14/07/2013 Sunday Politics Scotland


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Sunday politics. A momentous week for labour and the unions in the

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debate over party funding. We will bring Conservative and Labour

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representatives together to see if we can make progress. Do not hold

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your breath. You cannot blame the way on global warming, temperatures

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have stopped rising in the first -- last 15 years. As global warming

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really happening in the way that the scientific establishment claims, or

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as time to think again? And yet another ex-suspension crisis for the

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NHS this morning. -- existentialists. We will look at the

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politics of failure. And here in Scotland, with a year to go before

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the Commonwealth Games Village is filled with talented sports people,

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1844 seconds

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are we doing enough to cash in on happening there, they are concerned

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about pollution from all power stations. There are many reasons.

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One of the great things about the way we are tackling climate change

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is that if you have actually cleaned up the energy, the atmosphere, that

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is not a regret. But the policies are expensive. Now they are not. I

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am happy to talk about the cost. number of scientists do not deny

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that CO2 emissions increased temperature, they are looking at

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whether it leads to such a quick rise in temperatures as the central

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forecast, 3% for this century. A professor at Leeds University claims

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that the higher temperatures are unlikely. Another from Oxford, they

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look unlikely. The Georgia Institute of technology, the models are too

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hot. Temperatures could remain flat for another two decades. My point to

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you as do you not want to step back and reconsider policy? If our

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policies were as expensive as you suggested we would obviously want to

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look at them. But you said it put �112 on peoples bills. I will give

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you the breakdown. The vast majority of that is tackling fuel poverty.

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Reducing energy bills long term. Only a small part of that �112 you

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mentioned, only a small amount is in subsidising renewable and low carbon

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energy. We are taking a rational, sensible, moderate approach. I do

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not deny that climate change will not follow the central forecast. But

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there is a range of scenarios. Just like forecasting inflation of

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growth. But lots of scientists are now saying that perhaps the more

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range is more likely. That is still scary. What would be the

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consequences for the UK of a rise in the one Celsius? Many people think

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that is down to claim it change. central forecast that you have

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proceeded on has been the IPC C forecast of 3%. Climate scientists

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are now claiming it would be 1%. What would be bad for Britain?

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few scientists are saying that. A tiny main oddity. -- minority. The

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vast majority are concerned that we will not hit the two degree target.

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All the projections that you are often about would go up of that.

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Frankly, two degrees would be a real step forward and reduce the amount

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of damage. A serious government looking at the science in an

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objective, neutral way, with take action. You would not gamble with

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the future of future generations. Nor would you rush to spend, �110

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billion on wind power. You would take time to develop carbon storage.

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Proper battery storage so that wind power can be more. But instead, on

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the basis of forecast that may prove to be wrong you are continuing with

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an expensive and costly programme. disagree that it is as costly as you

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say. But we are developing energy storage to knowledge use. Not just

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batteries, but water, hydrogen. We have a whole range of policies and

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the idea that we are simply about offshore wind is a nonsense. If the

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plateau is still there by 2020, what will you say to me? I still think

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that the evidence suggests that if you look at rising heat in the

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oceans, the icecaps, rising sea levels... I am saying that you have

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taken a narrow approach. I am taking a way that approach. We have run out

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Advantageous zero. -- AdVantage sport. Can we capitalise on the

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success of Andy Murray? And where does the referendum debate lie?

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What'll happen when politicians return from their summer break?

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There are not many certainties in the leaves of sports persons. But

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here is one, politicians will attach themselves to your success. Just ask

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Andy Murray. But with the Commonwealth Games one year away,

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what more needs to be done? It was a victory that there is -- armed

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sporting immortality for Andy Murray. Familiar faces from the

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world of politics are joined in the rush to congratulate the champion.

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They are conscience that the -- conscious that the average man and

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woman pays attention to is what people in their achievements.

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Politicians naturally want to muscle in. In one year competitors will

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arrive at the hour surveillance in the East End of Glasgow for the

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Commonwealth Games. -- of the athletes village. Once the frenzy

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has gone away, to what extent is the relationship between politics and

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sport a two Way St? The answer is usually about legacy. Sport Scotland

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recently announced a �5.8 million in tennis. Not a bandwagon in this

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state, according to the sports minister. You do not come up with

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this in a few days, I can guarantee you will stop it has been a while in

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the planning. But there is nothing wrong in saying that we want a

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legacy from Andy Murray's victory at Wimbledon. He is a one-off. He has

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created a great environment for Scotland to build on but nothing

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more than that. Hard work remains to be done. That is where the

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government money is a start, but only a start. Alex Salmond was

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promoting club golf at the Scottish open. A sport in which another Scot

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has scaled the heights. 14 years after winning the open championship,

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does Paul Lawrie think that has ever very prompted sustained commitment

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to grassroots golf? Yes, to a certain extent. But it is difficult

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to keep going, to keep putting in money, whatever. But I think it is a

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lot better than it was. One former limping as more sceptical. --

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Olympic athlete. We must be certain that the fantastic venues, the use

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the as, that it is maximised. -- the enthusiasm. But we do not have that

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ability with the current system. There is more we could do to

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maximise things. Inspiring long-term change was as dated -- was the

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stated plan for the games. I am joined now by Brian Whittle, who we

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saw in the film. Andy Murray's victory was the end of 18 your

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journey. How do you characterise the relationship between politics and

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sport? -- a ten year journey. need politicians because they often

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find sport but they do not understand it quite as well as they

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should. -- fund. We need to be looking at decades long lines

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whereas politicians think in four-year cycles. -- plans. They

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know that they will not often be there to see things come to

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fruition. You were sceptical about the Olympic legacy. You said it was

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not working in the current system. What is the picture at the moment?

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am classed as being sceptical, but there are lots of fantastic things

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happening. But the Olympic legacy was to get so many millions of

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people involved in sport. The trouble is that the time came when

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the Olympics ended and these people tried and we did not have the actual

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capacity. We need to allow for children to come and at the ground

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level and get to where they get to. They are limiting factor should not

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be the systems that we have. -- the limiting factor. It is quite

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difficult for politicians to plan. Inspiration should come from parents

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and teachers. Absolutely true. Political intervention is not the

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only answer, it is a multifaceted answer. Parents are even more

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important than in my day because of the decline in sport at schools

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since the 1980s. Andy Murray typifies what is required to get to

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the very top. I had the great pleasure of chatting to his mother.

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The amount of commitment that the parents have, that is incredibly

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important. It took him ten years to become an overnight success! We need

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a multifaceted approach. If we are to help teachers inspire young

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people, you referenced the 80s, the teachers strike, do we need to put

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more money into school sports? think we do. I made a flippant

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comment last year, why don't we take all that money and teach teachers to

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do extracurricular sport? My introduction to sport was through

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school. That happens a lot less now. No, I know we cannot do that, but it

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was a thought just to start some debate. Sport in schools is not

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happening as much as you think at the moment. Andy Murray went away

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and fifth in the two practice sport. -- at 15. If there are other talents

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like that, as they are the capacity within Scotland to Hamas? I don't

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think so. -- to harness that. address that balance requires a

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long-term commitment. And the other reality is that you cannot get away

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from the weather. Some tournaments of that level, over here, would have

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to be endorsed. -- indoors. Do you think there are children who could

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be the next Andy Murray, who are not being spotted? Wasted opportunities,

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not being spotted by coaches? Without question. I have said this

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before, not forgetting that in recent times Scotland produced the

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Olympic 100 metres champion, we just have not moved on since Alan Wells.

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There are of there who could run as fast, we just have not taken

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advantage. It is the whole picture, parental intervention, etc. Andy

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Murray has eight calibre instinct that helped him rise to the top. --

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killer instinct. Is there anything that is in the national psyche that

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prevents that kind of success? don't think so. I think we have a

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chip on both shoulders! Given the opportunity, fantastic amount of

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talent in Scotland. School is out for summer. Holyrood has shot up

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shop. The referendum campaigns started just over one year ago. Both

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will work hard over this summer. Concept Ember, the one year

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countdown is on. So let's review a spectacular sunny finish. -- come

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for the wicked. Alex Salmond and Alistair Darling both made keynote

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speeches pushing positivity and criticising each other. Perhaps that

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encapsulate were the debate has set the summer. We gathered some views,

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two from each side, and this Conservative MP has warning about

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negativity. I said what I said because I believed it. We have two

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focus on issues of substance. I guess my concern is that we have led

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people to believe they will have all the facts before them before they

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vote but it is very clear they will not. One Labour MP is emphasising be

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positive about his campaign. It has been a great start to the campaign

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for the role UK side with the lead extended in the polls. There has

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been a recruitment of ambassadors for the UK case and that have been

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local groups set up around the country. Still a long way to go only

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there is no complacency but we have had good year. Good news in the

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polls for them. The Green Party are bedfellows in Yes Scotland than the

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palling is not yet raising any alarm bells. Many people are unconvinced

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but open-minded. The kinds of things that will inspire people to change

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their position is a debate dominated by big ideas and by a vision about

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the future of our society and what we want Scotland to be, rather than

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empty assertions on both sides. Perhaps a lack of certainty on both

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sides. A key moment in the autumn will be the prospectus for the

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independents. There will be a lot of arguments. The prospectus can lay at

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the detail of what an independent Scotland can achieve and from my

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point of view, once the white paper is published as the real starting

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point for the campaign because only then can we say this is what defence

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and wealthier band so one will look like. More arguments will give way

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to more arguments and the cycle will continue.

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If politicians lacks the summer, enjoy the break. With me now for the

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Yes Scotland campaign is Tasmina Ahmed Sheikh and for the other side,

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Better Together, is the Scottish Conservative MSP Annabel Goldie.

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Thank you for joining us. I want to look at positivity and negativity

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first of all. Two speeches this week board reported to be positive but

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were critical of each other. Alex Salmond was talking this week about

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the parcel of rogues on the other side. I believe that projects a year

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has been exposed and it started with mobile phone roaming charges and now

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it has moved on to the billions it would cost to get rid of Trident and

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again that has been exposed. It would cost less than to keep

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Trident. These tactics do not sit well with the people of Scotland and

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people do not like being frightened into adopting a certain position.

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People deserve the facts from all those involved in the campaign and

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we have been relentlessly positive and will continue to do so. Alex

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Salmond has constantly been critical of Westminster. We the positivity

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there? Westminster this completely out of touch with Scottish politics

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and despite the fact we have MPs at Westminster, when they bought their

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views are not taken into consideration. We have policies

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imposed on us without a will. -- oh well. We can be sure of two things

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in a Scottish parliament, that we always get the government we vote

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for and we will always act in the best interests of the people of

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Scotland. Too much negativity and scaremongering. We have even had

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that from one of your colleagues talking about how some stories were

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silly. It looked like Alistair Darling made a bit of a change

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trying to be positive? He made an important speech outlining positive

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aspects of what the pressures partnership actually means for many

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people in Scotland. That was a very good agenda to be pursuing. Just a

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back-up on what was just said they are, the figure about Faslane, that

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I believed to be the beer cost of creating the state and nothing

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whatsoever to do would be the beer cost of creating the state and

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nothing whatsoever to do with the enormous cost you cannot take one

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fact in isolation. There is this constant negativity particularly

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from Better Together but even when Alistair Darling was trying to be

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positive, he was characterising a national list interpretation of

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history as childish. They Trident caricature Better Together as

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projects via which is not something I recognise. It is more to do with

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public perception and I was campaigning as recently as Tuesday

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evening. Public reaction is positive with people from diverse political

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backgrounds who regard Better Together as presenting a positive

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case for the United Kingdom. We saw Patrick Harvie talking about a real

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vision. Do you think the leaders room for a big overarching vision on

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your side? Can I please clarify, Project sphere was a term borne out

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of the Better Together campaign and was exposed, not made up by others.

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We have always spoken of Scotland as something more fear and more

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democratic and that is something we take to the people of Scotland. We

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have found that when we give people the facts and when they are real but

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I really informed, they are much more disposed to vote yes. Our job

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is to make sure that every possible venue and every possible community

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be given the facts. The facts should be accurate. What is the big

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version? We are not used to having a vision but for the first time we

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will have control of what happens in our country and we can move beyond

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party politics and look at our vision. Because it transcends party

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politics and because people in Yes Scotland are from all parties and

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none, we can take everything they have to offer to the campaign. But

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allows us to take the campaign forward and take everyone's views

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into consideration. Is it hard for your side to Philly vision when it

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is the status quo? I think she reveals the difficulty. Everyone can

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have a vision but we need specifics and the specifics are what is

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missing. Alex Salmond's speech recently up north was very

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revealing. He has clearly stung by the yes campaign awareness that an

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awful lot of people in Scotland not only value the partnership but they

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like it and want to continue. He then said, that social union will

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remain along with the NATO union and the EU union. That is arrogant

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nonsense. In an independent Scotland your relationship with NATO will

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change. We no longer control the environment which determines levels

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of public spending and borrowing. It is pagan nonsense and a cynical ploy

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to cover up what the yes campaign is profoundly aware of, which is that

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they need to raise its game but it can't. Better Together when all is

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said and done has a better story to tell. The big story will be in the

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White Paper this autumn. There will be a lot of answers needed in that?

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And those answers will be forthcoming. Will be shredded to

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bits by your opponents? independence referendum includes

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everybody and it is right to the bait. We should not be afraid of

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having conversations and I have to take issue with Annabel Goldie's

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comments. It is a matter of absolute fact that the political and economic

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union is not working for Scotland. We have to do what is in the best

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interests for Scotland and I suppose the whole of the country. My parents

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live in London and it is ridiculous to suggest that those ties cannot

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continue. When it comes to the White Paper, Jackson Carlisle made the

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point that the public want answers. I can rip anything to shreds in

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anticipation and we need to see what the White Paper says. We now hear

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that Alex Salmond will be assisted by Scottish novelists in preparation

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which will take fiction to new levels. When it comes to really

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engaging with people, the Polish and Asian community were speaking on

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good morning Scotland saying they had not been engaged or contacted by

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the campaigns. What can we do to change that? That is not factually

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correct. I am a member of the Scottish Asians for independence

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campaign. How can we engage different communities?

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communication and grassroots communication. We will have to leave

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The julienne the United States has acquitted a neighbourhood watch

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volunteer of shooting dead a black teenager. He argued he acted in

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self-defence and the verdict has prompted some demonstrations.

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A dramatic conclusion to a trial that has captivated and divided this

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nation. George Zimmerman, a neighbourhood watch volunteer, never

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denied shooting dead Trayvon Martin but he said he did so in

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self-defence and the Julie agreed. As happy as I am, I am thrilled that

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this Julie -- jury get this tragedy from becoming a tragedy. Trayvon

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Martin was walking home when he was spotted by George Zimmerman sitting

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in his car convinced he was part of a gang targeting a local

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neighbourhoods. The prosecution said he proceeded and then provoked

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Trayvon Martin as he headed to this private apartment complex. There

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were no witnesses to the confrontation but a neighbour's

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called to the emergency services picked up cries for help followed by

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Trayvon Martin was dead. Instead of laying the matter to rest, there's a

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fear of the Julie's verdict may reopen old wounds.

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A firefighter has died and the second is being treated in hospital

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after they fired on Manchester city centre. It broke out in a

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hairdressing salon. Nearly 24 hours after the fire broke

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out on the other side of that building there. At 8:30pm last

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night, something happened, possibly an explosion, perhaps caused by the

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products stored there. Two firefighters had to be rescued and

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one died in the fire. He was 38 years old and a father of two.

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Greater Manchester police have arrested 215-year-old girls on

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suspicion of manslaughter. Police in Northern Ireland say that seven

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officers have an engine during a second mate of violence. -- night.

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An extra 400 officers from around the United Kingdom have been drafted

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into the province. More news on BBC One at 6:35pm. Offshore helicopter

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operators CHC have reassured staff about the safety of their craft.

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They were grounded in the wake of two Northsea etchings but given the

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all clear by aviation authorities are earlier this week. -- ditching.

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Thousands of people are enjoying another day of sunshine at T in the

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Park. About 85,000 people are attending. This evening, American

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rock group, the killers, will close in the way of cloud towards the west

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coast and far north. Warm in the political headlines of the week. But

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first: Ed Miliband said that Labour needed to lay on the lessons of this

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selection row and pledged to end automatic affiliation with union

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members. There were calls to bring forward the fuelling of the a name

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:07:20.:07:21.

after a crash killed three people. -- dualling. A group of American

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politicians met at the Scottish Parliament. William Hague said that

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he meant no offence after appearing to call Cathy Jamieson a stupid

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:07:41.:08:01.

recommended, MSPs could also see a Westminster will follow next week

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but it is still a easy time and politics. -- base. -- busy. I am

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joined by an SNP blogger and Spectator blog. Our top story today,

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the Sunday Herald, who will be the winners after the historic triumph

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of Andy Murray? What gained of legacy will we get? Hopefully we can

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build on the confidence. We need to back that up with investment and

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infrastructure. That will be very important, going forward. Putting in

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the grass roots work. Hopefully that can translate into real investment

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in tennis and other sports. We spoke to Brian Whittle in the programme.

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He was sceptical about legacies. Do you think that the Olympic legacy

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has come to fruition? No, but it cannot in just 12 months. But talk

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of legacy is a nonsense, really. Andy Murray as a one-off in many

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respects. In the same way that Roger Federer is a one-off. Doubtless more

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people in Switzerland play tennis, and doubtless more people will take

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it up in Scotland, but the notion that we will suddenly start

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producing a stream of champions is fanciful, and it is equally fanciful

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to suggest politicians can have any kind of impact on these things. Yes,

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it is less likely to waste public money when you spend it on sport

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than some of the other things it is spent on, and it would be a good

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thing if young children exercised more school, but if you want to talk

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about legacy, that is what is important. Not about a programme

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which will churn out champions. Maybe politicians do not have much

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impact, it is down to teachers and parents? I totally agree with that.

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Politicians can only look at the overall picture, which must be in

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formed by people on the ground. It has to be done from the bottom up.

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Investment going in on the basis of what they have been told from the

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autumn. Politicians and sport should kind of stay apart. They do not mix

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too well. With 14 months to go the independence campaign has already

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become a slanging match, according to the sun. We have seen speeches

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purporting to be positive this week which were actually quite negative.

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I don't know. Maybe it is correct that neither campaign is inspiring

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the people. The people remain defiantly unstamped by large parts

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of the campaign. -- unstirred. But by historical or international

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standards it has been a civil campaign thus far. I imagine that

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will change over the next 12 months but it has been modestly restrained,

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modestly civilised, and only modestly interesting! Natalie, do

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you think people are engaged? Patrick Harvie made that point in

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the film. We are seeing some more interest through the work that I am

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doing. But the walls are pretty static. -- polls. The No campaign

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have gone strong on aspects of that they think will hit people off

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independence. But they have not really shifted people away from

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independence. Whereas the Yes campaign have not been so successful

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chef in Kabul the other way. -- shifting people. But speaking to

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people on their doorsteps, I think it will be that kind of one-to-one

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conversation that is needed. That is all from us this week. We got off a

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Political magazine presented by Andrew Neil and Andrew Kerr.


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