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Sunday politics. A momentous week for labour and the unions in the


debate over party funding. We will bring Conservative and Labour


representatives together to see if we can make progress. Do not hold


your breath. You cannot blame the way on global warming, temperatures


have stopped rising in the first -- last 15 years. As global warming


really happening in the way that the scientific establishment claims, or


as time to think again? And yet another ex-suspension crisis for the


NHS this morning. -- existentialists. We will look at the


politics of failure. And here in Scotland, with a year to go before


the Commonwealth Games Village is filled with talented sports people,


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are we doing enough to cash in on happening there, they are concerned


about pollution from all power stations. There are many reasons.


One of the great things about the way we are tackling climate change


is that if you have actually cleaned up the energy, the atmosphere, that


is not a regret. But the policies are expensive. Now they are not. I


am happy to talk about the cost. number of scientists do not deny


that CO2 emissions increased temperature, they are looking at


whether it leads to such a quick rise in temperatures as the central


forecast, 3% for this century. A professor at Leeds University claims


that the higher temperatures are unlikely. Another from Oxford, they


look unlikely. The Georgia Institute of technology, the models are too


hot. Temperatures could remain flat for another two decades. My point to


you as do you not want to step back and reconsider policy? If our


policies were as expensive as you suggested we would obviously want to


look at them. But you said it put �112 on peoples bills. I will give


you the breakdown. The vast majority of that is tackling fuel poverty.


Reducing energy bills long term. Only a small part of that �112 you


mentioned, only a small amount is in subsidising renewable and low carbon


energy. We are taking a rational, sensible, moderate approach. I do


not deny that climate change will not follow the central forecast. But


there is a range of scenarios. Just like forecasting inflation of


growth. But lots of scientists are now saying that perhaps the more


range is more likely. That is still scary. What would be the


consequences for the UK of a rise in the one Celsius? Many people think


that is down to claim it change. central forecast that you have


proceeded on has been the IPC C forecast of 3%. Climate scientists


are now claiming it would be 1%. What would be bad for Britain?


few scientists are saying that. A tiny main oddity. -- minority. The


vast majority are concerned that we will not hit the two degree target.


All the projections that you are often about would go up of that.


Frankly, two degrees would be a real step forward and reduce the amount


of damage. A serious government looking at the science in an


objective, neutral way, with take action. You would not gamble with


the future of future generations. Nor would you rush to spend, �110


billion on wind power. You would take time to develop carbon storage.


Proper battery storage so that wind power can be more. But instead, on


the basis of forecast that may prove to be wrong you are continuing with


an expensive and costly programme. disagree that it is as costly as you


say. But we are developing energy storage to knowledge use. Not just


batteries, but water, hydrogen. We have a whole range of policies and


the idea that we are simply about offshore wind is a nonsense. If the


plateau is still there by 2020, what will you say to me? I still think


that the evidence suggests that if you look at rising heat in the


oceans, the icecaps, rising sea levels... I am saying that you have


taken a narrow approach. I am taking a way that approach. We have run out


Advantageous zero. -- AdVantage sport. Can we capitalise on the


success of Andy Murray? And where does the referendum debate lie?


What'll happen when politicians return from their summer break?


There are not many certainties in the leaves of sports persons. But


here is one, politicians will attach themselves to your success. Just ask


Andy Murray. But with the Commonwealth Games one year away,


what more needs to be done? It was a victory that there is -- armed


sporting immortality for Andy Murray. Familiar faces from the


world of politics are joined in the rush to congratulate the champion.


They are conscience that the -- conscious that the average man and


woman pays attention to is what people in their achievements.


Politicians naturally want to muscle in. In one year competitors will


arrive at the hour surveillance in the East End of Glasgow for the


Commonwealth Games. -- of the athletes village. Once the frenzy


has gone away, to what extent is the relationship between politics and


sport a two Way St? The answer is usually about legacy. Sport Scotland


recently announced a �5.8 million in tennis. Not a bandwagon in this


state, according to the sports minister. You do not come up with


this in a few days, I can guarantee you will stop it has been a while in


the planning. But there is nothing wrong in saying that we want a


legacy from Andy Murray's victory at Wimbledon. He is a one-off. He has


created a great environment for Scotland to build on but nothing


more than that. Hard work remains to be done. That is where the


government money is a start, but only a start. Alex Salmond was


promoting club golf at the Scottish open. A sport in which another Scot


has scaled the heights. 14 years after winning the open championship,


does Paul Lawrie think that has ever very prompted sustained commitment


to grassroots golf? Yes, to a certain extent. But it is difficult


to keep going, to keep putting in money, whatever. But I think it is a


lot better than it was. One former limping as more sceptical. --


Olympic athlete. We must be certain that the fantastic venues, the use


the as, that it is maximised. -- the enthusiasm. But we do not have that


ability with the current system. There is more we could do to


maximise things. Inspiring long-term change was as dated -- was the


stated plan for the games. I am joined now by Brian Whittle, who we


saw in the film. Andy Murray's victory was the end of 18 your


journey. How do you characterise the relationship between politics and


sport? -- a ten year journey. need politicians because they often


find sport but they do not understand it quite as well as they


should. -- fund. We need to be looking at decades long lines


whereas politicians think in four-year cycles. -- plans. They


know that they will not often be there to see things come to


fruition. You were sceptical about the Olympic legacy. You said it was


not working in the current system. What is the picture at the moment?


am classed as being sceptical, but there are lots of fantastic things


happening. But the Olympic legacy was to get so many millions of


people involved in sport. The trouble is that the time came when


the Olympics ended and these people tried and we did not have the actual


capacity. We need to allow for children to come and at the ground


level and get to where they get to. They are limiting factor should not


be the systems that we have. -- the limiting factor. It is quite


difficult for politicians to plan. Inspiration should come from parents


and teachers. Absolutely true. Political intervention is not the


only answer, it is a multifaceted answer. Parents are even more


important than in my day because of the decline in sport at schools


since the 1980s. Andy Murray typifies what is required to get to


the very top. I had the great pleasure of chatting to his mother.


The amount of commitment that the parents have, that is incredibly


important. It took him ten years to become an overnight success! We need


a multifaceted approach. If we are to help teachers inspire young


people, you referenced the 80s, the teachers strike, do we need to put


more money into school sports? think we do. I made a flippant


comment last year, why don't we take all that money and teach teachers to


do extracurricular sport? My introduction to sport was through


school. That happens a lot less now. No, I know we cannot do that, but it


was a thought just to start some debate. Sport in schools is not


happening as much as you think at the moment. Andy Murray went away


and fifth in the two practice sport. -- at 15. If there are other talents


like that, as they are the capacity within Scotland to Hamas? I don't


think so. -- to harness that. address that balance requires a


long-term commitment. And the other reality is that you cannot get away


from the weather. Some tournaments of that level, over here, would have


to be endorsed. -- indoors. Do you think there are children who could


be the next Andy Murray, who are not being spotted? Wasted opportunities,


not being spotted by coaches? Without question. I have said this


before, not forgetting that in recent times Scotland produced the


Olympic 100 metres champion, we just have not moved on since Alan Wells.


There are of there who could run as fast, we just have not taken


advantage. It is the whole picture, parental intervention, etc. Andy


Murray has eight calibre instinct that helped him rise to the top. --


killer instinct. Is there anything that is in the national psyche that


prevents that kind of success? don't think so. I think we have a


chip on both shoulders! Given the opportunity, fantastic amount of


talent in Scotland. School is out for summer. Holyrood has shot up


shop. The referendum campaigns started just over one year ago. Both


will work hard over this summer. Concept Ember, the one year


countdown is on. So let's review a spectacular sunny finish. -- come


for the wicked. Alex Salmond and Alistair Darling both made keynote


speeches pushing positivity and criticising each other. Perhaps that


encapsulate were the debate has set the summer. We gathered some views,


two from each side, and this Conservative MP has warning about


negativity. I said what I said because I believed it. We have two


focus on issues of substance. I guess my concern is that we have led


people to believe they will have all the facts before them before they


vote but it is very clear they will not. One Labour MP is emphasising be


positive about his campaign. It has been a great start to the campaign


for the role UK side with the lead extended in the polls. There has


been a recruitment of ambassadors for the UK case and that have been


local groups set up around the country. Still a long way to go only


there is no complacency but we have had good year. Good news in the


polls for them. The Green Party are bedfellows in Yes Scotland than the


palling is not yet raising any alarm bells. Many people are unconvinced


but open-minded. The kinds of things that will inspire people to change


their position is a debate dominated by big ideas and by a vision about


the future of our society and what we want Scotland to be, rather than


empty assertions on both sides. Perhaps a lack of certainty on both


sides. A key moment in the autumn will be the prospectus for the


independents. There will be a lot of arguments. The prospectus can lay at


the detail of what an independent Scotland can achieve and from my


point of view, once the white paper is published as the real starting


point for the campaign because only then can we say this is what defence


and wealthier band so one will look like. More arguments will give way


to more arguments and the cycle will continue.


If politicians lacks the summer, enjoy the break. With me now for the


Yes Scotland campaign is Tasmina Ahmed Sheikh and for the other side,


Better Together, is the Scottish Conservative MSP Annabel Goldie.


Thank you for joining us. I want to look at positivity and negativity


first of all. Two speeches this week board reported to be positive but


were critical of each other. Alex Salmond was talking this week about


the parcel of rogues on the other side. I believe that projects a year


has been exposed and it started with mobile phone roaming charges and now


it has moved on to the billions it would cost to get rid of Trident and


again that has been exposed. It would cost less than to keep


Trident. These tactics do not sit well with the people of Scotland and


people do not like being frightened into adopting a certain position.


People deserve the facts from all those involved in the campaign and


we have been relentlessly positive and will continue to do so. Alex


Salmond has constantly been critical of Westminster. We the positivity


there? Westminster this completely out of touch with Scottish politics


and despite the fact we have MPs at Westminster, when they bought their


views are not taken into consideration. We have policies


imposed on us without a will. -- oh well. We can be sure of two things


in a Scottish parliament, that we always get the government we vote


for and we will always act in the best interests of the people of


Scotland. Too much negativity and scaremongering. We have even had


that from one of your colleagues talking about how some stories were


silly. It looked like Alistair Darling made a bit of a change


trying to be positive? He made an important speech outlining positive


aspects of what the pressures partnership actually means for many


people in Scotland. That was a very good agenda to be pursuing. Just a


back-up on what was just said they are, the figure about Faslane, that


I believed to be the beer cost of creating the state and nothing


whatsoever to do would be the beer cost of creating the state and


nothing whatsoever to do with the enormous cost you cannot take one


fact in isolation. There is this constant negativity particularly


from Better Together but even when Alistair Darling was trying to be


positive, he was characterising a national list interpretation of


history as childish. They Trident caricature Better Together as


projects via which is not something I recognise. It is more to do with


public perception and I was campaigning as recently as Tuesday


evening. Public reaction is positive with people from diverse political


backgrounds who regard Better Together as presenting a positive


case for the United Kingdom. We saw Patrick Harvie talking about a real


vision. Do you think the leaders room for a big overarching vision on


your side? Can I please clarify, Project sphere was a term borne out


of the Better Together campaign and was exposed, not made up by others.


We have always spoken of Scotland as something more fear and more


democratic and that is something we take to the people of Scotland. We


have found that when we give people the facts and when they are real but


I really informed, they are much more disposed to vote yes. Our job


is to make sure that every possible venue and every possible community


be given the facts. The facts should be accurate. What is the big


version? We are not used to having a vision but for the first time we


will have control of what happens in our country and we can move beyond


party politics and look at our vision. Because it transcends party


politics and because people in Yes Scotland are from all parties and


none, we can take everything they have to offer to the campaign. But


allows us to take the campaign forward and take everyone's views


into consideration. Is it hard for your side to Philly vision when it


is the status quo? I think she reveals the difficulty. Everyone can


have a vision but we need specifics and the specifics are what is


missing. Alex Salmond's speech recently up north was very


revealing. He has clearly stung by the yes campaign awareness that an


awful lot of people in Scotland not only value the partnership but they


like it and want to continue. He then said, that social union will


remain along with the NATO union and the EU union. That is arrogant


nonsense. In an independent Scotland your relationship with NATO will


change. We no longer control the environment which determines levels


of public spending and borrowing. It is pagan nonsense and a cynical ploy


to cover up what the yes campaign is profoundly aware of, which is that


they need to raise its game but it can't. Better Together when all is


said and done has a better story to tell. The big story will be in the


White Paper this autumn. There will be a lot of answers needed in that?


And those answers will be forthcoming. Will be shredded to


bits by your opponents? independence referendum includes


everybody and it is right to the bait. We should not be afraid of


having conversations and I have to take issue with Annabel Goldie's


comments. It is a matter of absolute fact that the political and economic


union is not working for Scotland. We have to do what is in the best


interests for Scotland and I suppose the whole of the country. My parents


live in London and it is ridiculous to suggest that those ties cannot


continue. When it comes to the White Paper, Jackson Carlisle made the


point that the public want answers. I can rip anything to shreds in


anticipation and we need to see what the White Paper says. We now hear


that Alex Salmond will be assisted by Scottish novelists in preparation


which will take fiction to new levels. When it comes to really


engaging with people, the Polish and Asian community were speaking on


good morning Scotland saying they had not been engaged or contacted by


the campaigns. What can we do to change that? That is not factually


correct. I am a member of the Scottish Asians for independence


campaign. How can we engage different communities?


communication and grassroots communication. We will have to leave


The julienne the United States has acquitted a neighbourhood watch


volunteer of shooting dead a black teenager. He argued he acted in


self-defence and the verdict has prompted some demonstrations.


A dramatic conclusion to a trial that has captivated and divided this


nation. George Zimmerman, a neighbourhood watch volunteer, never


denied shooting dead Trayvon Martin but he said he did so in


self-defence and the Julie agreed. As happy as I am, I am thrilled that


this Julie -- jury get this tragedy from becoming a tragedy. Trayvon


Martin was walking home when he was spotted by George Zimmerman sitting


in his car convinced he was part of a gang targeting a local


neighbourhoods. The prosecution said he proceeded and then provoked


Trayvon Martin as he headed to this private apartment complex. There


were no witnesses to the confrontation but a neighbour's


called to the emergency services picked up cries for help followed by


Trayvon Martin was dead. Instead of laying the matter to rest, there's a


fear of the Julie's verdict may reopen old wounds.


A firefighter has died and the second is being treated in hospital


after they fired on Manchester city centre. It broke out in a


hairdressing salon. Nearly 24 hours after the fire broke


out on the other side of that building there. At 8:30pm last


night, something happened, possibly an explosion, perhaps caused by the


products stored there. Two firefighters had to be rescued and


one died in the fire. He was 38 years old and a father of two.


Greater Manchester police have arrested 215-year-old girls on


suspicion of manslaughter. Police in Northern Ireland say that seven


officers have an engine during a second mate of violence. -- night.


An extra 400 officers from around the United Kingdom have been drafted


into the province. More news on BBC One at 6:35pm. Offshore helicopter


operators CHC have reassured staff about the safety of their craft.


They were grounded in the wake of two Northsea etchings but given the


all clear by aviation authorities are earlier this week. -- ditching.


Thousands of people are enjoying another day of sunshine at T in the


Park. About 85,000 people are attending. This evening, American


rock group, the killers, will close in the way of cloud towards the west


coast and far north. Warm in the political headlines of the week. But


first: Ed Miliband said that Labour needed to lay on the lessons of this


selection row and pledged to end automatic affiliation with union


members. There were calls to bring forward the fuelling of the a name


after a crash killed three people. -- dualling. A group of American


politicians met at the Scottish Parliament. William Hague said that


he meant no offence after appearing to call Cathy Jamieson a stupid


recommended, MSPs could also see a Westminster will follow next week


but it is still a easy time and politics. -- base. -- busy. I am


joined by an SNP blogger and Spectator blog. Our top story today,


the Sunday Herald, who will be the winners after the historic triumph


of Andy Murray? What gained of legacy will we get? Hopefully we can


build on the confidence. We need to back that up with investment and


infrastructure. That will be very important, going forward. Putting in


the grass roots work. Hopefully that can translate into real investment


in tennis and other sports. We spoke to Brian Whittle in the programme.


He was sceptical about legacies. Do you think that the Olympic legacy


has come to fruition? No, but it cannot in just 12 months. But talk


of legacy is a nonsense, really. Andy Murray as a one-off in many


respects. In the same way that Roger Federer is a one-off. Doubtless more


people in Switzerland play tennis, and doubtless more people will take


it up in Scotland, but the notion that we will suddenly start


producing a stream of champions is fanciful, and it is equally fanciful


to suggest politicians can have any kind of impact on these things. Yes,


it is less likely to waste public money when you spend it on sport


than some of the other things it is spent on, and it would be a good


thing if young children exercised more school, but if you want to talk


about legacy, that is what is important. Not about a programme


which will churn out champions. Maybe politicians do not have much


impact, it is down to teachers and parents? I totally agree with that.


Politicians can only look at the overall picture, which must be in


formed by people on the ground. It has to be done from the bottom up.


Investment going in on the basis of what they have been told from the


autumn. Politicians and sport should kind of stay apart. They do not mix


too well. With 14 months to go the independence campaign has already


become a slanging match, according to the sun. We have seen speeches


purporting to be positive this week which were actually quite negative.


I don't know. Maybe it is correct that neither campaign is inspiring


the people. The people remain defiantly unstamped by large parts


of the campaign. -- unstirred. But by historical or international


standards it has been a civil campaign thus far. I imagine that


will change over the next 12 months but it has been modestly restrained,


modestly civilised, and only modestly interesting! Natalie, do


you think people are engaged? Patrick Harvie made that point in


the film. We are seeing some more interest through the work that I am


doing. But the walls are pretty static. -- polls. The No campaign


have gone strong on aspects of that they think will hit people off


independence. But they have not really shifted people away from


independence. Whereas the Yes campaign have not been so successful


chef in Kabul the other way. -- shifting people. But speaking to


people on their doorsteps, I think it will be that kind of one-to-one


conversation that is needed. That is all from us this week. We got off a


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