:56:38.

voted rights for smaller parties. voted rights for smaller parties.

:56:38.:56:39.

Are you not doing your voters out of Are you not doing your voters out of

:56:39.:56:41.

Are you not doing your voters out of Are you not doing your voters out of

:56:41.:56:42.

a better voice at store Mont by not a better voice at store Mont by not

:56:42.:56:43.

a better voice at store Mont by not banding together with others in your

:56:43.:56:45.

banding together with others in your banding together with others in your

:56:45.:56:46.

banding together with others in your party. The more of you there are,

:56:46.:56:47.

party. The more of you there are, party. The more of you there are,

:56:47.:56:50.

the bigger your voice would be. the bigger your voice would be.

:56:50.:56:52.

the bigger your voice would be. Absolutely, at the present time,

:56:52.:56:53.

Absolutely, at the present time, Absolutely, at the present time,

:56:53.:56:54.

speaking rights of those like myself speaking rights of those like myself

:56:54.:56:55.

speaking rights of those like myself speaking rights of those like myself

:56:55.:56:58.

who are on their own in the who are on their own in the

:56:58.:57:00.

backbenches are practically backbenches are practically

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backbenches are practically non-existent. If other parties put

:57:01.:57:02.

non-existent. If other parties put non-existent. If other parties put

:57:02.:57:04.

enough speakers forward, then we enough speakers forward, then we

:57:04.:57:05.

enough speakers forward, then we enough speakers forward, then we

:57:05.:57:06.

don't get an opportunity at all. I don't get an opportunity at all. I

:57:06.:57:07.

don't get an opportunity at all. I don't get an opportunity at all. I

:57:07.:57:09.

take your point that I could perhaps take your point that I could perhaps

:57:09.:57:11.

take your point that I could perhaps best represent my constituents if I

:57:11.:57:12.

best represent my constituents if I best represent my constituents if I

:57:12.:57:13.

best represent my constituents if I was member of another party, but I

:57:13.:57:14.

was member of another party, but I was member of another party, but I

:57:14.:57:16.

was member of another party, but I was not elected as a member of

:57:16.:57:17.

was not elected as a member of was not elected as a member of

:57:17.:57:18.

was not elected as a member of another party. Do you think it was

:57:18.:57:20.

another party. Do you think it was another party. Do you think it was

:57:20.:57:21.

something you would consider if you something you would consider if you

:57:21.:57:22.

something you would consider if you something you would consider if you

:57:22.:57:23.

decided to run at the next election? decided to run at the next election?

:57:23.:57:24.

decided to run at the next election? decided to run at the next election?

:57:24.:57:25.

That you would run as a member of That you would run as a member of

:57:25.:57:29.

That you would run as a member of That you would run as a member of

:57:29.:57:30.

that new party? One never says never that new party? One never says never

:57:30.:57:32.

that new party? One never says never in politics. There was a previous

:57:32.:57:34.

in politics. There was a previous in politics. There was a previous

:57:34.:57:35.

first minister who said never four first minister who said never four

:57:35.:57:36.

first minister who said never four first minister who said never four

:57:36.:57:37.

times, and then in the end he said, times, and then in the end he said,

:57:37.:57:38.

times, and then in the end he said, times, and then in the end he said,

:57:38.:57:39.

all right then. But that would be all right then. But that would be

:57:39.:57:40.

all right then. But that would be all right then. But that would be

:57:40.:57:42.

for the future. If I decide to go for the future. If I decide to go

:57:42.:57:44.

for the future. If I decide to go for the future. If I decide to go

:57:44.:57:45.

that way, it would be put before the that way, it would be put before the

:57:45.:57:46.

that way, it would be put before the that way, it would be put before the

:57:46.:57:47.

electorate. No way you would go back electorate. No way you would go back

:57:47.:57:48.

electorate. No way you would go back to the Ulster Unionist Party, is

:57:48.:57:50.

to the Ulster Unionist Party, is to the Ulster Unionist Party, is

:57:50.:57:52.

to the Ulster Unionist Party, is there? Not in the way it is going.

:57:52.:57:54.

there? Not in the way it is going. there? Not in the way it is going.

:57:54.:57:55.

there? Not in the way it is going. There is nothing between the DUP and

:57:55.:57:57.

There is nothing between the DUP and There is nothing between the DUP and

:57:57.:57:57.

the Ulster Unionist's. Thank you. the Ulster Unionist's. Thank you.

:57:57.:58:00.

the Ulster Unionist's. Thank you. the Ulster Unionist's. Thank you.

:58:00.:58:03.

Stay with us. Noel Doran and Kate Stay with us. Noel Doran and Kate

:58:03.:58:04.

Stay with us. Noel Doran and Kate Marshall. A new party. It doesn't

:58:04.:58:06.

Marshall. A new party. It doesn't Marshall. A new party. It doesn't

:58:06.:58:07.

Marshall. A new party. It doesn't have a name. Would it benefit from

:58:07.:58:09.

have a name. Would it benefit from have a name. Would it benefit from

:58:09.:58:13.

being three Musketeers instead of being three Musketeers instead of

:58:13.:58:13.

being three Musketeers instead of being three Musketeers instead of

:58:14.:58:14.

two? Clearly it would. There is not two? Clearly it would. There is not

:58:14.:58:15.

two? Clearly it would. There is not a great track record for unionists

:58:15.:58:16.

a great track record for unionists a great track record for unionists

:58:16.:58:18.

a great track record for unionists over the past few years. There is an

:58:18.:58:19.

over the past few years. There is an over the past few years. There is an

:58:19.:58:21.

opportunity there, but it is going opportunity there, but it is going

:58:21.:58:24.

opportunity there, but it is going to be tough. Unionist councillors

:58:24.:58:25.

to be tough. Unionist councillors to be tough. Unionist councillors

:58:25.:58:26.

seem to be abandoning John seem to be abandoning John

:58:26.:58:27.

seem to be abandoning John seem to be abandoning John

:58:27.:58:27.

McCallister, so it is going to be a McCallister, so it is going to be a

:58:28.:58:31.

McCallister, so it is going to be a McCallister, so it is going to be a

:58:31.:58:32.

lonely road for him. Basil will also lonely road for him. Basil will also

:58:32.:58:33.

lonely road for him. Basil will also faces challenges as well. The

:58:33.:58:34.

faces challenges as well. The faces challenges as well. The

:58:34.:58:34.

faces challenges as well. The spotlight is on them, and it will be

:58:34.:58:37.

spotlight is on them, and it will be spotlight is on them, and it will be

:58:37.:58:40.

tough. Can I broaden the tough. Can I broaden the

:58:40.:58:42.

conversation? You advise businesses conversation? You advise businesses

:58:42.:58:43.

conversation? You advise businesses on leadership. What is your message

:58:43.:58:44.

on leadership. What is your message on leadership. What is your message

:58:44.:58:48.

on leadership. What is your message to our leaders at Stormont? When I

:58:48.:58:49.

to our leaders at Stormont? When I to our leaders at Stormont? When I

:58:49.:58:50.

think about business and leadership, think about business and leadership,

:58:50.:58:51.

think about business and leadership, think about business and leadership,

:58:51.:58:52.

there's a couple of things that come there's a couple of things that come

:58:52.:58:54.

there's a couple of things that come to mind. Firstly, people are looking

:58:54.:58:55.

to mind. Firstly, people are looking to mind. Firstly, people are looking

:58:55.:58:59.

for clarity and their leaders. They for clarity and their leaders. They

:58:59.:59:00.

for clarity and their leaders. They for clarity and their leaders. They

:59:00.:59:01.

are looking for a clear vision, and are looking for a clear vision, and

:59:01.:59:02.

are looking for a clear vision, and are looking for a clear vision, and

:59:02.:59:04.

a clear way that that vision is a clear way that that vision is

:59:04.:59:05.

a clear way that that vision is communicated. They are looking for a

:59:05.:59:06.

communicated. They are looking for a communicated. They are looking for a

:59:06.:59:07.

communicated. They are looking for a sense of something that they can put

:59:07.:59:08.

sense of something that they can put sense of something that they can put

:59:08.:59:10.

their hope in, and something to their hope in, and something to

:59:10.:59:12.

their hope in, and something to follow that enables them, with

:59:12.:59:14.

follow that enables them, with follow that enables them, with

:59:14.:59:14.

clarity, to move forward with clarity, to move forward with

:59:14.:59:16.

clarity, to move forward with confidence. Voters can see through a

:59:16.:59:20.

confidence. Voters can see through a confidence. Voters can see through a

:59:20.:59:21.

lack of clarity. Absolutely. A lack lack of clarity. Absolutely. A lack

:59:21.:59:22.

lack of clarity. Absolutely. A lack lack of clarity. Absolutely. A lack

:59:22.:59:23.

of clarity causes folks to set aside of clarity causes folks to set aside

:59:23.:59:24.

of clarity causes folks to set aside of clarity causes folks to set aside

:59:24.:59:29.

-- step aside and find their own -- step aside and find their own

:59:29.:59:33.

-- step aside and find their own -- step aside and find their own

:59:33.:59:35.

way. David, bringing you in again. A way. David, bringing you in again. A

:59:35.:59:36.

way. David, bringing you in again. A joke was made yesterday about yet

:59:36.:59:41.

joke was made yesterday about yet joke was made yesterday about yet

:59:41.:59:41.

another Unionist party. Do you think another Unionist party. Do you think

:59:41.:59:44.

another Unionist party. Do you think another Unionist party. Do you think

:59:44.:59:45.

there is a well of support their there is a well of support their

:59:45.:59:47.

full liberal, moderate, progressive full liberal, moderate, progressive

:59:47.:59:51.

full liberal, moderate, progressive unionism, or has that disappeared?

:59:51.:59:52.

unionism, or has that disappeared? unionism, or has that disappeared?

:59:52.:59:54.

There certainly is, because 45% of There certainly is, because 45% of

:59:54.:59:55.

There certainly is, because 45% of the electorate do not vote

:59:55.:59:58.

the electorate do not vote the electorate do not vote

:59:58.:59:59.

presently. Perhaps they are fed up presently. Perhaps they are fed up

:59:59.:00:01.

presently. Perhaps they are fed up with the orange and green, and

:00:01.:00:03.

with the orange and green, and with the orange and green, and

:00:03.:00:04.

people always at each other's people always at each other's

:00:04.:00:06.

throats, and nothing constructive throats, and nothing constructive

:00:06.:00:06.

throats, and nothing constructive about welcoming people from all

:00:06.:00:08.

about welcoming people from all about welcoming people from all

:00:08.:00:13.

sections of the community into sections of the community into

:00:13.:00:15.

progressive unionism. Kate, its progressive unionism. Kate, its

:00:15.:00:17.

progressive unionism. Kate, its International women's Day on Friday.

:00:17.:00:18.

International women's Day on Friday. International women's Day on Friday.

:00:18.:00:20.

You chide Women In Business in You chide Women In Business in

:00:20.:00:20.

You chide Women In Business in Northern Ireland. We had a

:00:20.:00:24.

Northern Ireland. We had a significant political figure who

:00:24.:00:24.

significant political figure who significant political figure who

:00:24.:00:27.

significant political figure who happens to be a woman on today.

:00:27.:00:29.

happens to be a woman on today. happens to be a woman on today.

:00:29.:00:31.

Today, do we still need women's Today, do we still need women's

:00:31.:00:33.

organisations and big international organisations and big international

:00:33.:00:35.

organisations and big international events to promote women in society?

:00:35.:00:37.

events to promote women in society? events to promote women in society?

:00:37.:00:38.

Absolutely. Our organisation is only Absolutely. Our organisation is only

:00:38.:00:39.

Absolutely. Our organisation is only Absolutely. Our organisation is only

:00:39.:00:41.

ten years old, and we have grown to ten years old, and we have grown to

:00:41.:00:43.

ten years old, and we have grown to 900 members. That in itself tells

:00:43.:00:45.

900 members. That in itself tells 900 members. That in itself tells

:00:45.:00:46.

900 members. That in itself tells you there is a need for women's

:00:46.:00:47.

you there is a need for women's organisations. International women's

:00:47.:00:50.

organisations. International women's organisations. International women's

:00:50.:00:51.

Day is successful, it draws and Day is successful, it draws and

:00:51.:00:52.

Day is successful, it draws and attracts and celebrates women all

:00:52.:00:54.

attracts and celebrates women all attracts and celebrates women all

:00:54.:00:55.

attracts and celebrates women all over the world to talk about their

:00:55.:00:56.

over the world to talk about their over the world to talk about their

:00:56.:00:58.

achievements. Even in the States, achievements. Even in the States,

:00:58.:00:59.

achievements. Even in the States, they have nominated March as the

:00:59.:01:01.

they have nominated March as the International women's month, so

:01:01.:01:02.

International women's month, so International women's month, so

:01:02.:01:03.

International women's month, so clearly there is still a need.

:01:03.:01:04.

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