07/07/2013 Sunday Politics Scotland


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Politics. Farewell Abu Qatada. It's only taken

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us eight years to send you packing. The extremist Muslim cleric has

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already arrived in Jordan this morning. We'll be talking to Justice

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Secretary Chris Grayling. We know what Nigel Farage thinks -

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he's never off the telly. But what about the rest of UKIP? Stay tuned

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for the biggest survey yet of UKIP councillors. We'll be putting our

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results to the party leader. As Ed Milliband and Union baron Len

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McLuskey come to blows, we'll be asking political bruiser John Reid

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who's in charge of Labour? And imagine coming out of the care

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system at 16 and finding yourself homeless. There is new legislation

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1873 seconds

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to fix the issue but does it go far this point you seem reluctant to

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talk about and instead bash Labour which is not what I am asking about

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at all. We have seen that many people who might have voted for you,

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who voted Conservative in the past, will now vote for MrFar and --

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MrFarage. Maybe in enough numbers to give MrMiliband the keys to Downing

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Street which you say would be a disaster and MrMcCluskey and the

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rest of them. I ask again why don't you do a deal to stop that

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happening? Well, you don't do deals. You fight for your principles, you

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fight for what you believe is right. The Conservative Party isn't going

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to go to a general election having done a deal with someone else. We

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are going to a general election and fight on the principles we believe

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in. If you take the issue of Europe, the one on which a number of people

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have expressed concerns in the last few years. On Friday the entire

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Conservative Party went to the House of Commons and voted for a

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referendum on the European Union. We face opposition to that from Labour

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and the Lib Dems. Not from UKIP. Why can't you do a deal with a party

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that's already full of people who used to be Conservatives? Look, we

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have to get legislation through the House of Commons. The reality of the

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House of Commons is that it's Labour and the Lib Dems who have more votes

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than us in the House of Commons. So therefore if we are going to win the

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argument the only way we will be able to change these things, the way

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we can deliver a referendum, a renegotiation first because that's

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crucial, we have to have a renegotiation so there is a genuine

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deal to offer, we have to get a majority Conservative Government.

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understand that. But you are only trailing Labour by 6-10% in the

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polls, it's not a huge amount Labour is ahead at the moment. A deal with

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UKIP would make it much more likely that you form a Government after the

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next election. You have seen the election projections, no deal with

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UKIP, MrMiliband could win an overall majority with less than 35%

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of the vote. Well, the deal I want to do is not with another party.

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It's with voters. It's with voters who might be tempted to vote for

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UKIP, voters who might be tempted to vote for the Labour Party or Lib

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Dems. We have to say to them if you want a referendum on Europe, if you

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want new human rights laws, to carry on with welfare reform, if you want

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more education changes of the kind you believe in, if you want a

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tougher criminal justice system you need a majority Conservative

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Government. All right. Abu Qatada back in Jordan today. The Home

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Secretary said in the aftermath of this we need to look at the European

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Court of Human Rights and nothing should be off the table, quote. But

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nothing off the table, does that include the possibility that we

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would leave the European Convention on Human Rights? Yes, it does. We

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have been very clear. We are currently doing detailed work on

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options. I have personal responsibility within the

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Ministerial team for human rights issues. We are currently looking at

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what the options are for us. I have been very clear indeed, we are not

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ruling anything in, we are not ruling anything out. I have said

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clearly at a minimum there will be a replacement for the Human Rights

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Act. We will have a fundamental change to our realise with the

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European Court of Human Rights. We cannot go on with a situation where

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we have people who want to do real damage to this country able to stay

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here, when they represent a threat to us A future Conservative

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Government with a majority, one of the options would be to leave the

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convention altogether? One of the options, I have ruled nothing in and

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out. A future Conservative Government with a majority will make

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wholesale changes to human rights laws. The problem is not the

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original convention written by Conservatives and is a sensible

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document. It's the way in which the European Courts interpret it and

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re-interpret it You can't change the convention yourself. You can't

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change it. Well, that's why we are working through detailed options and

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we will come up later this year with a clear plan. We will go to the next

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election in our manifesto with a clear plan for change that will set

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out exactly what we will do, when we will do it, how we will do it, what

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the legal basis will be. We will have that in good time for the

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election but I am absolutely clear there will be wholesale changes to

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the way that human rights laws operate in this country. I am sure

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UKIP will agree with you, but I understand there will be no deal,

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you have made that clear. Thank you for joining us. Coming up in 20

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minutes, I will be looking at the week ahead with our panel. Welcome

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to Sunday Politics Scotland. What more can be done to help those

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marooned by the system after 16? had no family down here. The Battle

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of Falkirk. Ed Miliband wants to mend the union link.

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And the social media cyber war. How Yes Scotland and Better Together

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wrestle it out in the digital world. It is a familiar story across the

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country. Young people leave the care system only to find themselves

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homeless. The Scottish Government is trying to change that through the

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Children and Young People's Bill. Some believe it does not go far

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enough. For this person the search for a

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place to call home has been difficult. Now settled with his

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partner and his daughter it is a different picture to five years ago.

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The clear unit he was placed on was closed down. Unable to go home,

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homelessness was his only option. had no family down here. I was in a

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bed and breakfast. You were not allowed to be there during the day.

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You had to be outside. I was lost. In towns and cities across the

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country thousands of people have similar stories to tell. The nature

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of homelessness means that hard and fast figures are difficult to come

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by. It is estimated that one third of Scotland's homeless population

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have spent time in care. I had two younger brothers who has

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left the care system at an early age. They were homeless. They passed

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away at the age of 18. There is a real disconnect when a young person

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has grown up in the care system and then they leave the system.

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The organisation Who Cares Scotland has supported -- has provided

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support and employment. Every person has the same aspirations. They want

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a job. They want a family. We have not given them the tools for that to

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happen. If we look at the different sources that are paying for the

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services that young people use and put that back into investing in the

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longer term. The legislation proposes to raise the age that

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support is available from 21 at 226. -- from 21 to 26. The economic sense

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of acting early is there to be seen. There are many preventive measures

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in this legislation that will help us to ensure that young people 's

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lives are positive will stop but Who Cares Scotland are not alone in

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thinking the Bill needs to go further.

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I would like to see some consideration of 16-year-olds and

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17-year-olds, the possibility that they can be received back into care.

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The Bottom Line for this person is that those leaving care in future

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should not face the same situation he did. People should be able to say

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that they need the support. It should be a baseline. Joining me now

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is the Chief Executive of Who Cares Scotland, Duncan Dunlop, and Mary

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Fee, who is on the equal opportunities to midday will stop

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and we have Marco Biagi who is also on the Equal Opportunities

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Committee. Paint a picture for us. How serious is the problem? We have

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to look at it relative to what happens to other young people. The

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average age of young people leaving home in Scotland is 26. The majority

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of people are leaving care at 16. Yet they have not had the stability

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through childhood and adolescence. The consequences of this are dire.

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We have to take this seriously. They need the right to be able to return

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to care, or stay in care until 26. As the legislation and is

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opportunity? It needs to go further. Children and Young People's Bill

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need the right to return to care or to stay in care until age 26.

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Biagi, what do you have to say about what Duncan Dunlop has been pointing

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out? The legislation has perhaps not gone far enough? The legislation

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extends the duty of corporate parenting by councils. Many of the

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most successful projects for people who have let care are those that

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have ongoing support, not simply putting them in a House, but having

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support staff that come round and help them with life skills. That

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kind of support is very important. It is being rolled out with the

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changes that are taking place. When a young person leaves care they are

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dependent on the grant that the Scottish Government has stepped in

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to protect from Westminster cuts. There is a great deal already

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happening. The legislation is a huge step already. Would you go as far as

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what Duncan Dunlop is proposing? That would give many the chance to

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go through higher education and make their way in the world. This

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legislation includes provision that local councils would have to listen

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to calls for help from these people up to the age of 26. I do not want

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to be prescriptive about the particular approach. There are a lot

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of methods of support out there. We have seen a great deal of work with

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councils, not just with people who are leaving care, but is trying to

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intervene to stop people going into care. The prevention agenda is not

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just after you leave care. It is trying to deal with difficult

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situations that can lead to an young people needing care in the first

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place. Mary Fee, on the Equal Opportunities Committee you were

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pointing out that the age should be raised to 18. What about the idea

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that the support should be there until the age of 25? It is crucial

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that the support is there until the age of 25 if that is what they

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want. Many of the young care leavers told us that 16 is too young to

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leave care. We heard harrowing story from a young person who was taken to

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temporary accommodation on his 16th birthday. He did not have the life

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skills to sustain that tenancy. What is your reaction? When politicians

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know about this issue. They now understand this issue. We are

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evolving the thinking. This legislation needs to go further. We

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have not refused the legislation. We just need to look at it in more

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detail. It is too complex. We need to compare it to what other young

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people have in their lives. They have parents who gave them. At the

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moment there are too many different relationships, different places, and

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these young people do not know who to trust. That is why going to

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another set of relationships from age 16 does not necessarily help.

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Perhaps we are lacking in support. Is there a financial issues here?

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Councils at and down the country bear the cost of having to clean up

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after terrible incidents that could have been prevented will stop --

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prevented. The kind of measures that are in the legislation will embed

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that approach. That is an approach that a lot of councils will

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appreciate. Right now there is a tight financial situation imposed on

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Scotland. It is hard to make that shift without cutting somewhere

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else, but over the long term that is a shift in service provision that

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everybody wants to see. That is not necessarily true. In the short-term

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it could be expensive. How much does it cost to put someone through the

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justice system? How much does it cost for somebody to be an employed

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and not involved in education? A preventative agenda would make

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Scotland the best place to grow up. It is a great opportunity for

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Scotland to do this. Mary Fee, are you going to press for further

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changes? I don't think the bill does go far enough. Many children leave

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the key system without the proper system. We have to look very

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carefully at corporate patenting. We should expect the same things for

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those children as we aspire to for our own children. It is a key issue

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for me. I want to ask about the Falkirk situation for the Labour

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Party at the moment. Do you think it is possible to mend a link with the

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unions? Absolutely I think it is possible. The situation in Falkirk

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is alive peace enquiry so it would be inappropriate for me to comment.

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John Hanlan and -- Joanne Lamb and has been involved in that. It is not

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just a Falkirk issue, it is a UK issue. It is a far wider issue.

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is not just a Falkirk problem, there are claims today that unite tried to

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take in the shadow Foreign Secretary when a review pitched him against

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Jim Sheridan, what do you see about that? That is ludicrous. You cannot

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compare the two situations. Clearly easily could have suffered in the

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boundary changes. A boundary changes did not go ahead and MPs would have

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been up against each other had they gone ahead. The situation is

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completely different. It is only natural when there is a selection

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process that people will come in and join the party but it is crucial we

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get the best possible people standing in seats. Thank you all for

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an interesting discussion. Since Obama's rise to office social media

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and the Internet have seen as crucial campaign tools. Better

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Together had a big change. The battle for America 2008 is the one

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to beat. With the West Wing 's dream of having a political campaign like

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that, as ground-breaking as its outcome was historic. Trucial to the

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success was the way the Obama campaign used the Internet and

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social media to get their message out and bring donations in. The

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company behind that digital effort has been advising the Better

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Together campaign ahead of Scottish independence. They had to build an

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organisation from scratch so they wait to digital to do that. Often

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the digital team is often put in the corner, in the cupboard far-away,

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decisions are made in an organisation or political campaign

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and then very close to the time I campaign is launched that gets

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involved with the digital team. The digital team in 2008 was at the top

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table. It is not just a case of talking to the Facebook is and those

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on twitter. Activists across the country are kept on message. We are

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grassroots organisation with tens of thousands of volunteers. Part of

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what we want them to do is go out and evangelise through digital

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media. Equally important is for them to talk to people face-to-face in a

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cafe, with their family, in a pub or out of it for much. Our job is to

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make sure those people have the tools they need and the information

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they need to be able to carry on those conversations in an effective

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way. Around the country I have instruct IB comments made by young

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people. There are times when politicians attempts to use social

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media go horribly wrong. Gordon Brown's intervention on the expenses

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scandal through YouTube was ridiculed for being awkward and in

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effect live. Some candidates have said stupid rings online. It is

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keeping a sense of a new self online and remembering it is for ever so if

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you are not willing to stand by it then do not see it. Some see online

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campaigning as an alternative to off-line campaigning, knocking on

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doors to you and me. But they have to get the message to new groups of

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voters. It allows us to tailor our message to different audiences and

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measured exactly how they have responded to it so we can further

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polish our messages for people. Scotland and better together insist

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they are grassroots campaigns and the referendum be won and lost in

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online communities. With online networks playing a bigger part in

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people's lives, being a wireless battle to dwell the week to win.

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With me now is social media strategist. Thank you for coming in.

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I'll be any where near the Obama level of online campaigning? Even

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the level they were wrapped in 2008? Tell Michael I think both sides

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would love to see they are in the hope that this Obama magic would rub

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off on them but in terms of gathering data, the tools are very

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similar. If the tool is available in America it is easily sent over here.

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What all sides are missing is that what works in America does not

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necessarily work in Britain. In America, Obama had local

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fundraisers, people going round to each other was Mike houses, watching

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videos of Obama and leaving donations, I do not see anyone in

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Scotland rushing round to watch a video of Nicola Sturgeon or Alistair

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Darling, it is not the same sort of politics. What is the key for this

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kind of digital strategy? Equal is in the name, it is called social

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media. -- the clue is in the name. It is not just about broadcasting

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the message. For both sides being at close and cons. They want to put

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their message out there but the beauty of social media is companies

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coming back and changing things after listening to the audience.

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They are reaching out to communities asking what the issues are at a

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local level. The big problem is, neither side is going to back down

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on anything. They do not want to be seen as looking weak or indecisive

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or have the other side jump on them. Until we have a grown-up debate

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about that EDL we will be more or less broadcasting rather than true

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social media. -- about that easier. In this day and age politicians

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should remember they are servants of the people. They should he

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reflecting the desires of the people. If people want more taxes or

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better childcare the job of the politician is to turn around and

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respond to that. It has never been easier for the politician to the act

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to the electorate. They are trying to hard to shout at people and top

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down to them instead of seeing we will do one thing and by speaking

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across Scotland we will see it as a bigger issue. That shows real change

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and maturity online. In the US last night there was a method in twitter

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that you could access slightly longer tweets and get more

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information, what is the next big thing in social media? It ends on

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the generation. For geeks like myself it is fascinating. You have

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got people 25 and up to use Facebook, Twitter, blogs, they are

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day-to-day tools now, not to much new media, just the media day use.

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Youngsters are using tools that the average politician would not know

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what it meant. It is not one tool, this is where many people struggle.

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In days gone by a few appeared on shows like this or in the Herald or

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Scotsman the coverage was done. Now it is a multi-fragmented platform.

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The tools that need to be brought into day have to be used in weeks up

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to the election. It is still a year away. You do not know what will

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happen. The minute you win the election you start planning for the

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next one, this has been the longest one in history for people to know.

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With social media editors normally done quickly, 15 seconds, this is

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something where people have a real chance to build relationships over

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the long haul. You have to synchronise the online and off-line

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campaign? Yes, it is one big connected world now. Thank you for

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coming in to talk to us, really interesting to speak to you. Now you

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are watching Sunday politics Scotland, after the news it might be

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recess but that does not mean it has been a quiet week in politics. I

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will be joined by my guests from the Herald and times to discuss more

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about what has been in the news and a little sporting event that is

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coming up this afternoon. Now we have the news and Reporting

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Scotland. Good afternoon. The radical Muslim cleric Abu could had

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has arrived in Jordan after being deported from Britain. He has been

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taken to court in Amman this morning. That brings to an end eight

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years of legal wrangling. Applicant had on his way out of Britain. For

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years people have wanted to see this site but he frustrated them. A new

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decision meant he could be put on a plane to Jordan where he has twice

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been convicted in his absence of terror plots. I was absolutely

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delighted. This is something this government said it would get done

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and we have got it done. It is an issue that, like the rest of the

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country, it has made my blood boil. This man who had no right to be in

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our country and who was a threat to our country, that it has taken so

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long to deport him. Now he is back in Jordan, that is excellent news.

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Now the government wants to change the rules that made him so difficult

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to deport. They want fewer appeals in cases. You want a fundamental

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change in Britain's relationship with the European Court of human

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rights which the claim for delaying this case. One of the options would

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be to have nothing more to do with this court. We need to ensure we

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protect human rights and this country has a fine record in

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relation to the protection of human rights but we do want to make sure

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that when there is somebody in this country who is dangerous and who

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poses a threat, that we are able to remove them. With him finally landed

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in Jordan how best to achieve that balance will be contested and the

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world will watch to see whether he gets the fair trial here promised by

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the officials in Jordan and expected by British politicians. Place in

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Canada say they expect the number of casualties to rise after a tanker

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train was derailed and exploded in a small-town intubate. Dozens remain

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unaccounted for. More than 2000 people have been evacuated. The

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train was carrying crude oil when it apparently started to roll away

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after being parked by its driver. Andy Murray will attempt to win his

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second title this afternoon. All tickets have been sold but many

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queued overnight in the hope of watching the game on the big screen

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inside. That is all the news for the moment. We will have more news at

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half past seven tonight. Good afternoon. As you have healing Andy

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Murray takes on Novak Jaco bitch in the main's singles at Wimbledon

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tonight. -- Novak Jaco bitch. Our reporter was at the all England

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club. It is quickly -- pretty quiet year on centre court right now. Andy

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Murray will step out in front of 15,000 fans. If he wins he will make

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history. Standing in his way is the best player on the planet. The world

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number one has won most of his meetings. The last time they met it

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was Murray who took the honours. Labour leader Ed Milli band has

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dismissed rumours he wants to end their relationship between the party

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and the trade unions. First Minister Alex Salmond has accused Scottish

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Labour leader Johann Lamont of being silent on the issue while her party

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has imploded. has imploded.

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Time for the weather Dry bright and sunny across most of the country.

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Any cloud in the south tending to break. Slightly cooler further

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break. Slightly cooler further north. That is the forecast. I will

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now hand you back to Andrew. In a moment we will be discussing

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the big stories, but first let us its 65th anniversary this week. --

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the NHS celebrated. The MP Tom Watson left as the Labour

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general election court it. The right to buy council houses at a

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discount will be scrapped by 2017. Glasgow lost out in its bid to host

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the youth Olympic games 2018. We are proof that the men who died

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in July 1980 are not forgotten. The 25th anniversary of the Piper Alpha

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Labour's troubles in Falkirk have dominated the news and will no doubt

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play a big role in the week ahead. I am now joined by Lindsay McIntosh

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and Robbie Dinwoodie. Good afternoon. Thank you for joining me.

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We will get straight to the top story that is dominating the

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headlines. Ed Miliband is set on reform.

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It has been a disastrous week for Labour. It is not going away any

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time soon. The more that Ed Miliband wants to put this behind him the

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harder it gets because he is simply pushing the unions away. This is the

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labour movement. It is not easy to separate it out. Lord Reid was

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talking about this ideological divide earlier. It looks like this

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is a war that will continue. It is a battle for the soul of the Labour

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Party that is going on here. They have to modernise in order to see

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that's all. Labour has been successful in the past decade or so

:08:22.:08:31.

when they have taken a centrist approach. We cannot have this lurch

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back to union control. It is not going to fly. Do you think that Ed

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Miliband can mend the link with the unions? He has to make sure that

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more moderate trade union leaders are on his side. At the same time

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they have to be very weary of accepting everything that has

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happened and austerity because ordinary people are beginning to see

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that enough is enough. That is the two tensions that are pulling at

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him. We have been seeing a lot of Johann Lamont in the newspapers

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today. She has been portrayed as a puppet in the press. She has been

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quiet on this issue. We have not seen much of her in the past week.

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She has not come out on this issue at all. It is an issue for the UK

:09:30.:09:38.

party, but Johann Lamont has made much of the fact that she is in

:09:38.:09:42.

control of the Scottish party. We do need to see her upfront. I believe

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she is doing a lot behind the scenes, but she should come out and

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say that. Does this call her leadership into question? It does

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not call her leadership into question. That I am baffled by the

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tactics. If, as Labour claimed, she is at one with Ed Miliband on this

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and has been having conversations every step of the way, why has this

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statement is not reflected that? Why have not been comments issued in the

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name of Johann Lamont? For her to be completely silent strikes me.

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Headline about the Unite union. There is the review of the boundary

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Commission coming up. Jim Sheridan is portrayed as the man likely to

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take the seat. Labour spokesperson has said something that I even

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mention on here. United deny that anything untoward happens. This is

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not on the same scale as Falkirk at all. But the fact that they were

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willing to take on Alexander suggests that they are pretty

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confident and pretty keen to seize power of this party. The Unite union

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denied the allegation in the article. Are there are further

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problems ahead for its Miller band? There is talk of this happening in

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40 seats? If two constituencies had been merged then you should not be

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surprised that some people will side with one and some will side with

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another. What happened in Falkirk was different. Back in February

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there was bleated vote rigging. -- there was clear vote rigging. This

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is a controversy that is not going away.

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And what some may call and artists impression of Andy Murray. Perhaps

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history can be made this afternoon? It would be brilliant to have a

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Scottish winner, a British winner. It would be great. He deserves it.

:12:42.:12:48.

It is a brutal sport. It would be great if he did it. If he does not

:12:48.:12:53.

do it this time I think he and Novak Djokovic will dominate for the next

:12:53.:13:00.

few years. And I am sure your colleagues will be heading to

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Dunblane. It would be great to have a winner from there. They are very

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proud of him. Any political reverberations if a Scottish man

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wins Wimbledon? I doubt it. I am not a great believer that sporting

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events have a political knock-on effect. Are they not often tied in?

:13:31.:13:38.

Yes they are. Both sides try to make capital out of it. But we try to

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Political magazine presented by Andrew Neil and Andrew Kerr.


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