13/05/2012 Sunday Politics Scotland


13/05/2012

Andrew Neil and Isabel Fraser with the latest political news, interviews and debate. Andrew is joined by the communities secretary Eric Pickles to discuss growth and regulation.


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Fake Good morning. From the rose garden to a tractor factory. The

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Prime Minister promises a new focus on the economy but will the

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relaunch of the Queen's Speech make a difference? Eric Pickles joins us

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for the Sunday interview. Is there an alternative blueprint

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that would get the economy moving again? The two big economic ideas

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of the age or head-to-head. The pressure is on Jeremy Hunt and

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the Tory party after Rebekah Brooks appeared at the Leveson Inquiry.

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She revealed a cosy relationship between new Labour and News

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International. If we bring you the latest on the

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deal by a Rangers football club. Air accident publish their findings

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 65 seconds

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want helicopters stitching. The body of another child was found

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The body of another child was found at a late on Saturday night.

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Workers have been bent over in tears. You do not see that very

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 65 seconds

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often. We are feeling for the We have a crater in the economy.

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There is a great big hole as a result of the a financial crisis.

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It is nothing to do with government. Deprive right -- the private

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finance sector crashed and the government had to take on the

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liabilities. The government is saying it is nothing to do with

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them. It is the equivalent of appeasement. They are sitting there,

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leaving this great creator of unemployment, inactivity. How would

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you fill that hole? The fact is that the business sector does not

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have confidence. They are afraid, they can see the economy

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contracting. Public investment. big programme of public investment.

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In housing and also in... What is wrong with that? It goes to what

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Liam Fox said in the package. Did the Labour government not spend

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enough? We have tested this policy to destruction. Austerity, really

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means living within your means, balancing the books. Having a

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stable environment helps you to make reforms are to help the

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business economy. I think that Eric Pickles was rather feeble in what

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the coalition has damn to help this does. -- has done. The reason the

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collision cannot do anything is because it is paralysed by ideology.

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And you are repeating that. Seeing we have to balance the books.

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not know about years, but the government has already borrowed a

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trillion pounds. Under current spending plans, that will rise to

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1.5 trillion bike 2016. And you want to borrow even more? Yes. The

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government is not like you. You cannot go to the Bank of England,

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but the government can. And when the government... When you spend,

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you do not get money back again. When the government spends, it get

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tax revenues. This is fantasy. we do? -- what would you do? I what

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the Government to do much more on red tape. Irrelevant. It is not

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irrelevant. The costs faced by the start-up of a new accompany are

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extremely high. Should it be easier to fire people? Yes. That is

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austerity. You would have more people working. We have the lowest

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taxes across the whole of OECD. We pay much lower unemployment benefit.

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We have much less protection for our workers. If you look at what

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Germany has done over the last 10 years, it has liberalised its

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employment laws enormously. It allows companies to take on people

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as consultants for four years, no questions asked, no legal

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requirements. Germany went down a road of liberalisation.

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deregulated the labour market. as much as we have done. It is much

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more expensive to hire a German worker, the taxes that they pay and

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are paid on them, than a British worker. I do not think you are

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offering much more than blood, sweat and tears. My we would get

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colossal numbers of unemployed young people into work. -- a my

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method. You want to act on the demand side, increased demand. You

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are acting on the supply side to try to make the supply side more

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efficient. Why don't you get together and do both? We do not

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need to do the supply side. We could improve our productivity in

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Wareham best -- if we invested more in our businesses. There is already

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a fiscal stimulus. We will add another �500 billion to the

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national debt. Why do we not try to solve the problem from the other

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Good morning and welcome to Sunday Politics Scotland. Coming up on the

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programme. At last, it is done. Rangers have

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agreed a deal with the former Sheffield United Chief Executive

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Charles Green. We will be live in Aberdeen as the

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AAIB initial investigation into Thursday's helicopter ditching

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finds a failure occurred in the main gear box.

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And as coalition deals are struck across local councils, we ask, can

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you shake hands and hold your nose at the same time?

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A trip to Quebec, a Canadian province that has played the

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referendum game before. And finally, a plea to recognise

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the Scottish veterans who braved On the day of the final Rangers

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match of the season, the former Sheffield United chief-executive

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Charles Green has come to an arrangement with which he hopes to

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buy the team. There has been a press conference this morning. What

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do we know this morning? Charles Green is fronting the

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consortium that has made a bed that has been accepted to purchase

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Rangers. The administrators are saying that this is a vocal ball

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agreement to buy the club. He will try it a CVA initially to try to

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bring the club out of administration. They will try to

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appease their debts owed to HMRC and Ticketus. If that does not

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succeed, a newco company will be set up, owned by Charles Green.

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That will kick them if a CVA is not accepted by creditors. But that CVA

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is their preferred option. If this goes ahead, what does it

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mean in terms of the sort of team at Rangers will be able to put up?

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It is very difficult to predict that until we see the full details

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of what Charles Green is proposing. He did say that not every decision

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that will be taken will be a comfortable one, or an easy one.

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That suggests there will be decisions taken under his ownership,

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under the consortium. It is difficult to predict what it means

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in terms of the team that they might be able to put on the park

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next season. It is a reasonable to assume that it will be a

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streamlined squad that will not be able to pay the sort of wages and

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type of players that have been brought it to Ibrox in the past.

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But a lot remains to be decided. Here is our economic commentator.

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Do you think it is a done deal? Yesterday, Charles Green was

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talking about himself as the new preferred bidder for the club. From

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what I have heard so far, there are 20 different strands of money going

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into the pot from different families and groups. Whether that

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is a done deal or not, and will be delivered to the administrators,

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remains to be seen. This CVA, whether or not it goes

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ahead, how will it work in practice?

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There are two choices. The company a voluntary arrangement. That is an

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arrangement an insolvent company has with his creditors. It has to

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get their agreement. That is the arrangement that will come together.

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To put some kind of figure on how much they will get out of the pot

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of money. We do not know what the liabilities are yet because we have

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not had the result of the big tax cases that are still outstanding.

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We do not actually know what the extent of the debt is and what this

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asset that is being created to pay it off, how big it will be. If HMRC

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does not say yes to as the -- does not say yes to this CVA, Rangers

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will have to be liquidated and a new Company will be created. The

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club will come ten-year, but the decks and will be left behind in

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the old company. -- debts. We do not know the full extent of

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the debt. What would happen to them under the new company arrangement?

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The creditors would get what ever they could out of the liquidated

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old company. That would depend what assets were left in the liquidated

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old company. HMRC have not been comfortable

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about that in the past. The track record of HMRC in dealing

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with the sort of CVAs, they have tended lot to be players in that

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CVAs. ---10 did not have to be. -- tended not to be. I know a lot of

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lawyers and accountants who have a lot of expertise in this area, and

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all of them have said to me that it will never go to CVA, it will end

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up in liquidation. Whether that is the case or not, it is not nice for

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the Rangers supporter, the like to have the heritage and the history,

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but in terms of where we are this morning, we are just at the

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beginning of another part of the journey. We still have to find the

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outcome of it. Thank you very much indeed.

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An initial investigation into Thursday's helicopter are ditching

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in the North Sea has found that a failure occurred in the function of

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the main gearbox. The 14 people on board escaped after the pilot

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carried out a textbook controlled landing. There have been

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developments at this morning. Yes, a lot of development at this

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morning. The air accident investigation branch had issued a

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special bulletin this morning. This often takes in weeks or months, but

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they have done that within a few days. It follows the ditching last

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week of this helicopter about 30 miles off the coast of Aberdeen.

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What they have found is a 360 degree crack around the vertical

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shaft of the media box. That was near a previous Weld, a

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manufacturing world. That caused interference to the oil supply to

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the gearbox. A morning alight went on and the crew immediately took

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action and ditched the helicopter. This is a serious finding for the

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entire flight. They honours have announced that other helicopters

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have been grounded. They have also a grounded -- are grounded another

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360 what happens from now on to establish what the problem was and

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when the fleet may be flying again? We were expecting to be attending a

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press conference this morning. That was called off. The report was

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expected last night but we heard there were technical difficulties.

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Bond will be at -- outlining what they will do in detail. I suspect

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they will go round the entire fleet. Deraa two other helicopter

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companies operating out of Aberdeen. They have not taking any action yet.

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They have found no problems so far. There could be a safety directive

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given at some point which may result in that. We're not expecting

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that at the moment. We will hear later on this afternoon. There are

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big implications here from the thousands of workers.

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A week on and wheeler-dealing in council chambers across the country

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is still going on. We have seen unexpected alliances but what is

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behind the collisions? -- collisions.

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Labour won overall control in Glasgow and three other areas. The

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same is true for the SNP in Dundee and Angus where it has formed a

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majority administrations. In a hung councils, there are all sorts of

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wonderful alliances. Take a look at Aberdeenshire. It has all types of

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different councillors in charge. In the Highlands, it is similar. In

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eastern Martin Show, there is a Labour, Lib Dem, Tory deal. While

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an egg and borough, Labour-run BSN p have joined forces, in some

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places, it looks like both parties have gone out of their way to

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freeze the other lot out of power - - Edinburgh Mac. In Stirling,

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Labour-run the Conservatives have a power-sharing pact in what had been

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an SNP run council. There is a tendency of the Labour Party to

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going to coalition with the Tories. I am not sure how you Scotland will

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see a repeat of collisions. I think that is white people vote Labour.

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Labour says it is working with friends and four was across the

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political spectrum. A There is an issue of how they have overstated

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how well they're doing. You can put a big question mark over the

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momentum. We have made steady progress, we have reconnected with

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the electorate. Boss Labour-run BSN peak made election gains. In terms

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of the larger number of councillors which the SNP achieved, the large

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number again that we achieved. We have a councillor in virtually

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every ward across this country. If you want to keep celebrating

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Stallingborough party defeats, that is fine by the SNP. Her BSN p now

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has a national army of counsellors likely to be tasked with winning

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the independence referendum and the ward they represent. By definition,

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pro-union parties of councillors in all parts of Scotland 2. They could

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deploy them as local leaders in their campaign to keep Scotland as

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part of the UK. With me, Anas Sarwar and for the

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SNP, Kenneth Gibson. The alliance in Edinburgh, a good idea? I don't

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see why not. It seems sensible for both of them to work together for

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the good of the city. We would like to have seen more such alliances.

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If you look at what has happened, where the run all Labour or

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Conservative councillors, Labour have a coalition in the eight of

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those areas. Labour seem to prefer to work with conservative. I think

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he is rattled because the SNP are beatable and Alex Salmond is not

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invincible. You have seen across the country, the Labour Party

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working constructively with parties of all political lines. To that is

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why use all Labour, SNP packed. You have seen other administrations. We

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are not focusing around what positions people are in, but where

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we can deliver Labour Party values. At the moment, we have 13 Labour-

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led councils compared to eight SNP councils. He were not simply having

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Unionist alliances to block out the SNP? If you take the example of

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Edinburgh, we have constructively worked with the SNP to form an

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administration. We work with whatever party we need to work

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within the best interests of that city. Some council leaders were

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saying, SNP leaders, there is little in terms of social policy

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between Labour and get the SNP. It made sense to work together. Why do

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you think it has not happened? think it is the issue of Unionism.

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Him the election literature, it was about stopping Tory cuts but they

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have dealt with the Tories. I must take issue with what he has said

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about the election result. We made two gains -- 62 games which

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extended the Leeds -- lead across the country. If that is Labour

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stalling her momentum, we could do with more days like that. With all

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the massive cuts coming down the line, you do not want to be the one

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in control of the council -- councils? The reason the Labour --

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labour wants to have councillors in charge for... Who you are in

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coalition with the representatives... The reality of

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the electoral system is that you must work with political parties to

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form administrations. He gives the example of Stirling. It is part of

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that deal we are delivering the range for workers in Stirling.

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we cut through the layers, the pragmatic thing is that you're

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going to have to deliver deals with people, you were blaming the Tories

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for cuts, but these will be your partners in Council. Take the

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example of the last Scottish Parliament. The SNP were seeing

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Wright late that we're there -- that we were getting cuts. Through

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that parliamentary term, they are playing double games here. This is

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not a conspiracy. We fought for local communities up and down the

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country. The reason the SNP is negative is that they realise the

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momentum has stalled. The realised the Labour Party is taking a

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positive step. It is a matter of fact that when it went through in

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Holyrood, you relied on the Tories to get that through. Everyone does

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those deals. That is not true. The still voted against it. But reverse

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a lot of the policies, council tax freeze, small business baldness.

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They have down -- now done a second U-turn. We have not had any

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agreements with the Conservatives. Sometimes, it seems poisonous. That

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filters down to the detriment of local democracy. Both it is the

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fact that Labour feel they have used up their birthright. If we do

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not feel as bad about them as they seem to feel about us. I have been

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in the SNP 33 years. It is not personal. Thank you.

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Colebeck the province of Canada which held at second referendum in

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1995. They had a federal government. The Quebec nationalists came close

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A night in Canada, the most popular show in Candida. We have a diverse

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country. The game brings us together. I grew up, Irish Catholic,

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he is Jewish. We have these other walks of life. When you get too

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cocky, it is all forgotten. Ottawa, the heart of federal politics. He

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and the most recent elections, the Tories won a large majority. In

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Quebec, the supported the centre- left. But won the majority in the

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province. It is a partnership. It is the case between what a wire and

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all the provinces. We have our debates and agreements. Politics

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and can a Dutch is still dominated by public spending cuts. Quebec

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separatist Slav state in the federal elections last year. In the

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1990s, they held power in Quebec. For the nearly one their referendum

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on sovereignty. If the TV screen had red and blue on the bottom and

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it was wavering all night. In 1995, we had a federal government very

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like the British government now. It was concerned with cuts, changing

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the symbols of Canada. Quebec nationalists when arguing they were

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the ones who were standing up for the collectivist, more left-wing

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view of the company -- country. home rule with independence beat

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Tory rule from Westminster any time and any day.

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Canadian federal politicians warned it does not make sense to vote.

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you bought for your government, and to elect a government, with a close

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margin, it is not the end of the world because four years later, you

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will water again. If you destroy the country, it is for yourself and

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the next generation. Does my Quebec experience give us a taste of what

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is to come and lessons for nationalists and Unionists parties?

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When the welfare state is reduced, when social programmes are under

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threat, as we saw in Canada, that can offer opportunities for those

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campaigning for constitutional change to make the independence

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project seem attractive. Potentially, the most difficult

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After the referendum, the federal government adopted a lot

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recognising Quebec as a distinct society. -- a law. A new generation

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of Quebecois have a strong sense of identity. I feel more Quebecois

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than comedian. -- Canadian. But I am still from Canada. My country

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for me is not cannot up but Quebec. -- not Canada. A do-nothing

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independence will change anything. But for Canadians, the referendum

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had a lasting impact. No one wants it to lose the third referendum ll.

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I think we will win the third one. Politics it may still divide them,

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We are now joined live from Ottawa by the political correspondent for

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the Vancouver Sun, Peter O'Neil. What in Canada did you find was the

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impact of what was perceived to be an imposed austerity programme on

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the independence debate? It was interesting. My first day in Quebec

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when I was covering the referendum, I arrived at their Quebecois bus.

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There was austerity, but not exactly a feast. -- exactly Greece.

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The bus was covered in multi- coloured signs. There was a huge

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contrast to the rest of the debate. They were saying we can escape this

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austerity, which was not exactly honest but effective. He is the

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lesson that the campaign, its tone and message, is critically

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important? It is critically important if you are unprepared and

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underestimate your opposition. That is what the federalist forces were

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guilty of. They were not united and assumed they would lose. They made

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some huge mistakes in terms of exaggerating the dangers. The went

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too far with that. Campaigns matter. But I have to say that I cannot

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imagine Alex Salmond could replicate the leadership of their

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Quebecois. It was a Christ-like resurrection that galvanised of the

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population. What are the key messages if you look at the

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Canadian experience for both sides embers? The key message for the

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unionists would be clarity. They have to spell out exactly what this

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means, especially the negatives of it. But it would be dangerous to

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frighten people. It went on in Canada. In Quebec, are a very

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respected finance minister gave a speech and said that one-third of

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people in Quebec would lose their jobs. People assumed he was

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exaggerating and everything he said then was have ridiculed. They have

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to be a sober and United. On the SNP side, you are dealing with a

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sensible people, it is not as emotional as in Quebec. They have

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to be statesmanlike, project an idea of strong administration.

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Scotland tomorrow, we are expecting it and an announcement -- expecting

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an announcement on minimum pricing for alcohol. In Canada, you have

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had this for years, does it work? For the last four years, I have

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just come back from Paris, I used to come over to the United Kingdom

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and I have to say that you really do have a problem in the United

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Kingdom in terms of social drinking and binge drinking. This is one

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component of it. We saw with smoking, when the government raised

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the taxes on smoking, people stopped. We are used to this in

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Canada. If you have a social drinking problem, and you can go to

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the liquor store and get cheap wine, that will get it worse. Thank you

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for joining us this morning. And now here's the lunchtime news with

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Andrew Kerr. Good afternoon. The former Sheffield United chief

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executive Charles Green has agreed a deal to buy Rangers. It was

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announced at the club's training base at Murray Park. Mr Green wants

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to form a Company Voluntary Arrangement and he's backed with

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finance from Singapore businessmen. More helicopter flights have been

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grounded after a helicopter ditched in the North Sea. The Super Puma

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came down last Thursday. An interim report discovered a crack in the

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main gearbox was to blame. The operators had already suspended

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flights of the same type of aircraft.

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Two men have died after an incident involving a microlight plane on a

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mountain range in Crianlarich. It is understood the plane went down

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near the summit of Ben More in Good afternoon. Some very wet and

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windy weather coming our way. Difficult driving conditions as

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well. That rain is already affecting much of western Scotland.

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Heavy in the north-west, Argyll, extending eastwards. Temperatures

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up to 12 or 13 Celsius at best. But feeling colder him that wind. Our

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Winston Churchill called it the worst journey in the world, the

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North Atlantic convoys would to a vital supplies to Soviet allies in

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the Second World War. The men is shared out of Scottish Power was to

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face you bought and air attacks on freezing says. More than 3000 men

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were killed. The survivors have been denied the official mark of

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recognition and respect, and dedicated campaign medal. The

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Scottish government is among those who feel this is unacceptable. In

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the studio with me is Keith Brown MSP, the Veterans Minister.

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What are you saying to the government about this? The summer

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months ago, I wrote to the Government asking them to proceed

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as quickly as possible with this. These young men had a very

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dangerous mission. By and large, they were not trained in military

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warfare. The under to go the most dangerous of missions. Had they not

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done so, it could have changed the whole outcome of the war. For

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Winston Churchill to recognise their value, rethink that the

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current Tory government should be recognising them as well.

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offence of it was the comment from one of the defence ministers that

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they could have the Atlantic Star? That was offensive to the veterans.

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You cannot compare these extremely brave... He subsequently apologised.

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They are extremely a brave people and there are very few of them left.

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Sometime a goal in Edinburgh, there was a medals ceremony by the

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Russian government for these men. A lot of them were very young men at

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the time, even ones at the boats were going out, they still kept

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going. They knew what they were sailing into. The Germans very

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quickly twigged to what was going on. They made it a very hazardous

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trip. These men were essentially civilians, not trained to do this.

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But be made sure that supplies got through to Murmansk and Archangel,

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it was extremely important. We will give you more news on that campaign.

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Andrew Neil and Isabel Fraser with the latest political news, interviews and debate. Andrew is joined by the communities secretary Eric Pickles to discuss growth and regulation, plus he speaks to the Labour MP, Chris Bryant about the latest from the Leveson Inquiry and hears how two leading economists would get Britain's economy growing.


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