15/09/2013 Sunday Politics Northern Ireland


15/09/2013

Andrew Neil and Mark Carruthers with the latest political news. With Shadow Business Secretary Chuka Umunna and former Lib Dem leader Paddy Ashdown.


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after the summer recess, and the party conference season is already

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upon us. First, the Liberal Democrats. Have a great conference.

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Nick Clegg has some convincing to do, according to our very own Sunday

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Politics poll, his troops don't like his coalition bedmates. The latest

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poll of the country also has the Lib Dems languishing behind UKIP in

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fourth place, with only 9%. Paddy Ashdown! So can the Lib Dems

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claw their way back, come the election in 2015? We will talking to

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former leader, now the party's general election commander-in-chief,

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Paddy Ashdown. George Osborne is a happy bunny

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Coming up in Northern Ireland: these days,

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Coming up in Northern Ireland: Sorting flags, parading and the

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past. Sorting flags, parading and the

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Can Richard Haas succeed where Sorting flags, parading and the

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others have failed? We'll hear from Sorting flags, parading and the

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the DUP and Sinn Fein. Join Sorting flags, parading and the

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now heading for the exit. We will hear from Nick Clegg

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now heading for the exit. We will the DUP and Sinn Fein. Join me just

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now heading for the exit. We will hear from Nick Clegg on what it

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signifies. And freshly showered from the Great

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North Run and looking as fresh as daisies, the best and brightest

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political panel in the business. Janan Ganesh, Helen Lewis and Iain

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Martin, who will be tweeting throughout the programme.

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Now, their leader is our Deputy Prime Minister. They are the junior

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partners of our coalition government. They like the colour

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yellow and they have not won a general election since dinosaurs

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walked the earth. Now they are behind UKIP in the polls, so as the

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party gathers for its annual bash this year in Glasgow, what is on

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their mind? Who are the people gathering at the Clyde this weekend?

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their mind? Who are the people Before they started drinking, we

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surveyed 580 Liberal Democrat councillors in England and Wales,

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with the help of some pollsters, comrade. The first question we asked

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was, if the next election results in a hung parliament, which team would

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you rather go into coalition with, the Reds or the blues? Lib Dem

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councillors said Labour, two to one. the Reds or the blues? Lib Dem

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Tories or Labour? It is not for us the Reds or the blues? Lib Dem

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to say. It is for the voters to say. We will decide depending on

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what the voters tell us. Your councillors favoured a coalition

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with Labour. Well, is on the table. Who would you

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rather play table football against? I would rather play against you,

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because I am winning. So in the Lib Dems shop, which policies are

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winning 's which ones are heading for the bargain bin? The most

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winning 's which ones are heading popular policy was a mansion tax on

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house is worth more than £2 million, popular policy was a mansion tax on

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which was supported by 80 -- 86% of councillors. The next most popular

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policy was scrapping the Trident nuclear deterrent, supported by 72%

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of councillors. Then there was the reinstatement of the 50p top rate of

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income tax. 70% of councillors like the look of that. When it came to

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the idea of banning the burka in public places like schools and

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airports, 45% of councillors were in favour. Finally, a ban on topless

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Page three model is won the support of 33% of councillors. Why is it so

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popular, the idea of a mansion tax? It is a much fairer tax. We know

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there are people out there with very expensive houses. Which of these is

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most important to you? Banning Trident. The cold war ended in

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1989. Another one was the idea of banning the burka in public places.

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No, I feel people should wear whatever they like. If they want to

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No, I feel people should wear wear the birth or a kilt or if they

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want to be naked or not wear anything. We are the party of jobs.

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Thank you. Last night, a fully clothed Nick Clegg rallied his

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troops, but if he was not around, who would Lib Dem councillors want

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instead? Business Secretary Vince Cable was most popular, with a third

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of the votes. In second place, the party's president, Tim Farron, with

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27%. 10% went to Danny Alexander, Chief Secretary to the Treasury,

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while the business minister Joe Swinson received 7%. The Energy

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Secretary Ed Davey scooped 6%, and in last place, Steve Webb, the

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pensions minister, who got 5%. If any of these councillors want to

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talk to me about it, I would be delighted to hear from them. Is that

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a bid for a leadership campaign? It certainly isn't. What do you think

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of these? That is quite a collection. These are the

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contenders. But our survey is not the only one that has got tongues

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wagging in Glasgow, because the Lib Dem leadership have commissioned

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their own poll which showed that 75% Dem leadership have commissioned

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of the country will never vote Dem leadership have commissioned

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the party, no matter what they do. Also meeting here this weekend, this

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the party, no matter what they do. group of bikers. But Liberal

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Democrats like to think they have got just as much va-va-voom, even if

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a big chunk of the country doesn't. Add, back in his hometown. So, the

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Lib Dems are on 9% in the polls. Much of their party thinks they are

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moving in the wrong direction. Earlier, I spoke to former party

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moving in the wrong direction. leader Paddy Ashdown. He has been

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put in charge of heading up the 2015 election campaign. I asked him if

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the mood in Glasgow was grim. No. In many ways, as you know, Tory old

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commentator that you are just as I am a hoary old member at the other

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end of the camera, we have been there, done that and got the

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T-shirt. Where you are in the midterm of a government, especially

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when you are in government and the country is going for in a deep

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economic crisis, has almost no relevance to where you might be when

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the nipple come to consider how they will vote in 600 days time -- when

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the people come to consider how they will vote. We do not dismiss polls,

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but they are a snapshot of what is happening now and give little

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indication of where we will be. My guess is, for what it is worth, that

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as we come to the election, the public will be in a very serious,

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probably frightened mood. Their main public will be in a very serious,

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thoughts will be, who maintains my job, makes sure I don't have to pay

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thoughts will be, who maintains my to higher mortgage? The coalition

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has delivered not only the required policies to make Britain's economy

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prosperous, but also its society fair. That is what people will want

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to see. I think coalition politics are here to stay and we have a role

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to play in it. But you are in a grim mood this morning. You tweeted that

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you were not happy with how the Observer newspaper handled your

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interview. What was the problem? Is there anything we can do to help?

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There is probably something they could do to help. I have no

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arguments with the interview. The headline they chose to put on it

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late last night was outrageous, misrepresentative and in one case in

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accurate. What was the headline? Something about Ashdown wants a

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coalition with the Tories, or at Something about Ashdown wants a

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least they gave that in for us -- inference. Let me make this point.

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We are coming up to the next election. I am in charge of the

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campaign. Any journalist who in these next two years says that any

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Liberal Democrat prefers anything else in terms of the outcome of a

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coalition but the result of the ballot box dictating that outcome,

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that any prefer one side to another over and they want to see a

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coalition determined by the electors over and they want to see a

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in the votes, will get a bloody hard time from me, no matter who they

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are. We take the warning. A survey of Lib Dem councillors shows that in

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the event of another hung parliament, only 16% of your

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the event of another hung councillors want to renew the

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coalition with the Tories. That is a councillors want to renew the

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clear sign that your activists want a change of direction. I don't think

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it is news that as a left-wing party, we find it more congenial

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with those on the left wing, but that is not the issue. You saw it

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was not the issue at the last election. We are servants of the

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ballot box. We do watch the British people require us to do to provide a

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stable government in the interests of our country. I am sure you have

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got the point by now. I have fought the Tories all my life. But when

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Labour run away from their the Tories all my life. But when

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responsibility to amend the economic crisis, was this right for the

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country? That is what drives me. Let me say again. The people will

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determine who are going to be in any coalition, should there be one, the

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voters and nobody else. It is not about what we like. I understand

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that. But your own internal polls show that Mr Clegg and the

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leadership are not taking the party with them on that. I don't think

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that is true. Nick Clegg has done what no other party leader has done.

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He took the coalition agreement to the party, and they voted for it. So

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it is not true to say that members of the party are moving in a

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different direction. I think we are extraordinarily united. I did not

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expect them to be so under these pressures, but they have surprised

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me and made me joyful at the same time. The party has done what it

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needs to do. This is what time. The party has done what it

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done in local government for a long time. We may have our private likes

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and dislikes, but the thing that dictates the formation of a

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coalition is the ballot box. You have said that three times. I can

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say it again if you like. Please don't! What if your party votes to

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reinstate tuition fees as party policy afternoon? We will have to

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listen to that and act accordingly. You must listen to the voice of the

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party and take it into account in what you do. I am always quite

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careful, as you know, about answering hypothetical questions. I

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don't think it is likely to happen, but if it did, we would have to do

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consider it. I thought what distinguished Lib Dems was that if

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your party conference voted for something, it was in the manifesto.

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The manifesto is taken in its final form before the party for decision.

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The party will express views at this stage in all sorts of ways. It did

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in my leadership, too. The manifesto is democratically agreed by the

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party at the time of the election, not before. The Tory conference will

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be about how they think they have been vindicated, that austerity has

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worked, the economy is turning a corner. But Nick Clegg's conference

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announcements will be about plastic bags. Have you got the hang of this

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coalition think? Andrew, you can always be guaranteed to put things

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in the most discreditable form! That is part of your charm. That was

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about to be a minor announcement in the middle of his speech. But it was

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discovered beforehand. It has not been very popular in terms of how it

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has been received, but that is not the central message. That leads me

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to what I think is the biggest danger you face at the next

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election. Isn't the biggest danger that the Tories, not you, if there

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is an economic recovery, they will get the credit for it? I don't think

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that is true. By the way, I don't think the electorate does gratitude.

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The only time people cast a thank you vote was probably for Mrs

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Thatcher over the sale of council houses. We could have a different

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discussion over whether that was a good idea. But what you have done is

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the underpinning for the promise of what you will do. In this

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government, we have stayed firm on a what you will do. In this

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very tough economic policy. But will you get the credit? What we have

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done by ourselves, which the Tories would never have done, is make sure

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that when the pain is felt, it is not the poor who feel it. We have

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seen the biggest shift of taxation, lifting the poorest in the country

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out of taxation, that has ever happened, including in the previous

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Labour government. You are presiding over the biggest squeeze on living

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standards in modern times. Because it is the biggest recession in

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modern times. When you speak to the 2.5 million people who have been

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lifted out of taxation altogether because of the Liberal Democrats,

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speak to those who have had a £400 tax cut. You may be able to make the

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speak to those who have had a £400 connection, Andrew, you are a sharp

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observer, between a very deep economic crisis and difficulty for

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everybody. But it is clear that if the Tories had been by themselves,

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none of that would have happened. We have sought to shift the burden away

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from the poorest in this country. I am part of that. So when we go into

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the next election, the message will am part of that. So when we go into

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be that if you want to continue to have a prosperous economy and a

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society, only the Liberal Democrats will deliver that. Tim Farron says

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he likes Ed Miliband and he does not want to diss him. Can you confirm

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that there will be no dissing of Ed Miliband? It is not much my style.

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I've never much liked comments about the other leaders. I do not intend

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to make it so in the future. Can I'd finish up on Syria? You said after

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the Syria vote that Britain was a hugely diminished country. Given it

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was the British Parliament that said both sides on a course which could

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now see Syria give up chemical weapons without records to military

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action, would you like to withdraw these remarks and admit that you

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should be proud and happy with what Britain has done? No. You and I both

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know, because we are old observers, that that would never have happened

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unless there had been an underpinning of a threat to use

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force. The British Parliament resigned from that. We have no part

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to play in the fact that Assad and Putin have moved towards peace for

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to play in the fact that Assad and fear of military action. We decided

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not to be part of that. It is fear of military action. We decided

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exactly the opposite. Why would have liked to have seen our country join

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in with those who are serious about upholding an international law which

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has restrained even than axes and talent, but instead we resigned and

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left others to make sure that we moved towards peace. -- even the

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Maxis and Stalin. But if it had not been for the British Parliament, we

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would not have had the time to allow this to happen. It has avoided war.

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Job done, British Parliament. That would be true if it was accurate but

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it is not. The resolution proposed a delay, that we should wait until the

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inspectors came back. That time frame was absolutely nothing to do

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inspectors came back. That time with the parliamentary vote. The

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vote was going to incorporate that. I do not think you can claim what

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vote was going to incorporate that. you claim. In the Balkans, I

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remember that diplomacy, which was not reinforced by the threat of

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military action, does not work. It is when diplomacy runs with a grain

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of military action that it works. And if you want a fantastic

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illustration of that, look at what is happening over the last two

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weeks. By regret to say that our country, which has always been in

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favour of engagement and not disengagement, had no part to play

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in that. They give a joining us, Paddy Ashdown. Enjoy my old

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university city. And you we would get to the Balkans

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eventually, and we did. His biggest challenge is if the economy is

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looking reasonably good by 2015, to get some credit for the Lib Dems,

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when the Tories will want to halt it all. But his position is not to be

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the necessary axeman. That is George Osborne's role. Their role is to be

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the chaser party, taking the edge off. They will because of me going

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on about the pupil premium and racing people out of income tax.

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That is what you will hear from them, how they have taken the edge

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of the cuts. Will that work? They are in a pretty good position. Even

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if they have lost two thirds of the popular support, according to the

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polls, I do not know anyone in Westminster methinks that will be

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matched in their parliamentary representation. If they have 56 MPs

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now, they might lose a dozen but they will not be decimated.

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Strategically, they are in a better position than the reading of the

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polls would tell you. I think Nick Clegg's survival has been one of the

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stories of this Parliament. He is looking good at the comfort -- at

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the conference. When he was at his lowest after the AV referendum,

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people were saying he would survive and lead us into 2015 and beyond and

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I thought that was fanciful. Believe it or not... Paddy Ashdown was

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wrong, you were wrong and... I wasn't. I'm underestimated how bad

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his rivals are. If you are Lib Dem member, however aggrieved you are

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with Nick Clegg, you do not think, wouldn't it be great if Christian

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was in charge? Nick Clegg is the best they have. -- Chris Huhne was

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in charge. Of course, the people do not vote for the coalition

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government and it is a consequence of the way they vote, a different

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matter. If Janan Ganesh is right, and they lose 15 seats in the next

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election, they could be still pivotal in the next government. It

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could be. But there is a danger. Possibly the most amusing outcome

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would be a Labour or Tory overall majority, which would be hilarious

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for the look on Paddy Ashdown's face. The danger is they get trapped

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constantly in talking about the politics of coalition and of a hung

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parliament. And they are very puffed up and they enjoy Parliament and

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they will enjoy the next one, up and they enjoy Parliament and

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there is a possibility they will not be. While they are talking about the

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Polish and themselves, they are not talking about the issues facing the

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country. -- talking about the coalition. It was interesting that

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he said that we are a left-wing party, not a centre-left party or a

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centre party, but a left-wing party. I'm going to put myself in the

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firing line and say that there is a big split between the Tim Farron

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line who say they like Ed Miliband, and another one, Jeremy Browne in

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the Home Office saying that Labour are intellectually lazy. The risk

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clearly a clique around Nick Clegg who wants to be a synthetic party,

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but that is not where the membership who wants to be a synthetic party,

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and broad base is. The real activists are clearly of the left,

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not just the centre-left. They are very pro-immigration and they want

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to get rid of Trident. Mr Clegg's strategy has to be to take the party

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to the centre. The something not happen at some stage? The poll

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suggests it is a left-wing party. happen at some stage? The poll

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Very left-wing. Other think the poll would have yielded -- would have

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yielded the same results before the 2010 election. This is reflected by

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the arithmetic. Whichever party is biggest will most likely be the ones

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in coalition with the Lib Dems. Nick Clegg's on latitude to choose is

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exaggerated by us. The choice is no tears, it is written into

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parliamentary arithmetic. But if you remember the structure of the Lib

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Dems, they can tie themselves up in infighting. -- the choice is not

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ours. They are fundamentally stable. And Nick Clegg has had a

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good conference last year, and will have another one this year. The

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economy is better than it was a year ago. It could still go quite well

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for him. Yes, it is one of the ago. It could still go quite well

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stories of this Parliament, his survival and the way in which he has

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prospered. But there are a lot of people out there, students,

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campaigners, labour activists who have not forgotten what he has done

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in government and are determined to get him. It will be a tough year and

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a half. Tougher than he imagined. Now, not so long ago they were

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writing George Osborne's political obituary. Be on the Omni shambles

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budget of 2012 and a lacklustre performance of the British economy

:23:54.:23:58.

meant his reputation work -- was in the dirt. -- the omnishambles. But

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things have changed. The Chancellor is saying he has been vindicated. If

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true, we're do that leave his critics? At your stuck on the

:24:08.:24:12.

runway, it looks as though the British economy has taken off,

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growing by 0.7% in British economy has taken off,

:24:15.:24:19.

quarter. Forecasts for the rest of the year have been revised up words.

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What's more, the office for National statistics says that the double-dip

:24:23.:24:28.

recession never actually happened. Unemployment is down in the three

:24:28.:24:32.

months to July and the number of people claiming jobseeker's

:24:32.:24:36.

months to July and the number of allowance is falling at its

:24:36.:24:40.

spasticity rate since 1997. On Monday, George Osborne said his

:24:40.:24:43.

policies were bearing fruit. We held our nerve when many told us to

:24:43.:24:49.

abandon our plans. As a result, thanks to the efforts and sacrifices

:24:49.:24:54.

of the British people, Britain is turning a corner. The message for

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his Labour critics was clear. The Chancellor thinks he was right and

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they were wrong. And Chuka Umunna joins me now for the Sunday

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interview. Good afternoon. Good afternoon.Do

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you accept that the economy has turned a corner? I think it is good

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that a stalled recovery appears to have come back to life, but let's

:25:23.:25:28.

get this in perspective. We have had three wasted years. We have the

:25:28.:25:31.

worst economic recovery in history. Debt is up and we have record youth

:25:31.:25:37.

unemployment. If you ask your viewers who are watching this

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programme if they feel better or worse off, compared to 2010, the

:25:40.:25:44.

majority will tell you they feel worse because, on average, wages are

:25:44.:25:50.

down by £1500 compared to May of 2010. That is the situation. The

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questionnaires, what is the government going to do about it? And

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one of the things we have seen talked about, Vince Cable has been

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talking about this as well, is what is happening in the housing market.

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It seems that much of the solution to powering the recovery in the eyes

:26:08.:26:14.

of George Osborne lies in sorting out the housing market but the

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problem is, we are at risk of being another housing bubble. Because of

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problem is, we are at risk of being research that came out this week, we

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know that housing in the UK is three times more expensive than in the US.

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know that housing in the UK is three We know that house prices are rising

:26:28.:26:32.

five times faster than wages, but we also know that the government is

:26:32.:26:35.

five times faster than wages, but we building new housing at a slower

:26:35.:26:40.

rate, the slowest rate that we have seen since the 1920s. Labour

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complaining about a housing bubble, isn't that like Satan complaining

:26:46.:26:52.

about seven? -- seven. We all know that we cannot go back to business

:26:52.:26:56.

as usual. We need to build a new model of growth. But the housing

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bubble you talk about, it is not a bubble. It might turn into one. I

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said the risk of a bubble. It is nothing like what happened on the

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labourer when the prices soared. As I said, in 2009, we had the crash

:27:10.:27:15.

and we knew we needed to reconfigure the way that our economy works.

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Having an economy based on crisis is not a good thing. We need to

:27:19.:27:25.

rebalance the economy. We saw the unemployment statistics this week,

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and it is welcomed overall, that climate has come down --

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unemployment has come down. At half of the UK has seen unemployment go

:27:32.:27:40.

up. And it went down in other parts. We know that we need to rebalance

:27:40.:27:45.

our economy, so that we do not just rely on consumption, but that we

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grow our productive sectors. And also that we grow our exports as

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well. We know we have a continuing deficit. We always have a trade

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deficit. There was never a trade surplus under Labour. Want to come

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onto what you have mentioned but would you scrap the help to buy

:28:13.:28:16.

scheme? We have not said that we would do that. Why not if it is

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causing the bubble? If you let me finish, on one hand what that scheme

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does at the moment, at the moment it is inhalation to a new scheme but

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tomorrow -- next year it will be in relation to the existing scheme. If

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you do not sort out the supply of housing, then that is a recipe for

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the problems we have seen. Our argument is build more houses. Help

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more people to buy them by all means but if you do not have the supply

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you will end up with rising prices. That is obvious. Labour said that

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government austerity would prevent the return of growth. Austerity is

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still with us but so is growth. You were wrong. We never said that

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growth would never return. What we said was that if you went for an

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growth would never return. What we overly extreme deficit reduction

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package, you would choke the recovery and you would choke growth.

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That is what we saw for three years. If you say, look at the US economy,

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it has grown at three times the rate of the UK economy. The German

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economy has grown at twice the rate. But the British economy is growing

:29:26.:29:29.

quicker than the American or German economy is now. But over time we

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have not seen that happen. But it is now. That may be the case. But my

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point is that those three years saw people undergoing huge stress and

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worry. It is good that we have growth back again but the question

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is, what kind of growth? What we have said... I'm going to come onto

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that but your credibility depends on your previous analysis. And there

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are doubts about it. This is what you said not that long ago. In

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2012. Our economy has flat lined near the 0% mark...

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You and the Labour Party said it had choked off growth. You were wrong.

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We were not wrong, because we had three years where the economy was

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not moving. Let's remind ourselves. Claude Osborne was predicting that

:30:38.:30:42.

the economy was going to grow by 6.9% between the start of this

:30:42.:30:46.

Parliament and now. It has grown by 1.8%. We did not say we would never

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have a return to growth. You never said that austerity would only

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temporarily delay growth. We have looked through your speeches and Ed

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Balls'. We can't find any reference to say this is simply delaying the

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recovery. You said austerity would choke off growth. If that is true,

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why has it returned now? Did we say it would choke off growth for ever?

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why has it returned now? Did we say We did not. You have changed your

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tune. I think your package at the top of this programme, to frame this

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around George Osborne, this is not a Westminster soap opera, it is

:31:34.:31:38.

people's lives, and the people who deserve huge credit for the growth

:31:38.:31:44.

we are seeing are our country's businesses, who despite the tough

:31:44.:31:48.

economic times, have succeeded. They are the ones who have powered this

:31:48.:31:52.

growth. It is not for us in Westminster to take credit. But you

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blame the government for lack of growth. So therefore, when the

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growth comes, the government has to take some credit. Look at the

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situation Britain is in now. We know the recovery still has to reach many

:32:07.:32:13.

parts of the country, but this is the OECD annualised growth in the

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G-7, the world's guest economies. That is looking pretty healthy. That

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is a recovery. I am not denying that That is looking pretty healthy. That

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we are seeing a stalled recovery, but who benefits from the growth? On

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average, your viewers have sustained a £1500 pay cut. That is the second

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biggest fall in the G20 since May 2010. Because we had the biggest

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financial services sector and took the biggest crash. Financial

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services are still in decline. Financial services are about 10% of

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the economy. They are not the only contributor to the economy. The

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point is, who benefits? Unemployment is falling, but we don't just want

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people to have any job, we want them to have decent jobs that pay a

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weight you can live off and that are more secure. Let me show you the

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unemployment figures. Your criticism has been that all the new jobs are

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part-time. They are not now, they are full-time. Full-time

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unemployment, up -- full-time employment, up 94,000. This is a

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short time frame. It is since the recovery began. Half the jobs that

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have been created since May 2010 have been part-time jobs. Roughly

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107,000 people are working part-time who would like to work full-time.

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Over the last 20 years, people now feel more insecure at work than

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ever. The question is about what feel more insecure at work than

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kind of growth and employment you are getting. The other point is the

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uneven spread of this across our economy. In places like the

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north-east and north-west, the Humber, the east of England, they

:34:22.:34:29.

have seen unemployment increase. I agree that there was a regional

:34:29.:34:33.

imbalance, but the service sector is growing, cheering and construction

:34:33.:34:40.

are growing and financial services are in decline, so the rebalance is

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happening. It is not happening to the degree we need to transform our

:34:45.:34:49.

economy so that we have a long-term, sustainable model of

:34:49.:34:54.

growth. That is why we need a comprehensive industrial strategy

:34:54.:34:55.

that all of government works towards. Your party conference is

:34:55.:35:05.

coming up. I am sure you are looking forward to it. Why do Ed Miliband's

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approval ratings get worse the more people see of him? I don't accept

:35:09.:35:20.

that. I have given you the figures. Polls go up and down. I have said

:35:20.:35:26.

that on this programme before. But his approval rating has consistently

:35:26.:35:34.

gone down. What actually matters our votes. Under Ed Miliband's

:35:34.:35:35.

leadership, the Labour Party have votes. Under Ed Miliband's

:35:35.:35:39.

put on almost 2000 extra councillors in places like Canada case, even

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Whitney. What is wrong with Whitney? We have been putting on votes. Let

:35:51.:35:57.

me show you this. This is the net satisfaction rating. Your leader is

:35:57.:36:01.

now more unpopular than Gordon Brown was when he took Labour to the worst

:36:01.:36:07.

defeat in living memory. Gordon Brown did not put on anything like

:36:07.:36:14.

this number of councillors. Votes are what matter, Andrew. Few people

:36:14.:36:21.

think Ed Miliband is a capable leader. Twice as many people think

:36:21.:36:24.

over Spurs who lives on the moon. leader. Twice as many people think

:36:24.:36:29.

These are polls. If you are talking to me about over Spurs lit, that

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puts this into context, Europe session with polls! -- Elvis

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Presley. Since 2010, we have put on thousands of members. Compare that

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to the Conservative Party, which has not won a general election since

:36:46.:36:54.

1992. They will not disclose their membership figures. Why -- why won't

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you pledge to renationalise Royal Mail? Because that would be like

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writing a blank cheque. We don't know at the moment how much the

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writing a blank cheque. We don't government would receive for the

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sale of Royal Mail? So how can I judge how much it would cost to buy

:37:10.:37:14.

it back? That would be irresponsible. But the government

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does not need to do this right now. The entire country is against it.

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does not need to do this right now. Sources in the City and Whitehall

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tell me that if Labour pledged to renationalise it, it would kill off

:37:25.:37:29.

the flotation. So if you are against it, why don't you do it? For me to

:37:30.:37:36.

pledge to renationalise Royal Mail would be like writing a blank

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cheque. But if you put it in the prospectus, people in the City, who

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know more about these things, say it would not happen, so why not do it?

:37:47.:37:52.

Because that would be irresponsible. It would be like writing a cheque

:37:52.:37:57.

for billions to renationalise Royal Mail. You would not have too right

:37:57.:38:02.

at the check if it did not happen. I have to deal with the facts. I am

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not good deal with the plot somebody might be speculating about in the

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City. We have to be careful about this. For me to pledge to

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renationalise it now would be like writing a bank cheque . We are going

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to be a fiscally responsible government. That is why I am not

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prepared to do that. Ed Balls will not be talking to you. You are

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watching the Sunday Politics. Coming up in 20 minutes,

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Hello and welcome to a new season Sunday Politics in Northern Ireland

:38:38.:38:44.

Hello and welcome to a new season and after a long hot summer, the

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Hello and welcome to a new season focus this week will be on the

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Hello and welcome to a new season arrival of the American diplomat

:38:51.:38:51.

Hello and welcome to a new season Richard Haas. He'll be here to chair

:38:51.:38:55.

Hello and welcome to a new season cross-party talks aimed at getting

:38:55.:38:55.

Hello and welcome to a new season agreement on the outstanding issues

:38:55.:38:56.

Hello and welcome to a new season of flags and emblems, parades

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Hello and welcome to a new season are his chances of success before

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the end of the year? I'll are his chances of success before

:39:01.:39:07.

Fein's John O'Dowd for their are his chances of success before

:39:07.:39:12.

assessment. It's also been a summer are his chances of success before

:39:12.:39:13.

two new faces at the Executive table are his chances of success before

:39:13.:39:20.

with the SDLP's Mark H Durkan taking are his chances of success before

:39:20.:39:21.

Sammy Wilson's ledger in are his chances of success before

:39:21.:39:30.

in the programme to outline his are his chances of success before

:39:30.:39:30.

vision for that department. And with are his chances of success before

:39:30.:39:39.

and the writer and commentator Alex Kane.

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and the writer and commentator Alex So, the all-party Haas talks get

:39:46.:39:47.

and the writer and commentator Alex underway in Belfast on Tuesday. Some

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and the writer and commentator Alex commentators have rated his chances

:39:47.:39:47.

and the writer and commentator Alex of success as somewhere between slim

:39:47.:39:48.

and the writer and commentator Alex and nonexistent.

:39:48.:39:54.

and the writer and commentator Alex thoughts of Simon Hamilton and John

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and the writer and commentator Alex O'Dowd in just a moment. And we'll

:39:55.:39:55.

and the writer and commentator Alex also speak to our Political Editor,

:39:55.:40:03.

Mark Devenport, who was with Peter Robinson and Martin McGuinness when

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Mark Devenport, who was with Peter they met Richard Haass during their

:40:04.:40:04.

Mark Devenport, who was with Peter visit to New York last week. Here's

:40:04.:40:05.

Mark Devenport, who was with Peter a reminder of what they've been

:40:05.:40:10.

Mark Devenport, who was with Peter saying over the past couple of days.

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backgrounds, there will always be difficulties. There is a resolve on

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backgrounds, there will always be both of our parts to ensure that we

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backgrounds, there will always be can get over the obstacles that we

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backgrounds, there will always be are faced and in short that we get a

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backgrounds, there will always be prosperity. We have to do everything

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backgrounds, there will always be in our power to ensure that those

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backgrounds, there will always be discussions find solutions to these

:40:30.:40:32.

problems. I am always in solution finding mode. That is the only way

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problems. I am always in solution to move forward. No outsider to

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manufacture -- consensus, it is up to political leadership to make

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manufacture -- consensus, it is up tough decisions.

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You got a chance to make -- see the tough decisions.

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three main players, what was the tough decisions.

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mood music like when the cameras tough decisions.

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were switched off? The ministers did tough decisions.

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a pretty good job of keeping the act tough decisions.

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together and demonstrating the tough decisions.

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reasonably cordial working relationship. That was important for

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a couple of reasons. Immediately because they were meeting various US

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a couple of reasons. Immediately financial business figures, it would

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a couple of reasons. Immediately not have been very seemly to be

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a couple of reasons. Immediately having a big row in front of them.

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a couple of reasons. Immediately Instead of not in front of the

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children, it was not in front of the Instead of not in front of the

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businessmen. Both parties will be Instead of not in front of the

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going into the Haass talks process Instead of not in front of the

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and it will not be a good time to be seen

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and it will not be a good time to be toys out of the pram. But it did not

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and it will not be a good time to be have two

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and it will not be a good time to be with Martin McGuinness to see he was

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and it will not be a good time to be still seething about the Maze

:41:42.:41:42.

decision. It was the first time they still seething about the Maze

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had met in person for two months? Yes, I think that is why they were

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had met in person for two months? out of the tracks quickly to talk

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about the leadership situation. In terms of their relationship, we saw

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about the leadership situation. In a temporary truce, getting on with

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what they had to do. We have not got a temporary truce, getting on with

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any definitive answers as to whether a temporary truce, getting on with

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there would be any one of the a temporary truce, getting on with

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reprisal from Sinn Fein for what a temporary truce, getting on with

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they still see as a broken a temporary truce, getting on with

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agreement. We will come back to you a temporary truce, getting on with

:42:20.:42:20.

in a moment. Let's hear from Simon a temporary truce, getting on with

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Hamilton and John O'Dowd. Your a temporary truce, getting on with

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thoughts on where we are as far as a temporary truce, getting on with

:42:24.:42:28.

this process is concerned. Do you a temporary truce, getting on with

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think we should resist the a temporary truce, getting on with

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temptation of expecting the process a temporary truce, getting on with

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to deliver too much so that we are a temporary truce, getting on with

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not disappointed? I do not think we a temporary truce, getting on with

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should make Richard Haass's job any a temporary truce, getting on with

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more difficult. There are a temporary truce, getting on with

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differences between our parties, a temporary truce, getting on with

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taking something like the definition of a victim, I think is up orange to

:42:50.:42:52.

look at someone who was killed by of a victim, I think is up orange to

:42:52.:42:55.

their own bomb is evict him. -- I of a victim, I think is up orange to

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think it is up orange. Is the family still suffer in the same way. It

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think it is up orange. Is the family goes in between DUP and Sinn Fein

:43:07.:43:13.

think it is up orange. Is the family differences. My party will be going

:43:13.:43:16.

think it is up orange. Is the family into the talks fully committed to

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think it is up orange. Is the family resolve the talks. If we want to

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think it is up orange. Is the family build a prosperous future, these are

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think it is up orange. Is the family the kind of issues that we have two

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resolve. I am sure you will say the kind of issues that we have two

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party is going in with a same the kind of issues that we have two

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commitment, but flags and emblems, the kind of issues that we have two

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parades in the past have proved impossible to resolve. There is no

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parades in the past have proved evidence that anything has changed.

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Blooper -- our political system evidence that anything has changed.

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faces challenges. The letter to America from Peter Robinson has not

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helped. But if the letter had had been sent, it would have been no

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helped. But if the letter had had need for the show of unity. There is

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helped. But if the letter had had going to have to be more than one

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helped. But if the letter had had meeting to resolve the issues of

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concern about both the break of the meeting to resolve the issues of

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agreement of the peace Centre and meeting to resolve the issues of

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how it was handled and how the government handled the relationships

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how it was handled and how the between partners within government.

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All of those things need to be between partners within government.

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discussed, they need to be brought between partners within government.

:44:25.:44:25.

back together and we have to ensure between partners within government.

:44:25.:44:28.

that politics is being directed by between partners within government.

:44:28.:44:31.

politicians and not by the actions between partners within government.

:44:31.:44:35.

of those on the streets who are between partners within government.

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determined to bring down the score between partners within government.

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institutions. The question is, do we between partners within government.

:44:38.:44:38.

need an external solution imposed by between partners within government.

:44:38.:44:40.

a US diplomat and the British and between partners within government.

:44:40.:44:43.

Irish governments, or do we have to between partners within government.

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rely on local parties to bring between partners within government.

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forward proposals they will have to between partners within government.

:44:48.:44:51.

compromise on and reach an agreement? If we had not have had

:44:51.:44:53.

the behaviour on the streets of Sinn agreement? If we had not have had

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Fein where they sought agreement? If we had not have had

:44:57.:45:00.

traumatised victims and glorify agreement? If we had not have had

:45:00.:45:01.

terror in a part of County Tyrone, agreement? If we had not have had

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we would not be where we were -- agreement? If we had not have had

:45:03.:45:05.

where we are in terms of the agreement? If we had not have had

:45:05.:45:08.

decision about the peace Centre at agreement? If we had not have had

:45:08.:45:11.

the Maze. The idea of a peace Centre agreement? If we had not have had

:45:11.:45:15.

for Northern Ireland, we have a agreement? If we had not have had

:45:15.:45:19.

great story to tell, but they have agreement? If we had not have had

:45:19.:45:19.

in itself become a source of conflict. So we have very difficult

:45:19.:45:22.

in itself become a source of problems to grapple with here, we

:45:22.:45:24.

in itself become a source of have made huge strides forward. What

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in itself become a source of we have in Northern Ireland is far

:45:27.:45:29.

better than what we had. We need we have in Northern Ireland is far

:45:29.:45:32.

more compromises. Will the DUP come we have in Northern Ireland is far

:45:32.:45:34.

to the table preparing for come we have in Northern Ireland is far

:45:34.:45:37.

mines? We have shown that we are we have in Northern Ireland is far

:45:38.:45:40.

willing to find solutions we can all we have in Northern Ireland is far

:45:40.:45:43.

agree on. That is not easy or we have in Northern Ireland is far

:45:43.:45:47.

straightforward. We have a long history of difficulties and just

:45:47.:45:48.

straightforward. We have a long because we have difficulties on some

:45:48.:45:51.

issues, does not mean we can work on because we have difficulties on some

:45:51.:45:56.

other issues. But is Sinn Fein going because we have difficulties on some

:45:56.:45:59.

to come to the table prepared to because we have difficulties on some

:45:59.:46:02.

make copper mines? Richard Haass because we have difficulties on some

:46:02.:46:05.

said that, we talked to him on Friday and he said, I expect the

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party to compromise or it will not work. You have to be attached,

:46:11.:46:14.

Myers. So you have to be prepared work. You have to be attached,

:46:14.:46:21.

and you are prepared to compromise? As long as it is based on equality

:46:21.:46:28.

and respect for all. I think we can wreak chick -- reach that,

:46:28.:46:31.

and respect for all. I think we can that be through parades or dealing

:46:31.:46:34.

with flags. But that could be that be through parades or dealing

:46:34.:46:39.

painful for Sinn Fein and your that be through parades or dealing

:46:39.:46:42.

supporters. It might involve difficult decisions being taken and

:46:42.:46:45.

supporters. It might involve uncomfortable compromises.

:46:45.:46:48.

Throughout the 20 years of this political, Myers is, we have had to

:46:48.:46:52.

Throughout the 20 years of this make difficult decisions. He expect

:46:52.:46:56.

an agreement to be adhered to when make difficult decisions. He expect

:46:56.:46:58.

you agree it. And you ensure that make difficult decisions. He expect

:46:59.:47:04.

those people who are trying to make difficult decisions. He expect

:47:04.:47:07.

destroy the process do not lead the make difficult decisions. He expect

:47:07.:47:10.

process. Soap, Myers will happen and will be uncomfortable for the DUP

:47:10.:47:13.

process. Soap, Myers will happen and and you are willing to go on? -- so

:47:13.:47:16.

process. Soap, Myers will happen and compromise will happen? We are in a

:47:16.:47:23.

forced coalition so we have to work together, -- just because we have

:47:23.:47:29.

differences does not mean we cannot together, -- just because we have

:47:29.:47:32.

work together to resolve what we can together, -- just because we have

:47:32.:47:35.

and try and build the sort of together, -- just because we have

:47:35.:47:39.

Northern Ireland which everyone worlds -- everyone wants. It needs

:47:39.:47:41.

Northern Ireland which everyone to be sorted out. We have got to

:47:41.:47:44.

Northern Ireland which everyone grapple with these issues. What

:47:44.:47:47.

Northern Ireland which everyone threatens getting the peaceful and

:47:47.:47:47.

Northern Ireland which everyone prosperous Northern Ireland are

:47:47.:47:49.

Northern Ireland which everyone these very issues. We need to ask

:47:49.:47:52.

Northern Ireland which everyone you about other things. Peter

:47:52.:47:55.

Northern Ireland which everyone Robinson has made it very clear that

:47:55.:47:55.

Northern Ireland which everyone he is staying on as DUP leader, is

:47:56.:47:59.

Northern Ireland which everyone that the right decision for the

:47:59.:47:59.

party? Absolutely. DUP and unionism that the right decision for the

:47:59.:48:02.

is where it is today, and much of that the right decision for the

:48:03.:48:06.

the progress we have made over the that the right decision for the

:48:06.:48:09.

last years is down to the vision and that the right decision for the

:48:09.:48:12.

strategy set out by Peter Robinson. that the right decision for the

:48:12.:48:16.

The difficulty for a leader is that that the right decision for the

:48:16.:48:16.

when he starts going on record that the right decision for the

:48:16.:48:18.

saying he is a leader, it is looking that the right decision for the

:48:18.:48:21.

vulnerable. This is a manufactured that the right decision for the

:48:21.:48:22.

crisis by the media, you will move that the right decision for the

:48:22.:48:25.

onto someone else week. It is also that the right decision for the

:48:25.:48:31.

to do with nuanced statementss by certain members of your party whose

:48:31.:48:34.

to do with nuanced statementss by positions were not clear. Peter is

:48:34.:48:36.

in an exceptionally strong position positions were not clear. Peter is

:48:36.:48:38.

and he will be leader as long as he positions were not clear. Peter is

:48:38.:48:42.

wants to be. You are responsible for positions were not clear. Peter is

:48:42.:48:45.

the education of young people, we have had a worrying story about

:48:45.:48:53.

the education of young people, we widespread child abuse, hell

:48:53.:48:55.

the education of young people, we concerned are you and what can you

:48:55.:48:57.

the education of young people, we do to reassure people watching this

:48:57.:49:00.

the education of young people, we programme? There are investigations

:49:00.:49:00.

the education of young people, we going on, the police and health

:49:00.:49:04.

the education of young people, we service are involved. Some of the

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the education of young people, we stories are alarming and

:49:07.:49:08.

the education of young people, we disturbing. I will engage with my

:49:08.:49:08.

the education of young people, we executive colleagues to ensure that

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the education of young people, we everything that is being done can be

:49:11.:49:14.

the education of young people, we done to ensure safety of young

:49:14.:49:14.

people and ensure where victims of done to ensure safety of young

:49:14.:49:17.

young people -- ensure victims of done to ensure safety of young

:49:18.:49:19.

abuse are dealt with. With the done to ensure safety of young

:49:19.:49:21.

required respect. Richard Haass says done to ensure safety of young

:49:21.:49:31.

he wants compromise, but there are issues where there are no agreement.

:49:31.:49:38.

John O'Dowd was more the difference in coming forward, than Martin

:49:38.:49:41.

John O'Dowd was more the difference McGuinness had been, because he was

:49:41.:49:43.

John O'Dowd was more the difference in Deputy first Minister context. It

:49:43.:49:46.

John O'Dowd was more the difference is clear that this is not resolved.

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John O'Dowd was more the difference What is not quite clear is how this

:49:48.:49:51.

might permeate into the house What is not quite clear is how this

:49:51.:49:53.

process or any other decisions they What is not quite clear is how this

:49:53.:49:56.

have to make around the executive What is not quite clear is how this

:49:56.:49:57.

table. And these outstanding issues What is not quite clear is how this

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are not outstanding by accident. Exactly, . This could be one of the

:50:01.:50:07.

are not outstanding by accident. easy ones to tackle, the parades,

:50:07.:50:11.

because these parties had a working group which made some progress. With

:50:12.:50:17.

the flags, they are starting at a standing start in the past is a very

:50:17.:50:20.

the flags, they are starting at a difficult thing to grapple with. Are

:50:20.:50:22.

the flags, they are starting at a you optimistic or pessimistic?

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Always optimistic about these things. Firstly, Haass knows what

:50:24.:50:27.

he's doing, he would not have taken things. Firstly, Haass knows what

:50:27.:50:30.

on this task lightly if he did not things. Firstly, Haass knows what

:50:30.:50:33.

think he could have a positive things. Firstly, Haass knows what

:50:33.:50:35.

influence. Secondly, there has been things. Firstly, Haass knows what

:50:35.:50:40.

progress already made in some of these areas before, the Ashdown

:50:40.:50:41.

progress already made in some of report, other reports, there has

:50:41.:50:43.

progress already made in some of been a lot of work already done.

:50:43.:50:47.

progress already made in some of There have been

:50:47.:50:49.

progress already made in some of they have ultimately been

:50:49.:50:53.

progress already made in some of that could be picked up again by

:50:53.:50:57.

progress already made in some of Haass and the parties as part of

:50:58.:50:58.

this process. I suspect you are Haass and the parties as part of

:50:58.:51:01.

sitting beside a pessimist. I am Haass and the parties as part of

:51:01.:51:04.

pessimistic, the holder bait about -- the whole debate, I am in the

:51:04.:51:08.

pessimistic, the holder bait about Haass not debate. You saw a

:51:08.:51:13.

pessimistic, the holder bait about microcosm of this today. They were

:51:13.:51:15.

both compromise but only under microcosm of this today. They were

:51:15.:51:19.

certain conditions. He will come here and put down a series of

:51:19.:51:23.

certain conditions. He will come questions, and they will spend the

:51:23.:51:27.

certain conditions. He will come whole time discussing what is meant

:51:27.:51:27.

certain conditions. He will come by the questions, and never

:51:27.:51:33.

certain conditions. He will come the copper mines. Will he have two

:51:33.:51:33.

certain conditions. He will come set some kind of template

:51:33.:51:37.

certain conditions. He will come table and persuade them to sign up

:51:37.:51:37.

certain conditions. He will come to it? On the first day, he should

:51:37.:51:42.

certain conditions. He will come sit them down and say, I am going

:51:42.:51:45.

certain conditions. He will come back tomorrow, give me a

:51:45.:51:48.

certain conditions. He will come collectively agreed reason why I

:51:48.:51:48.

certain conditions. He will come should borrow staying -- bother

:51:48.:51:50.

staying. He says the first couple of should borrow staying -- bother

:51:50.:51:55.

months are going to be information should borrow staying -- bother

:51:55.:51:56.

gathering, is merely ideas. And he should borrow staying -- bother

:51:56.:51:58.

would not rule out, although he said should borrow staying -- bother

:51:58.:52:04.

he did not want to come in and set out his ideas, he would not rule out

:52:04.:52:09.

he did not want to come in and set the notion that if some

:52:09.:52:14.

he did not want to come in and set could not get consensus, he will put

:52:14.:52:15.

he did not want to come in and set down his own best guess, maybe late

:52:15.:52:19.

he did not want to come in and set November. Whether he tries to

:52:19.:52:19.

he did not want to come in and set employees something or not, --

:52:19.:52:19.

imposed something or not, the point employees something or not, --

:52:19.:52:23.

is, we will only have an outcome employees something or not, --

:52:24.:52:24.

were talking about if the parties employees something or not, --

:52:24.:52:28.

locally by into it. Absolutely and they will buy into it. And they

:52:28.:52:31.

locally by into it. Absolutely and will, on the Monday before the

:52:31.:52:36.

signing of the Good Friday will, on the Monday before the

:52:36.:52:36.

agreement, 85% of people did not think there would be a agreement on

:52:36.:52:40.

agreement, 85% of people did not the Friday. I think we will be

:52:40.:52:43.

agreement, 85% of people did not celebrating come Christmas. Thank

:52:43.:52:43.

agreement, 85% of people did not you for that. Let's look at the

:52:43.:52:47.

agreement, 85% of people did not political week gone by in 60

:52:47.:52:51.

seconds. Connell McDevitt's resignation left

:52:51.:52:56.

a resignation space in South broadcast, filled by Fergal

:52:56.:52:58.

McKinney. I am overwhelmed, this is broadcast, filled by Fergal

:52:58.:53:06.

a short sharp campaign, we were deeply saddened by the fact that

:53:06.:53:09.

a short sharp campaign, we were Connell McDevitt 's left. I2 in the

:53:09.:53:12.

a short sharp campaign, we were chamber, they were looking back to a

:53:12.:53:15.

a short sharp campaign, we were long, hot summer. Countless attacks

:53:15.:53:17.

a short sharp campaign, we were on police officers, countless, and

:53:17.:53:20.

a short sharp campaign, we were what have we? Deafening silence.

:53:20.:53:22.

a short sharp campaign, we were That is not going to the bottom of

:53:22.:53:25.

a short sharp campaign, we were the barrel. That is going through

:53:25.:53:28.

a short sharp campaign, we were the base of the barrel. And then to

:53:28.:53:31.

a short sharp campaign, we were the sewer. Still who have -- still

:53:31.:53:38.

have not got grips with shopping bags? The planned increase

:53:38.:53:41.

have not got grips with shopping levy has been scrapped. And people

:53:41.:53:44.

have not got grips with shopping were looking ahead to the arrival of

:53:44.:53:46.

talks chairman Richard Haass. My were looking ahead to the arrival of

:53:46.:53:51.

immediate reaction was, why would you bother coming back to Northern

:53:51.:53:57.

Ireland? Simon Hamilton has stayed with me.

:53:57.:54:01.

Ireland? There were big changes for him in

:54:01.:54:04.

Ireland? the summer when he took over the

:54:04.:54:07.

Ireland? most influential portfolio in the

:54:07.:54:11.

executive. It might not be as glamorous as 11 Downing St, but this

:54:11.:54:14.

department is the one with all of glamorous as 11 Downing St, but this

:54:14.:54:18.

the power. The finance minister is storm and's

:54:18.:54:20.

the power. equivalent to the Chancellor of the

:54:20.:54:22.

the power. Exchequer. This is where they manage

:54:22.:54:25.

the power. the budget, for £8 million per year.

:54:25.:54:28.

They decide how much each department the budget, for £8 million per year.

:54:28.:54:33.

will get. If the minister needs more the budget, for £8 million per year.

:54:33.:54:37.

money, they have to ask and if they overspend, they have to explain

:54:37.:54:40.

themselves. This all-powerful department controls the workings of

:54:40.:54:42.

government both here at Stormont and department controls the workings of

:54:42.:54:45.

further afield. He has charge of our department controls the workings of

:54:45.:54:50.

huge civil service. Hands out department controls the workings of

:54:50.:54:52.

millions of pounds in government department controls the workings of

:54:52.:54:54.

contracts each year. Decide how much department controls the workings of

:54:54.:54:56.

we pay inmates and runs the Stormont estate, even deciding who gets

:54:56.:55:00.

parking payments. With the forecast estate, even deciding who gets

:55:00.:55:03.

looking brighter on the economic estate, even deciding who gets

:55:04.:55:05.

horizon, the focus of the department estate, even deciding who gets

:55:05.:55:10.

is shifting. This summer we have seen house prices rise, business

:55:10.:55:11.

is shifting. This summer we have activity rise, an increase in

:55:11.:55:14.

is shifting. This summer we have shopping sales figures and a boost

:55:14.:55:15.

is shifting. This summer we have in business confidence. Here at the

:55:16.:55:17.

la -- the slightly more glamorous in business confidence. Here at the

:55:17.:55:27.

Claire house, the challenge is how to get business growing again, banks

:55:27.:55:32.

Claire house, the challenge is how lending and getting more people back

:55:32.:55:33.

Claire house, the challenge is how into work.

:55:34.:55:34.

Claire house, the challenge is how There are quite a few important

:55:34.:55:37.

Claire house, the challenge is how issues in your intro, reforming the

:55:37.:55:41.

public centre, protecting the block grants, what is top of your agenda?

:55:41.:55:45.

The first priority of any finance grants, what is top of your agenda?

:55:45.:55:49.

minister is ensuring you have the grants, what is top of your agenda?

:55:49.:55:50.

money to do what people expect you grants, what is top of your agenda?

:55:51.:55:52.

to do in terms of delivering grants, what is top of your agenda?

:55:52.:55:54.

first-class services, health, education and housing. I put a

:55:55.:55:58.

first-class services, health, personal focus which is a focus the

:55:58.:56:00.

first-class services, health, whole executive needs to have, on

:56:00.:56:03.

first-class services, health, driving forward and agenda of public

:56:03.:56:06.

first-class services, health, sector reform. We have not maybe had

:56:06.:56:08.

first-class services, health, as bad as the situation as havoc

:56:08.:56:10.

spending, it has been tough. -- as bad as the situation as havoc

:56:10.:56:14.

public spending. It will not get as bad as the situation as havoc

:56:14.:56:16.

better in the next few years, and as bad as the situation as havoc

:56:16.:56:23.

the public 's expectation gets bigger. We have got to work out more

:56:23.:56:29.

the public 's expectation gets to do what's we have got -- we have

:56:29.:56:32.

the public 's expectation gets got to work out how to do

:56:32.:56:36.

the public 's expectation gets what we have got so we can solve

:56:36.:56:40.

the public 's expectation gets some of these issues which are out

:56:40.:56:43.

the public 's expectation gets there on health and education and so

:56:43.:56:49.

the public 's expectation gets you want to innovate in the public

:56:49.:56:53.

the public 's expectation gets centre and deliver services online,

:56:53.:56:53.

the public 's expectation gets that means that people will lose

:56:53.:56:53.

jobs. You would have expected that that means that people will lose

:56:53.:56:57.

the headcount would have gone down that means that people will lose

:56:57.:57:02.

in the civil service in the last few that means that people will lose

:57:02.:57:02.

years because of the shrinking that means that people will lose

:57:02.:57:06.

budget, but the number of people that means that people will lose

:57:06.:57:07.

working in the civil service has not that means that people will lose

:57:07.:57:10.

changed. I do not see that changing. It is about service is getting

:57:10.:57:13.

changed. I do not see that changing. better for people, you mentioned

:57:13.:57:14.

changed. I do not see that changing. digital delivery, we are using our

:57:14.:57:17.

changed. I do not see that changing. phones and online to go shopping and

:57:17.:57:19.

changed. I do not see that changing. go on holiday, I want to see us use

:57:19.:57:22.

that much more for delivering go on holiday, I want to see us use

:57:22.:57:26.

services in the public sector. You want to ensure good services, that

:57:26.:57:29.

services in the public sector. You costs money, from higher taxes, will

:57:29.:57:32.

services in the public sector. You you be setting out a case for why

:57:32.:57:35.

services in the public sector. You people in Northern Ireland have two

:57:35.:57:39.

services in the public sector. You accents they are paying for water?

:57:39.:57:39.

Dashed have to accept? This has been accents they are paying for water?

:57:39.:57:46.

covered, the money we are paying for accents they are paying for water?

:57:46.:57:49.

water charges has to come out of the accents they are paying for water?

:57:49.:57:52.

pocket of Northern Ireland. The accents they are paying for water?

:57:52.:57:52.

economy is heading in the right accents they are paying for water?

:57:52.:57:54.

direction, we do not want to see accents they are paying for water?

:57:54.:57:56.

that sort of money coming out of accents they are paying for water?

:57:56.:57:58.

public pockets. accents they are paying for water?

:57:59.:58:01.

enough in taxes, you think we pay accents they are paying for water?

:58:01.:58:04.

enough in rates for me and the accents they are paying for water?

:58:04.:58:06.

executive is to be more issue accents they are paying for water?

:58:06.:58:07.

shouldn't -- efficient in how we accents they are paying for water?

:58:07.:58:11.

spend those money. It is about using accents they are paying for water?

:58:11.:58:15.

what you have much better. If you accents they are paying for water?

:58:15.:58:19.

think we have got wriggle room, that accents they are paying for water?

:58:19.:58:23.

means that your predecessor by definition was not doing as much as

:58:23.:58:26.

means that your predecessor by he could have done. We all owe him a

:58:26.:58:30.

means that your predecessor by great debt of attitude, he took us

:58:30.:58:34.

through the most challenging public expenditure situation in Northern

:58:34.:58:36.

through the most challenging public Ireland since the 1930s. He did that

:58:36.:58:40.

through the most challenging public with relative ease compared to some

:58:40.:58:43.

through the most challenging public of the doom and gloom merchants who

:58:43.:58:47.

through the most challenging public were predicting 25,000 job losses.

:58:47.:58:47.

The challenge has changed, it is were predicting 25,000 job losses.

:58:48.:58:50.

different less spending then we have were predicting 25,000 job losses.

:58:50.:58:53.

before, and the challenge is now how were predicting 25,000 job losses.

:58:54.:58:56.

to get more and how to reform and were predicting 25,000 job losses.

:58:56.:58:59.

innovate in the public sector were predicting 25,000 job losses.

:58:59.:59:01.

achieve those high expectations were predicting 25,000 job losses.

:59:01.:59:06.

people have on us. Will you take a softer approach to the banks and

:59:06.:59:09.

people have on us. Will you take a Sammy Wilson did? I am prepared to

:59:09.:59:11.

tell the banks where I think they Sammy Wilson did? I am prepared to

:59:11.:59:16.

could do more, where they have done Sammy Wilson did? I am prepared to

:59:16.:59:20.

things they should not have done. It is incumbent on me to work in London

:59:20.:59:24.

things they should not have done. It with our banks because we need them

:59:24.:59:24.

things they should not have done. It to work and lend money to

:59:24.:59:27.

businesses. The one thing which to work and lend money to

:59:27.:59:30.

threatens the recovery is the to work and lend money to

:59:30.:59:31.

inability of those who have good to work and lend money to

:59:32.:59:34.

ideas in the business community it to work and lend money to

:59:34.:59:36.

to get finance to grow. So it is to work and lend money to

:59:36.:59:39.

carrot more than stick from your to work and lend money to

:59:39.:59:41.

point of view? I do not have a lot to work and lend money to

:59:41.:59:46.

of sticks, I don't have that power or authority in Northern Ireland. I

:59:46.:59:48.

of sticks, I don't have that power can work with my counterparts in

:59:48.:59:51.

of sticks, I don't have that power Westminster and I have already

:59:51.:59:53.

of sticks, I don't have that power with them, to get our banks to do

:59:53.:59:57.

of sticks, I don't have that power the job they are able to do. Sammy

:59:57.:00:00.

of sticks, I don't have that power Wilson, he is a populist, are you a

:00:00.:00:04.

of sticks, I don't have that power bit more of the dull technocrat? I

:00:04.:00:06.

of sticks, I don't have that power would never seek to emulate the

:00:06.:00:09.

of sticks, I don't have that power style of Sammy Wilson. There is only

:00:09.:00:13.

of sticks, I don't have that power one Sammy Wilson, the mould was

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of sticks, I don't have that power broken when they made him. I am my

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own man. You might not see policy broken when they made him. I am my

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changes, you might just see a broken when they made him. I am my

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difference in style in some areas. What do you make of the challenges,

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Simon Hamilton has a very influential role? I think the most

:00:36.:00:39.

important thing for Simon will be to influential role? I think the most

:00:39.:00:45.

articulated and explain to the board influential role? I think the most

:00:45.:00:45.

of public for the state of the influential role? I think the most

:00:45.:00:49.

public finances are, to have a influential role? I think the most

:00:49.:00:49.

public address on the state of the influential role? I think the most

:00:49.:00:54.

public finances so the public do not influential role? I think the most

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what can and cannot be achieved influential role? I think the most

:00:58.:01:01.

financially. The other big political story, the SDLP replacing, McDevitt

:01:01.:01:06.

with Fergal McKinney and not Claire Hanna. No one saw that happening. It

:01:06.:01:16.

was a blow for McDevitt, he was high performing. But now Fergal is the

:01:16.:01:22.

was a blow for McDevitt, he was high second UTV guy to come in, and it is

:01:22.:01:26.

probably down to the BBC guy! I do more than pay is going up. Which

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deserves a programme all to itself. more than pay is going up. Which

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In a moment, more from our political panel, but first the news.

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Good afternoon. Nick Clegg says victory for either the Conservatives

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Good afternoon. Nick Clegg says or labour at the next election would

:01:53.:01:56.

Good afternoon. Nick Clegg says put at risk the economic recovery

:01:56.:02:00.

is. Speaking in Glasgow at the Liberal Democrat annual conference,

:02:00.:02:01.

he said a coalition would allow his Liberal Democrat annual conference,

:02:01.:02:05.

party to balance politics and enable the government to finish the job of

:02:05.:02:10.

repairing the economy fairly. It is my genuine belief that if we go back

:02:10.:02:15.

to the bad old days, not of coalition and Islands politics, but

:02:15.:02:17.

to the bad old days, not of of either the left or right

:02:17.:02:20.

dominating blood on their own, you will get a recovery which is neither

:02:20.:02:23.

dominating blood on their own, you fair nor sustainable. Labour would

:02:23.:02:25.

wreck the recovery, and under the fair nor sustainable. Labour would

:02:25.:02:27.

Conservatives, who don't have the fair nor sustainable. Labour would

:02:27.:02:29.

same commitment to fairness as ours, you would get the wrong kind

:02:29.:02:35.

of recovery. Two 19-year-old woman arrested after

:02:35.:02:38.

a stabbing on Thursday have been released without charge. Police are

:02:38.:02:42.

trying to discover if there is a link between the killing and a fire

:02:42.:02:46.

four hours later in which four members of the same family died.

:02:46.:02:48.

Five people are being questioned in members of the same family died.

:02:48.:02:52.

connection with that blaze. A Syrian government minister has described

:02:52.:02:54.

the agreement drawn up by America and Russia to dispose of his

:02:54.:02:59.

country's chemical weapons as a victory.

:02:59.:03:01.

The minister claims the deals helps the Syrians out of a crisis and

:03:01.:03:04.

others war. The US Secretary of the Syrians out of a crisis and

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State John Kerry is in Israel to brief the prime minister, Benjamin

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Netanyahu, on the proposal. China and France have also welcomed the

:03:11.:03:15.

deal, which says Syria has until Friday to submit a competence of

:03:15.:03:20.

list of its chemical stockpile. Britain's Mo Farah has missed out on

:03:20.:03:25.

winning his first half marathon by around one second.

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He was taking part in the Great North Run between Newcastle and

:03:27.:03:32.

South Shields. Farrar, who was the favourite following his two gold

:03:32.:03:35.

medals at the athletics World Championships, lost out to

:03:35.:03:38.

medals at the athletics World Ethiopian's can mean many Serb --

:03:38.:03:43.

Kenenisa Bekele in a sprint finish. A carnival atmosphere for the start

:03:43.:03:48.

of the 33rd Great North Run. Thousands limbered up. For some, it

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was about the challenge. For others, simply dressing up for fun. I am

:03:53.:03:56.

was about the challenge. For others, walking it, so I have no time in

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mind. I just want to enjoy it and appreciate the crowds and have a

:04:01.:04:03.

mind. I just want to enjoy it and fantastic time. For elite athletes,

:04:03.:04:09.

today's race was about who would be first over the line. Despite the

:04:09.:04:13.

wind and rain, large crowds turned out for the world's most popular

:04:13.:04:17.

half marathon, which attracts some of the finest women runners, two,

:04:17.:04:26.

including the Kenyan. There were high hopes for Britain's double

:04:26.:04:29.

Olympic champion Mo Farah, but after a long sprint finish in South

:04:29.:04:36.

Shields, he was narrowly beaten Ethiopian's Kenenisa Bekele. It was

:04:36.:04:41.

a great race and a great finish. I thought the pace was ridiculous. I

:04:41.:04:47.

thought I would come back and close the gap slowly. I managed to close

:04:47.:04:51.

it a little bit, but you can't take away what he has. Wheelchair athlete

:04:51.:04:55.

it a little bit, but you can't take David Weir won his race for a fourth

:04:55.:05:00.

time. More than £200 million has been raised since the Great North

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Run began in 1981. That is it for now. There will be

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more news on BBC One at 6:35pm. So, did anything happen while we

:05:16.:05:19.

were away this summer? I thought not. Whereas British politics

:05:20.:05:26.

heading now? Who better to answer than the best political panel we

:05:26.:05:29.

could cobble together for a tenner? Even then, they are overpaid.

:05:29.:05:34.

Putting foreign affairs to one side for a moment, it seems that what

:05:34.:05:38.

happened mystically was that it became more apparent that some sort

:05:38.:05:42.

of recovery was underway at last, and that Mr Miliband still has not

:05:42.:05:49.

yet resonated with the British public. These things are a problem

:05:49.:05:55.

for Labour. Ed Miliband's mistake over the summer holiday was to take

:05:55.:05:59.

a summer holiday. And it looked like the rest of the Labour Party had

:05:59.:06:03.

taken one too. They were not finding issues they could make their own.

:06:03.:06:05.

The only person who made an impact issues they could make their own.

:06:05.:06:09.

was Stella Creasy on online abuse. That is a huge problem, and it is

:06:09.:06:13.

partly down to the fact that there is this intense message discipline.

:06:13.:06:17.

They don't want to say anything out of line until they have got all

:06:17.:06:22.

their ducks in a row. It makes the party do at the moment. The terms of

:06:22.:06:27.

trade have swung in David Cameron's favour, but the political rhetoric

:06:27.:06:31.

is still with Mr Miliband. Let's look at this headline from the

:06:31.:06:33.

is still with Mr Miliband. Let's Sunday Telegraph. That headline

:06:33.:06:41.

might not be right, but the story is Sunday Telegraph. That headline

:06:41.:06:47.

significant in that Mr Cameron is still in danger on his right flank

:06:47.:06:49.

significant in that Mr Cameron is from UKIP, and Mr Miliband still

:06:49.:06:51.

significant in that Mr Cameron is doesn't need an enormous share of

:06:51.:06:56.

the vote to get an overall majority? There is a danger here of

:06:56.:06:59.

the vote to get an overall majority? Westminster group think. Of course

:06:59.:07:02.

Ed Miliband is in trouble. The Tories are reserved and. They are

:07:02.:07:04.

better organised, the economy is Tories are reserved and. They are

:07:04.:07:08.

recovering. That poses difficulties for Labour, but if you look at what

:07:09.:07:15.

is happening on the ground, UKIP still pose a danger to Cameron. They

:07:15.:07:19.

don't need to poll 15% in a lot of those marginal seats, they just need

:07:19.:07:23.

to get five or 6% of the vote, and that could potentially destroy the

:07:23.:07:33.

Tory lead. Lots of commentators like to say, this guy will never be prime

:07:33.:07:39.

minister, but it is possible that by default or by accident, in a very

:07:40.:07:43.

fluid electoral situation, Ed Miliband could end up as prime

:07:43.:07:48.

minister. It is still all to play for on both sides. If UKIP remains a

:07:48.:07:53.

threat to the Tory right flank and the Tories themselves are not really

:07:53.:07:58.

a national party any more, I am told they will only target a few seats in

:07:58.:08:02.

Scotland, they don't get any big seats in the big cities of the north

:08:02.:08:06.

any more, they don't get the Ulster vote they used to get, so it is

:08:06.:08:10.

possible that Labour, which is more nationally based and has seats in

:08:10.:08:13.

the Midlands and the north and in Wales, so they could get in. I

:08:13.:08:19.

agree. The advantage of having a bad summer is that Ed Miliband can go to

:08:19.:08:21.

his conference facing low summer is that Ed Miliband can go to

:08:21.:08:25.

expectations. All he has to do is not dribble on the lectern, and it

:08:25.:08:28.

will be written up as spectacular. not dribble on the lectern, and it

:08:28.:08:33.

He might not even use a lectin. Structurally, he is in a good

:08:33.:08:39.

position. The electoral vagaries of the system work in his favour. He

:08:39.:08:44.

still has a narrow poll lead, he is not out of the game at all. Of the

:08:44.:08:48.

three main party leaders, the only one who can be confident about being

:08:48.:08:53.

three main party leaders, the only in government after 2015 is Nick

:08:53.:08:58.

Clegg. David Cameron faces a difficult structural position

:08:58.:09:01.

electorally. But if it is this bad for Labour at the moment, what will

:09:01.:09:07.

it be like if this recovery turns out to be real? It depends how much

:09:07.:09:14.

they succeed. Chuka Umunna was shifting the debate are living

:09:14.:09:17.

standards. They don't want to keep arguing about who called it right.

:09:17.:09:21.

Do people feel richer than they were in 2010? The data suggests that

:09:21.:09:28.

people don't feel richer than in 2010. Because they are not.That is

:09:28.:09:33.

the basis on which Labour will fight the next election. It is clear that

:09:33.:09:39.

Labour are unclear on what to say or do next. They have just got to hope

:09:39.:09:43.

and pray that the economy is not as soundly based as it appears to be

:09:43.:09:46.

and that George Osborne is Tony Barber, who thought he fixed the

:09:46.:09:53.

economy in the 1970s and hadn't, just before the next crash. There

:09:53.:09:56.

are all sorts of uncertainties - China, the bond market, the housing

:09:56.:10:01.

bubble might be blown up, and Labour just had to hope something goes

:10:01.:10:06.

wrong for Osborne. Chuka Umunna said he would not get rid of help to buy.

:10:06.:10:10.

There are all these criticisms about he would not get rid of help to buy.

:10:10.:10:14.

artificial schemes pumping up house prices, but he would not say that.

:10:14.:10:20.

It is tortuous. You see this again and again. When asked if Labour

:10:20.:10:28.

would repeal the bedroom tax, or the same thing with Royal Mail, it

:10:28.:10:36.

happens again. They will be falling on people who have not had a meal in

:10:36.:10:38.

years because there is so little on people who have not had a meal in

:10:38.:10:42.

coming out of the Labour Party. There is a kind and Gillette in with

:10:42.:10:46.

them to a politician's career. When they are under attack for a long

:10:47.:10:50.

time, the media get bored after a while and switch the story. It

:10:50.:10:52.

happened to Osborne, who had a while and switch the story. It

:10:52.:10:57.

horrific 2012 and has recovered this year. It will probably happen to Ed

:10:57.:11:00.

Miliband. He can't keep getting as bad press as he is getting at the

:11:00.:11:06.

moment, because people find it tedious. Syria has been the big

:11:06.:11:11.

foreign-policy event this summer. It has remarkably led to a Soviet-

:11:11.:11:14.

foreign-policy event this summer. It American initiative to get Syria to

:11:14.:11:20.

give up its chemical weapons. The world will now expect the Assad

:11:20.:11:25.

regime to live up to its public commitments. As I said at the outset

:11:25.:11:27.

of these negotiations, there can be no games, no room for avoidance or

:11:27.:11:39.

anything less than full compliance. John Kerry. Is this too good to be

:11:39.:11:45.

true? Even superficially, it is not very good. The only people who

:11:45.:11:49.

emerge with any sense of triumph are the Russians, who have had their

:11:49.:11:51.

emerge with any sense of triumph are biggest diplomatic coup. They are

:11:51.:11:53.

back on the stage again. B if you biggest diplomatic coup. They are

:11:53.:11:56.

want to know why Putin even has a biggest diplomatic coup. They are

:11:57.:12:01.

constituency in Russia, it is because of moments like this. They

:12:01.:12:04.

were humiliated after the end of the Cold War, and a Nou Camp is a great

:12:04.:12:07.

were humiliated after the end of the power again. Then you have the Obama

:12:07.:12:11.

situation, because he has ended up where he wanted to end up. He has

:12:11.:12:14.

situation, because he has ended up avoided war and extracted a

:12:14.:12:17.

concession from Syria, but the way he got there was so embarrassing. It

:12:17.:12:19.

concession from Syria, but the way made him look weak and erratic as a

:12:19.:12:21.

concession from Syria, but the way leader. There were contradictions

:12:21.:12:25.

between himself and his Secretary of State last week, and it has not done

:12:25.:12:32.

him any good. I was in the States, and it was open season on him. I

:12:32.:12:40.

have never understood the idea of chemical weapons as a red line when

:12:40.:12:44.

you can massacre people in their thousands through other means. But

:12:44.:12:46.

you can massacre people in their everybody seems to agree that

:12:46.:12:50.

chemical weapons are beyond the pale. The rebels are miserable. We

:12:50.:12:58.

have run out of time. I will have to ask you what you think about Syria

:12:58.:13:02.

next week, which gives you time to prepare. Your book on Fred the shred

:13:02.:13:09.

is going well? It is.I am back tomorrow at noon with the Daily

:13:09.:13:11.

is going well? It is.I am back Politics at noon on BBC Two, where

:13:11.:13:13.

we will have more from the Liberal Politics at noon on BBC Two, where

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Democrat conference in Glasgow. It is the start of our Daily Politics

:13:17.:13:19.

conference coverage. Next week, we is the start of our Daily Politics

:13:19.:13:22.

will be back here at our normal time of 11am, when we will be joined by

:13:22.:13:27.

the Conservative Party chairman, Grant Shapps. Remember, if it is

:13:27.:13:31.

Sunday, it is the Sunday Politics.

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