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Morning folks, and welcome to the Sunday Politics.

After Friday's failed coup, the crackdown in Turkey begins

with thousands of arrests and threats of retribution,

including the death penalty for rebels.

What does the turmoil mean for Turkey's future,

Nato and the fight against Islamic State?

I wish you all the best and I am supporting you all the way. Do I get

a hug? Jeremy Corbyn's confident

that his fans will ensure he's re-elected - but he tells us

that the rules of Labour's leadership election are unfair

and the party's national executive She was a "Remainer"

but Theresa May's promised to deliver on the voters' verdict

and take us out of the EU - And in Northern Ireland: As we say

goodbye to Theresa Villiers, her successor, James Brokenshire,

outlines his priorities And we hear live from the First

and Deputy First Ministers. Since we broadcast last week,

a new Prime Minister, a new government, carnage in Nice

and an attempted coup in Turkey. The unexpected is now

commonplace, major news events But one thing that doesn't change

here on Sunday mornings is that we always bring you the best

and the brightest political panel in the business -

Steve Richards, Isabel Oakeshott So Friday night's attempted army

coup in Turkey failed and President Erdogan has moved

ruthlessly to re-establish He says the coup was "a gift from

God" because it gives him a reason A major clampdown on dissent is now

widely anticipated, Let's get the latest

from our Correspondent Is it underway? Is it expected to be

pretty ruthless? Yes. It is underway. The crackdown has already

taken place. Around 3000 soldiers have been detained including

high-ranking generals and around 3000 judges have been dismissed from

their posts. Many judges have also been detained. President Recep

Tayyip Erdogan had already said that those behind the coup attempt would

be paying a heavy price and that is what we are seeing at the moment.

Many people think that the crackdown will further deepen. The government

thinks that the movement of Fethullah Gulen is behind this

attempt. That is something that Fethullah Gulen denies. He is a

cleric based in Pennsylvania, Annex aisle who used to be on good terms

with the government, and Mr Hird one himself. -- Mr Erdogan. Fethullah

Gulen has said he has been involved includes himself, but he played no

part in this one. Although the square would normally be packed with

hundreds of tourists, the beauty of Istanbul being celebrated, but last

night it was a different story, packed with hundreds of supporters

of the government, chanting slogans like, God is great, in protest of

the coup attempt. They adhered to the call coming from President

Erdogan to take it out to the streets. They were jubilant because

they felt empowered, in the part they played in suppressing the coup

attempt. If there was a source of resistance to President is Erdogan,

it was not the army, and I would suggest that he is going to take

over the army, and he will have complete control. He was already

pretty authoritarian before this happened. Is Turkey now in danger of

a dictatorship? That is a question that many people asked. In Turkey

and in the world. People who do not necessarily aligned themselves with

the government policies were already cautious about Mr Erdogan's

tendencies about getting more executive powers. It is no secret

that President Erdogan once to change the parliamentary system in

Turkey to a presidential system which would give him powers that no

other president has seen before in Turkey. And now that he has managed

to suppress this coup attempt, many people in Turkey fear that this

could actually play into the hands of Mr Hird one, and turn the country

into an alt. Chrissie, as you have said. -- way into the hands of Mr

Erdogan. But on the other hand, Mr Erdogan's supporters are jubilant

and they think that this was a victory of democracy. Yesterday the

Turkish parliament convened an extraordinary session and all the

opposition parties supported the government. The portrayed a stand

against the coup attempt. The Prime Minister thanked them and said that

this could be a threshold moment for Turkish politics but considering

that Turkey is a polarised country and politics is divided, whether the

government can bring everybody together after these 48 hours of

trauma, it is a difficult task. They give very much. -- thank you very

much. We're joined by the Foreign Affairs

analyst, Tim Marshall. Let's look back at what happened

here. The Turkish army, traditionally does not like Islamist

leaning governments and has mounted three successful coups, turning

Turkey to a more secular at two secular government. What was this, a

gang that could not shoot straight or the keystone cops to make a bit

of both. It was white, they did most of the right things but they did not

have the depth above them. Above them, they had no support. They made

two massive errors. They did not kill President Erdogan. That is the

first thing you should do. I am not advocating it! It is a 101 guide to

coups! But that is paragraph one, kill or at least capture the

president. And shut down the media. They went to the state television,

and in the 20th century, all the media was in one building and you

would close it down. But they forgot that in the 21st-century, there was

CNN Turkey still on a, and they did not close down social media, so Mr

Erdogan, who hates social media and Twitter, pepper and --

hypocritically gets onto Facebook and says to Turkey, get into the

streets and because the coup is white and not deep, very soon the

call to prayer goes out, and they know it is not the proper time, and

it means going to the street. Within half an hour, the people outnumber

the troops and the pendulum swings the other way. If Turkey faces a

serious clamp-down, a move from authoritarianism to something

bordering on dictator -- a dictatorship, this surely has huge

obligations for Turkey's relations with America and the EU? And for the

fight with Islamic State. This goes from being a domestic event to one

with regional and geopolitical implications. And a Nato member.

It's funny, we talk about him all the time, but as your correspondent

said, this is a parliamentary republic, where traditionally the

president is simply a figurehead but because he is so dominant and has

total control of the HK party, all he had to do was switch from one job

to the next. And all the power went with him because of the atmosphere

at not because of the law. But he tried last year to move the powers

legally into his office. He is closing down the media, he is now

getting rid of the remnants in the Army that art not with him, and he

has the support of the mosques and parliament. It is becoming a

democratic dictatorship, a phrase I came up with for the loss of itch in

Serbia, you bring two new radio stations out that broadcast so

loudly that free speech is still allowed, but it cannot be heard.

Remember the Civil War was the Kurds? That will just be utterly

ruthless. This is a hugely historic event in Turkey's history because

previous army coups have won and he will now take out the army as an

independent force and it will become much more authoritarian, perhaps

even autocratic. Where does this leave Western relations with Turkey?

I think we can agree that it is not going to join the European Union any

time soon so we can scotch that one. I think the ultimate dilemma must be

for Nato. It is a security organisation but it is also an

organisation defined by certain values and practices and if

President Erdogan responds to the coup attempt by tightening freedoms

further, by intervening against the judiciary and the Armed Forces

further, then there must be a dilemma at some stage for Nato. I

thought it might have been telling that three or four hours, I don't

know if Tim agrees, for the US at least, if not Nato, to say anything

about the coup, when they did they did not mention President Erdogan by

name. I don't know if that suggests they know what side there bread is

buttered on and they were waiting to see if the coup would succeed. But

it is a huge event for the West and Turkey. The state was founded on

secular ideals. The Armed Forces have always been seen as an

invigilator of government. I am right in saying that the Turkish

president has never been commander-in-chief, officially, in

the way that a US president would be. Or a French president. Many

people think that what he wants to do is create an executive style

French presidency. You would still have a parliament and a Prime

Minister but it would be the president that matters, rather than

just being head of state. Turkey has been so pivotal, first of all in

dealing with the migrant crisis in the eastern Mediterranean, with the

situation in Syria, and Islamic State, and in the region as a

regional superpower that balances Iran and even Saudi Arabia. We don't

know where this is going to lead now. And has been talk for a long

time about how it is massively in the interest of the West to have a

stable Turkey. It has not been stable for some time and it will not

be, even if this coup was a somewhat silly, ill thought through coup, it

is clearly destabilising and will have consequences for a long time to

come. I would be interesting to -- I would be interested to hear from Tim

whether the EU has some leveraged because Turkey's desire to join it.

That dynamic, although clearly not the agenda in spite of the farcical

things said during the referendum campaign, that gives the EU some

leveraged in reshaping what happens in Turkey. You wonder if that is

even on his mind. It will not be. But the president has so many

domestic fish to fry, and that might not be a very good metaphor given

what he is about to do. If he is about to reintroduce the death

penalty, it becomes very difficult to talk about Turkey being part of

the EU. What do our diplomats do? It is in our interest to encourage the

dreamer but it does not look compatible with the way that things

are being carried out. Remarkably, these events in Gneiss had been

overshadowed by Turkey and yet it only happened on Thursday night and

this is Sunday morning. I suggest that the reaction in France to Nice

is going to be very different. Charlie Hebdo, the Bataclan, there

was great solidarity and it brought France together. I think this is

different because people have had enough and it is different because

there are clear security questions. No barrier on the promenade. We are

told that there was a barrier when the military parades took place but

it was removed after words, and already the politicians are ganging

up on the government and this is becoming a major pre-election issue.

That's right. The election is next year and Marine Le Pen is

positioning herself very strongly with the National Front. There is a

public divided on how to approach it and even if this is not Islamic

State, and I am not convinced that it is, it happens in the context of

Islamic State and of mass slaughter in the name of something. It is

another chip away at our freedoms. And that is, in itself, a success.

They are going to continue. I believe the rise of the right is far

from Peking. And it plays absolutely into next year's presidential

election. Going back from the presidential election, that all

comes into what the EU is going to look like. We are in a state of

flux. You are old enough, forgive me, Andrew, to know that everybody

always says it has never been as bad as now and it is always untrue. But

it is actually more corrugated than I have ever known it. And you may

agree. I do agree. The Conservatives completed

their leadership contest in a matter of days,

Labour's has barely begun. There are now two candidates

standing against Jeremy Corbyn - Angela Eagle and Owen Smith -

but the Labour Leader has told us that the rules which exclude

recently signed up members from voting in the contest

are unfair and he wants the party's national executive

to change them. Adam Fleming went for a walk

in the park with Mr Corbyn. This is the lake that was built

here in the 19th century, rather strange lake on the top

of the hill. I went for a stroll

round the Labour leader's favourite local beauty spot -

Finsbury Park in north London. Do you have time to take a casual

stroll with a journalist Yes, because doing things

in a relaxed way is important, and doing other things is important,

so going to a park, being in your However busy I am, my

allotment is tended. It's in good order, we had a good

crop of broad beans and we ate A slightly less relaxing

part of his week. At a meeting of Labour's national

executive on Tuesday, Jeremy Corbyn secured an automatic

place in the leadership election. But he's not happy with new rules

that say people who joined the party There's going to be some quite

intense discussions over the next few days, I suspect,

and I hope our party officials and National Executive will see

sense on this and recognise that those people who have freely

given their time and money to join the Labour Party should be welcomed

in and given the opportunity to take part in this crucial debate,

whichever way they decide to vote. I'm hoping there will be

an understanding that it is simply not very fair to say to people that

joined the party in the last six months, "sorry, your participation

is no longer welcome because we are having

a leadership contest." In the next few days,

various Labour factions will be racing to sign people up

as registered supporters, It costs ?25, not ?3

like in the last contest. For people who can't afford the 25

quid, what would you suggest If they can't afford the ?25,

what they do? It seems to me the ?25 bar is quite

high and not really reasonable. A lot of people have said to me,

people stop me in the street saying, "I would love to vote in this

election but I can't afford ?25." He is also disappointed that

virtually all local party meetings have been suspended over

fears of intimidation. I haven't stopped party meetings

taking place and I actually I think party meetings

should take place. Intimidation of any sort by anybody

is absolutely wrong, but to cancel meetings

because of the perception that intimidation might take place

I think is a big mistake. The issues appear to be that

where meetings have taken place, far more people have attended

than were expected and so there has been issues about how people

can get in the room, whereas there's a fairly

simple answer to that - Talking of meetings,

who was he with when Theresa May was taking over as Prime Minister

earlier this week? I was with an all-party group,

including Conservatives, talking to two of the Miami five

who had been in prison in Miami and were released

by the court decisions of USA and the new rapprochement with Cuba

and actually welcoming the fact there had been an agreement

reached in Cuba. I was actually with Conservatives

and Labour people. I was there for about 20 minutes,

then I went back to my office And so you felt that was a good use

of your time at that point when the country was transitioning

from one Prime Minister to another? Informing yourself by listening

to people from all kinds of walks This morning I was on the phone

to friends in Istanbul and Ankara And so when an issue happens

anywhere in the world, obviously I read all the briefings

that I've been given, obviously I follow the news

and information, but also I quite often know people in different

places around the world so I call Can I get a hug

for that? He also seems to know a lot

of people in this park. What do you think about

Angela Eagle and Owen Smith I have been trying to unregister

from the Green Party so that I can register with the Labour Party

so that I can support you. We were walking round

with Jeremy Corbyn, What did you shout

out when you saw him? I don't know what I said,

something awful like... Something like "you've

ruined the Labour Party". Something like, "step aside and stop

ruining the Labour Party," I guess. And I couldn't let Jeremy go

without introducing him to the craze sweeping the nation,

Pokemon Go. He didn't seem that bothered

but then he's playing a much bigger game, trying to hold onto his job,

and that's no walk in the park. Our work this morning has not

been in vain. And a longer version of that

interview with Jeremy Corbyn We're joined now from Salford

though by the Shadow Education Secretary,

Angela Rayner. Welcome to the programme. Jeremy

Corbyn wants to allow people who joined in the last six months of

your party to vote, he thinks the ?25 fee is too high. Isn't it just

typical of the chaos Labour is now in that you are holding a leadership

contest before you have agreed rules? Good morning, I think it's

important we recognise the Labour Party is transformed with now over

half a million members joined, which is fantastic. We are the largest

democratic social party across Europe. For me it is about

democracy. I asked about the rules, should you be having a contest

before you have agreed rules? The rules were decided at the NEC

meeting which lasted seven hours, quite a lengthy marathon... You want

to change them? People need to reflect upon the current situation

and there has been outrage. 130,000 people have joined since the

referendum, and we have got to give them the opportunity to have their

voice heard. Have these 130,000 that joined after the referendum been

properly vetted? That is a situation that the NEC and our party has got

to approve and go through. We did it last time, we had a huge number of

people join our party recently. Have that number been vetted or not? You

have got to allow democracy. What we do is we ensure we get more people,

more staff, more ability to deal with that issue because democracy is

important, it is enshrined. Hold on, you are starting the leadership

campaign and you still haven't vetted those who may be allowed to

vote, that's what I mean by chaos, if not fast. I don't think it's

chaotic to have over half a million people join our party and want to

have a say, it is a positive step. It is if you cannot vet them come

you don't know if they are members of the Socialist workers party, the

Greens, the Communists, the National front, the Conservatives. You have

no idea. We have 130,000 people who have joined in the last three weeks,

which the Conservative Party have around 150,000 members per se. We

have over half a million members so we are doing a great job. The

Trotskyists and other groups you are suggesting may be trying to join our

party, they are not in the great numbers we see at the moment. It is

important to give people a say about the future of our country and party.

I love democracy. Will you definitely be voting for Mr Corbyn

this time because you didn't last time. No, I supported Andy Burnham

last time, but I recognise Jeremy Corbyn had a significant mandate to

lead our party. I don't think it's time to have a leadership contest. I

will not be nominating another candidate, I will be recognising our

democratically elected leader. I asked who you will be voting for. I

will be supporting -- our democratically elected leader. Can

you say the words, I will vote for Jeremy Corbyn? I have made it clear

what my position is, and that's about democracy and our members

making... Are you or aren't you? I have told you I will be supporting

our democratically elected leader of our party. I want to hold the

Government to account, we have a bill coming up on Tuesday... I'm

puzzled, are you voting for Mr Corbyn? Your viewers want to see us

holding this Government to account. I have tried to answer your question

but you don't want to listen to my answer. Could you name the person

you will be voting for in this election? I will be listening to our

membership and in the meantime holding the Government to account

and supporting our democratically elected leader of our party, which

is Jeremy Corbyn. A new poll shows Theresa May leads Jeremy Corbyn 58%

to 19, on who would make the better Prime Minister. It shows 40% of

Labour voters think Theresa May would make a better Prime Minister.

Why are you backing, if you are, I'm still not clear, why are you backing

a loser? Our party is seen as quite divided and divided parties never

win elections. We don't disagree on policy points, we have to get our

policy points across to the electorate and then they will

decide. Theresa May has the challenge of bringing her

Conservative Party together. There was no competition, no democracy

within the Conservative Party in terms of who they wanted as leader.

She has a job to do because the country has never been more divided

than it is now and that's directly as a result of the Conservatives.

You all seem to have a job to do. Speaking of Mrs May, is the Labour

Party now the nasty party? No, Theresa May had it right, the

Conservatives continue to be so. They are cutting education funding

by up to 8% in this Parliament, they want to prioritise the NHS and have

already been creeping that in. They are not on the side of ordinary

people in this country. Theresa May has said she wants the Conservatives

to be a party for everybody and working people across the country.

Now her words have to be matched by actions. Let me ask you this about

Labour. Meetings of constituency Labour parties have been suspended

from fear of intimidation. There are death threats and violence, a brick

thrown through the window of the office block where Angela Eagle's

constituency is housed. Police have had to investigate. I ask again, is

it not Labour that is the nasty party? I think any act of abuse and

intimidation is disgusting in politics and many politicians from

all sides of the house have had death threats and threats of

violence, and that has got to be stamped out of a modern democracy.

Why is it in the Labour Party this is happening? It happens across the

spectrum in politics and it is disgusting. But it cannot stop

democracy either, we have got to continue to uphold and enshrined our

democracy in everything we do because it is important. It means a

lot to a lot of people but you cannot win on democracy by abusing,

threatening and intimidating the other side of the argument. You have

got to have a constructive debate and people have got to have their

democratic right to vote. Thanks for being with us this morning.

Now, despite signing up to David Cameron's Remain strategy,

our new Prime Minister has put navigating the UK's departure

from the EU and retaining the union at the centre

We're joined now by the Conservative MP and former attorney-general

The appointment of three key Cabinet positions to Brexiteers - Boris

Johnson, David Davis, and Liam Fox - reflects this.

A few days before his appointment, the Brexit Secretary set

out how he'd proceed with separation from the EU.

He said triggering new trade talks were a

priority and wanted the UK to negotiate free-trade deals with

Mr Davis believes the UK should not budge on control of our borders, but

the tariff-free access to the EU single market is still his preferred

The Brexit Secretary acknowledged that talks with the

Scottish, Welsh, and Northern Ireland governments

And Theresa May made the first step on Thursday, telling

Nicola Sturgeon in Edinburgh that she is willing to listen

to options on Scotland's future relationship

Mrs May said Britain would not rush into

Brexit negotiations and would need some time to prepare.

However, Mr Davis said Article 50 should be

and mean Britain would be out of the EU by January

We're joined now by the Conservative MP and former attorney-general

Dominic Grieve, who campaigned for Remain, and the Labour MP

who chaired the Vote Leave campaign, Gisela Stewart.

We are joined by Dominic Grieve and the chairman of the boat Leave

campaign, Gisela Stuart. -- Vote Leave. As Theresa May delivered? I

think she has. I think it was important that you made clear that

Brexit meant Brexit. We had to make a clear that there was no second

referendum in the offering. That required certainty for the country.

Are you satisfied with that? I am completely satisfied with her

approach, yes. It is clear that the vote, as expressed in the

referendum, has to be respected. We have to take forward a programme for

removing the United Kingdom from the EU. Really that is going to be an

immensely comported process and it also carries with it economic risks,

certainly in the short to medium term. I am also open-minded as to

how one best does that. I think we're going to have to respond to

events as well as trying to shape them. We have seen a blueprint

published by my friend and colleague, David Davis, about

Britain's outside the EU. I expect that 99.9% of conservatives would

subscribe to that but getting to it is more congregated. We need to

unpick this bit by bit. When do we trigger article 50? You need to go

in reverse, like a reverse accession process. The most important thing is

trade negotiations. As I understand that you cannot have a bilateral

agreement unless you have notified Article 50. But you must have some

idea of the time? The sooner the better. When do you think we should

trigger article 50. I think we should trigger at when there is some

clarity as to what the scope of the negotiations that will follow will

be. This is the first big hurdle. Clearly if our European partners do

not want to negotiate with us at all, even informally, prior to

triggering Article 50, that might presents difficulties but from the

point of view of the Prime Minister, she will make up her own mind.

Actually getting some clear idea of what it is that the United Kingdom

is seeking in terms of a future relationship is going to very

important. And I think it is impossible to give a particular time

frame. But I agree with Gisela Stuart. But the time frame has to

work and it has to be done in good time for the 2020 election, so you

can work back from that. I think you can, but I think that she needs, the

Prime Minister needs to be given maximum flexibility about this

because boxing herself in to how she goes about what is going to be one

of the most difficult political transformations this country has

gone through in modern times, I think that requires pragmatism. Does

it require a vote of Parliament to trigger Article 50? Not necessarily.

Let's come back to something. This is not just about our relationship

with the EU, it is our relationship with the rest of the world.

Triggering Article 50 has also been interpreted into how we talk with

other countries. But we can talk with them without concluding deals?

But in terms of negotiations, there comes a point that to make it

meaningful, you have to trigger it. But I want to ask you, do we need a

vote in parliament to trigger Article 50? Undoubtedly. It is a

matter of convention. The idea that a government could take a decision

of such massive importance to the United Kingdom without Parliamentary

approval, it seems to me to be extremely far-fetched. It is not

about law. It is about convention and reality. Do you agree? I can see

the arguments from both sides but I don't think you absolutely have to

do it. We have not got a lot of time, would you vote for triggering

Article 50? Yes. I have made it quite clear that the result of the

referendum must mean that we have to be willing to embark on the process.

I put in one rider to that which is that it seems to me that any

sensible decision has to be made at the time you make it. But that is

not a suggestion that I am going to suddenly decide not to support

triggering Article 50, but triggering Article 50 is an

important political step to withdraw from the EU. One has to keep that in

mind. Do you worry that people like Dominic Grieve are teeing themselves

up to call for a second referendum on the nature of the deal we will

do? I do. I think if there is one thing the European Union is very

good at, it is that when political necessity is in the interest of both

sides, they are capable of rewriting the rules. So the European Union

itself has to look at the problems it faces, and then at what the best

deal is. There is a danger that those who do not like the outcome of

the referendum get themselves hooked on Article 50, rather than saying

that there is a new reality out there and we need to deal with that

in the interests of the United Kingdom. If you could bring it

about, you would have a second referendum, wouldn't you? Not

necessarily. The justification for having a second referendum is if the

circumstances that prevail at the time and justify it because

circumstances that prevail at the time and justify it because there is

some legitimate question to put to the electorate. I am very wary of

circumscribing oneself. The referendum is no different from the

general election in this sense. It is a statement at the time of what

people want in terms of the way policy is taken forward. If people's

opinions change, it would be extraordinary. And I think the only

way you can judge that is by looking and listening to what people are

saying to you. Opinion polls can measure it. Like the opinion polls

that told you your site was going to win the referendum? I am not sure I

ever believe those polls. But they did. If you take a decision on the

base of those polls... But what is the question that one might be

asking. What the public have asked us to do is quite clear. They have

given, by a majority of 1.2 million people, not insubstantial, they have

said they want a fundamental change to the UK's relationship with the EU

and they see that relationship as being one where we are outside of

it. I have to respect that. And we have not got much time so I am going

to interrupt. You have had a good save. Gisela Stuart, here is the

point. There is a lot of people on the Labour side listening to Dominic

Grieve and nodding their heads. Owen Smith, one of the leadership

contenders, he basically wants a second referendum, and you are going

to have to start gearing up for that. Do you fear that this could be

foisted upon you? I think it would be a disastrous step because both

political parties need to search why they were so out of step with the

electorate, particularly the Labour Party. It is a Parliamentary

democracy were we get elected to do a job and that is to either hold the

government to account or to be the government. We have asked them and

they have reflected, in large numbers, they have said that we want

to leave. And they expect us to get on with the job. I am sorry to rush

you but we have been short of time. It's just gone 11.35,

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and Sunday Politics Wales. Coming up here in 20

minutes, the Week Ahead. First though, the Sunday

Politics where you are. Hello and welcome to Sunday Politics

in Northern Ireland. Theresa May has shown the door

to Theresa Villiers, and now her successor as Secretary

of State outlines his vision I think the most important thing now

is that we do move on with that best deal that is possible for Northern

Ireland and the rest of the UK. Also this morning, at the end

of a tumultuous political term, we talk to the First Minister

and the Deputy First Minister to hear their thoughts

on the challenges ahead. And with their take on it all,

I'm joined by journalists The Cabinet cull by

the new Prime Minister, Theresa May, saw her namesake,

Theresa Villiers, replaced by James Brokenshire

as Secretary of State. The South East London MP

faces a host of issues, many of them historical,

but also - and a much more recent development -

the consequences of last month's vote to leave the EU,

and the implications of that So when I spoke to Mr Brokenshire

on Friday, I began by asking him why he thinks he was given

the Northern Ireland job. I think Theresa Villiers did an

incredible job as Secretary of State firms or referred, she has a strong

legacy of issues she took forward, creating great stability and

advocating security and prosperity. I want to continue with that work,

respecting the Belfast Agreement and making progress in relation to the

Stormont House Agreement and fresh start, and I look forward to working

with everyone across communities, reaching out and listening and

taking the best outcome for Northern Ireland. You were a supporter of the

Remain campaign. Do you think that is why you were appointed? You can

see from my approach that I believe in stability, security and

prosperity. They are the guiding factors that have taken me forward

and it is that approach I intend to bring in my new role. I have

experienced from my time dealing with counterterrorism but it is a

real opportunity we have here. We have had the outcome of the

referendum, I campaigned for remains but we now need to get on and chat

that positive course for Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK as we

look to that future outside the EU. The two largest parties here, the

DUP and Sinn Fein, hold different editions on Brexit. How do you hope

to square that circle? It's important I listen carefully and

work with all communities in Northern Ireland, but the UK public

have sent a clear message they want to see the UK outside the EU. It is

important we get on with that task and I will provide a clear voice for

Northern Ireland within the government to set out how we get the

best possible outcome, working with the Executive. I've spoken to the

First Minister and Deputy First Minister and I want to continue

those discussions as we chart the course. But the challenge for you is

that 56% of people in Northern Ireland but to remain, and that's a

different result from the picture across the UK. I campaigned for

Remain but equally I think we need to respect that overall picture

that's been presented from the UK. It's important now that we get on

with that task, having been given that message, to ensure we get the

best possible outcome. I view this as a positive way to approach this,

to make sure we look at those opportunities for trade, injuring

with the two that positive future but unconscious of what this means

for the border. I've had conversations with Frances

Fitzgerald, the Irish Interior Minister, to emphasise the need for

close collaboration so we can ensure we do not see the return of orders

in place. I believe there's a strong commitment from both to achieve that

and that is a priority item I will take forward. Martin McGuinness says

he told the Prime Minister yesterday he want to see the democratically

expressed will of the people here protected I find it away to enable

Northern Ireland to stay in the EU. Is that up for discussion? The

Northern Irish people have given a view as part of the UK perspective

on the referendum and the UK as a whole have underlined a view that we

have that future for the UK outside the EU. I think rather than inject

instability and uncertainty, we now need to complement and ensure we

drive that positive vision for the future and that is the role I want

to play, yes, working with all communities, listening but

delivering on that objective so we can to the future with that positive

sense of what we can and will be outside the EU. But the difficulty

is that we do not have certainty on any of these issues. Local optician

's sake their number 130 is to represent the best interests of

their constituents and they will in mind that the new Prime Minister

came to Northern Ireland to campaign three weeks ago and could not have

been clearer, the interests of Northern Ireland would be best

served by remaining in the EU. There is no point dwelling on the campaign

of the past. But it is for people in Northern Ireland because that is

what best represents people here. The most important thing is that we

do move on with that best deal that is possible for Northern Ireland and

the rest of the UK. That is what we need to put our focus on because we

will look towards those negotiations, toward the powers we

will need to take back from the EU and there will be clear issues from

Northern Ireland in relation to this, which is why the role I have

now I see as important in advocating at the heart of government in terms

of the best interests of Northern Ireland but I will work closely with

the Executive and leaders and politicians from across Northern

Ireland as we take that forward. You mentioned the border. Before the

referendum, to Theresa May said in her view there would have to be

harder border controls in the event of a Brexit vote. Is she right about

that? It is important we maintained the common travel area, which

existed before the UK entered what was then the common market, and that

is a priority, that we do not seem border controls. There is a strong

commitment from the Irish government and ourselves to see that doesn't

happen but that has to be an important priority item for me and I

have had discussions with the Irish government to take this forward to

see that does not happen. We're talking about the free movement of

people, what about customs and trade because the Irish government is

concerned there may need to be border controls as far as that is

concerned? That is damaging for the Republic's economy. Yes, it is also

about business and trade, ensuring we have that prosperity agenda and

it is these issues that we will need to have conversations with the Irish

government as well as the European Commission and member states, and

it's absolutely why it matters that we are taking the clear approach we

are in wanting to protect that Common travel area not just for

people but also goods and services, and it is those issues I will be

taking forward. You mentioned your involvement as a Home Office

minister with counterterrorism. What is your assessment of the incident

terrorist threat here in Northern Ireland and across the rest of the

UK? We have a severe level of threat and one of the priority items that I

am taking forward is to work with the PSNI to ensure that we are

maintaining that position of safety and security. It was an important

part of the work of my predecessor, continuing the work and ensuring we

have those issues of security at the heart of our agenda, but

acknowledging the legacy issues and that is something I am conscious of

in terms equally of working with survivors and victims and taking

forward those important aspects of the Stormont House Agreement and

continuing to see that as a priority item. That item has proved an

obstinate sticking point for a long time and several of your successors

have failed to deal with it. It keeps being kicked into the long

grass. What makes you believe you will sort it out? I do want to, as a

priority, to meet survivors and Vic 's, to see this as an essential

aspect of the work I need to take forward as Secretary of State. There

has been progress made under the agreements but we need to move this

forward, and all I would say is I recognise those legacy issues of the

past very clearly and that is a priority item for me. Sinn Fein said

yesterday there is no need for a Northern Ireland Secretary of state

anymore, the role should be abolished. You think you might be

the last one to pull the job? With all these issues arising from the

referendum, from the security agenda, it now matters into the

future as well as having a Secretary of State at the heart of the UK

armoured to ensure those issues in Northern Ireland are championed and

respected and ensure we get that best possible future deal for

Northern Ireland to drive bought the future prosperity and I'm looking

forward to getting out and meeting people and taking that issue

forward, and being that voice at the heart of government to get that

wasn't a version which I'm determined to do.

The new Secretary of State, James Brokenshire.

Allison, what do you make of what he had to say? He said a lot of words

but not a lot of detail, and that is to separate secretary of States who

have pushed on the movement of goods across the border but we are unable

to get any details of how it will happen. He said the Common travel

area would remain but it's impossible for the transportation of

goods across the border to remain as it is one part of Ireland will still

be in the EU and one part down, and the Irish Vermont will have to

answer to other EU member states, who will not allow things to stay as

they are. He doesn't have details as to how that will work and we are now

further on than we were a couple of months ago. There are still a lot of

unknowns. Yes, a lot of it was fairly land, he could be speaking

very cautiously but one disadvantage he has is that DUP and Sinn Fein

were on different sides of the Brexit debate, but in his favour the

five big parties of government for all in favour of not having a hard

border, Sinn Fein and the DUP have wanted. My instinct remains that

eight deal will be phoned between London and Dublin. But it is not

just about London and Dublin but about Brussels, this will not be a

bilateral deal. Except that but like gut instinct is that they need to

keep that political process going and I think therefore find a way and

Brussels will not want to interfere too much and will find a way of

saying they can live with that. What you think nationalists will make of

James Brokenshire being given the job? Is a bit of an unknown and I

think he was given the job for being a supporter of the Theresa May end

the campaign, you could see in the/ of the Cabinet she rewarded a lot of

people who had been loyal to her, he doesn't have a hardback that follow

in that the last Secretary of State was pretty hands-off so he is not

having to follow on from a great act.

Algae talking to Martin McGuinness any moment but first Arlene Foster

joins me live from her constituency. Do you think James Brokenshire the

clicky man you can do business with? I do want to pay tribute to Theresa

Villiers for the work she has been involved in here in Northern

Ireland. We had a difficult involved in here in Northern

available to us when we needed to speak with her. She will look back

with some satisfaction at her tenure in Northern Ireland, she didn't know

very much about Northern Ireland when she came over here but she

reads having been very much abreast of the issues here and I told her on

Thursday that she will always be welcome here in Northern Ireland. I

am very much looking forward to working with James Brokenshire. He

has an intimate knowledge of the security situation here in Northern

Ireland and indeed from an immigration point of view that will

be helpful in relation to dealing with issues like the Common travel

area and look forward to taking matters forward with him. He was a

remain campaigner and Theresa May was also a Remain campaigner. Does

that make you uncomfortable, and easy I'm nervous about them being

responsible for delivering Brexit in Northern Ireland? No, not at all

because both the Prime Minister and our new Secretary of State has made

it very clear that they respected the view of the UK people and they

intend to take that forward and indeed the Prime Minister has

appointed people who were on the EU exit side of the debate into very

significant roles and I am looking forward to having a television --

telephone conversation with David Davies in terms of how we take

matters forward for Northern Ireland and Liam Fox as well in relation to

international trade. I am not nervous at all and actually very

reassured at the words from may arrange the union and the importance

of two places in the United Kingdom as a whole and I look forward to

helping her to make sure that that vision is sustained because I just

don't care about Northern Ireland, I care about the whole of the union

and I was very pleased to hear her say the same. As we know, 56% of

people in Northern Ireland voted to Remain. Martin McGuinness said at

the end of last week, he told the new Prime Minister his view remains

that the best interest of people here would be served by finding a

place for this to remain part of the EU. You don't want that happened but

the reality is, that argument is going to be brought forward time and

again by people in discussions over the months ahead. Yes, the argument

will be brought forward but the reality is that we are part of the

UK as a member state and that member state has decided by a referendum by

all those people to leave the EU. It doesn't mean that we're leaving

Europe, it means that we are leading the institutions of the European

Union. My job and Martin McGuinness is to get the best you'll possible

for all of the people of Northern Ireland and that's what I'm

determined to do. Certainly, it is something that I'm very focused on

doing. We have a meeting next week to review the work has been carried

out by our officials and is something we will continue to do

over the summer. How does the executive come position on this

because you and Martin McGuinness do not speak with the one voice on this

issue. When James Brokenshire talk about dealing with this issue and

coming to an arrangement with the executive, the executive is

fundamentally divided on the matter? It's not the first time that we have

taken different viewpoints on particular issues but then when we

are faced with having to deal with the reality of the situation, we

deal with that situation and I have no doubt we will find a position for

Northern Ireland as well. I am certainly focused on the fact that I

am there for all of the people of Northern Ireland and not just there

for the people who voted the office or who voted for Brexit, I am there

for ever ready in Northern Ireland and I intend to take forward their

views in any of the negotiations follow. We are leaving the European

Union, that is the reality. Now, what do we do to make the best out

of that for the people of Northern Ireland? The question is, is there a

possibility that some kind of special arrangement could be arrived

at for Northern Ireland which would satisfy you but also satisfy matters

-- Martin McGuinness which is short of Northern Ireland completely

leaving the European Union, because that what -- that is what Nicola

Sturgeon is talking about, she talked of bed again this morning to

and Marr? We start from the very basic part of the whole of the UK is

leading the European Union. Do I think there is a possibility that we

might have a continuing special relationship with our neighbours in

the Republic of Ireland and the whole of Europe, yes, there is a

possibility that may happen. Europe has already given us a special

position and they already know that Northern Ireland, because a very

difficult pass, has had difficulties but the very basic fundamental is

that we are leaving the European Union. If we can have continuing

good relations with the EU, I am content and I think that would be a

very good thing for Northern Ireland to have. It doesn't take away from

the issue that we're leaving. With respect, that is not Martin

McGuinness's position. He does not accept the fundamental point is

Northern Ireland and whatever he chooses to call it, the north or

this place, is leading the EU. He doesn't see it that way and expect

that is what we will hear from him in a couple of moments. It is fine

for you to see that you can force on the changes mind. No, and I can

force them to change his mind on a lot of issues but the reality is

that we are part of the UK and the UK has voted to leave the EU and

that is the reality that we have to deal with now. Should we ignore that

fact or should we deal with that fact? Take magnetically very simple

fact -- view that we deal with that fact for the best in everyone in

Northern Ireland. Worried at first, stations I had after the vote on the

referendum was the very major investor in Northern Ireland and has

questioned the meat was an we still going to remain within the United

Kingdom because that was a critical point him to know. I said we are

still going to be in the UK because that is a very strong part of our

selling point right across the world. Our membership of the UK is

critical and he doesn't agree with that either, that is the reality as

well. We know what Scotland has done to deal with this issue, the task

force, special meetings, Nicola Sturgeon has been to Brussels,

Theresa Villiers has been to Edinburgh. What about the

establishment of some kind of all Ireland forum to discuss the issue

as it affects the Ireland -- island of Ireland? It is not just about

what happens in Northern Ireland but huge ramifications for the public of

Ireland as well. It does have big implications for the pub Ireland. We

discussed those implications at the North-South ministerial Council. We

had a very good discussion and we will continue those discussions.

There is absolutely no need for another institution to discuss these

issues. I can lift the phone and speak to the Foreign Minister in any

of the ministers any time I want. There is no need for another

institution to deal with these issues. Thank you very much indeed

for joining us. Theresa May clearly doesn't agree

with Sinn Fein that there's no need Does James Brokenshire

look like someone you'll We will have to work with them as

there is no Secretary of State for the knife. Clearly, the last

Secretary of State that we had was a cheerleader for both austerities and

for Brexit. In my opinion, she didn't stand up to the interests of

all the people of the north so I hope that James Brokenshire will

recognise how damaging the austerity agenda was and how it should end.

But also recognise the wish of the people of the north expressed in the

referendum. 56% in favour of staying in Europe and see that our future in

Europe must be respected by the British Government and it is

significant that Theresa May in the aftermath of her meeting with Nicola

Sturgeon in Scotland indicated that she wouldn't trigger Article 50

unless all parts, what she be described as the United Kingdom, I

satisfied. We are not satisfied. Effectively, that hand the veto to

Scotland and to us in the north, then we would use it and I think I

can deliver a vote in the assembly which rejects any attempt to drag us

against our will out of Europe. He's made it clear that,

whatever his views on Brexit before the referendum,

the UK is leaving the EU and that means Northern Ireland

is coming out too. That much, he says,

is not up for discussion. I think it is early days and given

that they haven't yet triggered article 50 and when they do so,

probably sometime towards the latter end of this year or the early part

of next year, or for all we know, a year after that, they are

effectively on the issue of the single market and the whole issue of

free travel for European nationals. This British Government is involved

in a head-on collision with the European Union and who knows what

the consequences of all of that could be. One thing I do know from

talking to different interest groups across the course of the period from

the referendum vote until now is that there is a line within a

business committee, within the committee and voluntary sector,

large sections of the farming and food industry, within our

universities about this decision. I think the fact that the reason they

went to Scotland to meet with Nicola Sturgeon was a clear recognition of

the fact that as she says going forward, she wants to maintain the

union and talks about what she caused the United Kingdom but the

reality is there is little united about the UK. Scotland sees their

future in Europe, we in the north sea our future in Europe, Wales is

very divided on the issue and I think this British Government has to

take account of that. We just heard Arlene Foster say they will be an

executive meeting this week for you review some of the work that's been

done by your senior officials. We heard from James Brokenshire that

the Government will want the year the executive's position as far as

these Brexit negotiations are concerned in future. You have

demonstrated this amply for busy today, you and Arlene Foster do not

speak with one voice on this issue. How do we square the circle? Head of

the executive movies issue forward when the two people heading up the

executive do not agree what happens next? I think what will dictate how

all of us move forward in the time ahead is how the British Government

determines to deal with Article 50 and whether or not they are going to

trigger it. In the event that we find ourselves any situation where

they are prepared to drag us out of the EU against our will. She has

made it abundantly clear, Theresa Villiers, means that -- Brexit. She

is the Prime Minister. -- Theresa May. James Brokenshire has just made

it clear he agrees with that 100% as well. What is clear that all of the

events we have seen in Britain over the cause of the last number of

weeks is that the blitz glassed others in London and Westminster and

Downing Street have been in turmoil, they have been in chaos. Such a

debacle of politics that this island has not seen for 50 odd years. Who

knows happen in the time ahead. One thing is for sure and I accept there

is absolute, Arlene Foster and I as leaders of the executive and charged

with the responsibility to lead our people forward since the last

assembly election, we have a responsibility to work out together

how we can move forward and I am willing to do these discussions with

Arlene Foster 's and we already have these discussions with her. We have

to deal with this very responsibly and iron tends to be very

responsible but at the same time, I think that Arlene Foster has to dig

head of the fact that Theresa May did clearly state in the aftermath

of a meeting with Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland that she wasn't prepared to

trigger article 50 unless all others were content. Well, we are not

content. Do you take anything positive from James Brokenshire's

posit -- commented me that there is, in his view, a hard border need

between north and south and the Common travel area will remain in

place? Are those not things to be positive about from your

prospective? I am totally and absolutely opposed to any sort of

border. It would represent a very grievous undermining of the Good

Friday Agreement. I do appreciate this comment but at the same time

prior to her election as British Prime Minister Theresa May made it

clear in an interview which she done in the north that she did envisage a

hard border in the event that Northern Ireland was to leave. She

is not the only British senior politician to have said that over

the course of the referendum debate and I know a lot of outrageous

things were said during the referendum debate but we have to be

cognisant of the fact that the major issue was swung it for the lead foot

was immigration. The racist you kept and the right-wing of the

Conservative Party actually won the vote on the basis of that argument.

That really does pose a position for us in terms of the ability of EU

nationals throughout Europe who can travel to the south of Ireland at

any time, they can also travel here for the moment, they will argue that

there should be a hard border and I think that would be a huge mistake.

Ukip and members of its say they are not racist, but one last question,

James Brokenshire had a past role dealing with counterterrorism in the

Home Office. How do you feel about that? The great responsibility to do

with people who want to plunge us back to the past, Republicans and

loyalists, the people who deal with that are the gardai and the PSNI and

they have been successful in the watering countless attempts to kill

people -- the watering. We will leave it there.

Martin McGuinness in Clones, thank you.

Now let's take a look back at a momentous week gone past in 60

There was a swift changeover at Number 10, but before leaving office

David Cameron got some last-minute careers advice. The England old

team, there is top gear... There is even, across the big pond...

Fascinating suggestions for future jobs, most sound even harder than

this. After a trip to the Palace the new trimester emphasised her party's

full name, the Conservative and unionist party. We believe in the

union, the precious bond between England, Scotland, Wales and

Northern Ireland. Another tour Reza lost her job, and despite the damage

caused by Eleventh Night bonfires, the Twelfth was generally hailed as

a success. This was about celebration. It has gone well and

all seems well for the future. And Alex Kane and Allison Morris

are here for a final word. We will come on to the conversations

there with the First and Deputy First Ministers in a second, but to

a cup which to Reza make, what do you think we can expect from the new

Tory administration there? I think we will see no move away from the

far right we had under the previous bad deflation, Martin McGuinness

talk about austerity but there will be no backtracking. No end to the

austerity agenda although George Osborne is not in 11 Downing Street?

No, to Reza make was always take on security and removing aspects of the

European right back from British law, so I think we will see a

toughening in that regard. The you agree, Alex? I think what Cameron

had was a centre leading to the right, to Theresa May come this is

centre right verging on to quite hard right-wing and social economic

staff. What about the justice stuff when she was standing on the steps?

A lot of what she said about the union was also tied into working

class scan the chances who voted Labour, she is getting a soft

landing because she wants them on board. Let's talk about James

recruiter, Arlene Foster and Martin McGuinness. Where is the common

ground? There is virtually none, Martin McGuinness refers to Scotland

there any different position from us. The SNP has a strong mandate,

most people are singing off the same hymn sheet. We are being controlled

by the coalition with two parties who have conflict in views on how

Northern Ireland will post it said and one doesn't even want a Brexit.

I cannot see how we will find any common ground. The two editions were

in sharp relief. We had Arlene Foster saying the fundamental point

was we were leaving the EU and Martin McGuinness saying we were not

necessarily. There is no common ground whatsoever. They most both be

right for slightly the front reasons. You had better explain

yourself darts the Reza make said -- Theresa May said Brexit was Brexit,

and Nicola Sturgeon said we needed a UK approach before we trickle

Article 50, she was asked if that meant she had a veto. It depends if

to Theresa May is serious. People say she was always a soft Remainer

but I don't believe that. I would be surprised if we're out of the use

in. We know there is an executive meeting this week. Of these

important conversations are happening in a vacuum with the

Assembly not meeting until the beginning of sub timbre. It seems

bizarre that are going through a bit of turmoil that will affect our

lives and our children's lives for years to come and all the

politicians are on holiday. What do you think of the fact that

politicians are not at their desks, everyone deserves a holiday but this

is a time of huge upheaval. The times are set on expect patients

that we would vote to stay in the EU, I think we will see

announcements in the next few weeks. How do you see things unfolding? I

don't think Article 50 will be triggered soon, to Theresa May will

need to find her feet. That's it from us for this political

year but we will be back in September with our full range

of programmes - The View, Sunday Politics, Stormont Today

and Inside Politics. Until then, have a lovely summer

break and, from everyone