20/05/2012 Sunday Politics Scotland


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Good afternoon and welcome to the Sunday politics. Our top story


called a blind agreement to promote jobs and growth and keep a Greece


Andy Euro zone. Was anything decided by D G eight which will


make the slightest difference? �1,200 per year and rising. What


will the Government do about household fuel bills? The police


federation accuses the Theresa May of been on the precipice of


destroying the police service. The RAF's toxic legacy in Scotland.


First, radioactive contamination, now we discover concerns about


chemical weapons dumped on public land. And we are live in Washington


to assess the potential fall-out from the Euro zone crisis and what


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Air is a complete red herring. You're talking about fairness, yet


some officers will lose 30% up their spending power. A wiry been


treated differently? -- why are we? These reforms do not change the


overall pay bill. It is a system recognising that officers doing the


most important jobs are paid accordingly. The system right now


increases pay every year regardless of skills.


Even if these reforms are implemented in full will the police


still not have one of the best deals on pay and pensions?


You have to look at their job but we do.


But is that true? Or yes, but we are astonished at the low priority.


Social services and education have been hit as well and we're having


to pick up the pieces. Public safety is being put at risk. That


is the bottom line. That is not true. You will continue


to earn 15% more than other emergency services. An average of


two-and-a-half �1,000 pair here. -- �2,500 pair here.


People will be worried that you are cutting the numbers.


The question is what is happening on the frontline. All the parties


admit that we have to make savings and that numbers would go down. But


at the moment we have 6,000 officers on restricted duties, the


number doubling in the last eight years.


I need to make a final point that the Government knows it has been


caught out. Overseas Development has been increased by 34%, why are


you putting British public safety at risk?


We have to leave at there. What about as bows?


We will replace the system with a better one that enables injunctions


to be obtained earlier. Better tools for the police.


Things like that have been lost because of what is going on


elsewhere. Welcome to Sunday politics Scotland.


Coming up: chemical weapons and radioactive waste. Has the public


been kept in the dark about radiation at an RAF Kinloss. What


will the effect of the Euro zone crisis be when it washes up in


Scotland? And affordable housing shortages put an end to the


purchasing of council houses introduced by Margaret Thatcher.


But is it about to make a comeback? And an alternative treatment for


alcoholics from Canada. It is a difficult concept to wrap


your brain around. What is going on with care in our


communities? And well the torch relay get you excited about the


Documents obtained by BBC Scotland show that the authorities knew that


the public could be at risk from chemical weapons buried near the


RAF base at Kinross. It is already the focus of an investigation by


the Scottish Environment Agency. Our Environment Correspondent has


been investigating and joins me now. You reported the risk of


radioactive contamination outside the base. That is now being


investigated. Yet you have discovered another toxic legacy.


Yes, potential radioactive contamination inside and outside


the base is under investigation but we can also reveal that the


authorities at the base knew about the dangers posed by chemical


weapons on public land. We have obtained a land quality assessment


dating back to 2004. It was carried out ahead of construction more for


a new water treatment project. It The land quality assessment goes on


to say that the authorities at Kinross believe there was a


potential for radioactive contamination to be present in the


ground and warns any personnel involved in the investigation work


that it had the potential to put them at risk. I have been told that


staff War nuclear, chemical, and biological protection suits.


Clearly the threat was taken This mustard agent could be buried


Yes, a colourless, or Islay agent which creates Severe Barnes and


destroys body tissue. -- severe burns. It can release active


sulphur mustard. It is worth noting that the UK abandoned its offensive


chemical weapons programmes in 1956. In 2004, based test pits where up


duck and there was no traces of contamination found - was that


conclusive? No trace of chemical weapons was


bound but the authors of the report believe that anomalies were not


investigated and admits that in some areas it was not possible to


conduct the geophysical Survey, as they called it. That statement, I


suspect, will not reassure the public. It is worth pointing out


there we have been told that material contaminated with radium


was removed from the site during the work in 2004.


There is legitimate public interest here of - how forthcoming have the


MoD been? They are released a statement


Two key questions remain. How do management systems remain in place


if land is sold and the new owners are unaware of potential dangers?


And where the relevant authorities in Scotland informed of the


situation at the base by the Ministry of Defence back in 2004?


The Scottish Government has already written to the Ministry of Defence


demanding full disclosure. Pressure is mounting on the ministry to


release more information about potential environmental threats at


base is not just Team Scotland but across the United Kingdom. -- bases


not just here in Scotland. I have joined now by a representative of


the defence select committee at Westminster. How does to commit --


how much does the committee know about what is going on?


We know and absolutely nothing about these deeply worrying


revelations. There is an arrogance about the Ministry of Defence that


is not new but must be tackled once and for all.


A report came out in 1958 informing the Government Act that time that


there was a problem with radium in the ground and that records must be


kept and passed on to subsequent landowners, do you think there is a


due diligence as you or do you think the Ministry of Defence has


been an act of like obstructive? There is a culture in the Ministry


of Defence of withholding information from the public and


successive governments. That must end.


Issue of concern about potential liability? -- as you're?


There is a culture, that somehow the Ministry of Defence knows


better than its regulators. We need an option statement from the


Government that spells out who knew what and when. When did they inform


the Scottish regulators? When did gain formal authorities? When did


the informed Scottish ministers? That must be done as soon as


possible. What kind of confidence can the


public have given how this has been handled so far?


The only way trust can be restored as if the Ministry of Defence gets


in front of this and spells out what it believes are the


liabilities on the site and the realistic health risks. Rather than


the BBC doing the job for them of digging up information.


You mention the BBC, could Parliament have been more vigilant


here? With the best will in the world


Committee members were not around when the 1958 reports were coming


out. It is not practical for ministers and politicians to


perform that level of due diligence. The Ministry of Defence has a


culture of secrecy and that must end.


The G8 summit ended with apparently conflicting objectives. The


Americans call for growth whilst German said that austerity measures


must remain in place. How safe can you be from the fall-out? One of


the jewels in the crown of the Scottish tourist industry here on


the Aberdeen coast. It may be the weather for these fellows but last


year 72,000 people visited. They came from all over Europe,


everywhere, really. If the euro currency continues to


devalue that is good news for foreign holidaymakers who will get


more bang from the account. But the downside of a strong, expensive


pound, is that visitors are put off coming here from Europe. To this


spend an estimated �4 billion in Scotland every year. -- to wrists.


It would not just be this industry which would be affected by the Euro


zone crisis, exports would also suffer. Scottish salmon has a


lucrative market in Europe. The whisky industry might fare better,


it has a huge market outside the euro-zone. Oil and gas is also a


global business. But a dip in oil prices is being put down to


concerns about a drop in demand for -- from Europe. Perhaps the biggest


danger for the United Kingdom and Scottish economy as a volatility.


Uncertainty in the markets is always expensive.


Barry Porter has got a very early from Washington to join us. We are


outside the euro, but how concerned There are two scenarios. One is


that the Greeks remain inside the euro. Even with that scenario, the


pressure is on the euro, as your correspondent said, and it will


make it a fairly depressed currency. It lowered demand in the UK and in


Scotland in particular. There is then the possibility the Greeks are


forced out of the euro and then the situation will become worse. That


will remove uncertainty about the future of the euro and Greece but


it transfers the uncertainty to the situations in Spain and Portugal


and so on. Under either scenario, I think the prospects are for a rough


period ahead. Which areas in Scotland are most vulnerable?


are obviously some that are more are linked into the value of the


currency and those are issues like to Islam -- tourism, and that will


discourage visitors to Spain, Portugal and other areas like that.


The food industry is also vulnerable. I would have a more


optimistic view on two sectors. First of all, even though the dip


in a while prices will not have helped the oil export industry, and


the long term nobody sees oil prices dropping. Any kind of


international incident relating to the Middle East can quickly reverse


any decline like we have seen in the last few weeks. The oil


industry is not likely to be particularly badly affected. The


Scottish financial sector remains in a better shape than its


counterparts in Europe to handle the a repercussions of further


uncertainty and problems within the euro. Given that the G8 does not


seem to have come up with anything constructive other than President


Obama saying there should be growth and Angela Merkel saying we have to


stick to plans to cut the deficit, do you think the Greeks have to


accept the package they have been offered or do you think Germany and


others have to rethink what is happening? This is a very difficult


issue. I think the only two things that economists generally would


broadly agree on are the following. First, everyone realises that the


debt cannot go on and the way that it is. The issue is how quickly you


can really cut it back. Even an institution like my former employer,


the IMF, even their saying one needs to be restrained about how


fast you try to cut back. I think that has been one dimension on


which everyone can now except that there needs to be some moderation


otherwise there really is a risk of a self-defeating contraction of the


economy, because there is insufficient demand. The second


thing people can understand is that the real tragedy of this increase


in debt is that this was not a debt that was increased as a result of


productive investment but as a result of the misbehaviour of banks


over a period of time. The more that one can now find some means


the public spending to come up with the infrastructure investments and


things of that nature, the better it is going to be. That is probably


a message that there will be some agreement on it even between


President Obama and Angela Merkel. They have to both cut the deficit


but not too quickly. At the same time, you have to stimulate their


economies which has done quite successfully in the United States


to supply it employment and keep the economy so regenerating. What


would be you're the view of the Westminster government, are the


cutting back to fast and too much? That is a difficult question to


answer but I would put it this way. It was obviously a setback for the


present government when the economy appeared to head back into


recession. I would think if there were a further quarter of negative


growth or even zero growth, then the pressures will start to mount


to review simply the rate at which this fiscal consolidation is taking


place. No one doubts that fiscal consolidation is necessary, that is


indisputable. There are some real structural problems that need to be


addressed in the UK economy on this basis. I think there may be some


greater pressure towards the end of this year if the economy does not


show signs of revival over the next few months. To get back to the euro


crisis, how helpful word David Cameron's comets that the eurozone


had to make-up or break-up at this stage? -- comets. There is a real


fundamental problem and an economy like Greece and I can understand


his remarks. The truth is that economy is not productive at


present wage rates and that the present exchange rate. If you're


not able to change this and Greece remains within the euro, then you


have no choice but to go through a long protracted period of wage


restraint. Whether that can be handled politically and pieces are


very difficult question. -- in Greece.


Could the right to buy, a key and highly controversial housing policy


of the Thatcher era, be making a come back in East Lothian. The new


Conservative and Labour coalition have agreed what they call a


modernised right to buy .The previous SNP and Liberal Democrat


administration didn't want anything to do with it.


Owning your own home was at the centre of Margaret thatcher's


social revolution. It is now 27 years since she travelled here to


celebrate the millionth house sale under the right-to-buy scheme which


gave people the opportunity to purchase their council houses at a


low cost. This woman rents a house from the council but she says she's


one of the lucky ones. The right- to-buy let it East Lothian's


housing stock being have leading to pressurised waiting lists. Had it


been a private let as friends of mine have had to do, it would have


been so expensive I could not have afforded it. This is my fear, that


what will happen is, with more and more privatisation, they are going


to cherry-pick the people that make the most money and the poor and


vulnerable will not have a home at all. The modernised right-to-buy


was abolished in the 2010 Housing Act. One year later, East Lothian


was canst -- granted pressurised area status. The Conservatives


pledged to reverse that in their manifesto. If you're a council


tenant and have the chance to buy your home, you can buy it at a far


lower cost than on the open market. It is relatively affordable for a


lot of people. The council banks their money for a house and an --


and then reinvest that very speedily. Housing became a


predominant issue during the election campaign with the SNP


campaigning on the record of housebuilding helped by �4.4


million from the Scottish government. We had a concern. There


was no houses built in the previous five years of the previous and


penetration. Reassurance right-to- buy is the issue of losing house


has just built. -- previous administration. The new Labour and


Conservative Coalition is calling for more Scottish government help


to allow it to access affordable land to build more homes and help


kick-start the local economy. available land in East Lothian is


under the control of major Housing builders who are suffering under


the financial climate. If the Government was prepared to


reintroduce the community land that are any measure where councils


could get access to additional land, that would be a huge help. East


Lothian has already announced it will not been meeting the 2012


homelessness target and the issue is making front-page news. Homeless


this has increased considerably over the last 10 years. There has


been a 65% increase in the number of homelessness applications to the


council over the last decade. There have been on average 2100


applications for homelessness to the local authority on average each


year. It boosting the availability of affordable housing is a key


priority for the new council. that is done remains to be seen.


With me in Glasgow is the housing and transport minister, MSP Keith


Brown. And for Scottish Labour, their housing spokesperson, Elaine


Murray MSP. Can we be clear about Labour's


policy is on the right to buy? 2010 at the not abolish the


modernised right-to-buy. It abolished it for certain categories,


new tenants, new builds. The people who already had the modernised


right-to-buy continue to have it. East Lothian had applied for


privileged status which allowed them to suspend the modernised


right-to-buy for a period of time. They're talking about a revolting


that suspension. In the East Lothian, only 18 houses were sold


under the modernised right-to-buy. Most houses have been sold under


the preserve right to buy. Going forward, in East Lothian, do they


want to see tenants in new-build have the right to buy and the


future? What the Tories are saying is that they want to report the


suspension. Us that Labour policy is well? -- revoke. The council can


make that decision, either to impose the suspension of the right


to buy it or revoke it. That is a decision for the local authority to


make. As it Labour Party policy that any new-build in Scotland


should be open to right to buy? is not. You do not see a


contradiction? I do not see a contradiction because in East


Lothian they would not be water sell-off new builds? What we have


is a Labour Party in East Lothian facilitating with the Conservatives


a return to Thatcherite policy. East Lothian is highly pressured.


This will not help them until we have heard about the pressure and


the waiting lists and that will have the effect of reducing the


available stock. I do not understand this because Alleyne


Murray and myself both recently voted against the Conservatives he


was advocating that policy. I do not have understand how at the


Labour Party can say something at a national level and the exact


opposite in East Lothian. They are proposing to lift the suspension of


their modernised right abide which affected 18 properties since it


came into effect. You take the point that that is a constant


effect. You cannot or ride the Housing Act. The fact is there is a


suspension of the right-to-buy for five years in East Lothian. The


Labour Party and the Conservatives have the ability to lift that. If


it was true one year ago that when East Lothian apply to us that they


had an excess of demand over supply, what has changed now and for the


Labour Party and the Tories to going to the sidelines to bring


back a Thatcherite policy? Let's look at that point then. Whatever


the legalities of what may or may not be an Egle and the future, if


all the evidence is that there is a big housing shortage there, why is


this policy appropriate? Labour councillors did not support the


suspension of the right to buy in 2010 anyway because they did not


think it would achieve anything. We're talking about East Lothian.


In East Lothian, they did not support it because they did not


think it would make any difference because they had only sold 18


houses under the modernised right- to-buy. There were worried that


people who had be preserved right- to-buy might feel that their


entitlement was under threat and then try to use it. The next just


clarify the consequences here. What do you think will be the


consequences of what this Coalition is proposing now? I do not think it


will make a great deal of difference. Since the 2001 Act came


into effect, 1000 council houses have been sold under the preserve


right-to-buy and that is the right to buy that is not being affected.


That is the one with the big biscuit. If it will make little


difference, why is it being done in the first place? This will have the


effect of reducing the available stock off housing and East Lothian.


Why would you do this if your policy is to sell houses off? It


will have an effect on the available land in East Lothian --


land for housing in East Lothian. They will struggle to hit but the


2012 or homeless this target and this will not help it at all.


there are also an argument that more up focus should be placed on


private sector housing because there are often massive problems


there which does not ever get abreast across any of the


council's? In terms of legislation? In terms of responses. Perhaps a


needs to be better implementation of the existing legislation and the


standards of these accommodation and then its upper level to. There


has been legislation in the Scottish Parliament or the years.


Do you think it has been adequately enforced? A I think it will get --


change from one council to another council. Is that acceptable? It is


not acceptable if legislation is not at here to but that is an issue


for local authorities to make sure it is enforced. In terms of the


sort of consultations that are out there and where housing policy may


go, what should be looking for in the future? We are in a process


just now where we have limited the right to buy and given councils


further discretion but I think there is more to be done. Over the


next few weeks, there is more consultation coming out over the


right to buy. That hinges on people's rights and Landlord's


obligations. East Lothian had a very progressive council which was


buying back housing stock of the private market because it was good


quality housing. This is the exact reverse of that policy and my fear


is that at the other council in Scotland is making great strides


towards hitting their 2012 targets and had great concerns over the


effect this will have an East Lothian. This has been blown out of


all proportion. 18 houses were sold since 2002 when the modernised


right-to-buy came into effect. It is not going to make a massive


difference and I think this is all about the fact the SNP are unhappy


they did not do better in East Lothian. Before we leave, could you


consultation lead to further restrictions on the right to buy?


Those will be some of the questions we are looking at, whether we


should further restrict the right to buy. We said that in her


manifesto so that is something we will look at. We'll take on board


the views of people and if it will make little difference, why is it


the case the Labour Party and the Conservatives are bringing back the


This week the Scottish Government confirmed it wants to set a minimum


price for alcohol off 50 pence per unit. In Canada, a form of minimum


pricing has been in place for more than 20 years. But the country is


also using alternative measures to address drinking problems. Canada


has a state monopoly on alcohol. Here in Ontario it is sold by


government owned stores. Each state sets a minimum price for alcohol


and the signs are that it helps. Every time there is an increase in


the minimum price or world consumption goes down. There is


also a reduction to hospital visits. -- overall consumption.


Minimum pricing is part of a wider strategy adopted by the Canadian


government aiming to cut down the estimated �7 billion spent on


health care and lost productivity. We came up with 41 consensus


recommended -- recommendations. They are now in play and a shipping


alcohol policy here in Canada. For three arrows, on the half-hour,


the receive a proportion of wine. - - Three Arrows. It is determined by


a medical model. Than us and doctors help make a decision. --


the nurses. Homeless shelters have


traditionally banned alcohol on their premises but this programme


uses it as a treatment. We provide alcohol to people with


an addiction which is a hard concept to wrap your brain around.


The traditional method is a recovery model which is abstinence


based. The programme has proved effective


when it comes to improving the health of alcoholics and reducing


the encounters with police and medical staff.


I was drinking $100 per day. Now I wake up in the morning and have a


nice hot shower. I am not shaking and puking.


We are reducing the harm to the individual person. Managing


addiction in a way whereby they're not living on the street, drinking


moonshine, they are drinking more soluble liquids that will not have


such a medical detriment to their body. It also works on a local


level. We reduce the number of panhandling alcoholics in the


community, committing crimes to feed their expensive addiction. And


then a societal level we're Across the country, new initiatives


have been piloted to reduce alcohol-related harm. With


Scotland's relation of alcohol in focus, is there more we can learn


from alternative approaches to addiction that can be applied here


at home? Provision of care has been in the


headlines this week following a story of our us about a man in


Aberdeen who had 106 different carers in the year. What is the


issue here? We reported on Friday about Janette,


who cared for her husband Ken, until his death last week. During


the last year of his life he had 106 different people through the


door. The issue is not the quality of care, it is the sheer number of


people coming in and out of the house. They were involved in


intimate care, on dressing, peeving, toileting. His wife says that


having that number of people doing intimate things to her husband has


stripped him of his dignity. The main thing is dignity. You


always come back to it. These people have lost everything. The


only thing they are left with his dignity. If you strip that away you


are just disposing of them, taking their last thing from them.


This has touched a nerve with the Core we have been deluged with


personal stories. Many of them echo the experience of Janette. A couple


It is obviously a very difficult time for people if you get to a


stage whereby you need help with care. How is the process so poster


work? -- supposed. In some cases you will be given a


care package provided by employees of the council. Anecdotally, from


Nicole, it seems that in that situation there is less of a


turnover of staff. -- from the information I have received. It is


when agencies becoming fork that there tends to be a high turnover


of staff. The alternative is being put in control of your own budget,


which is called self directed care. Not all councils tell you about it


There is a Bill going through the Scottish Parliament at the moment


which will force councils to tell you that this option is available


and make it your right to have it but that has not yet gone through.


With us now, Professor June Andrews from Stirling University, you


obviously have expertise -- expertise with a specific type of


client. What sort of options are made available to people? And how


much information do they get about what is out there?


We hear information that supports watch your viewers have said. It is


hoped that this legislation will make it easier for people to get


the proper information. In general, there are told, you can get what is


given by the council, or what is on offer from the council, delivered


by a company recruited by them. So how informed of people about the


choices they are going to make? Is it always clear what consequences


will be of a certain package? When you have dementia, it is


always the case that a number of cases will be bad for you. It is


not always clear that those people choosing the care know what is best


for cases of dementia. They are forced into taking what is on offer.


Are there competing and conflicting interests when it comes to people


providing the Care and the information being given as part of


this process? Yes, one of your correspondent said


that the council were not keen on putting forward the idea of the


person having their own budgets. You can see the conflict of


interest, it implies that what the council is offering is not good


enough and that is some sense it might involve some risk to the


Council of to services have been run in parallel. The one already


being provided by the council under one per person ones with their own


resources. If but the very important thing, particularly with


dementia, this is the last months and years of some bodies life.


Having somebody care for you at home give Sue protection against


institutionalisation. Whatever is offered must be satisfactory to the


cables. -- cables. Could contract the Clear and better


enforced? It is proven clinically that you should not have large


numbers of people coming in for individuals with dementia who might


find that frightening. At really important point. The


implication of what was said before was that the council care was


better than company care. But if the council said so limited times


and low budgets with the company and does not stipulate that the


number of carers should be limited, these things will happen.


What will make the biggest difference?


If the people setting the contracts they really understood dementia and


what makes a difference to people with dementia. Whether that be


council people or individual families and carers. If they have


the right information in terms of what will make the biggest


difference for the person we're not trying to support and care for.


So, self directed care, the best thing?


If the person is anxious to manage a budget being held by the council


but offering the person support, that is a good compromise. But the


most important thing is that people have influence over what is spent.


Lots of people very affected by this and more so in the future,


presumably? Yes, and the argument gets


polarised, it is very important to remember that the person with


dementia is at heart of this. 68 days and counting. We're not


talking about the publication of the Scottish Government referendum


responses - we're talking about the Olympics. Are you excited? Will you


be glued to the television? Or are you feeling left out and under


whelmed? It is one of the final landmarks in the countdown to the


opening ceremony. The arrival of the Olympic flame. A carefully


choreographed affair involving royalty. Behind all the fanfare, a


serious game. -- game. Organisers hope this will ignite enthusiasm up


and down the country. Promoting the games as I United Kingdom event,


not just for London. But will be Johnny be enough to convince the


doubters? -- the journey. The Scottish Legg will begin on day


20 off the track across the UK. It will visit iconic sides like the


birthplace of Robert Burns. It will then head north before taking to


the air for visits to Orkney, Shetland, and Lewis. It then travel


south through Aberdeen and Dundee and makes its way to Edinburgh


Castle. Organisers claim it will come within one hour of 95% of the


population. Glasgow is in the midst of preparing to host the


Commonwealth Games in two years. New venues, a tangible sign of a


lasting benefits that the Games will provide. Selling the legacy of


the London Games here however is a bigger challenge. More than 100


Scottish companies have secured contracts related to the Olympics.


Several projects inspired by the games are encouraging youngsters to


get involved in sport. The torch relay: do provide lessons to those


organising the Commonwealth Games and provide an opportunity to


showcase Scotland, but will it bring about the same excitement as


this? Or will the event for ever eaten set up as London's games? --


for ever be considered. I am now joined by two sports writer. My


briefing notes say, do not mention fireworks - you get agitated?


Opening ceremonies, more on than fireworks. The idea of spending �80


million in the age of austerity to set a small stadium on fire. That


gets me on edge! I am all for the Olympics, I just cannot stand the


build up. Delusions of grandeur that people carry all around


Britain at the moment. I am like a cad that is going on holiday,


asking, are we there yet? Are we there yet? Once we are there, I


will be fine! What is the Scottish dynamic here?


It has been lost on me. I love sport but this business about the


Olympic flame arriving - I have this idea of a plane arriving at


Prestwick and somebody taking out a lighter and lighting it, saying, if


this as sacred! I just do not get into it. I just found out the other


day that the flame is going through my local village, but it means not


much to me. I love the Olympics, but the idea of the Olympic flame


with a Celt, I do not get it. Why are they doing it?


Hype. They only have 10 weeks to build up a great mass of interest


in this soap opera in Lieke. They have to satisfy sponsors. They have


to convince sponsors it is at the forefront of everybody's mind. That


is all it is, just hype. When the real stuff starts you will get


stories of substance, people overcoming odds, a great failures,


the awfulness of failure, the great successes, and things like that,


but this at the moment, it is just I don't want is to be like a couple


of old cynical journalists. Little children will be excited to allow


it into the street and see the flame passing through their town or


village but it is a subjective thing. When people mention the


Olympic flame going through Scotland, I fail to get excited


about it. What about the events themselves? Is there any evidence


at all that the Olympic events have an effect, in terms of legacy, on


the things that children get engaged in it down the line?


thing is to take it further than that. Interest is not a problem and


interest is never a problem. It is keeping them in sport that is the


problem and giving them facilities to continue in sport. Everybody


loves going out to play tennis during the British tennis season


which encompasses two weeks in June. There are no great facilities for


people to continue. At does have an effect. The idea is that before we


had facilities, poverty created great sportsman, especially in


football. The argument now is we need facilities to produce football.


When Scotland had a vintage generation of footballers, it was


social deprivation that produced that. It is strange in a way but in


the modern world you do need facilities. In terms of legacy, how


many times have you and I said, at child said I saw Jimmy Connors


winning Wimbledon on Andy Murray doing this or that and they took


inspiration from it. In terms of legacy, sportsmen claim they were


inspired by things happening at Olympic Games or Ryder Cups, but


whether it is true or not, may see it all the time. I may well regret


this, as it not the case that footballers are now playing to a


far higher standard of the game in football? The game is faster, more


skilful than it was, but we have gone down at in the world level and


a lot of areas which is why Andy Murray is such a beacon of hope for


us. The Commonwealth Games, is the fact they're coming to Scotland


making us more or indifferent? gives us the facilities we were


talking about earlier and there will be facilities left as an


aftermath to the Commonwealth Games. Thank you both. Graeme will be


turning his face from the Olympic flame as it goes past!


Documents obtained by the BBC show the authorities at RAF Kinloss in


Moray knew the public could be at risk from chemical weapons buried


in the area. The air bases the focus of a new investigation into


radioactive contamination. That is linked to the use of glow-in-the-


dark paint in World War II aircraft. The Minister air-defence the there


is no indication of significant risk.


It has been announced the yes campaign for the independence


referendum will launch in Edinburgh this week. The SNP said will be the


biggest ever community campaign. Representatives will sign a yes


declaration in the capital on Friday. Alastair Darling has


confirmed reports he has met with the Conservatives and Liberal


Democrats. That is part of a pro- union campaign launched over the


next few weeks. There will be a campaign to say we're better


remaining within the UK. It will also involve the -- involved people


of all political parties and people of no party affiliation. Hearts


will prepared -- a Paris through Edinburgh and an open-top bus later


as they celebrate their one in the Scottish Cup final. It will head


from the city centre to their home ground so fans can glimpse the


trophy. Fans are already gathering to join


in the celebrations and see the winning team. The parade will start


at the City Chambers and head up past the castle and towards the


west of the city where there will be more supporters waiting. The


victory bus was decorated last night and the organisers had to


wait until the final result to know which colour to use. We now know


The weather has settled down and it will be a sunny afternoon for much


of Scotland. Cloud coming and going across inland areas but not


spoiling anything. Cloud towards the outer Hebrides but it will be


warm in the sunshine across western Scotland. Cooler along the east


coast and winds will be mainly Our next scheduled a it is at


6:15pm. In a moment, we will discuss the big events coming up


this week at Holyrood. First, a look back at the week in 60 seconds.


Nicholas Budgen announced alcohol will cost at least 50p a unit, a


level she says is necessary to tackle the nation's relationship


with Prince. The jobless total in Scotland fell


by 10,000 to 221,000. A cross-party group of MPs launched


a campaign to protect the existing army structure and Scotland ahead


of proposed Ministry of Defence cuts.


The UK Government has published its consultation on the independence


referendum and the Prime Minister says he is not bothered about the


timing. The First Minister's parliamentary


aide was forced to apologise to Parliament after failing to turn up


to answer tabled questions. She had been having lunch with the First


Minister. I realise that this is not the first time I have done this


and I understand the gravity of the matter. The fault is entirely mine,


I lost track of time. Looks like the big political story


next week will be the launch of the yes campaign.


I'm joined by the SNP blogger Kate Higgins who writes under the name


BurdsEyeView. Alongside Labour cyber commentator, the lawyer Ian


Smart. Thank you both for coming in. The yes campaign launches, where


does it go? I have written today that I do not think you should


launch a poll on Friday. The government should be focused on the


bigger things that were happening in the world right now,


particularly in the eurozone, and people should be given the


opportunity to see what they voted for last May, which was a for a


competent government. There is no rush here apart from what is in the


SNP timetable. Then they need to take a moment to consider whether


or not the acting in their own interests are in the interests of


the people of Scotland. What do you think? I can see why they might


want to get on with the yes campaign but they do not think the


timing is right. Some of the commentary around after the local


government elections suggested the government -- juggernaut had come


to a shuddering halt. That was a bit unfair but there was a


suggestion people were trying to cut the SNP down to size a little


bit and get them to focus on the people's priorities. That was one


of the interpretations, that people do not want any more to do with the


constitution for a while. We thought you were confident and we


continue to support that but once the focus away from the


constitution. Do you think that is true? Are there is a certain that


illogicality and the government position. If they are so concerned


about independence, why not get on with it? We cannot say it is all-


important but then we cannot get on with it for two-and-a-half years. I


agree with Kate. There is the apocryphal story that the Press and


Journal reported when the Titanic sank that an Aberdeen man was lost


at sea. In the midst of these huge international events, there is an


Aberdeen man lost at sea tone to it a lot of this, that the focus is to


launch a campaign for a referendum that is more than two years away.


With such a massive question, do you not have to give people a


considerable amount of time to hear the arguments and reach their


conclusions? I don't think anybody suggest that we rush it but we have


just had this discussion of the long lead-in to the Olympics. That


is only a matter of a couple of months now it and we're still 38


months away from this. What exactly is the campaign going to consist


of? A number of minor celebrities standing beside a First Minister


saying the support independence? We know that! You get frustrated with


the process rather than what the Government is delivering. Could the


run out of steam? I think the debate is so polarised between yes


and No And everybody realise we need to get it on to the middle


ground. We need to get answers to some very big questions and those


of us on the outside looking in would prefer it at the politicians


could leave some of the partisan ideas at the door and have a


serious debate about the pros and cons of independence or of staying


where we are. But they need to factor in what happens with what


kind of devolution and extra powers we could have if we do not go the


whole way with independence. I think independence is what we


should aim for but let's have a reasoned debate and a way that is


inclusive and draws people in. We agree, we do not need 30 months of


it and it is more likely to create apathy a rather than excitement.


we look at what has been happening for the Health Secretary this week,


it has been a difficult week, but it highlights again this is donate


their brief. Is it right that anything wrong with the NHS has


landed at the Health Secretary's door? Harold MacMillan pointed out


the problem with politics is a events. The matter of whose fault


it is that there is a shortage of blankets in your car hospital, it


is not Nicola Sturgeon I am sure he asked for fewer blankets. It is the


only way in which people can hold a degree of accountability for things


like that going wrong. She has just unfortunately been left holding the


baby. It is the nightmare before? Justice might be it. As a lawyer,


you might say that! Do you think, the headline set is all Nicola


Sturgeon's fault, but it is an uncomfortable week and also with


July McCubbin. A number of ministers and the SNP Government


have played above their game and the Health Secretary is one of them.


She has been in command of her brief until now and I think she has


actually reacted to some or all of the stories coming in and a


commanding way. She has ordered a review and she'll take action after


the findings of some of those areas. It is an unfortunate set of


circumstances but I think there are two things. The answer, as we have


seen, is not to continue to throw money at it. She has ensured that


it has plenty of resources and pointed out it is not always at the


right thing to do. Some significant breaking news coming in.


Confirmation that the Lockerbie bomb or, the man convicted of the


Lockerbie bombing, has died. Abdel Basset are Megrahi has died, the


report coming in. We're just hearing about that at


the moment. We're still awaiting confirmation about the death of Ali


abdelbaset Al-Megrahi. He was in hospital last month for a blood


transfusion and we're just waiting to get that fully confirmed and


will bring that to you as soon as we can.


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