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Hello and welcome to Sunday Politics in Northern Ireland. A row | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
over flags wreaks havoc on the streets in weeks scarred by | :37:27. | :37:31. | |
demonstrations and death threats. The Alliance parties in the eye of | :37:31. | :37:35. | |
the storm but there are also divisions within the Ulster | :37:35. | :37:39. | |
Unionists. I'll be asking the party leaders if they can deal with the | :37:39. | :37:45. | |
fall-out from flags. As Hilary drops in to beat a fund farewell to | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
all friends. It is always a pleasure to be with | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
Peter and Martin and applaud their leadership which has been | :37:53. | :38:03. | |
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extraordinary and essential. . It has been a weekend dominated | :38:09. | :38:14. | |
by tensions over flying the flag at city Hall. Writers took to the | :38:15. | :38:19. | |
streets over Belfast on Friday night. On Saturday thousands | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
gathered for a peaceful protest although trouble flared elsewhere | :38:23. | :38:27. | |
afterwards. It is set to dominate the agenda at Stormont tomorrow so | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
is there a possibility of achieving a compromise to satisfy all sides? | :38:33. | :38:37. | |
I am joined by the leaders of the Ulster Unionist Party and the | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
Alliance Party. A very difficult week for you and | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
fellow members of the Alliance Party. Looking back on it, you have | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
no regrets about how you handle the situation Ormond tonight at city | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
Hall? It has also been a difficult week | :38:53. | :38:57. | |
for people who run businesses decide our offices, for innocent | :38:57. | :39:02. | |
children caught up in it, police officers and their families. Let us | :39:02. | :39:10. | |
not forget the others as well. We have had this policy for 10 years. | :39:10. | :39:18. | |
We stuck to it. It is a policy supported by other councils. It is | :39:18. | :39:22. | |
a fair proportion that way to recognise the development of | :39:22. | :39:30. | |
Northern Ireland in wider society. The reason the Alliance Party finds | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
itself in the eye of the storm is because people disagree with this. | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
That is why I think the Unionists who distributed defamatory leaflets | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
and encourage people onto the streets, need to think about the | :39:44. | :39:49. | |
problems they have caused in that towns across Belfast -- across | :39:49. | :39:56. | |
Northern Ireland. Why is it such an issue as far as | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
Belfast city Hall is concerned, when designated days are the case | :40:00. | :40:04. | |
at parliament buildings and other councils, such as Armagh and | :40:04. | :40:09. | |
Lisburn? It is part of a process. The people | :40:09. | :40:14. | |
who took to the streets thing they are losers. I did not think it was | :40:14. | :40:19. | |
helpful to described the decision on Monday night as a clear victory | :40:19. | :40:23. | |
for the Alliance Party. That is not the language of a shared future. | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
For a shared future the victory must be for everybody. If there is | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
a victory people have lost. The people who came out on the streets | :40:32. | :40:39. | |
think they have been lost. People were promised a peace dividend and | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
a economic future and instead they got a double dip recession. They | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
were promised that their Britishness would be ring fastest | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
but they find it being chipped away at time and time again. | :40:52. | :40:56. | |
With respect, you tell burnt that their Britishness is being chipped | :40:56. | :41:02. | |
away at. How is your Britishness being chipped away at? | :41:02. | :41:11. | |
Because the flag is being taken down. Because parks are being | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
renamed. A bus full of workmen., Catholics were told to go home and | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
Protestants were butchered. There is a memorial to them which has | :41:21. | :41:24. | |
been desecrated with the words IRA on top. | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
As a lot of people from the nationalist community had | :41:28. | :41:32. | |
criticised that but there is nothing unique about that or | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
nothing new about that. It has been an issue for many years. | :41:37. | :41:42. | |
That is why there is political failure. As of tomorrow we must be | :41:42. | :41:44. | |
honest with ourselves and the electorate and say that there is a | :41:44. | :41:49. | |
lot we have not delivered on. Dealing with the past is a key | :41:49. | :41:54. | |
issue. It could be the Achilles heel of the peace process. We have | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
to be honest and say we will not deliver it next week, next month or | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
during the mandate of this Assembly. We need to look at the long-term | :42:03. | :42:08. | |
objectives, such as a single education system. It is not a | :42:08. | :42:15. | |
threat to the Catholic sector. What do you say to them what the | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
leaders of the loyalist community saved when they believe their | :42:20. | :42:24. | |
Britishness has been diminished by what happened on Monday night? | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
I think we need to get away from discussing how many days a flag | :42:28. | :42:36. | |
flies on Belfast city Hall. If there was an issue we are a victory | :42:36. | :42:39. | |
for the Alliance Party on Monday night it was because we put forward | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
a compromise and an alternative to the nationalists recommendation of | :42:43. | :42:49. | |
no flight whatsoever. I believe by giving that compromise it gave the | :42:49. | :42:54. | |
opportunity for people to accept it, just as Unionists have accepted it | :42:54. | :42:59. | |
in other counties. We need to stop feeding the notion that taking the | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
flak damage chipping away it British identity. We have an | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
agreement since 1998 which were supported by the overwhelming | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
majority of people. It has brought in the majority people who | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
disagreed with it. We recognise this is a divided society. There | :43:17. | :43:23. | |
are significant differences between our communities and we need to do a | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
lot more about building a shared future. When I see the antics of | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
some of his councillors, I'm not sure they believe in a shared | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
future. Where are we on the broader shared | :43:35. | :43:41. | |
future issue? We are supposed to be receiving a document soon from the | :43:41. | :43:46. | |
First Minister and Deputy firm Minister soon. According to Naomi | :43:46. | :43:52. | |
long, the events of the last week have and it does back several years. | :43:52. | :43:59. | |
We all look forward to the publisher of the intentions -- the | :43:59. | :44:04. | |
publication of the document of intentions. It will take a long | :44:04. | :44:10. | |
time. The toxic legacy of the Troubles, the sectarianism of, is | :44:10. | :44:15. | |
not getting any better. We need to be honest and say we have a long | :44:15. | :44:21. | |
way to go. Hillary Clinton is here this week and we have been | :44:21. | :44:25. | |
emphasising how far we have come since she came here with Bill | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
Clinton. That is true but we have gone nowhere in tackling things | :44:29. | :44:37. | |
like child poverty, multiple deprivation and child -- and | :44:37. | :44:43. | |
sectarianism. To me not have to take a point here and give a lead | :44:43. | :44:48. | |
as a democratically-elected politicians and say to people who | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
are protesting, this was a democratic vote. | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
The councillors were elected to take this decision and that is how | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
they voted. We must respect that decision. | :45:00. | :45:06. | |
This is a time for strategy not knee-jerk reaction. What we have | :45:06. | :45:11. | |
seen on the streets was a prawn and not brains. | :45:11. | :45:19. | |
If this is such a huge issue, why is it that during the public | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
consultation there were took public meetings, on Thursday 13th | :45:23. | :45:29. | |
September, or one in the afternoon and evening. Three people turned up. | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
Two in the afternoon and one in the evening. Have come only three | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
people turned up to talk about this important issue and suddenly we see | :45:37. | :45:42. | |
thousands on the street? Do you know how many people turn up | :45:42. | :45:48. | |
for public consultations on cohesion at? Less than one per cent | :45:48. | :45:53. | |
of the population. A lot more than three. | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
How do you deal with the disparity between the number of people | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
turning up to a public consultation and the number at appearing on the | :46:01. | :46:06. | |
streets to demonstrate? I have already referred to the | :46:06. | :46:11. | |
inflammatory leaflets which have led to a death threat. That is in | :46:11. | :46:17. | |
reality of the campaign. If we are going to talk about cohesion, | :46:17. | :46:23. | |
sharing and integration, there were 180 detailed considered responses | :46:23. | :46:27. | |
from organisations across the Community, virtually all of which | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
pans the draft which came in and called for a different strategy. | :46:32. | :46:39. | |
The public is engaged. I feel the need to ask about that | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
leaflet. Was it a mistake for the Ulster Unionist Party to support | :46:43. | :46:53. | |
the publication of 40,000 leaflets? We urged people to demonstrate in a | :46:53. | :46:58. | |
respectful manner. Which clearly has not happened. | :46:58. | :47:02. | |
The last line of the leaflet suggests you know what the reaction | :47:02. | :47:06. | |
is going to be. If you have to print please be respectful, you | :47:06. | :47:14. | |
know what the outcome might be. I do not micro manage. We have 98 | :47:14. | :47:22. | |
councillors. I do not micro manager them. We reaffirmed our support for | :47:22. | :47:26. | |
the council group in Belfast city Council in opposing the change to | :47:26. | :47:32. | |
flying the flag every day. Do not mess with people's identity. When | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
Republicans did not like the way their identity was abuse, thousands | :47:35. | :47:40. | |
of people died. Here is messing with people's | :47:40. | :47:45. | |
identity? People have a right to their identity. The city Council | :47:45. | :47:50. | |
took a democratic, lawful, compromise decision. | :47:50. | :47:54. | |
People see it in a continuous process. | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
That is because you inflamed that due. | :47:58. | :48:04. | |
I do not believe I am inflaming anything. You have to reflect way | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
you are and the views of people whether they are right or | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
perceptions. You must acknowledge them. | :48:10. | :48:14. | |
You can give leadership and Countdown concerns. | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
I edged people not take to the streets yesterday. | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
But you have also acknowledge that you feel their Britishness is being | :48:22. | :48:27. | |
chipped away. They want someone to reflect that | :48:27. | :48:31. | |
perception. People feel disenfranchised and are looking for | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
leadership. Let me ask you about that Executive | :48:34. | :48:43. | |
before we bring in our commentators. As we understand it, three Ulster | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
Unionist Belfast city councillors said that if Basil McCrae, who | :48:46. | :48:56. | |
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spoke publicly in support of the flak, -- in support of removing the | :48:57. | :49:06. | |
flak, wanted him removed. We have a process in play. | :49:06. | :49:11. | |
Which means of? We have a process in play. These | :49:11. | :49:17. | |
issues are internal. If Basil says he supports the position of the | :49:17. | :49:22. | |
Alliance Party. That is he was speaking. I speak as part of the | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
Ulster Unionist Party. And you do not have a broad church | :49:26. | :49:30. | |
within the party? He cannot express his you if it does not agree with | :49:30. | :49:36. | |
the view of the leadership? I have to react to what the three | :49:36. | :49:42. | |
Belfast councillors have asked me. He you could say no. | :49:42. | :49:47. | |
Would it suit you very well if Basil was to lock sticks and leave | :49:47. | :49:52. | |
the party? Basil is a very talented politician. | :49:52. | :49:56. | |
But he does not often agree with what you say which does not help | :49:56. | :49:59. | |
you? I do not think that is entirely | :49:59. | :50:05. | |
true. Let us bring in our commentators. | :50:05. | :50:10. | |
They have worked in the field of community relations for many years. | :50:10. | :50:15. | |
Where are we at the moment in terms of community relations? | :50:15. | :50:21. | |
I think it is pretty horrific. It is 15 years since the agreement in | :50:21. | :50:26. | |
which I understood week signed up to multiple identities under | :50:26. | :50:30. | |
British sovereignty at the moment. It seems it is OK to threaten and | :50:30. | :50:36. | |
bomb people, or still people think it is OK to threaten and on people, | :50:36. | :50:42. | |
in a context of voting for arrangements instalment. That is a | :50:42. | :50:47. | |
low level to be at 15 years after agreement. I do not know if people | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
are saying they did not know this, why people 15 years after the | :50:52. | :50:57. | |
agreement they do not know what they signed up to, there needs to | :50:57. | :51:02. | |
be a clear understanding. This is a United Kingdom and a shared society | :51:02. | :51:07. | |
and the task at hand here is to actually built that shared society | :51:07. | :51:12. | |
in a way that is respect for of everybody. That is the peace | :51:12. | :51:16. | |
process. The fact we are still discussing this strikes me as | :51:16. | :51:21. | |
bizarre and horrifying. There are people whose lives are at risk | :51:21. | :51:25. | |
behind this now. You have taken an academic interest | :51:25. | :51:31. | |
in this, what is your assessment of this predicament? | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
It has been a difficult week but no one said it would be easy. It is at | :51:36. | :51:41. | |
moments like this that you look for leadership. You do see those sparks | :51:41. | :51:45. | |
of leadership, for instance when Martin McGuinness and Peter | :51:45. | :51:50. | |
Robinson are in Washington, we hear speeches I would like to hear back | :51:50. | :51:55. | |
here, where they seek -- a say things about supporting each other | :51:55. | :52:03. | |
over these difficulties. To hear that it sounds great but it has to | :52:03. | :52:09. | |
be put into action. I do think when I hear things like beer and failure | :52:09. | :52:14. | |
and friction, it can set us backwards and you do not react to | :52:14. | :52:18. | |
it when you are in a position of political leadership. Leadership | :52:18. | :52:22. | |
means going ahead each time and taking a risk each time to bring | :52:22. | :52:26. | |
your people to way you want them to be. This past week has been | :52:26. | :52:32. | |
disappointing from that point of view. The agreements did I say it | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
recognise our Britishness and Darryl Irishness. You could be both | :52:35. | :52:42. | |
or neither or either. When we sat down to discuss the flags issue in | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
that first Assembly, there were all kinds of decisions about the number | :52:46. | :52:53. | |
of flights. I do think at that time the decision was that this was at | :52:53. | :53:02. | |
the accommodation. Nobody actually seem to understand the decision. It | :53:02. | :53:07. | |
was accepted that compromise is sometimes a strength, not a | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
weakness. A final comment from the two | :53:10. | :53:15. | |
politicians who have joined us this morning. What do you think can be | :53:15. | :53:20. | |
done tomorrow at Stormont to try to fix this? | :53:20. | :53:25. | |
Hillary Clinton said it on Friday and Monica has said it today. | :53:25. | :53:30. | |
Compromise is a strength not a weakness. The motion we tabled was | :53:30. | :53:34. | |
attempting to put something we could all unite around in support | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
of democratic politics and those who had suffered. We were committed | :53:38. | :53:43. | |
to moving forward to debt -- together. | :53:43. | :53:49. | |
We do you agree with that? I came into politics to talk about | :53:49. | :53:54. | |
education, health and housing. Identity is an important issue and | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
we need to say something you will put everyone at ease. Everybody | :53:58. | :54:02. | |
needs to be content in their own skin and with everybody else been | :54:02. | :54:07. | |
content in their own skin. We will see what happens tomorrow | :54:07. | :54:16. | |
at Stormont. Find you for joining us this morning. | :54:17. | :54:22. | |
She was welcomes back with open arms and there is no surprise in | :54:22. | :54:27. | |
that. Hillary Clinton stopped by on Friday. She has been a frequent | :54:27. | :54:34. | |
visitor since she first came here in the 1990s with her husband, Bill. | :54:34. | :54:44. | |
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The President has just stepped onto Working with the women of Northern | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
Ireland has been one of the greatest privileges of my lifetime. | :55:13. | :55:23. | |
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I will always be there as a friend Just a reminder of some of her | :55:46. | :55:51. | |
visits to Northern Ireland in the past. You brushed past me at one | :55:52. | :55:57. | |
point on Friday just as Hillary Clinton was arriving. You met her | :55:57. | :56:00. | |
privately. What did she say about the Northern Ireland she has come | :56:00. | :56:06. | |
to know and love and which is not out of the woods yet? | :56:06. | :56:11. | |
She was very upbeat. She is used to travelling in conflicted societies | :56:11. | :56:15. | |
around the world. She was focusing on the bigger picture and the way | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
forward. It was lovely to hear her stake that she was going to stay | :56:19. | :56:27. | |
with us in this project. -- to hear her say. She was wonderfully | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
sympathetic to the people she met. She met the family of the | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
disappeared. She knew there were well and personally. That is the | :56:35. | :56:40. | |
kind of woman she is and it is incredible in a country of one. 7 | :56:40. | :56:43. | |
million people that this is her 7th visit. | :56:43. | :56:49. | |
A lot of people would agree with that. We may need help navigating | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
the stormy waters we have been discussing. | :56:52. | :56:57. | |
The difficulty is that all the progress has been made in context | :56:57. | :57:03. | |
of support from outside. Hillary Clinton has been one of our | :57:03. | :57:07. | |
big supporters. One and the sad truth is that every time we are | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
left in a room by ourselves we do not make the progress we do with | :57:10. | :57:16. | |
the support of the outside world. If we need that it is good to have | :57:16. | :57:19. | |
people who know the situation like Hillary Clinton. I do not know if | :57:19. | :57:26. | |
we can rely on that but it is a massive support. | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
When there is no external presence it does seem that the go back into | :57:29. | :57:35. | |
our bonkers. We seem to prefer to concede to | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
eight international coalition, or rather than it to face each other. | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
We have not got the politics which gives us that yet. | :57:43. | :57:48. | |
Do you think she will will run for the White House in 2016? | :57:48. | :57:53. | |
She did not give anyone an answer to that. Can you imagine how tired | :57:53. | :57:58. | |
she was be at the moment? She wants to take time out and reflect. Who | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
would have thought she would have run for the Senate after being | :58:02. | :58:07. | |
First Lady? She did and one and came back. She made a great speech | :58:07. | :58:14. | |
in Denver in defeat. It is a real sign of leadership. The Women Of | :58:14. | :58:16. | |
Northern Ireland said to her yesterday that they would be out | :58:16. | :58:20. | |
with her if she did decide to run because they do hold her in such | :58:20. | :58:25. | |
high esteem. Thank you very much indeed. Let us | :58:25. | :58:35. | |
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pause for a moment and reflect on M L Hayes who missed question-time | :58:38. | :58:45. | |
but a telling off but the Speaker was not prepared to listen. | :58:45. | :58:50. | |
We sometimes have confession time and I do allow that for some | :58:50. | :58:55. | |
reasons. People can conquer forward and confess their sins. | :58:55. | :59:02. | |
Councillors in Belfast voted to stop flying the Union flag all year | :59:02. | :59:05. | |
round. Divisive, destructive and | :59:05. | :59:07. | |
disrespectful. An Alliance Party office was | :59:07. | :59:13. | |
attacked, so too were the homes of two councillors and a death threat | :59:13. | :59:19. | |
for a leading representative. Plans to build a cross border bridge were | :59:19. | :59:24. | |
questioned by some Unionists but campaigners told them to back off. | :59:24. | :59:28. | |
There is scaremongering within the T U P about this project and the | :59:28. | :59:34. | |
need to stop scaremongering. And motorists got a boost as the | :59:34. | :59:39. | |
Chancellor scrapped a 3p a fuel duty increase. | :59:39. | :59:45. | |
Stephen Walker with the week in 60 seconds. A final thought from | :59:45. | :59:50. | |
Duncan. Can we change the mood tomorrow? | :59:50. | :59:56. | |
Politicians instalment must set the agenda tomorrow. -- politicians | :59:56. | :00:00. |