18/03/2012 Sunday Politics Scotland


Andrew Neil and Isabel Fraser with the latest political news and debate. With guests John Cridland of the CBI, Sir Simon Jenkins of the National Trust, and Stephen Hammond MP.

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It is budget week which means that Westminster Mills get into


overdrive. Will it be good by national rates. Will it be hollow


tycoon tax? What can the Chancellor do to get the wheels of British


And should we rebuilding more on England's green and pleasant land


are should it be back to the drawing board with the Government's


And on Sunday Politics Scotland, Nearly one in four young people in


Scotland doesn't have a job. Will next Wednesday's budget do anything


to help get them back to work? And we hear from Scotland's Special


Envoy and HIV campaigner Annie Lennox. She tells us wealthy


countries should stick to their aid promises if we want to avoid a


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That is a building permit system not a planning system. If you could


show it was socially or environmental or economically


viable, it would work. What about his.? The issue is there is


complete disagreement about whether are not what Simon Hughes it has is


in the document. We would have argued very strongly that all the


protections that had previously been in place remain in place.


why are you changing it? What we had was a complex system where


there were 1000 pages of planning guidance down to 56. You say you


are making it simpler, but you are not changing the principles it is


based on? We are allowing neighbourhoods to have a greater


say. We are ensuring that the land of the lowest environmental ball --


environmental value is looked at. It is not any sustainable tried --


type of environment. It meant that that it didn't make a profit? I am


expecting the document to have changed. We consulted lawyers,


everyone on this, it was going to be a lawyers' charter. Every


planning application would be appealed against. It was a really


bad system. I am hoping you are right this time. I am confident we


are right this time. Can I answer the point that you have asked me to


answer which was the first one. We are confident the war we had in the


first place was not what Simon described. We were confident in


what was there in terms of sustainable development. Do you


think building should be taking place in existing towns or should


it be in the countryside? I would like to see brownfield spaces in


existing towns to be developed first. It talked-about lowest


environmental amenity value. If you read the document... He has read it.


Away have all read that first document. A none of us has read the


new one. But she will soon have the chance. There is a commitment from


us to have by the end of March which we will do. Away will hold


you to that commitment. It is approaching 12:30pm. You are


Good afternoon and welcome to Sunday Politics Scotland. Coming


upon the programme: The number of people who don't have jobs


continues to spiral upwards. This week it up to 134,000. So how can


we get Scotland back to work? Emil the Chancellor's budget are help or


hinder? We will be talking to the Finance Secretary. Is the


Government's promise of free education really the best package


available in the UK? The Eurythmics singer and HIV


activist Annie Lennox tells us which Western countries are not


delivering on their life-saving promises. If we don't come met and


sustain the kind of work that has been done, it will reverse and


tragically results will be possibly a kind of Cass atrophic thing. --


catastrophic and should are near Shetland take advantage of the


present constitutional wrangling and become independent from


Scotland of a "yes" vote is successful?


Good afternoon. This week, George Osborne wasn't -- George Osborne's


budget has many challenges to address. Tackling unemployment is


one of them, but it is a very important one. Last week, with the


Scottish jobless figures rising yet again, we saw a summit aimed at


tackling youth unemployment. But what can politicians do? Not just


about the short-term, but the long- term challenge? Our business and


economy editor, Douglas Fraser, has been asking how to get Scotland


back to work, for a special programme to be broadcast tomorrow


evening. If there are some jobs in Glasgow


but getting them is not easy. Growing up, you always imagine to


yourselves, I want to do this, I want to do that. You think it will


be easy. I thought I am leaving school, I am going to get a job and


I will work. Then you realise it is not that simple. It is really,


really hard to get a job. In it is not just the downturn, with eight


stalling. It is not clear that the job market offers prosperity. A few


are talking about James, you would talk about having a lot of money, a


family, a big car. The reality I can see myself with a normal job


with a minimum wage. I might have one child and a council house.


reason why youth unemployment matters so much is a lesson from a


previous generation. This man is getting advice from the Wise Group.


Decades later the consequence for his age group - repeat unemployment


and low pay. I have been unemployed for 14 months and all I have been


doing is going on the internet, looking for work and writing a way


for jobs and not getting any replied. Joining different contract


companies and getting told I am just a figure. Other than that,


nothing. It make sure quite lazy. You think, what is the point of


fawning. Ways to get back into the labour force requires adaptability.


So on people say I need a job, any job. When you talk to them, you


find out that Nate -- that may not be true. They may not be aware of


this more or -- other recruitment procedures. We take them back to


find a what they have to offer, what skills do they have, what are


they looking far with no job?, men in particular suffer most. I would


reckon that by the age of three, you have managed to get work in the


future or you are a lost cause. It is simple things, do your parents


talk to you? Do you respond. Do you know how to play with toys? Do you


know how to play with friends? Do you resolve conflicts? In a


hospitality industry those of skills are particularly important.


This hotel chain based in Edinburgh with 800 employees takes the best


candidates on the day and while it is controversial, many with the


right skills come from Holland.. is hard to get the job. If you have


got it, you always try your best. You tried -- Jong has tried to do


the best. I am looking for somebody who are smart and well groomed. Who


turns up on time if not before. I am looking for someone who smiles


with a natural smile. Someone who can hold eye-contact. I am looking


for some creativeness, a spark. How much of that spark should come


from politics? This week in Dundee, Scotland's three years of


Government joined forces with up those who may have answers. The


politicians report has repeated the same mistakes, been too short-term


and then people exposed. For people who have not got skills, you go


through what the jobs are like in the JobCentre and you can see the


employers do not at guaranteed to provide you West minimum wage.


There is no guaranteed holiday. These are exploitative forms of


employment which provides no protection at all. It is a disgrace.


That report by Douglas Fraser. And his programme called 'Getting


Scotland Back to Work' is broadcast on BBC Scotland tomorrow evening at


10:35pm. I am joined now by the Finance


Secretary John Swinney who is in our Dundee studio.


Mr Swinney, the jobless total in Scotland is still on the rise.


234,000 now. How much higher do you expected to go? What we're seeing


with the unemployment position is a reflection of the difficult


economic conditions that we face and the challenge for us to make


sure that we take every step we can to address that so those economic


conditions and that we use every available intervention we have to


try to create employment of sit in Scotland. That has been the


approach the Scottish Government has taken about her own


responsibilities. It is also what we have encouraged the UK


Government to do as approaches the budget as we look forward to next


May. Do you expect that figure to follow any time soon? What we saw


in the figures that came out last week was a slow -- slowing up Ben


the increase of unemployment. I appreciate that situation is still


very significant. That is a welcome indication that the scale of


increase is slowing up, we may be looking at a more optimistic


outlook. I think from the other surveys that have been published,


particularly, the one on business attitudes, there is a growing level


of confidence within the economy. If there is that, then that will


help in the whole process of job creation and Scotland. The problem


is that unemployment is a lagging indicator and as we can say, youth


unemployment is just going to keep on rising. It is over 100,000 now


and it could get much worse than that. Youth unemployment is serious.


That is why the Scottish Government has taken the steps it has taken to


a point as specific Minister dealing with youth unemployment. It


is why we have put in place 25,000 modern apprenticeships to be


supported in every year of this Parliamentary term. It is why we


have given a guaranteed every 16 to 19-year-old that if they cannot


find a job, we will make sure that they have got employment are


training opportunity available to them. As a park funding for


colleges? The college funding situation was given a boost just a


few weeks ago. We are in a position to deliver that commitment to have


a place for every 16 to 19-year-old in training or education. Does this


weekend we have set out the level of funding they will go to six


local authorities in Scotland which have particular difficulties in the


field of youth unemployment. We will be supporting different


projects a local level and complementing the work that the


Government is taking forward. last point, funding some local


authorities. It is only �9 million and it is only Glasgow and its


surrounding local authority areas. Why are you only focusing a Glasgow


and the surrounding areas? Is that because there is an election coming


up? No There is an intensity of unemployment in these areas. If


people argue that we should concentrate in the areas of most


difficulty, we should do that. We should not be criticised on taking


a focused approach. But of course it is all part of a wider economic


message where we are intent on making sure the Scottish economy


work -- economy grows. We look to work effectively across all areas


of the economy to make the most of those particular opportunities.


what you make of one of the measures that is being suggested as


a possible budget measure to be announced on Wednesday by the


Chancellor, the prospect of a freeze on public-sector pay in some


parts of the UK? In parts of the UK where there is a lower cost of


living, to try to persuade more people to get jobs and the private


sector. Is that something you support? I think that is a generous


way of describing what I have heard the Chancellor's proposal is


rumoured to be. It is a reduction in pay for people in areas lie with


the side that England. -- the South of England. That will be a


disastrous approach if it is taken by the Chancellor because it will


undermine economic confidence in areas far removed from the South


East of England. It will do absolutely nothing to solve the


regional inequities that exist within the UK. I think it is an


indication of this is a fact that my counterparts in Wales and


Northern island and is opposed to this as I am. Edgar sure measure of


the potential disastrous impact this will have, not only on


employment and renumeration but on public expenditure. Will you


intervene to prevent that from having effect -- an effect in


Scotland? I have made clear to the Treasury, both in writing and in


person, my complete opposition to the approach they are taking a


regional pay. If the United Kingdom Government is interested in taking


their views of the devolved administration, they have not got a


basis to what the poor -- the Chancellor has proposed.


control �30 billion of public Scotland -- public spending in


Scotland. You could top-up those salaries to negate the effect of


that policy if it is announced. cannot intervene on pay rates which


I have no control over. Let's be clear. The Scottish Government will


go nowhere near this proposal for the areas and people that I said to


be under control. When it comes to the day -- the UK Government


responsibilities, regional pay would be damaging to individuals.


It would be damaging to local economies and Scotland and to


public expenditure in Scotland. We will oppose it.


We are joined now by two party finance spokesman. In Edinburgh,


Gavin Brown for the Scottish Conservatives, and here in Glasgow,


Scotland's -- Scottish Labour's Ken Macintosh.


Let me as Ken Macintosh about this measure. Knitted as a possible


solution to the gap that exists between public sector and private


sector employment in Scotland. Would you back that measure? No, I


find myself in agreement with John Swinney. It is not just a bad


measure. It is dangerous because it seems to be based on the premise


that the public and the private sector are rival sectors, that


public sector... The private sector, we need the private sector to be


dynamic. We need up public sector to be there to provide services and


the two makar intertwined. And wages and the public sector are


part of the dynamic of the spend in the private sector. They are


There was a quote in this is not -- is not an official Government


policy. You should not very carefully, any change would have to


be done extremely carefully to avoid some of the dangers that have


been touched on by the two previous speakers. Ultimately, the cost of


living in some parts of the country is different to the cost of living


in other parts of the country. I think there is a degree of


speculation in terms of what has been reported. In the meantime,


calls for a change of direction from the Chancellor, calls for him


to introduce a planned a plus or a plan B, call it what you like, to


try and generate some growth. Do you agree with those calls or is it


steady as she goes? This idea of the Scottish plan B is slightly


absurd. Priority number one must be ensuring that we maintain their


triple-A status for the United Kingdom. Any diminution of that,


any drop of that could lead to enormous paws on interest


repayments and damage the country and economy. On top of that, we


must address unemployment, and in particular, youth unemployment and


try and get a degree of growth back into our economy. I think we are


helped slightly from across the Atlantic from the news from the


United States, one of our key export markets. When the economy


picks up, it tends to have some kind of positive effect. We do not


necessarily follow exactly. Look to America and hope for the best? It


does not sound like much of a strategy. No, but something like


the use contract which was announced, 160,000 people from the


ages of 18 and 24, that actually goes live in April so that was an


ex-lover knighted at the time. It has not gone why get and so has not


managed to have an impact at the time. Ken Macintosh, it is easy to


talk about investment and trying to invest to create growth and jobs,


but what we must create in Scotland is private sector jobs. To deal


with the fact that the public sector is a shrinking just now.


Labour have not been very good at doing that. We must treat both. I


do not see the difference between the public and private sector in


those terms. But they are distinct, surely? Yes, but I do not think


they are interdependent. You cannot have private sector growth without


a strong public sector. The major issue the moment with the Tory


plans is that they are not delivering. Either in terms of pain


down the deficit or in jobs and growth. What worries me is that


they are fundamentally unfair. I do not quite understand what is


happening with this Budget. People talk in the lead-up to the Budget


seems to be about how much more we can attack the public sector and


whether or not to get rid of a 50p tax rate on those earning over


�150,000. We're talking about tried to protect the rich and poor will


often society, where everyone else, those who would have been earning


tax credits or gaining benefit or child benefits, and those on public


sector pay are getting their pay frozen. Everyone at work on middle


earnings are getting hammered. The Chancellor is concerned with those


at the top of the plan is not working. Gavin Brown, will be are


always in this together. Macintosh says he does not


understand the Budget. I believe the main reason for that is that it


has not happened bed. But the speculation about 50p tax... Very


briefly, would you support the cut in a 50p tax rate? Would I


supported? Personally, of course I would like to see it. I think there


is something important psychologically... But that is not


a priority, it cannot be a priority. I think there is a number of


priorities, but in theory I would like to see it happen. The


Chancellor has been quite clear that he is trying to help low and


middle earners with this Budget, and that is his priority this time


around. That is his priority, low and middle earners. If it was true


that would certainly be what we want, but can I say that every


single piece of speculation, and it is speculation, but every piece of


speculation has been about protecting the better off and


squeezing those in the middle. For example, those who are getting


pension relief, those earning one had and �50,000 are getting pension


relief. These are massive sums of money coming into the Treasury that


could be used to protect working tax credits. -- are those on


�150,000. The head or political steam has


been building a road affordable childcare and nursery education.


The First Minister grabbed headlines with a promise to


increase free nursery provision. That may not take effect for


several years. Meanwhile, an influential study has pointed out


that costs and patchy provision of childcare here. Our correspondent


reports now on the arguments as to whether Scotland is ahead of the


tour were lagging behind. Children these days. If Mum and Dad


had a job, a nursery place or some other form of childcare can make


all the difference between juggling parenthood and work. For the


Scotland's Government Ellie years plant aims to benefit children


parents and the economy. At the SNP spring conference, one of Alex


Allen's he promises was about nurseries. We will place into the


new children spell at Parliament next year a statutory guarantee of


over 600 hours of free nursery education for every Scottish three


and four-year-old. -- one of Alex Salmond's.


A's -- for every Scottish three and four-year-old, and for every looked


after two-year-old in her land. The best package of free nursery


education on offer anywhere in the United Kingdom. A statement of


faith and commitment for the future. Scotland is promising more than 600


hours per year Frida save for all three and 40 old. How does that


match up to the best of the United Kingdom? De annual hours in England


Kingdom? De annual hours in England are 570. In Wales, there is a


minimum of 380 hours, but some minimum of 380 hours, but some


councils provide extra. In Northern Ireland, the figure varies between


475 at 800 hours. The authorities there do not tend to fund more than


there do not tend to fund more than one year. Alex Allen's promise on


nursery owners went down well with the party faithful. It came up


again at First Minister's question. A family's need action now. Not a


clause in a children's bill, and not a two-year delay. Families do


not just need legislation in the future, they need a Government now


that will provide the funding to deliver reliable and affordable


childcare when people need it. Glasgow, St Roch's childcare


services takes in very young children. For their parents,


finding affordable and flexible childcare is crucial. I know what


I'm getting every month, so I am budgeted for that. So I know where


I stand every month, but if I was to get a little bit more help, that


would be easier. If it is expensive, the childcare. Sometimes I can't


afford it. The issue has also been on the news. Here in Scotland,


young families are pay more for childcare than almost anywhere in


the UK. A survey from the charity the day-care Trust and children in


Scotland found that prices here were on a par with the south-east


of England, and there were huge gaps in provision. The charity's


report was called the Scottish Child care lottery, and featured in


the holidays debate led by the Liberal Democrats. These issues


appear to be specific to Scotland and confirmed that any number of


areas we lack behind the rest of the UK. This is worrying. For our


children, high-quality healthcare including nursery care can be key


to supporting their development. The Conservatives say the system in


Scotland is not flexible enough. Instead of choice been about when


and how to spend entitlement, it becomes a debate about whether to


work or to have childcare. Actually, that has very serious consequences


for some parents, particularly if they are on their own.


Children's Minister announced plans to make the current scheme work


better, and Lunn bustard welfare reforms brought in by the


Government in Westminster. Across the country, parents wait delivery


of the promise on childcare. It is due to start is to many -- journey


through Parliament next year. Inner Edinburgh studio is Bronwen


Cohen, chief executive of children in Scotland. Add in the studio we


are joined by Professor Ron McWade, head of the Employment Institute at


Edinburgh University. -- Professor Ron McQuaid.


It is hard for families to balance work with family life, are there


signs that some are finding it impossible? It is very hard, and I


think that Scotland East to be much better than England and Wales. I


think that it is the -- I think that the situation it now is in a


worse place for parents than in England and Wales. I do think that


we should be aspiring to do more than just try and be better than


those elsewhere in the UK. We need to actually be addressing her very


poor position in terms of Europe as a whole. These UK as a whole is


failing miserably to meet the targets set ten years ago by the


European Commission. It is for full-time places for more than 90%


of three and four-year-olds. And for 33% of under three year old.


The figures we are looking at in Scotland are 5% for under-threes


and a quarter of three and four- year-old, if we are looking at


full-time places. That makes it very hard for families. I beg your


pardon, sorry to interrupt, but the effect, one McWade, is that woman


stop working when they have children and do not return to the


work for. -- Ron McQuaid. Many women work part-time, actually.


Around 43% of women work part-time. That is half-a-million woman. Many


of those return later as part time work or they read the work force


altogether. But when they do return, often they did not reach the full


potential Dessie had India Korea beforehand. We are bad at


supporting people. -- potential of they had in India career. That is a


brain drain, in effect? It is a huge brain-drain. The skills and


experience of these people are not being used. If you are in your late


30s, and you are -- and your children are grown-up and you are


going into the labour force, you still have more than 30 years in


the workforce ahead. Bronwen Cohen, in terms of specific measures to


address this problem, Alex Salmond announced last year at 600 hours of


free nursery care for each child, he will put it in law. It may take


a few years until it comes into effect. What impact will that have?


I am very pleased that the First Minister has decided to take a lead


on addressing this issue, I believe the situation has gone worse. The


benefits of investing in proper early years, they are not just a


matter of for Education, they are not just a matter for employment.


They call across the Scottish economy. That Scotland is going to


actually achieved the aspirations that we set ourselves, then early


years has a place in it. It is good that he is taking the lead on it,


but what he must do is address the fragmentation, the fragmented


approach we take to this. problem is that it is only a


partial solution, isn't it? There is 16 hours three per week, but


parents must pick up the tab for everything else if they want to


work. Absolutely, because we insist on treating early education as


something that is separate from the care that working parents require,


but also the broader needs that children themselves have. We divide


between overseas and under-threes, and we divide between education and


health. We talk about childcare and then talk about pre-school


education. The countries that have succeeded in addressing this, at


all countries started at the same position, but the countries that


have achieved it have done it by bringing together education and


childcare, recognising the contribution to health and other


areas. In the contribution -- in the context of your earlier story


about the economy and budget, it is time that we recognise that


investing in these services is not just a long-term matter, it is


about achieving things in the longer term, I believe quite


strongly that we must look at how we can galvanise the Scottish


economy. The single biggest group of children living in poverty, the


single biggest group of Scots living in poverty, our children


under three. A quarter of children under three are in families living


under the poverty threshold. What is the root out of that? Better


services. Roman McWade, that sounds like a need for big Government. Is


there an appetite for that kind of radical change? To provide that


Billy here support to let women back into the workforce? I totally


agree that we must have a much more joined up, much more comprehensive


review of looking at not just nurseries, but childcare and


support. It is not just about childcare, it is about tax and the


pliability support. And other issues such as transport, which we


need to provide a whole package for people to get back into work and to


continue into work. Working for families did try to do that, around


five years ago, in 2004 to 2008. There was �50 million spent by the


Scottish Government one working families. It deliberately tried to


integrate various types of childcare. OK, we are short of time,


but problem:, one of the issues that this raises a is the role of


state nurseries. -- Bronwen Cohen. At holidays, Easter and Christmas,


children do not get the wrap around care that is needed. Should there,


could there be a reform of that to help more women get back into work?


You mean in terms of making greater use of schools? Absolutely.


Countries that have achieved this have done it by making much more


effective use of schools. It is not just a matter of more money, we


should be making more effective use of money. Surveys show that these


UK spent quite a lot by early years. Word has it: what to be achieved?


What we are doing is funding poverty, funding fragmentation,


because we do not have a grip on bringing together these areas


benefits which extend beyond ending poverty. They extend beyond


education, they moved into areas like greater creativity, what of


research now shows the benefits that come in the longer term over


the lifetime, not only in terms of health but in terms of education,


creativity, employability. That is why I say it is an issue for the


First Minister. The First Minister must take a grip of this. Whilst we


are reduced to be much better than England and Wales, or we are now


not so good and we need to actually move back and do something about it.


The multi-award-winning singer Annie Lennox was back in Scotland


this week. She visited Holyrood to update them on a role as special


and -- as special envoy to after car for the Commonwealth


Parliamentary Association. Earlier in the year, she went to Mullaly


with the Presiding Officer Alex Fergusson. We got up -- we cut up


with her and began by asking if this was a critical moment in the


battle against HIV and AIDS. Anyone who is representing any issue is


now having to fight for this. So despite all of the tremendous


progress that has been made over their last decade or so, if we


don't come met and sustained the type of work that has been done, it


will reverse. Tragically their results will be possibly a kind of


catastrophic thing. And I think it would be really be a mess if we


don't see through our Millennium development goals, we don't Ellice


commit and sustained stay without gall and focus. From this has been


made and some of them have not been followed on by some of the ones


made by the richest countries in the world. -- promises. Companies


like Germany, Japan. It is not paying its full share into the


global fund. It must be frustrating for you? I think it is absolutely


frustrating when one, when you have seen the background of the issues


that one is representing, in terms of education, nutrition for


children. In terms of women's rights and source of healthcare. It


just goes right across the board. Here in Edinburgh when we were


campaigning in the make cover to -- Make Poverty History campaign, also


knew that this was not something that was going to happen overnight.


Poverty will never be made history overnight. But what we can do is


make consistent attempts to keep the issue on the agenda. And how do


you persuade countries in the West, which have problems with money,


where unemployment is on the rise, where they struggle to deal with


poverty in their own backyard. How do you persuade them to give their


money to solve problems, perhaps on the other side of the world?


completely understand how people are not feel. But we live in


wealthy circumstances. I am a very privileged person. I think Fermi,


the issue is an ethical one. We spent three times more on bottled


water than we do to international aid. We have to get it into


perspective. In some ways we are getting less worried by HIV and


AIDS in the West as anti- -- as drugs take hold. Less people are


dying here. Here the problem is... In visible. That is the problem.


When issues are basing a whole population, it is an emergency,


then we want to respond because it is there on the front news. It is


in the papers. With the issue of HIV, for example, there is a lot of


stigma around it, a lot of silence around it. Even in the countries


where people have been wiped out on a regular basis, people are


hesitant to talk about HIV and AIDS because of the stigma. So part of


the challenge for an active as like myself is to keep pushing, so that


it stays on the agenda. When you hear that message about safe sex,


one that has tremendous effect on the problem, there are still summon


the West announce that message. You hear from the Catholic Church and


the ball. He must despair when you hear that? I'm do despair. I here


and say what a nonce and it is. -- what a nonsense. A condom use, it


is important. People get the contradictory message in a very


powerful one coming from the Church, to say no, you should not use their


condom. This is a nightmare. are here talking to the Scottish


Government about a global struggle against a pandemic alert. But the


focus here in Scholl and right now, if the political debate is


dominated by a discussion on independence. -- in Scotland. Do


you ever think to yourself this is navel-gazing. They should think our


words. I understand, historically whether Scotland's days as part of


the British Isles are is an independent country, is there not


been thing for everyone. Life carries on as normal. In 30 years'


time when we look back, when we were all saying will Scotland the


Independent are not? This will be a critical time in their future for


the people of Scotland. We will leave it there. Thank you.


Annie Lennox there. Now should are near Shetland be allowed to remain


part of the UK if the island's reject independence and the rest of


Scotland falls far it in the referendum? A suggestion has come


from both Lib Dem MPs for the Northern Isles, Tavish Scotland


Liam McArthur. In the respond to the UK Government's referendum


consultation, they are advocating enhanced powers for that islands


including a different tax status within the UK. John Johnston


reports. Shetland has considered itself


different. It is proud to fly its own flag. It combines Scotland's


national colours with an offset cross. Each year the community


celebrates its Viking heritage. Many of Shetland's place names them


from the old Norse language. Shetland has got a different


history. Shell and was once part of Scandinavia. But a period of


prosperity, Shetland has got very interested in their north past. --


Norse. The islands are best known for the fiddle music. There is also


assigned you will find anywhere else. The Shetland dialect. It is a


dialect of Scots because we have been a part of Scotland for over


500 years. But because of the 500 years before that we were part of


Scandinavia, there are parts of the dialect which relate to Old Norse.


But now the SNP's push for independence is reopening


discussions about Scotland -- Shetland's constitutional position.


We learn in the 70s when we took on central Government that we could do


much better for the islands with our agreements with the oil


companies. We have to look at that taper system again, a different


system of taxation so we get cheaper fuel and cheaper transport.


That is what will keep these islands a life. Afresh catch of


crabs. Shetland was given the first regulated order and 2002 giving


local fishermen the power to look after their own Inshaw fishery. The


Island's she food industry is worth �320 million to their local economy.


It has been a total disaster for the communities that depend on the


fishery. What we need is regionalisation. That means


listening to the fishermen, to the people, and to those who have to


abide by the regulations. Tavish Scotland Liam McArthur say it is


time to renegotiate their constitutional relationship between


the Northern Isles and the Scottish mainland. They want to see more pub


powers for the islands. To achieve that we need to have some political


leverage. There needs that organisation that is pushing for


autonomy. I do not see that here. To see their kind of things that


have issues after, we have to be have to walk into Holyrood and to


deal to say, we need to strike a deal here. I do not see us having


any jets to put in front of the table. The Northern Isles adopted a


different perspective and the 1970s on the constitutional debate from


the rest of Scotland. There remains to be seen in 2014 what destination


it decides on in this constitutional journey.


Tavish Scott, the MSP for the Shetland Islands is with us now.


Thanks for joining us. So of Scotland rose to become part


Independent a few years far now, with that result be accepted in the


Northern Isles? Who knows. The real point here is that instead of


waiting to see what happens to us in the islands, Liam McArthur and I


want to make sure there is a real debate about what we want on the


governments of all scholar than the UK. Instead of just being seen as a


box of the money first. We want to make sure we are seeing. -- Moray


firth. To be absolutely clear, is Scotland goes independent, Shetland


and the Orkney Isles may not going dependent, would that be right?


That is what we're trying to elicit from the submission that we have


played to the UK Government's discussion documents. I am not


convinced the people of Shetland will fall for Scott -- for


independence. -- will vote for. I think there is a great opportunity


for Orkney and Shetland to decide the path for us. To make sure that


those responsibilities maintain our economy and culture. What status


would you like to see the Northern Isles have? A more autonomy, more


like the Isle of Man? What do you imagine? I do want to see more


autonomy because what we have seen over the last five years as a


centralising of powers to enter Edinburgh, the taking away of


responsibilities from local people. I do not think that is good for the


islands at all. I want to devolve the powers to a local island so


that we can take good decisions for the long-term interests of marine


businesses, such as fishing and seafood businesses that depend on


the sea far future. It is of the UK and I and another we would like to


target in making a positive argument For Change they could


astound -- strengthen our economy and identity. Should Glasgow,


should Aberdeen have greater autonomy then? I am not the SNP for


any other areas you have mentioned. -- MSP. In the past, the SNP did


articulate a policy position of self-determination for the Northern


Isles and I simply want to hold them to that. If their approach to


the future of Scotland is based on oil and gas being part of the


financial deal that would make Scotland Independent, that would


allow Scotland to be independent, if it is a geographical share of


gas and oil, Shetland and Orkney have a big stake and that as well.


We have some pretty good chips to play and those are the ones the


people of the island should decide on. You mention the Crown Estates,


that is an uncontentious issue. But if you start arguing about a share


of Scotland's oil, that is dynamite. Yes. And Mr Salmond deploys that


argument. I think that what we want to observe from the Northern Isles


is that if it is a good enough argument in Edinburgh, it is a good


one incur work -- work well. We plan to use that in the discussion


that will take place in that aspect of independence. Tavish Scott. I do


Now to the last of our special CDs looking at the council elections in


May. We have looked at the beck for parties, but that is only part of


the story. The introduction of proportional representation in


local Government has led to a wider range of views being represented in


council chambers around the land. Our correspondent has been talking


to two councilors with contrasting perspectives. It begins to the


Highlands, where not so long ago a bulk of cows was were not from a


major party. -- a bulk of councillors were not


from a major party. The Highlands. They'd spent part of


Scotland with a distinct way of Highland Council, too, is


distinctive. It serves the largest geographical area of any council in


the UK. Together, with some of the most Knut -- some of the most


remote communities anywhere on the British mainland. Perhaps then it


is no wonder that local politics here has a distinctive dimension.


In much of the Highlands and Islands, There is a long tradition


of independent counsellors standing on a platform divorced from normal


party politics. As a general rule, proportional representation in


council elections as felt independence and smaller parties.


But even the Highlands proportion representation has actually helps


the political parties and played a part in reducing the role of the


independence. Sandy Park is about to retire as a


councillor after some 18 years. He rose to become convenor and sought


independence grow from a majority to the biggest minority. I have had


a tremendous working relationship with the Scottish Government, one


of the reasons is that I have been an independent councillor. I have


had confidential conversations with the major Scottish Government


officials and, indeed, from the First Minister to John Swinney, as


they would not confide if I was a political member. I think the


Independent councillor has that Bowness. By proportional


representation did not just lead to more councillors from the political


parties in the Highlands, it also means that each council ward in


Scotland now has several councillors. I think a big plus in


the past was that you had a ward and you council. Nowadays we have a


multi-member wards. For councils represents the whole of Nairn. In


the past you had your own ward and that was you really looking after


that word. I think people really appreciated having one councillor


for one ward. I feel really strongly about that. I think we


should return to one word for one council. Edinburgh may share a


little of the Highlands rugged landscape, but the effect of


proportional representation here was more conventional. It helps the


smaller parties. Thanks to PR, the Greens have a voice now. The creams


got there first seats on the council in 2007. This councillor is


now an MSP, too. I think it has been very important. All of those


people who want a green voice representing them finally have that


choice. I think that boys has been an effective and active one.


Certainly, we are very proud of her contribution in Edinburgh. We


simply have to look at the number of motions to have tabled an the


questions he asked, the scrutiny be have applied to the decisions they


administration has taken, be an effective. When the numbers in the


Council has finally balas, it is easier for every grit in the


council to have at least some influence. Everyone's voice is


important. There is more discussion within the groups, and you can


arrive at positions of consensus when possible, and certainly, we


vote for issues on their merits. They have voted with different


parties on different issues. That is a healthy thing. In the


Highlands, supporters of PR always argued that it could change the


landscape of councils. Nobody would dispute that has happened, even if


some, they believe, not all change has been for the better.


Our correspondent, Jamie McIver. He is the lunchtime news.


Thank you. Good afternoon. Scotland's Finance Secretary has


said that UK Government plans to scrap national pay rates in


discreet's budget would be disastrous. The Chancellor is


expected to say that civil servants should have paid brought in line


with private sector salaries in their regions. John Swinney claims


it would be damaging for individuals, local economies and


public expenditure in Scotland. The Scottish Conservatives have


announced that they are starting a new campaign group to fight for the


union. Conservative friends of the union will be watched by the party


leader at the conference entrain at the end of the week. Ruth Davidson


said that CFU would be a home for all Scots who want to stay in the


unions. Scotland's Public Health Minister


wants adverts for food which it is high in fat and salt to not be


broadcast before the 9pm watershed. Michael Matheson has written to the


Westminster Government to ask if they would support a ban across the


UK. Ministers say, however, that the current rules for TV


advertising are proportional and balanced. Mr Matson disagrees.


Existing arrangements through of, are not working in the way through


which they were intended. The best way to deal with this is to have a


pre-watershed band so that these types of products cannot be


advertised by a to 9pm. Game doing so, we can reduce the exposure that


young people have to this type of young people have to this type of


advertising. And now the weather. Are very much like yesterday, we


are looking at a lot of dry and fine weather across the country. We


are almost see wall-to-wall sunshine and it will stay that way


for the rest of the day. The best of the sunshine will be across this


north-east corner, but nearly everyone will see the sun. We will


continue to see shivers across the northern isles. There will be high


temperatures of around 11 degrees in this north-east corner. Quite a


fresh north-westerly wind in the north, but later went inland.


That is it for now, our next That is it for now, our next


bulletin is at 6:50pm. Any moment, we will be discussing


the big events coming up this week. First let's take a look back at the


A new law introducing a minimum unit price for a call passed its


first major parliamentary hurdle by 86 votes 2-0, Labour abstained.


The Provost of Perth and Kinross was among those celebrating the new


status it has as a city. The number of Scots out of work


rose by 6,000 this month, taking the total to 234,000.


The UK Government's First National Convention on youth unemployment


took place in Dundee. The work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan


Smith explained why it was needed. It is matching young people to the


jobs that their experience and capabilities. If we do that, we


will see the level of youth unemployment fall. David Gilroy was


found guilty of killing his former lover. She disappeared on her way


to work in the centre of Edinburgh in the 2010.


This week, everyone will be keeping their eye on the breadbox on its


way to the despatch box. -- cornet d'Or red box.


And with any to look towards the budget is Lucy Adams from the


Herald newspaper and in Edinburgh, the Telegraph's and Cochrane.


We see Adams, all eyes on the budget? What can we expect? I think


we know from some of the information that has been casually


and leaked to newspapers that we are looking at a big argument about


public sector pay in terms of variations across the country. As


John Swinney said earlier, it is quite alarming in terms of the


impact it could have, in terms of the divide we already have in the


north and south of the country. We have also been falling over the


past few weeks the row about whether the 50% rate of tax for


those earning �150,000 or more will stay or cold. If it does go, what


will feel at Dems get from that? Will they have their mansion tax,


as Vince Cable talked about? Or will we have Nick Clegg's tycoon


tax, of which we have seen almost no details whatsoever. Those are


the king fairly unlikely. It is a good question, Alan Cochrane, what


will the Liberal Democrats get out of this Budget, if anything? We see


a whole range of measures being proposed quite clearly by the


Conservatives. At the Lib Dems getting anything but the scraps


from the table? The Liberal Democrats are apparently fairly


relaxed of the 50p then, provided it gets them a big sledgehammer to


whack the rich on tax avoidance. I think on the business of public


sector pay differentials throughout the UK, they are probably going to


go along with that as well. It is not about punishing civil servants


in Scotland or the North of England, it is about helping private


employers to recruit people. Currently, just in my industry, the


newspaper industry, I know lots of young reporters in Scotland have


gone to work for the Government as press officers, civil servant press


officers. He would not go and be a press officer for the excitement,


as you go for the extra money. That is what is happening, you are


getting more working in St Andrew's House as a press officer and you


getting working for the Herald. That is just my industry, that is


happening all over British industry. The private sector cannot complete


with public's -- cannot compete with public sector pay. You can


make that argument, C Adams, but it will not necessarily play with a


Scotland that has a very high level of public sector employment.


Absolutely, and it can only exacerbate the difference is there


already are in terms of the South East and places like Scotland. I


feel as well that this is a massive distraction. In a week where he


will find it difficult to explain the lack of growth, the huge levels


of debt that the country is still in. And the fact that he has


nothing exciting to throw out there. This seems to me like a massive


distraction. He knows there will be a huge row about this for the rest


of the week, and Scotland will be extraordinarily unhappy. We had a


huge number of people working within the public sector who will


not take this lying down. problem, Alan Cochrane, as the


Government tries to pursue the so- called respected gender, as it


tries to connect with Scott on the head of an independence referendum,


this sort of measure would appear to be going up the drawbridge


around the south-east of England? That is bladders. It is not a


protecting London or the south-east, it is about helping, Lucy talks


about growth quite rightly, it is about helping growth in the private


sector and stimulating growth in the private sector by getting


people into work in the private sector. The public sector is big in


Scotland and of course Scotland will be unhappy. Scotland tends to


be unhappy about the public sector about everything. But this is a


positive move. It is about helping kids work in the private sector and


not the public sector. Lucy Adams, there is growing concern about


unemployment. The rate rises and rises. The Chancellor is under


pressure to do something. To try and stimulate growth. And by


stimulating growth complicating a few jobs. What options are open to


head? Are there any easy option scheme at because of the lack of


growth, there does not seem to be any easy options. Unemployment is


at the 16 year high. What we have seen are some very side issues,


some very contentious things about people working for free in


supermarkets and people try to build up work experience without


getting paid whatsoever. The UK Government has talked about plants


that they have for John people in investment, to put into young


people, but all that seems very paltry in contrast to the lack of


jobs. And the lack of aspirations as well for young people coming out


of any kind of education, whether it is university or otherwise, as


we have an enormous amount of examples of people who are very


well educated but simply cannot find a job. Therein lies the


challenge, Alan Cochrane, to create jobs. It is a difficult thing for


any Government to do. Government cannot create jobs, they


can only create the conditions for jobs. What they're trying to do is


create conditions for kids to go into the private sector and get


jobs. Was he is right, there is a huge problem with youth


unemployment. She has also read, many educated people are coming out


of university and cannot get a job. But Abbey educated in things that


employers want them to be educated in? -- but are to be educated. Lucy


is absolutely right, the pay differential thing will not be the


main thing in the Budget, that is probably going to be a long weeks


time. But it will not affect what the workers in the public sector in


Scotland. It will not affect teachers or nurses, in both of


those cases, the wage rates are set in Scotland. The horse-trading that


has been going on his the first time that we have seen this in


public, were the two sides of the Cabinet are hard to do with one


another in public about how the am going to do a deal with one another.


We have never seen this before because we have never had a


coalition Government. It is fascinating, because in the past,


when Gordon Brown was Chancellor, he told the Cabinet on the morning


of the Budget what was in it, he did not tell them before. Margaret


Thatcher and Geoffrey Howe did not tell the Cabinet because they


thought they would like it. But now we have a rough idea what the two


sides fought and died rough idea what people get. Lucy Adams, it is


an extraordinary lead-up to this. We have had so many weeks, be have


had to Vince Cable's letter criticising the lack of vision,


Andrew Neil and Isabel Fraser with the latest political news and debate.

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