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Coming up on Sunday Politics in Northern Ireland - Alex Maskey on | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
issues raised at Sinn Fein's weekend ard fheis in Castlebar. And | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
is it time for the Civic Forum to make a comeback? Join me in half an | :01:26. | :01:36. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2180 seconds | :01:36. | :37:57. | |
Hello and welcome to Sunday Politics in Northern Ireland. It | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
was into the west for Sinn Fein this weekend as the party held its | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
annual Ard Fheis in County Mayo. Staged at the Royal Theatre in | :38:04. | :38:06. | |
Castlebar, some 2000 delegates last night heard the party president, | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
Gerry Adams, mark his thirtieth year in charge with a promise to | :38:09. | :38:16. | |
continue to build alliances with unionists and loyalists. We'll be | :38:16. | :38:20. | |
picking up on that theme along with some of the others raised in the | :38:20. | :38:24. | |
course of the conference with Alex Maskey who is with me in the studio. | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
And remember this? The Civic Forum - costly talking shop or vital link | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
with the society? Whatever you think, is now the right time to | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
bring it back? Joining me to discuss that and more | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
are Liam Clarke, the Political Editor of the Belfast Telegraph, | :38:37. | :38:47. | |
and the journalist and commentator Fionnuala O Connor. | :38:47. | :38:50. | |
The weather didn't quite manage to top the soaring temperatures in | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
Killarney for last year's Ard Fheis - but the agenda for this year's | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
conference touched on a number of familiar themes including | :38:55. | :38:57. | |
continuing dialogue with loyalists and unionists. Here's our | :38:57. | :39:06. | |
correspondent, Shane Harrison. Castlebar in the heart of County | :39:06. | :39:15. | |
Mayo. The political base where this party holds four of the five seats. | :39:15. | :39:21. | |
A Sinn Fein is to continue growing, it will have to do so in places | :39:21. | :39:27. | |
like this in the West. That is why this year ard fehis attracted the | :39:27. | :39:32. | |
party faithful and some new. would like to take this opportunity | :39:32. | :39:42. | |
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to welcome a representative of all three British... The shadow British | :39:43. | :39:49. | |
Secretary of State, a member of the Labour Party. I am very pleased to | :39:49. | :39:53. | |
have been asked. It was a significant moment for me. I | :39:53. | :39:59. | |
understand it to be the first British shake-up -- Shadow | :39:59. | :40:06. | |
Secretary of state to be invited to the conference. Anti-abortion | :40:06. | :40:16. | |
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campaigners picketed the conference. They say they are not pro-life. It | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
allows for abortion. But the party believes the option to terminate | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
should be available in cases of rape, incest and sexual abuse or | :40:29. | :40:36. | |
where a woman's life is in danger. As for free will as far elected | :40:36. | :40:41. | |
representatives, they said, no way. Sinn Fein is a party that is not | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
afraid to take on challenges. It is not a collection of independence. | :40:45. | :40:54. | |
We consistently criticise our opponents. Although beaten in the | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
vote by the leadership, some suggested abortion was the main | :40:58. | :41:04. | |
issue the party has faced since it started on the peace process. | :41:04. | :41:11. | |
can sit here all weekend, but it is a sad state of affairs that the | :41:11. | :41:19. | |
Tory party and Cameron will allow a free vote on the marriage. They in | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
his leadership speech, Gerry Adams said it was essential an imperative | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
that Republicans try to build alliances with working-class | :41:27. | :41:34. | |
loyalists and Unionists about social and economic issues. He said | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
Republicans should not shirk away from their obligations to those who | :41:37. | :41:47. | |
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died as a result because -- he says cause the conflict. I am prepared | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
to meet the victim's families in the state debt they think this will | :41:52. | :41:58. | |
be helpful. Before leaving County Mayo, delegates voted to call on | :41:58. | :42:04. | |
Alex Attwood to find a more up suitable name for the Royal | :42:04. | :42:12. | |
shopping Exchange development in north Belfast. The vote took place | :42:12. | :42:20. | |
in Castlebar's Royal Theatre. Joining me now is Sinn Fein's Alex | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
Maskey. Gerry Adams talked in his speech last night about the | :42:23. | :42:25. | |
importance of continuing dialogue with unionists and loyalists. | :42:25. | :42:28. | |
They're not going to go away, he said & Sinn Fein doesn't want them | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
to. But Martin McGuinness talked about unionists being inward- | :42:30. | :42:39. | |
looking and intransigent. So which is it? You got the impression that | :42:39. | :42:47. | |
abortion was a divisive issue. There was a farm mood of optimism | :42:47. | :42:57. | |
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about the future. The North was being held up as a shining example. | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
The several speakers boasted of we have stopped water charges in the | :43:03. | :43:09. | |
north. Northern Ministers talked about the achievements there, it is | :43:09. | :43:14. | |
being held up as an example of what Sinn Fein can do, which was a bit | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
of a change of what we think of Stormont. What about the mixed | :43:18. | :43:25. | |
message in that people pointed out? Gerry Adams talking about | :43:25. | :43:31. | |
continuing dialogue with Unionists and loyalists. Martin McGuinness | :43:31. | :43:41. | |
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told to bet -- talked about stepping up to the plate. I do not | :43:41. | :43:51. | |
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think anybody would see that as a message at all. The supporters was | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
that this is what the party should be doing. Gerry and Martin have to | :43:58. | :44:04. | |
keep reaching out and say we want a further reconciliation. But | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
Unionists are not doing their bit and Unionists are putting us back. | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
They are always saying there is no reason to reconcile. I do not think | :44:14. | :44:19. | |
that sense a mixed message at all. There is a two audience there. | :44:19. | :44:25. | |
There is the wider audience who are also paying attention to what is | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
happening. They might see that as a mixed message. Her they might see | :44:29. | :44:37. | |
that as that. Sinn Fein is working very hard to reach out. There is a | :44:37. | :44:45. | |
limited sector of them that will talk to them. I don't think they | :44:45. | :44:55. | |
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are at all worried about saying this. It is the other way round, if | :44:56. | :45:04. | |
there is a mixed message to the, Martin McGuinness wants to say | :45:04. | :45:14. | |
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Peter Robinson has not been sharing. There are unionists, we have heard | :45:15. | :45:25. | |
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them saying it, do not stock about reaching out. Sinn Fein would say | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
the Unionists are the ones who are refusing to move forward. You did | :45:34. | :45:44. | |
sense frustration from Martin McGuinness. The message was that he | :45:44. | :45:51. | |
believes Unionists lacked confidence. They are not coming for | :45:51. | :45:55. | |
words. I do not get a sense it was any threat of pulling out of | :45:55. | :46:01. | |
Government. He just said, we need to do business more quickly and | :46:01. | :46:07. | |
more efficiently. What about some of the other issues that were in | :46:07. | :46:13. | |
the background? Like for example, Economics north and south, welfare | :46:13. | :46:17. | |
and changes that are happening in Northern Ireland. And of course the | :46:17. | :46:23. | |
abortion debate. We saw that in the report there. These are big things | :46:23. | :46:32. | |
for Sinn Fein. I do not think they are giving them that much trouble. | :46:32. | :46:40. | |
There was a debate, there is division regarding abortion. It is | :46:40. | :46:47. | |
not something that will tear them apart. I think there is an attitude | :46:47. | :46:53. | |
of we must be compassionate. It fits very well with the general | :46:53. | :47:03. | |
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feeling in the south. I think Sinn Fein have this luxury of being in | :47:11. | :47:19. | |
opposition, they can move back and forward on various issues. There is | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
very little opposition in the south, I think, for bashing them for what | :47:23. | :47:30. | |
they say. They can do that will the cows come home and not be | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
criticised by the people they want to reach. High what about those | :47:33. | :47:41. | |
issues, Economics? On economics, the main focus was on the economy | :47:41. | :47:50. | |
of the South. They held up the north as an example of what Sinn | :47:50. | :47:54. | |
Fein can do in Government to stabilise the economy. They send | :47:54. | :48:03. | |
out a signal that they would do some reform on the Bedroom Tax. | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
Abortion I think is a serious issue because it is the sort of issue | :48:08. | :48:17. | |
that people will vote on. You might not agree with them on education, | :48:17. | :48:27. | |
but you could agree with them on abortion. We are joined now by Alex | :48:27. | :48:32. | |
Maskey. There you were down in the conference, you picked up on some | :48:32. | :48:39. | |
of the issues dealt with there. Gerry Adams talked about the | :48:39. | :48:45. | |
continuing need for discussion. We heard Martin McGuinness talking | :48:45. | :48:48. | |
about Unionists being inward- looking and intransigent. Which is | :48:48. | :48:58. | |
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it? It is both, actually. There are a lot of people within Unionism | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
across society who know that there has to be dialogue and want to have | :49:08. | :49:18. | |
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dialogue. NI recent attempts over last year to have dialogue around | :49:20. | :49:30. | |
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reconciliation, we do not believe... Sinn Fein talks the top, but | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
doesn't walk the walk. You say you want to work with Unionists, you | :49:37. | :49:41. | |
want engagement. Then you adopt what they regard a belligerent | :49:41. | :49:51. | |
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attitude. We think our position on the flanks is consistent. -- flaks. | :49:57. | :50:07. | |
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-- flags. That is the purpose of having a dialogue. The T U P was | :50:15. | :50:25. | |
meant to argue it around the Good Friday Agreement. -- DUP. It | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
compels the parties in both governments to deal with the issue | :50:28. | :50:38. | |
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of flax. -- flags. Equality is at the cornerstone of the Good Friday | :50:42. | :50:47. | |
Agreement. That was a tricky issue for you or party to navigate over | :50:47. | :50:54. | |
the weekend, given it is such up divisive issue both north and south. | :50:54. | :50:59. | |
You are not a pro-abortion party, but nobody said you are pro-choice. | :50:59. | :51:07. | |
I think the debate on that question on the weekend was appropriate. I | :51:07. | :51:13. | |
think the recent arguments, and scandalous debate in the north | :51:13. | :51:23. | |
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around the Assembly debate, it was to exploit the issue. The party | :51:30. | :51:38. | |
rejected that motion. The party has a very settled view. There are | :51:38. | :51:42. | |
people in it who are very pro-life and there. They have spoken | :51:42. | :51:50. | |
publicly. There are people in our party who have views on abortion in | :51:50. | :51:56. | |
the same way that people in every other walk of life in Ireland. When | :51:56. | :52:03. | |
I hear people talking, it is an issue of conscience for every | :52:03. | :52:11. | |
person. People have a pinions and every party, but the clear debate | :52:11. | :52:19. | |
at the weekend shows that we have a settled view on it. Her let's talk | :52:19. | :52:22. | |
about the welfare issues that we have discussed on his programme | :52:22. | :52:27. | |
before. Her you are in Government in Northern Ireland, you are | :52:27. | :52:35. | |
commenting on austerity measures. We will argue, we are a Government | :52:35. | :52:40. | |
in the north that doesn't have tax raising powers which we want to | :52:40. | :52:49. | |
have transferred here. We are operating a Government were we have | :52:49. | :52:58. | |
had �4 billion taken away from our Government. We have the ministerial | :52:58. | :53:07. | |
influence and that cuts across the programme for Government. On only | :53:07. | :53:12. | |
on one issue, that is the Spare Room Subsidy, has your party | :53:12. | :53:19. | |
threatened to use, promised to use, a petition of concern. We might do | :53:19. | :53:26. | |
that. I have had a number of bilateral with a number of people | :53:26. | :53:33. | |
from other parties, we made it clear that there are issues of | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
welfare reform that we are not going to support and we are not | :53:37. | :53:47. | |
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going to except. Give me an example of another issue of where you might | :53:48. | :53:57. | |
use the Petition of concern? There are issues around disability | :53:57. | :54:03. | |
entitlements which the British Government want to take away 20%. | :54:03. | :54:11. | |
That is a real conversation you are having within the party? Absolutely. | :54:11. | :54:16. | |
This kind of austerity has been imposed on us by London. This | :54:16. | :54:24. | |
battle is not over yet. We will leave it there. Thank you very much | :54:24. | :54:30. | |
for joining us. Tributes to Baroness Thatcher, | :54:30. | :54:33. | |
tough talking from the Secretary of State and the troubled A5 dual | :54:33. | :54:36. | |
carriageway project. It's all in the week in 60 seconds, with Gareth | :54:36. | :54:46. | |
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Gordon. Baroness Thatcher's debt -- death | :54:47. | :54:53. | |
is marked by the divisions in her life. I am in the despatch box | :54:53. | :55:03. | |
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making positive remarks. Others held street parties to the | :55:04. | :55:14. | |
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displeasure of Martin McGuinness. It is not something I would do. | :55:15. | :55:19. | |
Government warned that the economic package could be withdrawn if | :55:19. | :55:24. | |
progress was not being made. If we cannot agree, it is a fact that we | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
may not be able to deliver some of the things we have been talking | :55:27. | :55:32. | |
about. Which could also apply to the troubled a five dual- | :55:32. | :55:42. | |
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carriageway project between two towns. | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
Fifteen years on from the signing of the Good Friday Agreement, the | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
Assembly has supported a motion by the SDLP calling on the First and | :55:53. | :55:56. | |
Deputy First Ministers to reconvene the Civic Forum. The body was set | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
up to allow people from outside the political world to influence | :55:59. | :56:01. | |
decision-making over social, economic and cultural issues. It | :56:01. | :56:08. | |
was suspended along with the devolved institutions in 2002. | :56:08. | :56:11. | |
Unionists are not happy the motion squeaked through by one vote - many | :56:11. | :56:15. | |
of them say it was a costly talking shop. Community worker Alan McBride | :56:15. | :56:22. | |
was a member of the Forum between 2000 and 2002 - and he joins me now. | :56:23. | :56:28. | |
Thank you for joining us. Do you think it is an organisation they | :56:28. | :56:33. | |
should be brought back and does have an contribution to make? | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
not think it ever achieved its potential because when it was put | :56:37. | :56:47. | |
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in place in 2002, I think that the idea of bringing other voices from | :56:48. | :56:57. | |
civic society to be a rotten, is a good idea. It should be something | :56:57. | :57:03. | |
that should be thought more about. Does it need to be established as a | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
Civic Forum when individuals are Brotton, when there is a | :57:06. | :57:12. | |
significant cost to the public purse? There is a cost to their | :57:12. | :57:22. | |
public purse. It does cost money to set the thing up. Depending on how | :57:22. | :57:27. | |
you set it up, we could save money. We might not need to go to big | :57:27. | :57:32. | |
fancy hotels for meetings. We could go to community centres, there are | :57:32. | :57:38. | |
ways to save money. In terms of working out whether it will because | :57:38. | :57:42. | |
they are not, it should be about what it achieves and delivers. | :57:42. | :57:47. | |
you aware of other individuals like you come into contact with as you | :57:47. | :57:57. | |
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work -- through your work as a community worker, who feel that | :57:58. | :58:07. | |
this would be of value? Absolutely. If you had people around a table | :58:07. | :58:12. | |
from the business community, from the church is talking about issues, | :58:12. | :58:16. | |
something could come from that which could make a difference. | :58:16. | :58:22. | |
have a public debate, you have it on the air ways and newspapers. To | :58:22. | :58:26. | |
have those public debates, their argument seems to be, we'll listen | :58:26. | :58:30. | |
to people who vote to us, we'll listen to these organisations, we | :58:30. | :58:35. | |
do not need to set up a separate forum to do that because it was not | :58:35. | :58:39. | |
successful the last time. It did not go far enough to let it run its | :58:39. | :58:47. | |
course. It was not just a talking shop. Those things had to run their | :58:47. | :58:54. | |
course and could have achieved positive things in Northern Ireland. | :58:54. | :59:02. | |
There was a view on the Civic Forum was -- and there was no desire to | :59:02. | :59:09. | |
see a reconstituted. Do you think there was a change in view? I think | :59:09. | :59:17. | |
there is a potential for it to achieve something. The idea, the | :59:18. | :59:22. | |
concept, I think is still a good concept. Her thank you very much | :59:22. | :59:29. | |
were coming in. Picking up on what Alan had to say, | :59:29. | :59:38. | |
do you think it is something that would contribute? An irate bomb | :59:38. | :59:48. | |
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killed Alan's relatives. -- IRA. It is two big parties that run the | :59:53. | :59:59. | |
show. It is not something they would want. That was a bad time to | :59:59. | :00:08. | |
give it a try in the first place. To talk about practical things is | :00:08. | :00:11. | |
one of the few ways we are going to have any kind of reconciliation | :00:11. | :00:18. | |
here. It will give more victims and bereaved people a voice, what could | :00:18. | :00:26. | |
be wrong? Asking you about looking ahead, there is the funeral of | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
Margaret Thatcher. Is that likely to continue to dominate the | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
political discussions? Her I think it will dominate the agenda with | :00:35. | :00:44. | |
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