01/04/2012 Sunday Politics Scotland


01/04/2012

Andrew Neil and Isabel Fraser present. Including an interview with health secretary Andrew Lansley about his proposed reforms to the NHS and what they would mean for patients.


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George Galloway conjured up a Sten -- an astonishing by-election

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victory. Has he knocked the stuffing out of Labour?

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The Health and Social dead -- Care Bill gets through Parliament at

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last. But what does it mean for Andrew Lansley? And here:

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Sccusations that the Scottish Government's referendum

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consultation is rigged as the Westminster one shows support for

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an early vote. The gas leak that keeps leaking in

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1799 seconds

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the North Sea. Are the risks of Deal care if the private sector

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1799 seconds

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We are seeing productivity increase in the NHS where it did not

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increase under Labour. So NHS hospitals will be in a strong a

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place to provide the services patients need. If you are re-

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elected in 2015, can you give a guarantee that there will be no

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further reorganisation? legislation is very clear...

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can't? Can you give a pledge that there will be no a major

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reorganisation from 2015? For my point of view and I am sure it will

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be the same for David, the legislation was to deal with all of

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the issues required and the reforms, in order to sustain the NHS in the

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21st century, so to that extent, absolutely, it should give

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sustainability for a long period of time. And you won't enforce some of

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the changes asked by the Lib Dems and the Lords? No. You talked about

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amendments but in the Lords, we made amendments through a process

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of constructive debate and agreement. There were 32 votes in

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the Lords and we actually only lost two, one of which we accepted, and

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another where Lord Patel of Bradford put forward another

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suggestion which we are unhappy with. It has a great degree of

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sustainability. Do you have any regrets? Yes. A year ago, we had to

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stop the legislation to have a full engagement with NHS staff. Although

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we consulted on the white paper more than 18 months ago, many of

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the organisations that responded did not get to grips with what was

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in the legislation, said to have had that kind of engagement with

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the NHS Future Forum would have been better earlier. Given your

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unpopularity among swathes of health professionals, would it not

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be better to let somebody else come in and implement these reforms?

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Your damaged goods in the eyes of health professionals? That is very

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kind of you to say so! Others say different things. That comes from

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the trade unions. What they are all now is that for eight-and-a-half

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years as my party spokesman, I have been an advocate and supporter of

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the NHS. We have increased resources for the NHS in real terms

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each year. Has it destroyed your political career? No, it hasn't.

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you still have one? I have a passion for ensuring the NHS is in

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a stronger place in the future to give greater service and benefits

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to patients. All right. We have run out of time. Delivering quality for

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patients in the future will absolutely be my aim. Thank you. We

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will talk to you in the future if you are still Secretary of State

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for Health. You are watching Sunday Politics. Still coming up...

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Good afternoon and welcome to Sunday Politics Scotland. Coming up

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on the programme, a new war of words on the independence

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referendum. It could take six months to resolve

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the gas leak at the Total platform near Elgin. Is the price of deep

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sea drilling too great? Should the drink-drive limit be

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lowered in Scotland? We hear from a campaigner who says a lower limit

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would save lives. I feel like an episode of Casualty. When I stood

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up, I thought they should shout, cut, and then I realised it was

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real. I was lying down. But first, Westminster and Holyrood

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are at loggerheads once more over the independence referendum. This

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time it's over whose consultation process is more valid. The UK

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Government says its consultation shows that there is a clear

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majority in favour of an early ballot. Meanwhile, opposition

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parties are challenging the validity of the Scottish

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Government's referendum consultation after it emerged

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people could respond anonymously and multiple times. Our reporter

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Laura Bicker has more. So, there were two consultations on

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both side of the border. 3,000 people replied to Westminster. They

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included individuals and business representatives. 70% of people said

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they would like a referendum earlier than in the autumn of 2014.

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22% supported the Scottish government timescale. The UK

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Government said none of the replies were anonymous and they did not

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accept multiple replies in the same name. But it has emerged north of

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the border, that was allowed. The Scottish government's consultation

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does accept anonymous contributions and multiple submissions. We have

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got a First Minister voting about how many responses -- boasting

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about how many responses he has received but people are sitting at

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home sending in the same answers. We need confidence in this

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consultation because we are talking about the future of our country.

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need to be able to rely on having no leaks. They have to publish

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every submission they receive. We can then get some idea as to how

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many responses were anonymous and therefore how much suspicion we

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might have. The Scottish government said they had more than 10,000

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replies. The consultation will run until 11th May.

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Joining me now art Stewart Hosie and Anas Sarwar. Stewart Hosie,

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let's start with the SNP government consultation of. What kind of

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confidence can the public have had a consultation process that allows

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a anonymous responses and modelled for responses from the same

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address? They can have a great deal of confidence because it will be

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independently verified. Let's get to the fact. The Scottish

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government's consultation uses exactly the same rules used in 2004

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by Labour on the smoking ban consultation. And the same that we

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used in 2006 in the tourism bill consultation in the name of

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Patricia Ferguson. And even the Calman Commission and utterly

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accepted but published anonymous entries. The information into the

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Scottish government's consultation was far larger than the UK one. It

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will be independently verified and published, I am sure, as was said.

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Do you accept people can make multiple anonymous comments and

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submissions to this consultation? Are you saying there is some way in

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which this can be just rolled out later on in the process? -- called

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out. Well, during the process, it is made clear when there is a

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number of the duplicates. The rules being used are exactly the same as

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being used in every single other consultation. Given the importance

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of this referendum and given that, for example, even pro-independence

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supporters might question the credibility of this consultation,

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why did you not put in roles like Westminster did, saying, no

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multiple submissions and no multiple ones? Because there was

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used are exactly the same as used in a Labour bill and the Calman

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Commission. I understand you are saying there is a degree of

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hypocrisy, but as somebody now who is commenting on the Scottish

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government and its proposals, do you think the public, the wider

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public, can have confidence in this? I think they can. We

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understand from the rumours that half the consultation responses to

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the UK Government's very small consultation came through a website

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poor tour run by the Labour body. I think if there is any question over

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the efficacy, it should be over the UK one. It was so self-selecting

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that half the submissions came from members of one political party.

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What are you saying when this consultation closes in May? Who

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will verify what was a legitimate vote and what was not? These are

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not votes, these are submissions. Yes, I understand. Who will verify

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they are from one single person and who they are from? It will probably

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be verified and the findings will be published as normal in house.

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if that is the case, there will be no problem. Surely it is the same

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process as consultations in the past? Firstly, it is not, because

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you don't even have to submit any form of identity to put in an

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anonymous response. And you can put in an -- multiple responses. They

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also go on about how many responses they have received and putting that

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to the figure to the UK response, where Bobby did have to put in an

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email address and proof of identity. On the Labour party's own website,

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you have to put in your name. It is not anonymous. But you could put in

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multiple response is? -- Malta poor responses? You can see who has put

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in a response would their name and email address. And then the

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validity of the process itself, it is clear having a consultation

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process where you can put in multiple responses and anonymous

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without any email address or name is not only open to abuse, it is

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designed for abuse. That is a very significant accusation here,

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Stewart Hosie, that you have to sign this for abuse. You are

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actually saying that the SNP are trying to rig this? Is that how you

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read it? The responses through the Labour Party website are being

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monitored but that is worrying if Labour are able to monitor

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responses through the website to a public consultation. That is

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extremely concerning. If what I said was that individual email

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addresses and names that will go in our inner responses. I am making

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that accusation... This is more about Alex Salmond's legacy for

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Scotland. What we need is a robust process that the people of Scotland

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We have had exactly the same at roles in any other consultation. We

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did not just take the enormous admissions. I find it disgusting

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that the good people of Scotland entering this consultation honestly

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and openly are being talked down and having entries minimised

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crassly by the Labour Party. What about the idea that we have got a

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predetermined intention to break this referendum? Clearly, that is

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absolutely false. This is a public consultation. People can submit any

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response they want and quite rightly. It will be considered by

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the Scottish government as part of the process of the referendum in

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2014 and the idea it has been at rate is an appalling accusation by

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the Labour Party. What will be processed be to ensure that we have

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not got multiple responses by SNP members? He said it would be buried

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for -- unverified. By whom? -- and verified. We have to move on to the

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consultation that is talking about an early timescale as opposed to be

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preferred 2014 timescale. What do you think? They clearly fear the

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verdict of the Scottish people. What do you think would be

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appropriate? It should be as quick and clear as possible. What about

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the legal process. I think we should be open to having a

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referendum earlier rather than later because it is undermining

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confidence. You support 2013? soon as possible. What is your

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response to be 70 % in favour of an earlier time scale? We might well

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have people keen to see Scotland Independent and they want the

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referendum sooner rather than later but I think 2014 makes sense. The

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consultation will tell us what people think about that. It is a

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big decision and it is important we get it right and consider issues

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properly be. We should not rush this port narrow party advantage.

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This is what the public say they want. You are not convinced?

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winners are half of the people wanting this are Labour Party

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members. It is not really a public vote, is it? Thank you for coming

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in today. As gas leaks from the Elgin Platform, Total is

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considering pumping marred to plug it. It has got rigs available to

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draw off the gas and allow be well to be sealed. It is an expensive

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option and could take six months. Total have asked companies involved

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in the Deep Water Horizon disaster in the Gulf of Mexico to help.

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Professor Martin Preston is a pollution expert from the

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University of Liverpool. How dangerous do you think this

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situation remains, even though the flair has gone out? Now declare has

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gone out, that has taken out one significant risk. But we have got a

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big gas leak at risk because it is coming out on the platform and it

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will be difficult to seal it off. It will take a long time to fix.

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Can people be put back on that timetable in the foreseeable

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future? The decision will not be easy. You are putting people into

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dangerous situations and it will be a hazardous environment with Gas

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meeting. You need to get to a stage where the area of greatest risk has

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been sorted out. A small event like a static discharge from a piece of

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clothing or a dropped to all causing a spark, that could cause a

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calamity and that is what everybody wants to avoid. A great deal of

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thought will have to go into putting people back on the platform

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and I am sure Total will be exploring the options without

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having to put people at risk. what happens has to be digging out

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double Wells, that could take six months. Possibly, yes. If they have

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to do that, this particular area is not in deep water but be well

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itself is buried deep. -- buried deep. The League has come from an

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unexpected pocket of gas. -- extremely deep. It is leaking gas

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coming from a subsidiary. Technically, it is going to be a

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difficult fix and when that you are drilling you have got to be sure

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where to drill before you get started. We understand it is deep-

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water drilling. Is that more dangerous? Is what happening in

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Elgin telling us about technology and safety? As easy reserves are

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getting used up, obviously people are looking more and more at remote

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options. These are inherently more dangerous. Deep water and remote

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locations and hostile environments or increase risk. I think

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everybody's concern is that the technology allowing drilling is not

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being matched by the technology for dealing with accidents when they

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happen. We saw that in the Gulf of Mexico at. The technology for

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drilling was obviously dead but people seemed to be making it up as

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they went along when they tried to fix the problem and that is the

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main concern. Technology is not keeping up. Our commercial

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considerations driving all this? -- is it that. That would appear to be

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the case. You get money by taking gas and oil out of the ground and

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you do what you can to make reasonable preparations to deal

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with problems when they happened. But when something major and

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unexpected happens like in the Gulf of Mexico and like what has

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happened here with a secondary gas supply, these are things which can

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catch people out and you might not have the technology and expertise

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and even the basic procedures to get going quickly. Thank you very

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much indeed. The Scottish Environment Secretary is in

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Inverness. If we just pick up that final point, do you have concerns

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about this problem between what technology can deliver and the

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safety procedures that we have got in place? If that were the case I

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would certainly be concerned. The problem we have discussed today, we

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will have to have a full inquiry to discover what happened. The problem

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last summer as well. It is important to find out what has

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caused the problem and make sure appropriate action is taken. We

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have got a safety procedure in place at the moment and this time

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last week, the platform was evacuated and that is why we have

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not had risk to life since then. We are looking at the potential

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environmental risk. What sort of independent advice do you get on

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the sort of solutions that Total have come up with? They are looking

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at putting in a massive amount of mud. Do you have advised that said

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that it might not be best for the Environment? We have got a

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procedure in place at the moment. We have got people attached to the

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UK Government for climate change and energy and they are giving

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advice at the moment to baize in Aberdeen. If they thought they had

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a threat to the environment, a response team would be called and

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that would be a side from Total. We have got a mechanism. What would

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you think was an appropriate regime? Do you think you have to

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take the company's were freed on their assessment or should we have

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a rigorous assessment of what is happening independently? We have

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got lessons to learn from this episode. Particularly at the end of

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last summer. Transparency is very important. We have perhaps got off

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to a slow start in terms of putting information in the public domain.

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That was the view of the company last summer as well. They have got

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to have a contingency plan in place. They have to focus on the job in

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hand, to make people safe and prevent more damage to the

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environment. That is the focus for the next couple of days. They have

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to rely on information coming from the company offshore because we

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cannot get it ourselves. It has to be as transparent as possible.

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think it is all right, in fact that is not a fair way of putting it,

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but you have to accept what the company tells you? I am saying

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perhaps we do have to look at this independently. I want to discuss

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this and make sure we have got transparency from the first few

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seconds onwards. Because he would be uncomfortable with how this has

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developed? We have always got lessons to learn and transparency

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is very important. The obvious question is that if we have a post

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independent Scotland, what confidence can the public had that

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a UK government with economic strategy is looking at drilling

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revenues in the teacher? What confidence can they have that he

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would prioritise safety in the environment before that economic

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interest? -- future? We will look at the environment and grow the

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economy at the same time. We are looking at Natural Resources and

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oil and gas has got a long way to go. We have not looked at all of

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that so far. We do want to see development but of course we have

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to have a robust safety system in place to protect life, given the

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hundreds of thousands of people working in the North Sea and

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protect the environment. We want the best and safest regime anywhere

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in the world. What is your understanding of when this problem

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might be contained and switched off, as it were? Now the flame has

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extinguished, one of the bigger risk factors has been removed. We

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have got decisions which will be taken by the company. First,

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personnel will have to be put on the platform with a view to

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blocking the leakage. Then the relief well which could take up to

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six months. It has got to be done MSPs have endorsed the Scotland

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Bill, giving Holyrood the power to set the drinking and driving

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regulations. Northern Ireland are already reducing it and the

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Scottish government are keen to go the same way but it was rejected by

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Westminster last year. How low should it go? It happen very

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quickly. One minute I am standing on the pavement and then I am lying

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on the ground and I heard my daughter screaming. Her five-year

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old son was knocked down and killed along with two others by a driver

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high on drink and drugs eight years ago. It was like an episode of

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Casualty. I thought, who is going to shout cut? I realised it was

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real. My son was dying. Figures indicate that in 2009, more than

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900 casualties on the roads, 7% reported were down to drink drivers.

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14 % of deaths that year were fatalities. -- these types of this

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fallacies. -- fatalities. A review commissioned by the UK Government

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last year recommended reducing the test to 50 milligrams but this was

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rejected by ministers say no more money should be spent on

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enforcement. But the Scottish government wants to lower the limit.

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This bill could give them the opportunity to do just that.

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want to bring it down to 50. That sends out a clear message that

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drinking and driving is not acceptable and it will reduce the

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number of people seriously injured every year because of the problems.

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What does it mean in practice? It is difficult to say. With a 50

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milligram limit you might be able to drink a small glass of wine and

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a male could drink a larger glass but it depends on the individual

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and some campaigners say it should be 20 milligrams, almost a total

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One problem is that people don't know where they stand. It is

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impossible to know, without being tested, how much alcohol is in your

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blood. It depends on your sex, your weight and the rate of metabolism.

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Police agree it is better not to drink and drive atoll but this

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would be difficult to enforce. They support the 50 milligram limit but

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also want more powers to stop and test motorists. There are other

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measures we would support. There are measures in other countries and

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it is a piece of armoury that puts the fear into people being caught,

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and at the end of the day, that is what will deter people. There

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appears to be growing support for a 50 milligram limit in Scotland. The

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SNP party, the Lib Dems and Labour are in favour. But there is also

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concern that different laws across the UK could be confusing. If you

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have different limits across borders, people will have mixed

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messages about how much they can drink. There is already confusion

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about how much you can drink and this will only add to it.

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Michelle believes it could make a difference. I hope it would work

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and get further towards people being safer on the roads. And

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hopefully not drink-driving. little earlier, I spoke to Alex

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Johnstone. I asked why the Tories would not support a lower limit.

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could put in a lower limit and get prosecutions and have it enforced.

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But I believe people who are already two, three, four times

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above the limit are not being caught. The difference between the

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current limit and the proposed new limit is not where we will make the

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most to gain. Why cannot do both? We could do, but additional

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resources would be necessary for that. Would you support random

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breath testing? That issue is something we have not yet discussed

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at great length, but it is something we have to be aware of in

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the future and it is something which would be developed as a civil

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liberties argument by some political people. Would you be in

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favour or not? It is fair to say that random breath-testing is

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something which could only be exploited if it was acceptable to

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the broader community. Let's just clarify what your position is. You

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would prefer another approach to this but were the Scottish

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Government to come forward with an idea to get it to 50 comedy would

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support it? We would take the argument very seriously. What about

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reducing it to 20? And think the priority when you set a limit is to

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make sure you have a limit that can be properly policed and convictions

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can be obtained. If we set very low limits, we set the priority in a

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different area. For example, you might find the most productive use

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of the play's's time enforcing that limit would be to spend time in a

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:03:52.:03:54.

supermarket car-park on a Sunday morning. -- the police's time. The

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significant reduction in drink- driving could mean we take our eye

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of the ball. And you wouldn't see some difficulty in differences

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between the borders? It is not impossible that under the new

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devolved powers, we might see a different limit in Scotland, though

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I agree it could be tricky. Just on to the comments by Peter Cruddas,

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extremely embarrassing for the Tory government, when he makes it clear

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many are not in favour of the union and would be delighted if Scotland

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were independent? I think the SNP's hysteria is driving his home and we

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need to see Alex Salmond spend less of his time in London arguing with

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London politicians. What other possible message could you take

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from what he said? I think he was making comments that were of his

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own mind and they don't reflect the arguments taking place in Scotland

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today. But you have to concede it is very embarrassing for you?

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we have to see in future is the SNP bringing their arguments to

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Scotland and arguing against the majority of Scottish people who

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favour the continuation of the Union. So, on drink-driving, the

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Scottish Conservatives say may be. What about Labour. Their

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spokesperson joins me now. Thank you for coming in. Labour had been

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reluctant to reduce the limit of 50. Where did you stand on that? There

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is an opportunity here for us to take this forward in Scotland and

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there is no need for this to be seen, in some way, as undermining

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the relationship across the United Kingdom or the enforcement of

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different limits on different sides of the border. Remember, it is

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nearly seven years since Labour put through the legislation on smoking

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in public places which did for legislation in place from the rest

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of the United Kingdom, but not for long. It then went to the rest of

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the UK, and I think if we took the lead in this area, the rest of the

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country would follow. But was that not Labour's position in a Holyrood

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and that is why you opposed it? position is... You have changed

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opposition and you're being very positive about 50? Positive about

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50 but also our position has not changed in that an opposition has

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always been that we want to see progress towards 50 in Scotland and

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across the UK. So it is not about being out of step or chain in

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position. It is about saying, here is another opportunity for Scotland

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to take the lead. But given that people metabolise alcohol at

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different rates, why not by the bullet and take it down to 20?

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think this would be hard for road safety in Scotland. The limit has

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to be enforceable, realistic and remove the risk that people get

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charged with drink-driving when, in fact, the amount of dual they have

:07:18.:07:26.

consumed is a mute -- minute. -- the amount of alcohol. I think 50,

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as we have seen from the example, 50 means people know they should

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not drink before they drive but it also means people will not

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intentionally find themselves breaking the law when they have

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drunk alcohol on the previous day in a moderate quantity. In a word,

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if this comes before Holyrood, at 50, due well supported? Correct.

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Thank you. Now, what do Ian Rankin and JK Rowling have in common

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besides being best selling Scottish all this. Well, it seems they have

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access to a new source of creativity and enlightenment. We

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have been arrested Reading. This has long had the reputation of

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the Left Bank of the capital. The play's where writers rub shoulders

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together. Ian Rankin used to write here. JK Rowling used to stay down

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the road. It could be something in the water. According to this man,

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there is. A connection has been discovered between the water being

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P.H. 10 and this ancient Scottish spring. Looking at a map, I noticed

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this tiny village have the spring of passes, the legendary Springbok.

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If you follow the spring into the city, it goes all the way in and to

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a specific part of the city's water supply. To put the theory to the

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test, we went to Edinburgh's University. Sam Kelly teaches the

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Masters in creative writing. She set her students a test. One group

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would have a drink of PH10 tap water and the others, a well-known

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French water. It is pretty extraordinary. These groups are

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pretty mixed. On the one side there has been a massive leap in

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technical sophistication and also the ideas seem to be better, more

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complex, just better! Better writing. Overall, it is

:09:49.:09:54.

inexplicable. Would it surprise you to know that that came purely from

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drinking PH10 tap water? Yes! It would. We can now make it

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compulsory in all classes. And if you can tell the difference in the

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work of these novice riders, what about the professionals who have

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been Downing PH10 for decades? makes perfect sense to me. I have

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suspected it was some years and I am delighted the research has been

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done to prove this. There is a certain taste in this water, the

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P.H. 10 water, and it is difficult to describe. It is slightly papery,

:10:29.:10:37.

a slight taste of paper. And perhaps sometimes you get a whiff

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of something else as well. Rather different from the taste of water

:10:41.:10:45.

in the West of Scotland, which is very much more towards the whisky

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end of the spectrum. So there you are. If you want to be a best

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:11:00.:11:01.

seller here, your best get stuck into this.

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And now here's the lunchtime news, with Graham Stewart.

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Good afternoon. The Scottish Government's consultation on the

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independence referendum has been called into question after it

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emerged that the public could submit multiple responses and keep

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them anonymous. The SNP has had more than 10,000 replies to the

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process, which ends in May. But opposition parties say it may now

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:11:27.:11:29.

not be valid. It is clear that having a consultation process where

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you can put in Malta poor responses without any name or email address

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is not only open to abuse, it is designed for abuse. -- put in

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multi-sport response is. These have been considered by the Scottish

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Government as a process to the referendum in 2014 and the idea

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this has been rigged in any way it is an appalling accusation by the

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Labour Party. Meanwhile, the UK Government says

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the vast majority of responses to its consultation on how a

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referendum could work favour holding the ballot sooner rather

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than later. The Scottish Secretary, Michael Moore, is urging SNP

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ministers to speed up their proposed timetable of staging the

:12:10.:12:14.

ballot in the autumn of 2014. Every young person aged 16 to 19 in

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Scotland is guaranteed an offer of a place in education or training

:12:17.:12:20.

from today. The Scottish Government say they want young people

:12:20.:12:24.

struggling to find work to get the message that help is available. �30

:12:24.:12:34.
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million has been invested in the Most places will have a dry

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afternoon but it turns increasingly cloudy, and by the middle of the

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area -- of the afternoon, it is just dumb freeze getting some

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brightness. The cloud will produce bits and pieces of rain. Tonbridge

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us this afternoon ranging from a cool six degrees in the Shetlands

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to 13 in the best of the sunshine in the East, with winds main

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delight. That is it for now. Now back to

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In a moment, we will be discussing big events in politics. First, the

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Week in 60 seconds. A typical week for French and oil

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company Total as Gas continued to leak from its Elgin platform in the

:13:31.:13:34.

North Sea. Alex Salmond said the seriousness of the incident must

:13:34.:13:38.

not be underestimated. We will continue to resist and everywhere

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we can and they are also resisting in total -- on total transparency.

:13:44.:13:49.

A second inquiry into the death of Alex you found that fire commanders

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did not act quickly enough to savour.

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The council election ballot is open. Elections are on 3rd May.

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Two men have been accused of sending parcel bombs to the Celtic

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manager Neil Lennon. They were also accused of sending them to a Labour

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NS -- MSP. Experts at a number as soon tell

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the world that next week is the 36 our window for the panders to mate

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successfully. So, this coming week, Al Government

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takes a recess and council elections begin. -- our government.

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My guests now on Lorraine Davidson and a professor from Glasgow

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University. What did you make of the referendum interaction? Did you

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think the votes were rigged? The consultation? That is a big word

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and I think one of the issues is, is this in keeping with previous

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consultations? But beyond that is the case that these are constructed

:15:08.:15:12.

leaks by UK and Scottish Governments. We are in the process

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of the debate about Wendy referendum should be held and what

:15:16.:15:23.

the consultation might say. -- when the referendum. It is playing

:15:23.:15:26.

politics with the consultation process, which is drawing on people

:15:26.:15:30.

who are not politicians to respond to it, so it is best to wait and

:15:30.:15:34.

see what the consultation throws up. What do you think it would say

:15:34.:15:37.

about public confidence in the prisons, whoever holds the

:15:38.:15:47.
:15:48.:15:51.

The consultations are held in different ways. Where does this

:15:51.:15:57.

leave us, do you think? It does not help if people think Alex Salmond

:15:57.:16:02.

can send in 3000 responses from his party and nobody will realise. That

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cannot happen because it would be independently verified. We need to

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look at that before the vote itself when the opposition is saying, is

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the question fetch? Also, I have never met shy and retiring

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nationalists. -- is the question reasonable? I am sure people would

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be happy to response to the consultation. In my experience, the

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Unionists are perhaps scared, that business people do not want to put

:16:36.:16:41.

their name to things and put their head above the parapet. If the

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Government said they would not take on board any anonymous admissions,

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I think it would help politically as well. They are not anonymous

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admissions. Would that tidy up things a bit? We have to look at

:16:56.:17:01.

what the Government has done before. We can look at what Peter Cruddas

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has said. What do we think the impact will be in terms of

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discussions, if they win the referendum? If we have discussions

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with the other team saying that we do not really want it anyway, what

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have we got? That is quite a big question. I think the issue is is

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Peter Cruddas right? To some extent, he is right. There are some people

:17:31.:17:36.

in Westminster that would really like to be shot of Scotland. That

:17:36.:17:42.

opinion certainly exists. But as to if it will impact on the process,

:17:42.:17:46.

we will find out because if we get to that stage, we will have an

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awful lot of noise in the London based media about how be

:17:53.:17:57.

discussions should be going and we will probably have a split in the

:17:57.:18:03.

coalition if it is still here at that time. This is one of the ways

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in which the landscape is shifting ahead of the vote, like the

:18:07.:18:14.

discussion about consultations. we'd look at it a little bit, it is

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embarrassing for the Tories, isn't it? It undermines David Cameron

:18:19.:18:23.

spending time in Scotland and saying that he really cares about

:18:23.:18:29.

Scotland. But Peter Cruddas is a man that if we are honest, nobody

:18:29.:18:34.

knew who he was. What we know about him now is that he is a bit of an

:18:34.:18:40.

idiot. He is articulating a strand of opinion which does exist in the

:18:40.:18:44.

Tory party in England but it is not an opinion reflected in any way by

:18:44.:18:51.

David Cameron and mainstream Tories. It is embarrassing and he will

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think it was the last thing he needed. But it is a two day wander

:18:55.:19:03.

and nothing else. We are almost out of time. Which councils will you be

:19:03.:19:09.

watching in the council elections with the greatest interest? Last

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Tape. Can beat Labour Party hang on? And Edinburgh, where it the SNP

:19:15.:19:18.

holds up it will still be damaged by the drop in the Liberal

:19:18.:19:28.

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