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There's another candidate in the race to become Ukip's next | :00:36. | :00:42. | |
leader: Suzanne Evans, the party's former deputy chairman, | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
This man might have something to say about that. | :00:45. | :00:51. | |
Paul Nuttal was Nigel Farage's deputy for many years. | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
So is he now ready to throw his hat in the ring? | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
The battle for Mosul: the Iraqi army and its allies advane | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
on the country's second city which has been in the hands of | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
And coming up here: from this key clash? | :01:06. | :01:14. | |
One party conference; two leaders' speeches. | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
We reflect on yesterday's Ulster Unionist gathering | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
which heard from Mike Nesbitt and the SDLP's Colum Eastwood. | :01:20. | :01:21. | |
one of the richest cities in the world. Should all private landlords | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
be licensed to help tackle the squalor? | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
And with me - as always - the best and the brightest political | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
panel in the business: Toby Young, Polly Toynbee and Tom Newton Dunn - | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
The last leader was in the job a mere 18 days before she decided | :01:36. | :01:44. | |
The favourite to succeed her then quit the party after a now infamous | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
Ukip's biggest donor says the party is at "breaking point". | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
This morning, the former Deputy Chairman, Suzanne Evans, | :01:56. | :02:02. | |
announced that she would be running for the leadership. | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
I've thought long and hard about this leadership bid, | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
and one of the reasons I've perhaps delayed announcing it is | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
because I wanted to be absolutely sure that I had the support | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
And I can confirm that I have more than enough signatures | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
on the nomination form already to be able to go forward. | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
Let's not forget that 3,000 people signed a petition in support of me | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
I know head office was besieged with letters in support. | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
I would not be doing this if I didn't have the backing | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
of our members, because our members are the most important | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
Well, Paul Nuttall was Nigel Farage's deputy for many years | :02:38. | :02:46. | |
and plenty of people saw him as a leader-in-waiting. | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
Let's ask the man himself - Paul Nuttall joins me now. | :02:50. | :02:57. | |
Yes. I've made the decision that I'm going to put my name forward to be | :02:58. | :03:04. | |
the next leader of Ukip. I have huge support across the country, not only | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
amongst people at the top of the party in Westminster and with the | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
MEPs, but also the grassroots. I want to be the unity candidate. Ukip | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
needs to come together. I'm not going to gild the lily. Ukip is | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
looking over a political cliff at the moment. It will either step four | :03:24. | :03:34. | |
step back, and I want to tell us to step backwards. You say it faces an | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
ex-distension or threat, which means it's possible it has no future at | :03:38. | :03:40. | |
all. Students of political history know that political parties take a | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
long time to get going. They can disappear pretty quickly. Ukip is | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
facing an existential crisis. What happened over the summer has put us | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
on a... We could be on a spiral that we can't get off. But I believe I am | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
the man to bring the factions together, to create unity within the | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
party, and to build on the structure and get us ready for the common | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
challenges. Why didn't you stand last time? Because I have spent the | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
last four or five years of my life travelling around the country. I | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
have done more Ukip meetings than anybody else, spending a lot of time | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
away from home. With Brexit, I felt that my job and Nigel's job was done | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
and we could hand over to the next generation. That doesn't seem to be | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
the case, and maybe it's time for someone who is an old hand. I'm very | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
experienced and I know the party inside out. Maybe it's time to step | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
in and bring the party together. You told the Liverpool Echo on the night | :04:42. | :04:48. | |
of July that you didn't wish to take on Nigel Farage, you didn't want | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
that to happen to your family and friends. What has changed? The party | :04:53. | :05:01. | |
is facing an existential crisis, and I want to make sure that Ukip is on | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
the pitch to keep the ball into the open net we have in politics. We | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
have a Conservative Party who is moving toward Brexit, but we have to | :05:13. | :05:19. | |
be there too. Why would you be better than Suzanne Evans? Suzanne | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
would be an excellent candidate. I thought the 2015 manifesto was the | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
best out of all the political parties. I would be the best | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
candidate because of my experience. I am not part of any faction within | :05:32. | :05:38. | |
the party. Is she? I get on well with everybody, and I believe I | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
could be the man to bring the party together. Do you get on with Iain | :05:42. | :05:48. | |
Banks, -- Aaron Banks, who is supporting one of your rivals? Yes, | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
I get on well with him. He is able to choose whoever he wants to be the | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
next leader of the party. After November 28, the leadership | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
election, we all say, the past the past. It becomes Daisy row for the | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
new leader. We forget all that has before and move on. You won the | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
referendum. Mrs May is adopting some of your policies, like grammar | :06:15. | :06:19. | |
schools. What is the point of Ukip these days? Twofold. We don't have | :06:20. | :06:25. | |
Brexit. Mrs May said she would not invoke Article 50 until the end of | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
March, and we don't know if that will happen. We need to ensure a | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
strong Ukip to make sure that Brexit really does mean Brexit. We have a | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
huge opportunity in working class communities where the Labour Party | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
no longer represents them. I believe Ukip can become the voice of working | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
people. If you were the leader, would Ukip be a bigger threat to | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
Labour in the north or the Tories in the South? You save Labour in the | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
north, and people often to make that mistake. There's working class | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
communities right across the country is. There are working-class | :07:02. | :07:04. | |
communities in Bristol just as in Newcastle. We are second in a | :07:05. | :07:18. | |
number of northern seats, and southern seats as well, and I | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
believe the party can move into these communities. It can only do so | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
if Ukip is on the pitch, and I intend to make sure that's the case. | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
I don't think we have portrayed a good image over the summer. Is that | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
called British understatement? A bit. It is dysfunctional. We have to | :07:34. | :07:41. | |
move on beyond Nigel Farage. We have to build a strong national Executive | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
Committee. We need to ensure our branches are ready for the fight and | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
concentrate on local elections. I've got the experience. I'm now throwing | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
my hat into the ring, and I'm the only person who can keep Ukip in the | :07:56. | :08:00. | |
game. What role would you give Nigel Farage, if any? I will be the | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
candidate of compromise. I would see what Nigel wanted to do. Would you | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
keep in the leader of the freedom and democracy group in the European | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
Parliament? There would have to be compromise on both sides, and we | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
would need to talk about it. I don't know what Nigel wants to do. Do you | :08:17. | :08:24. | |
think his support, his association with Donald Trump, helps Ukip win | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
female votes in this country? Personally, I would not have gone | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
out and campaigned or said anything about Donald Trump, but I don't | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
think Ukip has come out and backed Donald Trump 100%. Personally, I | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
wouldn't have even spoken about the American election, because I think | :08:45. | :08:46. | |
the two candidates are quite appalling. Some up for us. If you | :08:47. | :08:53. | |
win, what would be the hallmark of your Ukip leadership? The first | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
couple of months would be ensuring that Ukip unifies. Saying no to | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
factions, bringing people together. Suzanne Evans, Nigel Farage, all of | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
the MEPs, and ensuring that Ukip can move forward. If we don't unify, | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
Ukip will not be around for much longer. Thanks for being with us | :09:15. | :09:15. | |
this morning. We won't have to wait too long | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
to find out who Ukip's new leader will be - | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
the winner will be announced Who would be the best leader for | :09:22. | :09:30. | |
Ukip? I think the difference between the field a few weeks ago and today | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
is that this field is a lot stronger. Whether it's Paul or | :09:36. | :09:42. | |
Suzanne, I think... It is hard to say, with Aaron Banks and apparently | :09:43. | :09:51. | |
Nigel Farage hacking another candidate, Raheem, but I want Ukip | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
to be a strong force in British politics. I think the fact there is | :09:58. | :10:05. | |
a stronger field now is good news for Ukip. Is it a Labour's worst | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
nightmare in the north of England? It is. I think the personality | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
difference and presentational difference is interesting. Suzanne | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
Evans is going for the Conservative county vote. There's a lot to be | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
taken there by Ukip. He would probably be more appealing to the | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
Labour vote. It is interesting. At the moment, pollsters say that the | :10:34. | :10:40. | |
Ukip vote splits pretty easily between Labour and Tory. But things | :10:41. | :10:51. | |
always collapse. When they have made inroads into Tower Hamlets and | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
Barking, they collapse, because they fight amongst each other so much. | :10:56. | :11:03. | |
But not always with fists! Does Ukip have a future? And who would best | :11:04. | :11:12. | |
secure that future? It does for at least two years, until we Brexit. We | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
have to believe that that will happen. That was an impressive pitch | :11:16. | :11:22. | |
there from Paul, certainly as the unity candidate, after the car crash | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
we have seen on TV screens this morning. But it doesn't go beyond | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
May 20 19. What then? There is no point being called the United | :11:33. | :11:34. | |
Kingdom Independence party any longer. What will happen after May | :11:35. | :11:42. | |
2019? If you want to hoover up votes of the back of Brexit, you need to | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
start looking further ahead than two years. The person who wins that | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
leadership contest is the person who will sum that up the best. We shall | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
see. In June 2014, the group which calls | :11:55. | :11:56. | |
itself the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant captured Iraq's | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
second city, Mosul. Later that month the group announced | :12:00. | :12:01. | |
it was establishing a 'caliphate', or an Islamic state, | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
on the territories it This week 30,000 Iraqi troops, aided | :12:05. | :12:06. | |
by Iranian-backed Shia fighters, Kurdish Peshmerga and Western air | :12:07. | :12:15. | |
support, began the assault Then they spot a truck bomb | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
from so-called Islamic State. They destroy it before | :12:21. | :12:38. | |
it destroys them. These are the first steps | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
in the battle for Mosul, the Northern Iraqi city IS has | :12:44. | :12:45. | |
made its stronghold since 2014. Controlling the city of around | :12:46. | :12:51. | |
2 million people means that they established governance, | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
they establish a territorial base. This is what has obsessed everyone, | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
because with a territorial base you are capable of doing more | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
than if you are simply an insurgency movement in the fabric | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
of another society. It's being billed as the biggest | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
military operation in Iraq since the war in 2003, the biggest | :13:13. | :13:15. | |
moment in the international effort Here is how the various forces | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
are approaching the city. Heading to Mosul from the south, | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
the elite troops of the Iraqi army. Known as the Golden division, | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
trained and accompanied From the North, a force made up | :13:30. | :13:31. | |
of Kurds, known as the Peshmerga, Also from the South, | :13:32. | :13:38. | |
a militia made up of Shia fighters who have been accused | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
of human rights abuses. British planes have bombed outlying | :13:45. | :13:47. | |
villages, reportedly guided in by British personnel | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
on the ground. To the North West, a corridor | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
has been left for some of the 3000 plus IS fighters, | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
in theory an escape route which could limit the bloodshed | :14:01. | :14:02. | |
when fighting starts in the city. We've had 4-5 days of battle | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
and it's taking place in the outlying villages | :14:07. | :14:08. | |
and there have been some successes and some failures, | :14:09. | :14:10. | |
but the momentum is building. And the real question will be | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
when the attackers get towards the city itself, | :14:15. | :14:16. | |
how strong are the defences? It will crack but it might crack | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
within 48 hours or 2-3 weeks. IS has fought back, | :14:21. | :14:28. | |
on Friday they attack sites in the city of Kirkuk, | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
including a power station. The United Nations believes hundreds | :14:33. | :14:34. | |
of thousands of families have been rounded up | :14:35. | :14:37. | |
as potential human shields. The battle could be bloody, | :14:38. | :14:39. | |
but what about when it's over? The Shia militias, the Iraqi army, | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
the Peshmerga guerrillas, some of the Turkish elements, | :14:45. | :14:46. | |
they all want a share of the action. They are in Mosul, not | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
for altruistic reasons. They are there because they want | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
to be part of whatever happens next. The biggest issue is how the Sunni | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
majority in Mosul reacts to the Shia militias which have | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
helped to liberate them. ARCHIVE FOOTAGE: When Sir Francis | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
Humphrey went to Mosul If it all seems like something | :15:06. | :15:07. | |
from the archive, when the Middle East went up in flames | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
and was then carved up, it is because that is what is | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
happening in Iraq right now. National identity has been cut | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
across by other identities such And that means that putting together | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
a so-called nation state again Almost certainly there will be | :15:23. | :15:33. | |
a new form of Kurdish state, almost certainly in northern Iraq | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
at the end of this crisis, and what is happening in Mosul | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
is a microcosm of what is happening elsewhere across the Levant | :15:43. | :15:45. | |
which is that it is melting down. Big questions, questions that | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
come after the battle. The coalition forces are advancing | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
but this is just the beginning. I'm joined now by the International | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
Development Minister Rory Stewart. In a former life he was | :15:55. | :16:03. | |
the coalition Deputy-Governor of two provinces in Southern Iraq following | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
the Iraq intervention of 2003. Is there any doubt that at some | :16:07. | :16:21. | |
stage Mosul will fall to the forces of Iraq and its allies? The first | :16:22. | :16:31. | |
thing is that war is very uncertain and there are cliches about it being | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
the graveyard of predictions and we don't want to make confident | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
predictions but the basic structure is that there are 30,000 Iraqi | :16:39. | :16:46. | |
forces outside and only a few thousand Daesh fighters inside and I | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
would say it is overwhelmingly likely that the batter will one | :16:53. | :17:01. | |
STUDIO: -- the battle the won by the Iraqi forces. | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
June 2014 was a great success, they took a city of over in people and | :17:06. | :17:13. | |
they created what they tried to create a million state of 7 million | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
people, stretching across the Iraqi Syrian border, but since then they | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
have lost territory quite rapidly. Now they are losing the outskirts of | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
Mosul, and that is a fundamental blow. Islamic State is all about | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
territory and holding state, that is what makes it different from | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
Al-Qaeda. If they lose Mosul that will be a cynic -- significant blow | :17:34. | :17:41. | |
to their credibility. Hillary Clinton said on Wednesday's | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
presidential debate that when Iraqi forces with their allies including | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
the United Kingdom gain control of Mosul they should continue to press | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
into Syria to take back Raqqa which is the de facto capital of the | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
caliphate, what is left of it, do we want Iraqi forces to pursue IS into | :18:00. | :18:06. | |
Syria? Very important question. Delayed in Raqqa needs to come from | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
people on the Syrian side of the border and that is an important | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
principle -- the lead. In the end of that enemy, Islamic State, is a | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
common enemy for odd members of the coalition including the Iraqi | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
government. -- all members. There is likely to be a humanitarian crisis | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
especially if it ends up with street to street fighting and IS are | :18:33. | :18:35. | |
difficult to dislodge what are we doing about that? We are doing very | :18:36. | :18:41. | |
detailed scenario planning. It is very uncertain what the scenario | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
will be but much investment has gone into creating a network of camps, | :18:46. | :18:54. | |
refugees STUDIO: Refugee camps around cash refugee camps, and that | :18:55. | :19:02. | |
is where money, British money, ?40 million has gone recently into | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
supporting that, especially in terms of medical support to people. The | :19:06. | :19:13. | |
United nation's emergency response budget is ?196 million but only one | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
third funded which sounds like we are putting up a big chunk of what | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
is already being funded. Why is that? The international committee | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
can't say they haven't seen this assault coming, and the humanitarian | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
fallout they may see from it. You are absolutely right. We have seen | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
it coming and we have been planning since debris and we have put in | :19:35. | :19:38. | |
about ?167 million into this -- planning since February. There has | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
been a change in the nature of the appeal, and if there is a lag in the | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
accounting of it, but the money we need at this stage is in place and | :19:48. | :19:50. | |
we do have the support structure in place for those refugees. You are | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
right the United Nations is continuing with its appeal and is | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
asking for more money at the moment. The converse magazine wrote this | :20:00. | :20:02. | |
week that preparations for a big exodus of people leaving the city | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
have been made -- Economist magazine. But confidence is not high | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
in the preparations, is that a unfair conclusion? If you can | :20:13. | :20:17. | |
imagine the different scenarios, it could be a few thousand and it could | :20:18. | :20:20. | |
be a few hundred thousand coming out of the city through a front line | :20:21. | :20:23. | |
where the war is going on, that is very difficult. You have to screen | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
those people and disarm them, and keep families together, and | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
transport them and you have to bring them into the refugee camps. The | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
people working on this have been working on this for long time, we | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
have mapped the different routes we have good camp infrastructure in | :20:40. | :20:46. | |
place and we have people who have worked in south to dam and other | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
areas who are putting their structures in place -- South Sudan. | :20:51. | :20:54. | |
It is never easy but I think we have done everything we can in the | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
preparation for this. What is the British role in what will probably | :20:58. | :21:04. | |
be an even bigger issue, assuming that Mosul is liberated and retaken, | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
the humanitarian crisis is dealt with, what role will we play in the | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
rebuilding of Mosul? That will be crucial to the future of Iraq, the | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
second-biggest city and it will need to be rebuilt. It will need to be | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
rebuilt as a community as well as bricks and mortar. And eight Sunni | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
community that is not harassed by the Shia. -- and eight. You are | :21:31. | :21:38. | |
right. One of the core drivers is that the Sunni community felt | :21:39. | :21:40. | |
excluded and they did not feel they have the trust from the Baghdad | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
government. A lasting solution is stopping some of Islamic State | :21:46. | :21:52. | |
coming back, that involves making sure the Sunni community have a | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
stake in their future. That is making sure that the governing | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
structures are in place. The UK's response is twofold, we have got to | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
get the humanitarian aid right, that is the short term, people who might | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
be malnourished, coming out of the front line. The second thing is | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
working with the Iraqi government to make sure that as we rebuild Mosul | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
we do so in a way that that population feels a connection to the | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
Iraqi state. Islamic State is losing territory everywhere in the Levant, | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
it is almost finished in Iraq, we think. It is down to one district in | :22:30. | :22:35. | |
Libya, as well, just one small part of the town. I suppose the risk is, | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
if life is becoming more difficult across these areas, it can start to | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
look more in Europe and the United Kingdom as a place to continue its | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
terrorist attacks? That is a real danger. You are right. This is a | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
group which has proved over the last five years very unpredictable and it | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
changes for it quickly full stop often it does unexpected things. In | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
2009 its predecessor had been largely wiped out in Iraq and when | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
it was under pressure in Syria it went back into Iraq, and in the past | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
it didn't hold territory but now it holds territory, so you are right. | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
There is a serious risk that as it gets squeezed in the middle East it | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
will try to pop up somewhere else and Mac could include Europe and the | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
United States -- that could. They say that is something they have | :23:29. | :23:31. | |
focused on full stop we also have a big focus on counterterrorism | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
security and making sure that we keep the United Kingdom and Europe | :23:37. | :23:44. | |
say. One final question. -- say. -- safe. Maybe events in Mosul could | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
add to the migration crisis in Europe, is that a possibility? | :23:51. | :23:56. | |
Again, you are right, we have seen in Syria it can push migration, the | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
biggest push the migration was the conflict in Syria, and that's the | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
reason why we have but so much energy into getting those refugee | :24:05. | :24:09. | |
camps in place and getting the humanitarian response in place -- | :24:10. | :24:13. | |
put so much energy. People will want to remain in their homes, this is | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
their country, but we have got to make it possible for them and that | :24:17. | :24:19. | |
means in the short term looking after their shelter and in the | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
medium to long-term making sure they have livelihoods, jobs and an | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
economic development which is why our support in Iraq is in the UK | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
National interests because it deals with these issues of migration and | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
terrorists. Thanks for joining us. I'm joined now by the Shadow Defence | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
Secretary. Does Labour support British | :24:43. | :24:59. | |
participation in this offensive? We fully support the participation in | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
this offensive, extremely important move forward and we voted for this | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
back in 2014. We are asking the government question is, of course, I | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
was asking the Secretary of State this week about this very offensive | :25:13. | :25:19. | |
but we are fully behind our RAF pilots out there and be trading that | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
has been going on to help the forces on the ground. -- the training full | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
stop that is very clear. I wonder if you'll lead it shares that clarity | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
and that position. -- is your leader. This is what Jeremy Corbyn | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
has said. What's been done in Iraq | :25:37. | :25:38. | |
is done by the Iraqi government, and currently | :25:39. | :25:40. | |
supported by the British government. I did not support it | :25:41. | :25:42. | |
when it came up. Well, I'm not sure how successful | :25:43. | :25:44. | |
it's been, because most of the action now appears to be | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
moving in to Syria, so I think we He doesn't sound very supportive. | :25:49. | :26:00. | |
The issue about Mosul, it has been very carefully prepared as Rory | :26:01. | :26:02. | |
Stewart said and I hope we have learned the lessons from previous | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
offensives where we haven't learnt sufficiently, and that is going to | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
be crucial in this context. How the aftermath is going to be dealt with. | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
Of course will stop that clip was from November last year, and things | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
have changed. Two weeks ago he told the BBC" I'm not sure it is | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
working", in reference to air strikes in Iraq, but it is working. | :26:29. | :26:33. | |
We have got to see what happens in Mosul, it is a very high-risk | :26:34. | :26:36. | |
operation, but we also have to face the fact that the people there are | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
living under tyranny at the moment. We have to ask very cirrus question | :26:41. | :26:47. | |
shall stop he says he's not sure it is working, when Mosul is the last | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
major target be cleared of Islamic State in Iraq. The combination of | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
Allied air power has worked, why is he not sure it is working? Because | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
we have seen difficulties in the past. But this was two weeks ago. It | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
is essential that the work is done, both planning for the refugees as | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
Rory Stewart referred to, but also in terms of reconstruction of the | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
city and its community as you mentioned. These are vital. This was | :27:13. | :27:19. | |
about the ability to make progress with Allied air power, special | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
forces in Iraq, on the ground, do you accept so far that has a | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
strategy that seems to be working to read Iraq of Islamic -- to read Iraq | :27:29. | :27:40. | |
of Islamic State the question of the car began placement. Ulloa -- we | :27:41. | :27:53. | |
can't be complacent. The problems they are creating where ever they | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
are urged that we must continue to pursue them. This is the first time | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
we have spoken to since you have become the Shadow Defence Secretary. | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
I hope we will have a longer interview. Will Labour's next | :28:05. | :28:10. | |
manifesto include a commitment to the renewal of Trident? It will. We | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
made that commitment in 2007, that is a firm commitment and we will | :28:17. | :28:20. | |
honour that to our coalition allies and our industrial partners and that | :28:21. | :28:22. | |
is the vote which was taken democratically and repeatedly has | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
been reaffirmed by Labour conference and we are a democratic party vote | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
up you have squared that with Jeremy Corbyn? He's in favour of democracy | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
and he understands the situation, but we also want to push for the UK | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
to play a much bigger role on the international stage on multilateral | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
disarmament talks. You were very clear there, I thank you for that. | :28:48. | :28:52. | |
Support for Trident will be in the next Labour manifesto. What has | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
happened to Labour's review of Trident policy? That review has been | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
taking place over the year, we had a very clear reaffirmation in the | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
conference boat this year, we are reaffirming our commitment to | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
Trident -- vote. The review can't change that? There is a process of | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
review and a fair number of issues related to defence, all parties do | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
this. Of course. The review can't change the commitment to Trident? We | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
are not changing the commitment to Trident. Russia is now the main | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
strategic threat to this country? It is a major strategic threat and we | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
have got to work with our Nato allies very closely and make sure | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
that we respond and that we do not let things pass. For example, we | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
should be calling out Russia for the way it has been a bombing | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
humanitarian aid and we should be taking them to international court | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
over this, but we should also be strengthening sanctions, somewhat | :29:52. | :29:58. | |
imposed over Ukraine. We try to do that, but the Italians wouldn't let | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
us. The Italians did not want to participate in the European | :30:04. | :30:05. | |
initiative but that doesn't stop individual countries for the Britain | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
should step up? Yes, we should look at what is practical to impose. | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
Thanks for joining us. Mosul is not the only major battle | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
being waged in the Middle East. The city of Aleppo in northern Syria | :30:21. | :30:23. | |
has seen some of the heaviest bombardment since Syria's | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
five-year-long civil war began. This week Russian warships, | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
in a deliberate show of power, sailed west through the English | :30:30. | :30:32. | |
channel en route to Syria. Nato says it's Russia's "largest | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
surface deployment" since the end of the Cold War in what is thought | :30:37. | :30:39. | |
to be preparation for a final assault | :30:40. | :30:42. | |
on the besieged city of Aleppo. In the city itself fighting | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
resumed overnight - following a 3-day ceasefire - | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
with more air strikes and heavy clashes in the city's | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
rebel-held eastern districts. Almost 500 people have been | :30:56. | :30:58. | |
killed and 2,000 injured since Syrian government forces, | :30:59. | :31:01. | |
backed by Russian air strikes, This week Theresa May condemned | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
Vladimir Putin's involvement in Syria, accusing Moscow | :31:06. | :31:13. | |
of being behind "sickening atrocities" in support | :31:14. | :31:15. | |
of President Assad's regime. But European leaders are divided | :31:16. | :31:19. | |
on how to respond and, with the United States preoccupied | :31:20. | :31:23. | |
with domestic politics, President Putin senses this | :31:24. | :31:25. | |
is his moment to bring the Syrian I'm joined now by the BBC's former | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
Diplomatic and Moscow Correspondent, Bridget Kendall, who is now Master | :31:30. | :31:37. | |
of Peterhouse College in Cambridge. Welcome. Good to see you in the BBC | :31:38. | :31:51. | |
studio again. Let me put up this satellite image of Aleppo here, to | :31:52. | :31:57. | |
get an idea of the scale. It was the biggest city in Syria. It was the | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
commercial capital and a huge cultural hub as well. Almost the New | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
York of Syria, to give you an idea of its significance to the country. | :32:08. | :32:13. | |
Let me show you now how it's been divided. The rebels are now in | :32:14. | :32:17. | |
control of the eastern part, about eight miles long and three miles | :32:18. | :32:24. | |
wide there, they're in purple. They are under great attacks still. Is it | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
inevitable that that purple part falls to the regime? That is what | :32:29. | :32:37. | |
President as Saad, the Russians and the Iranians hope. The fierce | :32:38. | :32:43. | |
bombardments we have seen is part of that. I'm reminded very much in the | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
Russian tactics of what happened in grudgingly in Chechnya in 2000, when | :32:48. | :32:53. | |
the Russians said, a warning for all civilians to lead, and then they | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
went ahead and they basically raised it to the ground. They are talking | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
about Al Nusrah as being one of the rebel groups. They got rid of all of | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
the terrorists. They talk about it being an Al-Qaeda offshoot. The | :33:10. | :33:10. | |
purpose of going being an Al-Qaeda offshoot. The | :33:11. | :33:13. | |
purpose of going in is to get rid of them. You get the civilians out and | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
then you take it. But this isn't like Chechnya. It is much more | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
complex. We have seen an attempt to take Aleppo before, and then there | :33:24. | :33:28. | |
was a rebel counter offensive. It's not so certain. And there are so | :33:29. | :33:32. | |
many different parties involved. We have seen the alarm in the west of | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
the extent of the civilian casualties. There have been | :33:37. | :33:46. | |
rumblings in the west of, shouldn't the United States do something? | :33:47. | :33:48. | |
Shouldn't they stop the Syrian air force? This Russian aircraft carrier | :33:49. | :33:52. | |
steaming its way towards the Eastern Mediterranean is a symbolic gesture, | :33:53. | :33:57. | |
both to its own people, but also to the West, to say, don't get involved | :33:58. | :34:04. | |
in Aleppo if we go ahead. Don't try and stop us because we could up the | :34:05. | :34:10. | |
ante. They have not been great visual pictures, because the | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
aircraft carrier looks a bit clapped out, belching out smoke! If the | :34:15. | :34:21. | |
rebel controlled area does fall, it would be seen as a great victory for | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
President as Saad and his Russian allies. What is the aim of Russia | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
here? What would they then do, if Aleppo Falls? It is part of a plan | :34:31. | :34:35. | |
that President Putin set out in his UN speech in 2014, before Russia | :34:36. | :34:41. | |
went into Syria. The aim is to put President Assad back in charge. | :34:42. | :34:45. | |
President Putin said this weekend that either is Assad in Damascus, or | :34:46. | :34:50. | |
its Al Nusrah. There is nothing in between. They want to eliminate the | :34:51. | :34:55. | |
argument for a moderate opposition. They want to make it plain that the | :34:56. | :35:00. | |
only way to get a stable Syria is to have Assad back in charge. Even sue | :35:01. | :35:08. | |
argue for a rump steak lit, leaving aside what is happening with IAS. | :35:09. | :35:17. | |
They have already said they want to have an enlarged military presence | :35:18. | :35:21. | |
at their bases. And they have a big naval base. It is. It is a chance to | :35:22. | :35:29. | |
push for this when he sees the West is being distracted and divided. | :35:30. | :35:35. | |
Europe and America, by elections and so on. Just before the US elections. | :35:36. | :35:40. | |
The Americans are worried about that, Europeans are being distracted | :35:41. | :35:45. | |
by Brexit. He can push to his maximum advantage now, before there | :35:46. | :35:50. | |
is a new US president. If they do take that part of Aleppo, and that | :35:51. | :36:00. | |
part of northern Syria, does Mr Putin want us to recognise, to | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
admit, that that is now his sphere of influence? I think the rhetoric | :36:06. | :36:11. | |
from the Russians is that they want the West to recognise that they are | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
an equal powerful partner. It's not just the US that runs the writ in | :36:17. | :36:20. | |
the Middle East. Russia is as important as it is. It is engaging | :36:21. | :36:26. | |
with Saudi Arabia and has mended fences with Turkey. Syria is the | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
place from which it can launch its message that it is a big player in | :36:32. | :36:36. | |
the Middle East. Russia wants the West to understand that this isn't a | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
country that was dismembered after the end of the Soviet Union and is | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
now a week. It is back, and it is strong. That is an important | :36:47. | :36:52. | |
message. Looking at the economy. It is in recession. GDP has been | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
falling, partly because of the price of oil. It is highly dependent on | :36:57. | :37:02. | |
hydrocarbons, and is expected to fall again. Its people are falling | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
again. People don't realise how small the Russian economy is. Its | :37:08. | :37:13. | |
GDP is about the size of Italy's. It is smaller than the UK economy. | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
Bigger than it was 15 or 20 years ago. But so is Britain's does it | :37:19. | :37:28. | |
help to take people's mind of this? A huge shock to the Russian economy | :37:29. | :37:33. | |
was a drop in the price of oil and a price of gas. A drop in the price of | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
the ruble as well. This is hurting the people of Russia. On the one | :37:38. | :37:44. | |
hand, it is the war in Syria, which is very important for Russia to sort | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
out that part of the world and dispensed terrorists who might be | :37:50. | :37:57. | |
danger to -- is dangerous to Russia. But he had also has presidential | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
election is going up. They are supposed to be 2018, but some feel | :38:03. | :38:06. | |
he will bring them forward to 2017, because the economy is not doing so | :38:07. | :38:11. | |
well. But you need a good story for the Russian people. Thank you very | :38:12. | :38:13. | |
much. We say goodbye to viewers | :38:14. | :38:15. | |
in Scotland who leave us now Hello, and welcome to | :38:16. | :38:23. | |
Sunday Politics in Northern Ireland. This time last year Mike Nesbitt | :38:24. | :38:32. | |
saw his party conference pumped up off the back of winning two seats | :38:33. | :38:35. | |
at the general election. We hear from Mr Nesbitt about the | :38:36. | :38:48. | |
challenges and opportunities that lie ahead for the party. | :38:49. | :38:50. | |
Our commentators, Professor Rick Wilford and Patricia MacBride, | :38:51. | :38:52. | |
The Ulster Unionist and SDLP leaders say they won't be pushed around | :38:53. | :39:03. | |
by the Executive parties as they seek to open up a new middle | :39:04. | :39:06. | |
That was the message Mike Nesbitt and Colum Eastwood delivered | :39:07. | :39:09. | |
at the Ulster Unionist Party conference yesterday. | :39:10. | :39:11. | |
They also pledged to work constructively | :39:12. | :39:13. | |
Colum Eastwood, the first SDLP leader to address the conference | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
received a standing ovation after his speech. | :39:19. | :39:20. | |
Our Political Correspondent, Enda McClafferty, was there. | :39:21. | :39:27. | |
His report contains some flash photography. Four weeks their | :39:28. | :39:34. | |
parties have been flirting behind the scenes, now, at last, they step | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
out together in public. A political partnership between two men who want | :39:41. | :39:43. | |
was agreed, but have committed to work together in picking and | :39:44. | :39:50. | |
choosing their battles. There's been plenty of interest as | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
to whether the SDLP and Unionist party will work together in | :39:55. | :39:59. | |
opposition. The answer is simple. Of course we will -- the Ulster | :40:00. | :40:04. | |
Unionist party. Our nationalism under your unionism will not | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
seamlessly fit any time soon, however, this difference does not | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
diminish our ability to pursue the commonality of an immediate cause, | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
both the SDLP and the Ulster Unionists share the common ground of | :40:19. | :40:20. | |
wanting to make Northern Ireland work. | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
And it helps when you have a common enemy. | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
The DUP and Sinn Fein have no such ambition or aspiration for our | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
people this place. They never have. They believe the symbolism of the | :40:36. | :40:38. | |
coalition suffices, and nothing more. They are all gas and no | :40:39. | :40:47. | |
government. Even with 55 press officers, and a new press secretary | :40:48. | :40:49. | |
they struggled to fabricate the illusion of progress. | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
Now they've made a commitment publicly next question is will they | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
sell themselves as an alternative government? The Government in | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
waiting? All will be bullish begin and end on benches? | :41:03. | :41:09. | |
We need to convince the electorate we are a viable alternative. That | :41:10. | :41:15. | |
means working in partnership with the SDLP. I welcome the appearance | :41:16. | :41:25. | |
of their leader. Vote me you get Colum Eastwood. Vote Colum Eastwood | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
you get me. Vote both of us and we make Northern Ireland work whatever | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
our motivations. They have a new slogan, but it may take time before | :41:34. | :41:39. | |
both parties are fully programmed for opposition, when that happens, | :41:40. | :41:42. | |
will it mean the end of pacts with the DUP? | :41:43. | :41:47. | |
We are on a very fluid political situation nationally and | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
internationally. I've been in politics long enough to understand | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
that you don't rule anything out. You certainly don't rule anything | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
in. Pact or no part Mike Nesbitt addressed the poor performance in | :42:03. | :42:05. | |
the Assembly election, but he had this to say. | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
To anybody looking to press the panic button, for the very few who | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
have jumped ship and the occasional whisper and malcontent. I say this. | :42:16. | :42:22. | |
Are you so weak you want to unravel for use of work? Just because we | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
didn't get all we wanted first time around? | :42:28. | :42:31. | |
It seemed his message did get through. | :42:32. | :42:35. | |
We took a big step forward with Colum Eastwood coming. I enjoyed his | :42:36. | :42:41. | |
speech. Mike spoke well. We look forward to the next elections and | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
use in opposition. We can successfully scrutinise the | :42:47. | :42:50. | |
executive. I enjoyed what Colum Eastwood had to say. I'm pleased to | :42:51. | :42:53. | |
say we're working together in opposition. | :42:54. | :42:56. | |
Like any blossoming relationship they will be awkward moments, he | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
blushes were spread rumours came to the anthem. The opposition had | :43:01. | :43:03. | |
already left the hall. The opposition had already | :43:04. | :43:04. | |
left the hall. Enda McClafferty reporting there, | :43:05. | :43:06. | |
and just after he came off stage, I spoke to Mike Nesbitt, | :43:07. | :43:08. | |
and I began by asking him if accepts he's now well and truly | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
hitched his party's wagon to that I think I do. The DUP and Sinn Fein | :43:13. | :43:26. | |
have very clearly hitched their wagons to each other, Arlene Foster | :43:27. | :43:29. | |
and Martin McGuinness are clearly joined at the hip. Look at how | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
difficult it is to get a DUP or Sinn Fein spokesman into the same studio | :43:35. | :43:38. | |
or radio studio. They are cooperating. In a way we've never | :43:39. | :43:44. | |
seen before. More importantly, I consider myself to be a centre | :43:45. | :43:49. | |
ground politician, I think Colum Eastwood is as well, so it's not as | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
if we are being forced into this position by the DUP and Sinn Fein. | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
This is a position I would have wanted to adopt. We are the two | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
parties who did most to bring on the Belfast agreement, without which we | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
wouldn't have institutions up the hill at Stormont. We are the parties | :44:08. | :44:12. | |
who can offer hope in terms of delivery, we've done everything we | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
need to do in terms of creating inclusive political institutions. We | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
are near the start of the journey in terms of delivering institutions | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
that deliver for the people on the economy, education, health and | :44:26. | :44:28. | |
housing. You actually said during your speech | :44:29. | :44:32. | |
today, vote me you get Colum Eastwood vote Colum Eastwood you get | :44:33. | :44:36. | |
me. Do you think everyone will be entirely happy about that? | :44:37. | :44:43. | |
I think everybody will be entirely happy that that is the logic in the | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
same way the DUP have pretty mercilessly run around the Unionist | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
community in the last couple of assembly elections saying, if you | :44:52. | :44:56. | |
vote for the Ulster Unionist you are effectively voting for Martin | :44:57. | :45:00. | |
McGuinness as First Minister. They did spin is a little bit to say keep | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
Arlene as First Minister last May. It's the same fundamental message | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
which, ultimately, is a message we are still a sectarian society. My | :45:11. | :45:15. | |
vision is of us moving to a post-sectarian society where people | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
vote, not because of where they deliver whether they are orange or | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
green, but because of what you are done or are promising to do. | :45:25. | :45:32. | |
We talked about establishing a shadow executive, is that happening? | :45:33. | :45:35. | |
Is that something yesterday appears keen on? | :45:36. | :45:43. | |
That was a speculative use of phrasing. Deliberately so, Mark, we | :45:44. | :45:49. | |
are still at very early stages of this. The DUP and Sinn Fein agreed | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
to go into government together back in very early 2007. They've had | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
nearly ten years, nobody argues that they've got their act together, even | :46:01. | :46:04. | |
after a decade. We've only had a few short months, and weeks, and I | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
think, behind-the-scenes, we're doing OK. Not denying the fact that | :46:10. | :46:16. | |
Brexit is an issue for as just as it is for Sinn Fein and the DUP. Today | :46:17. | :46:23. | |
was about showing something, because the behind-the-scenes stuff, by | :46:24. | :46:27. | |
definition, is not visible. It was important that the population saw | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
something tangible, which they got today. I'm saying that in my view, a | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
measure of success, much nearer 2021 when we next looking for a vote | :46:39. | :46:43. | |
could be defined in terms of how many joint policies do we have? Do | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
we have spokespeople working well together? Do we have spokespeople | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
who have made up a shadow executive? It may not happen, it may not be | :46:54. | :46:58. | |
something the SDLP year by into over the next four or five years. It's | :46:59. | :47:06. | |
something I think has a logic to it that might appeal to voters. | :47:07. | :47:11. | |
It's interesting that you say it speculative. The way you brought it | :47:12. | :47:16. | |
up was speculative. If a shadow executive is speculative then surely | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
an alternative government is even more speculative? Yet you are | :47:21. | :47:23. | |
seriously putting that forward as something that voters need to be | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
thinking about for 2021? It's a misleading concept, isn't as? No | :47:29. | :47:34. | |
prospect of the Ulster Unionists or SDLP being the government in 2021. | :47:35. | :47:39. | |
There is every possibility the DUP and Sinn Fein will be the bigger | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
parties, and if they aren't, they will be in a position to choose to | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
be the executive anyway. I see your point. It is a valid | :47:48. | :47:53. | |
point. All I can say is this, if after 21, we at the SDLP are the big | :47:54. | :47:59. | |
parties of government in the executive office, in Stormont | :48:00. | :48:02. | |
Castle, we will not treat these smaller parties the way the DUP and | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
Sinn Fein have cheated the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist party over the | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
last nine and a half years. -- treated the SDLP. | :48:13. | :48:21. | |
He said he is frankly disappointed, not terribly happy at the position | :48:22. | :48:24. | |
the Ulster Unionists have adopted after the referendum. You said you | :48:25. | :48:28. | |
were in support of remaining but have accepted the road to leave. You | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
think Brexit means Brexit. Surely that subject, which is all embracing | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
at the moment, could seriously undermine your working relationship | :48:39. | :48:41. | |
with the SDLP in the months and years ahead? If that was the case | :48:42. | :48:48. | |
Colum Eastwood would not have felt it possible for him to come to | :48:49. | :48:54. | |
conference, never mind stand on the platform, confidently articulating | :48:55. | :48:58. | |
his position in the full knowledge it contrasts in a significant way | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
with the position we, and the Ulster Unionist party are taking. It showed | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
great strength and maturity that he is able to do that and we are unable | :49:09. | :49:14. | |
to listen to him. In my speech I accepted the shark and the anger | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
felt by many nationalists on the 24th of June when they woke up to | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
news that the referendum result was to Brexit. I understand that people | :49:25. | :49:32. | |
who were reasonably comfortable, as nationalists, living in Northern | :49:33. | :49:35. | |
Ireland as part of the United Kingdom but the fact that there will | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
had to give precedence to the will of the British people and was | :49:41. | :49:45. | |
contrary to the spirit of the Belfast agreement was not something | :49:46. | :49:48. | |
they had ever envisaged happening. It is something that we must be | :49:49. | :49:53. | |
mindful of, and respectful of, even though we do not accept the position | :49:54. | :49:59. | |
of the SDLP and are arguing that the days of remainders are over. We need | :50:00. | :50:05. | |
to move on to identifying opportunities in the new era for all | :50:06. | :50:08. | |
of the people of Northern Ireland, Unionist, nationalist and other. | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
Some people might think you did a strange thing today. You mentioned | :50:14. | :50:18. | |
people who might be thinking about pressing the panic button. The | :50:19. | :50:22. | |
occasional whisper and malcontent does you put it. Why did you raise | :50:23. | :50:28. | |
the spectre of those individuals? There has been wild speculation | :50:29. | :50:31. | |
coming from the DUP that we are in some sort of meltdown, that there is | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
a long list of high-profile defectors. That is simply not the | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
case. A couple of people have jumped ship. A couple of people are | :50:42. | :50:47. | |
nervous. That is understandable. But I also said, for example, that the | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
Queen's freshers fair we picked up 72 new signatories. The young | :50:53. | :50:59. | |
Unionists are the youngest Unionist party at Queen's University. I | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
signed letters of work on a weekly basis for new members of the party. | :51:04. | :51:08. | |
Our numbers are still at around 2000, and growing. In fact, we are | :51:09. | :51:13. | |
doing research which will be available until next calendar year, | :51:14. | :51:18. | |
which I think will be very good for the state of the Ulster Unionist | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
party. I'm confident we are growing. Indeed, surprisingly about some of | :51:24. | :51:30. | |
the policies people want to protect. That was Mike Nesbitt yesterday. | :51:31. | :51:32. | |
Patricia MacBride and Rick Wilford are with me. | :51:33. | :51:37. | |
We watched those proceedings together yesterday. First of all, | :51:38. | :51:45. | |
Colum Eastwood, it's easy to overplay the significance of him | :51:46. | :51:49. | |
being there in the wall but it is significant. | :51:50. | :51:53. | |
It is. I think both eastward and Nesbitt made it clear that they will | :51:54. | :51:59. | |
creating a corporation as opposition parties. Even though there is not | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
that divides them, not least of all Brexit. They were getting into bed | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
together, but twin beds rather than a double bed. I suspect that what | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
they need to do is not simply go for shifting tactical coalitions in the | :52:14. | :52:17. | |
Assembly, they need, if they are serious about this, they need to | :52:18. | :52:20. | |
develop a well worked out strategic alternative to the policies and | :52:21. | :52:24. | |
programme for government which is going to appeal, we'll see some | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
flesh on those bones. It's not enough to sit back and wait for | :52:30. | :52:33. | |
things to go wrong between Sinn Fein and the DUP. If they are serious | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
they need to articulate a very clear set of policy options that are | :52:38. | :52:40. | |
different from those of the DUP and Sinn Fein. | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
Patricia, did the public love in yesterday between the Ulster | :52:46. | :52:47. | |
Unionist and Colum Eastwood ring true? | :52:48. | :52:52. | |
It's difficult to look at where the dues of the whole matter lies? If | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
you look at the history of the Ulster Unionist party over the last | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
couple of years they were partners in the graduated response, they were | :53:02. | :53:05. | |
in an electoral pact with the DUP. Now they are in an opposition with | :53:06. | :53:10. | |
the SDLP. They are reminiscent of the drunken sailor stumbling and | :53:11. | :53:14. | |
trying every door, never quite finding home. You have the situation | :53:15. | :53:19. | |
with the SDLP are looking at a way of creating a new dynamism within | :53:20. | :53:26. | |
the party. Part of that is a strong, trying to create a strong coalition | :53:27. | :53:30. | |
in opposition to Sinn Fein and the DUP alongside the Ulster Unionists. | :53:31. | :53:35. | |
It's not sitting comfortably for either of the parties at this point. | :53:36. | :53:40. | |
Precisely because of what has just been said. There is no measure of | :53:41. | :53:46. | |
what opposition is. There is no set of policy, no clear alternative to | :53:47. | :53:50. | |
the programme for government which would measure opposition. Until that | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
is down there is no effectiveness. I agree. It's not a case of making a | :53:55. | :54:01. | |
virtue out of a necessity. If they are committing to this they need to | :54:02. | :54:05. | |
get really serious about it. They had nowhere else to go. They were | :54:06. | :54:10. | |
both elected to go into opposition. They need to make that meaningful. | :54:11. | :54:15. | |
They need to produce very clear, articulated and fully costed | :54:16. | :54:19. | |
alternatives and ideas. With a identify what they both believe to | :54:20. | :54:23. | |
be the common ground. There was a lot of convergence between the | :54:24. | :54:29. | |
parties back in May, all of them, actually. I think there is | :54:30. | :54:33. | |
sufficient scope for both the DUP and the SDLP to identify how they | :54:34. | :54:41. | |
can push on in terms of housing, education, certainly the skills | :54:42. | :54:45. | |
agenda with a very closely converged. I think there is prospect | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
there, but they need to get a move on. | :54:50. | :54:52. | |
What did you make of Mike Nesbitt raising the issue of those | :54:53. | :54:56. | |
malcontents who might be thinking of pressing the panic button, was that | :54:57. | :54:59. | |
an odd thing to bring up? I thought it was a strange thing to | :55:00. | :55:03. | |
directly address that rumbling within his own party at such an open | :55:04. | :55:09. | |
and public forum. But we know it's there. You know it's there from the | :55:10. | :55:14. | |
fact that, you know, even in the comments of Danny Kennedy there | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
which was very much lets wait and see. Its underlying as well in | :55:19. | :55:23. | |
comments about, this might be one way we could do things. They might | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
be another. There needs to be building of consensus within the | :55:28. | :55:32. | |
Unionist party. We hear from both of you again | :55:33. | :55:33. | |
shortly. Let's just pause for a moment | :55:34. | :55:34. | |
for a look back at the week gone past in Sixty Seconds, | :55:35. | :55:37. | |
with Stephen Walker. Brexit continued to dominate the | :55:38. | :55:50. | |
political landscape, it's even affecting traffic in Belfast. This | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
is the implication of Brexit. Brexit would be bad news for the people of | :55:56. | :56:00. | |
Ireland, this is the implication of that decision. | :56:01. | :56:01. | |
Correspondence from the Prime Minister court controversy. She | :56:02. | :56:06. | |
confirmed that we got the letter, we were going to publish the letter in | :56:07. | :56:10. | |
any event. The deputy first means is that | :56:11. | :56:12. | |
confident about the Brexit negotiations. The decision to hold | :56:13. | :56:21. | |
the referendum was basically because of infighting within the Tory party. | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
Neither is the SDLP leader. We should be kicking the door of the | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
British Prime Minister to ensure that the interests of the people of | :56:31. | :56:34. | |
Northern Ireland are protected. And the former MP reminded the | :56:35. | :56:38. | |
current one of his behaviour. When I raised issues around the issue of | :56:39. | :56:40. | |
exit... Ian, manners, please. Tomorrow Arlene Foster and Martin | :56:41. | :56:57. | |
engineers go to Downing Street for a meeting with the Prime Minister and | :56:58. | :57:01. | |
first ministers of Scotland and Wales to see how they can work | :57:02. | :57:07. | |
together to maximise Brexit. The difficulties are obvious. First, | :57:08. | :57:11. | |
here are some thoughts from last week about how Northern Ireland's | :57:12. | :57:15. | |
interests may be best protected. And whether or not Dublin should be | :57:16. | :57:27. | |
involved. Most of the negotiations will take place between the United | :57:28. | :57:33. | |
Kingdom. There is a substantive grounds for there to be, in some | :57:34. | :57:38. | |
areas, direct negotiations between the Irish government and the British | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
government. I think the issues that affect the movement on this island, | :57:44. | :57:49. | |
a fact a lot of the money that has helped companies initiatives from | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
Europe, and how we continue to build and develop the economy and Northern | :57:54. | :57:59. | |
Ireland. Great Britain and Northern Ireland, it's not about the whole of | :58:00. | :58:04. | |
Ireland. It's not about the Empire. It's about north and south? That | :58:05. | :58:09. | |
conversation needs to be had within a formal operators. It's been agreed | :58:10. | :58:17. | |
and signed up to buy parties. Would you not be a confident Unionist | :58:18. | :58:21. | |
going and have that conversation? This is about as making sure we put | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
the best pressure in the best places. That's done at Westminster, | :58:26. | :58:31. | |
not overly dinner table in Dublin. That's nonsense. There is an | :58:32. | :58:35. | |
opportunity for us to have two voices on the table, one on the | :58:36. | :58:39. | |
inside in terms of the Irish government and one speaking formally | :58:40. | :58:44. | |
in the British government. All would choose one voice over two? | :58:45. | :58:45. | |
When things are so crucial? 'S So where is Northern Ireland's place | :58:46. | :58:50. | |
'S in any forthcoming discussions it's almost two years since the last | :58:51. | :59:05. | |
meeting was held, do you think anything substantial come out of the | :59:06. | :59:09. | |
talks? I think it's interesting that Theresa May this morning said that | :59:10. | :59:12. | |
she once a grown-up relationship with Scotland, Wales and the North. | :59:13. | :59:17. | |
That type of relationship, for a grown-up relationship you have to | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
have respect. I don't know that she's necessarily going to respect | :59:22. | :59:24. | |
the views of Nicola Sturgeon and Martin McGuinness. They'll with a | :59:25. | :59:30. | |
anti-Brexit agenda. When you look at the statement everything is couched | :59:31. | :59:35. | |
in terms of protecting the union and that busy last thing that Nicola | :59:36. | :59:38. | |
Sturgeon and Martin McGuinness want to be part of. In the case of Nicola | :59:39. | :59:44. | |
Sturgeon it depends, she is prepared to remain in the union in Scotland | :59:45. | :59:49. | |
is protected in the single market. That can't be ensured. I take my | :59:50. | :59:55. | |
only long's point that the more voices you have at the table the | :59:56. | :00:00. | |
better. But, of course, we haven't got one voice in Northern Ireland. | :00:01. | :00:08. | |
The Irish government, Dublin, it in the course of Brexit negotiations | :00:09. | :00:10. | |
will help with what follow in its wake once we are right. We need | :00:11. | :00:17. | |
those trade deals. It is a signal to JNC tomorrow, up-to-date it has been | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
a damp squib. I think what Theresa May is trying to do is invigorate | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
them to provide a forum within which all four nations can engage | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
meaningfully. In that sense, is welcome, but I have no doubt she is | :00:32. | :00:34. | |
committed to getting out. That is not going to play well with | :00:35. | :00:38. | |
Scotland. What do you make of the decision on | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
part of the Unionists not to take part? Maybe not surprise, but is it | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
a serious error? I think it is. I don't agree that | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
the Irish are an ally in our discussions. The Irish government is | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
a co-guarantor of the Good Friday agreement, what Brexit means is that | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
they will be a delegation from an international treaty. The Irish | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
government has a responsibility to negotiate for Irish citizens | :01:06. | :01:07. | |
wherever they are resident, including those in the north. I | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
think it is somewhat short-sighted, especially in terms of the benefits | :01:13. | :01:13. | |
that may flow. especially in terms of the benefits | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
go ahead with this policy, I know. And now back to | :01:19. | :01:19. | |
go ahead with this policy, I know. that may flow. We | :01:20. | :01:20. | |
go ahead with this policy, I know. And now back to Andrew. | :01:21. | :01:20. | |
go ahead with this policy, I know. that may flow. We will watch | :01:21. | :01:22. | |
tomorrow with interest. It's back to Andrew in London. | :01:23. | :01:29. | |
With what Rory Stewart was saying there, it is clear that Islamic | :01:30. | :01:51. | |
State is losing territory in Iraq now, and could come under pressure | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
in Syria as well. It used to control a whole swathe of the coast of | :01:58. | :02:06. | |
Libya, and is now down to a small area of Sirte in Libya. But | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
curiously, it could make them more dangerous here if they are being | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
driven out of the Maghreb and the Levant, they could be more dangerous | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
here. Discuss. That was a very interesting admission from a | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
government minister, of all people, and a well-informed one. Chasing | :02:26. | :02:31. | |
Isis around the Middle East is about... Like chasing Al-Qaeda | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
around Afghanistan and Pakistan. You smash them somewhere, and they pop | :02:36. | :02:45. | |
up somewhere else. He is right to warn that these guys will go | :02:46. | :02:51. | |
somewhere. And it may well be, in Sirte, for example, across the magic | :02:52. | :03:00. | |
oration -- across the Mediterranean into Italy. A lot of the foreign | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
fighters in Mosul have already gone, we heard, which raises the question, | :03:06. | :03:13. | |
to where? I think it is quite right for government ministers to warn | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
that it might have repercussions here. We have been involved in this, | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
with full public consent, as far as we can tell. If it doesn't happen, | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
if there are horrors and outrages here and in the rest of Europe, | :03:27. | :03:32. | |
that's fine. If it does happen, at least the government is prepared. We | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
knew surprised about how categorical Nia Griffith was? She was | :03:37. | :03:48. | |
categorical about support for the Allied action in Iraq, and | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
categorical about Russia. So much so that perhaps written should take | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
tougher sanctions on its own, even if it can't get the Europeans to | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
fall in line. I found that interesting. I was surprised by | :04:04. | :04:08. | |
that. Tom may be right that Rory said more than perhaps he was | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
intending, but I thought that some of what she said sounded politically | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
imprudent in the current context of the Labour Party. I'm not sure she | :04:19. | :04:22. | |
cleared those lines with the Labour office. I'm not sure she and Jeremy | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
are in the same place about it. I'm not sure there is that much | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
leadership. People at the moment get out there and say what they think | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
it's right for the party. She sounded dead right to me. Whether it | :04:36. | :04:42. | |
is ill-advised or not, people should answer... I want to move on, because | :04:43. | :04:49. | |
Brexit never goes away. This week we saw Hilary Benn, former Shadow | :04:50. | :04:52. | |
Foreign Secretary. He is going to be the chair of the select committee in | :04:53. | :04:56. | |
the Commons which will monitor the Department for Brexit. All sorts of | :04:57. | :05:00. | |
people will be coming to give testimony and so one. Let's hear | :05:01. | :05:02. | |
what he told Andrew Marr. I think it will be very important | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
for the government to indicate that if it is not possible within the two | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
years provided for by Article 50 to negotiate both our withdrawal | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
agreement and a new trading relationship, market access, | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
including for services, 80% of our economy, million jobs, | :05:15. | :05:15. | |
in financial services, that it should tell the House | :05:16. | :05:17. | |
of Commons that it will seek a transitional arrangement | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
with the European Union. If the deal is not done at the end | :05:21. | :05:32. | |
of the two-year Article 50 process, would the government go for an | :05:33. | :05:38. | |
interim agreement, or would it fall back on WTO, World Trade | :05:39. | :05:43. | |
Organisation, Rawls? My understanding is the article 15 | :05:44. | :05:46. | |
negotiation doesn't specifically include what Britain's future | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
trading relationship with the EU would be. It is perfectly possible | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
that Article 50 could be triggered, and after two years we don't have a | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
trade deal, but the trade deal negotiations are ongoing when we are | :06:02. | :06:13. | |
outside the EU. But the trade deal negotiations are the most important | :06:14. | :06:15. | |
thing. If Article 50 doesn't cover it, what is it about? Absolutely | :06:16. | :06:17. | |
essential. The trade deal with Canada has taken nine years, and now | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
it looks like it is fading, because of the Walloons. Just one small part | :06:24. | :06:33. | |
of the country. If you cannot do a free-trade deal with Canada, a | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
progressive, social Democratic Canada, who can the EU do a trade | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
deal with? You would think it would be easy with us, because we have all | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
of the level playing field agreements in place. You would hope | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
it would be easier, but it may not be, because in the end, it will | :06:51. | :06:55. | |
hinge on the single market and if we are in or out. If we are in, can we | :06:56. | :07:05. | |
have a small break on immigration? It looks like not. What is | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
interesting about the opinion polls is, in the last two opinion polls | :07:09. | :07:11. | |
there was a significant change in public opinion, where people are now | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
saying they think that actually trade, the economy, the single | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
market is more important than immigration. If it is really true, | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
as the observer is reporting today, that banks are on the move, and in a | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
year's time there could be a significant collapse in the income | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
we get from finance, the income that the Treasury gets, then public | :07:35. | :07:46. | |
opinion might change. They may say, we don't want more immigration, but | :07:47. | :07:49. | |
this isn't a price worth paying. Everything tends to be seen through | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
the Brexit lens at the moment. Things are not always as they seem. | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
The Canadian- EU free trade agreement was about increasing free | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
trade between the EU and Canada, and therefore subject to the | :08:06. | :08:08. | |
ratification of all members. Any deal we do will not give us the same | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
access we have at the moment. The question is, how much will it be | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
diminished? It may not be subject to the same ratification process. | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
Absolutely right. Another unbelievably technical point that we | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
still don't know is, if we can get this free-trade deal with the EU at | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
the same time as our Brexit talks and deal, the divorce deal as well | :08:35. | :08:42. | |
as the remarriage deal, then one gets signed off by QM V. The trade | :08:43. | :08:51. | |
deal may still need all 28, all 27, including the people from the | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
Walloons. And the MEPs. The majority of parliament. This is exactly why | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
Theresa May would like the transitional deal to push this one | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
deeper. I was surprised to hear Hilary Benn pushing this line this | :09:06. | :09:09. | |
morning. The remainers have been all over the place. They wanted a vote | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
after Article 50 had been triggered about the deal. Then they wanted a | :09:15. | :09:19. | |
vote before Article 50. Now they are talking about a vote before article | :09:20. | :09:26. | |
Article 50 is triggered about a trade deal. They need to make up | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
their minds about what it is they are pushing for, and what their best | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
hope of obstructing Brexit is, and stick with it. Something else we see | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
through the Brexit lens, which isn't always helpful, is Calais. The | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
French bulldozers will move in tomorrow. We will see some pretty | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
disturbing scenes on the TV. We will see some horrible scenes. The | :09:52. | :09:55. | |
government has handled this very badly. Having passed an amendment in | :09:56. | :10:00. | |
April saying we would take something like 3000 children, a lot of those | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
children have disappeared. Save the Children, one of the charities | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
there, are very worried that people traffickers have been in there, and | :10:09. | :10:17. | |
a lot of those children have vanished. We haven't sent social | :10:18. | :10:19. | |
workers in. No preparations have been made what ever. You are raising | :10:20. | :10:26. | |
an interesting point. We don't know how many we are meant to be taking. | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
The huge argument has arisen over what the age is of some of the ones | :10:32. | :10:38. | |
coming in. Is this another problem for the Home Office? To some extent. | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
Didn't Theresa May 's too well to survive six weeks of this? Amber | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
Rudd has been there for three months. It is clear that the Home | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
Office didn't prepare for this. They didn't prepare for the age | :10:53. | :11:00. | |
verification or when it will go. It needs to be an perfect. We don't | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
know how many we will take, because the Home Office will not say. I want | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
to talk about airport capacity, but I won't, because I don't think we | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
have anything to say about it until the statement on Tuesday from | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
Transport Minister Grayling. When you look at the polls and see the | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
decision on airport runway expansion being kicked into the long grass for | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
a year, are we heading for an early election next year or not? I think | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
Theresa May will do everything she can to avoid it. If there is an | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
election before 2020, it is bound to be about Europe, and that is a much | :11:38. | :11:43. | |
harder case for her to win than just a question of who is the best Prime | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
Minister. She will have a tough time, because it will be a general | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
election about in or out of the single market. Half of her party | :11:53. | :11:58. | |
will peel away. How do she conduct a general election when the likes of | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
Anna Soubry will not stand on the same platform? It will be difficult. | :12:03. | :12:07. | |
But she may reach such a stalemate that she just calls one. No general | :12:08. | :12:15. | |
election next year because it will split the Tory party. There will be | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
won in 2019 when she cannot get Brexit through the House of Commons. | :12:20. | :12:23. | |
You really can have too much of a good thing. I | :12:24. | :12:24. | |
You really can have too much of a good thing. I just want to show a | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
little clip of the former Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls, from Strictly | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
last night. Let's just watch this. There he is. | :12:35. | :12:41. | |
Where is the hand? That is the worrying bit! We will no longer be | :12:42. | :12:49. | |
saying that Ed Balls is a safe pair of hands! Can we agree on that? | :12:50. | :12:57. | |
Remarkable that he was once the man most feared by David Cameron! Labour | :12:58. | :13:05. | |
leader 2021. He has hit popular culture in the way that many few | :13:06. | :13:12. | |
politicians do. Charm, gusto, bravery, no worries about being | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
embarrassed. All the things that you don't like about being a politician. | :13:17. | :13:23. | |
We have run out of time. You can get it on social media. | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
Jo Coburn will be back with the Daily Politics tomorrow | :13:27. | :13:28. | |
And I'll be back here next Sunday at the same time. | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
Remember if it's Sunday, it's the Sunday Politics. | :13:33. | :14:05. | |
Everyone's living these amazing lives, | :14:06. | :14:08. |