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Morning, folks. Welcome to the Sunday Politics timewarp edition!


It's back to the '70s, as Britain faces the threat of power blackouts.


We'll ask the Energy Minister how he will keep the lights on. And


it's back to the '80s with Labour, as right clash with left amid


claims that comrades at Unite are trying to take the party over from


the inside. We go to Falkirk where it has all been kicking off.


And if you got a P45 tomorrow, could you wait a week for welfare?


That is the Government's plan. But is it fair? The two sides go head


to head. And in Scotland: the actor Brian


Cox will be live in the studio to talk about playing a politician on


Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1681 seconds


the small screen versus getting If people have no savings, they can


go -- they can get help. There is a massive increase in the use of the


banks. There are six jobseekers for every vacancy. Taking away money


from people will not make it easy. That is scaremongering. When people


first Gaiman to -- when we first Sweden's benefits are three times


as generous. We have some of the least generous benefits in the EU.


In Scandinavia, using the social security system does not leave a


person destitute in the way that benefits in the UK do. Let me


interrupt you. Let me show you what the TaxPayers' Alliance has said.


We think the Government is doing excellent work on welfare reform,


particularly in times of making work pay. But there is one concern


we have. There is this idea that it will dissuade people from taking on


work. It is something that needs to I do not believe it will. A bug is


not logical you would not look for temporary work again very quickly?


Would that not be logical in this position? You would wait to be able


to sign on, would you not? I think it depends on how we make sure we


get the detail right on this. already have a three-day wait.


point about the seven-day wait policy is it will do what Labour


and the Conservatives want to avoid in the benefits system, of which is


make it less attractive for people who are already living on the


breadline seeking work to take on the short term contracts which are


the only work people can find. Balls was prepared to go along with


it. At every focus group disagrees with the government and the


opposition. It seems it is politicians who do not have any


idea of what is going on. Is it worth looking at the nasty party


again? I have built a business where we lived on the breadline for


the first 12 months because we had to use credit cards to keep the


business going. That is not the same as being on the minimum wage.


But the idea that you think about work first is a good one. People


who do not have jobs think about work 247, and making them more


could has no way to help them into jobs that aren't there. Where are


the jobs you are creating? Coming up in 20 minutes, I will be


Welcome to Sunday Politics Scotland. Coming up: BMA award-winning actor


Brian Cox will be live in the studio. -- the in the award-winning


actor. They 200th bill of the Scottish


parliament has been signed by the Queen, but how has Holyrood


performed in the 14 years? What's cuts and hard choices as austerity


continues. Austerity showed how the UK


continues to struggle. George Osborne's failure to cut the


deficit in time ironically means he has locked down Labour into hard


choices. I have been digesting what the Chancellor set out.


It was not any old Aga. It was a luxury bar go. -- burger. The


Chancellor set out �11.5 billion of cuts for 2015/2016. It looks as if


Labour will stick to the spending plans if they regain power. As a


consequence of the UK Chancellor choosing to ring-fence or keep NHS


and not award it any supportive allegation, that support Scotland


because every penny in England, Scotland gets its Barnett formula


consequence O'Shea's. Critic point out that it is a


shrinking portion. In capital Part of the challenge for people


looking at the numbers regularly is it is not absolutely clear quite


what big net position is going to be. It is clear Scotland has been


given additional borrowing capacity but it is not clear whether a but


as a supporting capital spend. it is not clear where it will go.


Will it go here? Anyone who wants to take forward a serious programme


of beneficial reform has to recognise the importance of taking


the workforce with a us. And walked off George Osborne's beefburger?


Maybe it ended up in the bin, like his growth figures.


Joining me is Stewart Hosie, and in Aberdeen Sir Malcolm Bruce, and in


Glasgow I am joined by Labour Shadow Treasury Minister Cathy


Jamieson. Good morning. First of you, -- first of all, over


to you, Sir Malcolm Bruce. He borrows more than he intends to,


and does not inspire a growth. He is the static Chancellor. What we


know as the previous Labour government presided over the


biggest collapse in the industrial capacity, economic capacity, since


the war. It has been difficult to try to rebuild that. There are some


signs of recovery beginning to creep in, but the truth is we have


not had to deal with the deficit, but we have also cut taxes by


raising the tax threshold and increased pensions. That is part of


the reason why we have not been able to cut the death -- cut the


deficit as much as we wish. Stewart Hosie, Scotland is not having the


same luck. The resource budget has been cut by less than the rest of


the country. It is �333 million, even though it is only 2%. That is


in addition to the 6.5% cut we had in the last spending review, and in


addition to the capital cut we hadn't the last spending review. In


terms of capital spend, the conventional capital allocation is


down. The so-called extra money is loans that have agreed in the


Scotland Act, and funny Money financial transactions in the


Budget. As part of George Osborne's ongoing narrative, he has failed so


far in. There is not that money available for capital spending. The


Scottish Government have new borrowing powers, so perhaps they


can be used to fund new projects. The Scottish futures trust has been


slow in getting on and making new project happen. I am sure the new


borrowing powers will be used, but the capital programme in Scotland


remains unchanged at to 0.5 billion. -- 2.5. Cathy Jamieson, a lot of


people said the Spending Review was a political shade but there to put


Labour into a cocked hat. -- charade. It has been frustrating


this week to try to find out what is Labour's position on borrowing?


It is unclear. First of all, the spending review has come about as a


direct result of the Chancellor and Prime Minister being unable to


deliver on what they said they would do in terms of getting the


deficit down. They are borrowing more than they said they would, and


the impact is being felt across the UK with people feeling their living


standards squeezed. We will face some difficult times in 2015 if we


are back in government. There is no doubt about that. We will look at


the overall spending plans and live within that for the first year, but


we have not ruled out the option of borrowing for investment. We


believe the Chancellor should have brought forward some of the


infrastructure projects now, rather than waiting another two years down


the line. So Labour would borrow more? This is the problem because


people are saying, will you or want you? What we are saying is we will


in order to be responsible, keep within the overall spending limit,


but we have not ruled out bringing forward additional investment plans


for borrowing if that is the right thing to do, but we will not be


borrowing to pay for day-to-day expenditure because they have


failed to get growth backed into the economy. This has also been


called an opportunity for John -- George Osborne. Would you expect


people to wait seven days before people can claim benefits? We have


made some massive reforms to tax, cutting 24 million people stacks


and boosting pensions by the biggest level ever, and ensuring


non-work related benefits are protected as part of the difficulty


we have in getting the deficit down. Growth has not been coming forward


us we would have wished. But those who say that we should spend our


way out of this should be careful of what the markets might do and


what it might do to interest rates. They should also recognise that


where there is growth beginning to come back in the oil and gas sector,


that instead of knocking it, they should encourage it. Building


confidence is the best way to build growth. Stewart Hosie, maybe you


have to rein in spending, and Mr Swinney gave me that clear hint on


Wednesday that the automatic pay increase would not be ended in


Scotland for civil servants. Any news on that? I think his hint was


strong enough. In terms of what Malcolm said, if there is good news,


I welcome it. We have got to understand that this Government are


planning to cut �155 billion a year out of the economy in tax rises and


cuts. The proportion of cuts to tax rises is four-to-one. That means


the Government are planning to rebalance the books on the back of


the poor, in a way that they do so much consumption out of the economy


that he is trying to cut his way to growth. The debate within the


government was that Conservatives wanted to cut for the the welfare


budgets but the Liberal Democrats refused to do it. -- to cut further.


Cathy Jamieson, Stewart Hosie was pointing out the changes to welfare.


Many Labour supporters would be horrified at what Ed Balls is it


said thing. -- accepting. We will need to look at the money we have


available and make it fairer. We have not said we will take any


action that will put more people in the hands of the loan sharks. The


present government can not have it all ways. At the same time, they


are giving tax breaks to millionaires, which does not see


sensible. Let us look to another item making the news today. It is


the latest paper from the UK Treasury. Sir Malcolm Bruce, it has


been claimed that Scots may have to face roaming charges if there is


independence on the mobile phones. A Tory MP says some of the


arguments against independence are becoming silly. Some of them are


real. If you have a single market and break it up there are potential


consequences that could increase costs. I have not seen this paper,


but I think it is suggesting that breaking up the single market in


telecommunications and broadband could have implications. If you


remove the Universal Postal Service from Scotland because you take


Scotland out of the UK, the chances are you will not be able to send a


package or a letter from John o'Groats to Land's End for next-day


delivery at a flat rate. You cannot do it between Ireland and the UK.


There are real issues here which need to be considered. It is like


unscrambling an omelette. There are a lot of difficulties. Stewart


Hosie, Sir Malcolm picks out the wider issue that if there is


independence there could be difficulties with Telecom


indications and the postal service. This is just more scaremongering


nonsense. Let us look at the issues in the story. We have higher mobile


phone charges which the European Union are about to outlaw. And


between a liberal, a Tory and Labour MSP, they signed up to the


Scottish Parliament motion welcoming that. This is simply


wrong. In relation to the Post Office, the only threat comes from


UK governments. These people have shut 400 post offices in the last


10 years. Hang on, be protected them. 400 have been closed! There


will be a proper postal service in Scotland, and we will do everything


we can to preserve this. Roaming charge is about to go. This is a


rather silly scare story from the project fear people. The good news


is no one is listening to them any more. There are serious issues that


Scotland want answers to. John Swinney says one thing in public


while the work he is doing in the background says something else.


People deserve answers on pensions, passports and a whole range on


other a dash of other thing is. want to pick up another final issue.


Scottish Labour's financial spokesperson was sacked in the


latest reshuffle. He said about Johann Lamont, disagreements we may


have run the direction in which the party is headed. Is there a war


within the party? No, Johann Lamont has a good team of people around


her, now look forward to working with her. -- I look forward. I


Note one Scotland 's most famous exports. Brian Cox has come a long


way from his career started in Dundee. He has spoken at the launch


of the Yes campaign. I have got a few parasites on me. There are few


people wanting to take me for a ride and maybe there are few trying to


send me to the glue factory. This was Brian Cox working in his native


Dundee for the first time in decades. He took on the role of a


self-styled people 's champion. Campaigning in his unique style as


an independent candidate in a by-election. The city of Dundee has


played a big part in shaping Brian Cox 's outlook and continues to have


a strong influence on his beliefs. He now lives in America where he has


gone on to establish himself as one of Scotland 's greatest actors. But


despite his Hollywood success, he is increasingly drawn back to Scotland.


He retains a keen interest in issues here. Recently he gave his backing


to the equal marriage legislation and he is a firm supporter of


independence for Scotland, describing himself as a democratic


socialist he spoke at the launch of the Yes Scotland campaign. we have


arrived at the moment to realise our potential. Please, let us not


wasted. so, can we expect to see and hear more of Brian Cox in Scotland


over the next 12 months? I am elated to see that Brian Cox


joins me live in the studio. -- delighted. You grew up in Dundee.


Did you ever imagine how your career would end up? not a clue. It has


been such a surprise. The irony is that when I was a kid I used to look


at the River Tay and think, I want to get over there. Now I come the


other way and think, I cannot wait to get back on the Dundee side. I


had no idea. But it was important for you to go down to London when


you were quite young to get your career going. It is very


different... We are talking 50 years ago. It was a very different world.


Scotland really has... I do not think that people really realise how


much Scotland has come into its own in the last 50 years. When I was a


child it was very much in North Britain. It was post-Warren and it


was tough for everybody. Then there was this great period of social


mobility in the 1960s and I was a product of that myth of social


mobility and so I went to study my craft. -- that atmosphere of social


mobility. London was the same distance to me as Glasgow was, so I


went there and had a great time studying. and then things took off


in Hollywood. yes, they did. I did not go to Hollywood until I was


nearly 50. I always wanted to do movies. That was my influence as a


child. Dundee was historically known as having more cinemas than any


other town in Scotland. At one time in my life I visited all of them.


That was the kind of actor I wanted to be, it wanted to be a film actor.


And then I realised that because I worked in the theatre, I started


work at the Dundee Rep. There was talk about the British film


industry. There was a television industry, but there was never a film


industry as such. I decided to make the move to America in the mid-19


90s. You are being drawn to Scotland more. What attracts you to the


Scottish roles? You still have the Hollywood career. His work dried up?


In Scottish culture, the East Coast does not get represented very well.


There is not a lot of east coast humour. East Coast tumour is very


different from West Coast humour. We have seen all the great West Coast


comedians but there was never anything about the East and Dundee.


It is a very particular, surreal kind of humour. The writer is from


Broughty Ferry and he seemed to capture something extraordinary.


saw you speak at the launch of the Yes campaign, where I saw you


describe yourself as a democratic socialist. Do you have any


particular attachment to a party? You are in favour of independence of


course. I am not. I'm very much not a Scottish Nationalists did they


think that people should see the issue in terms of... I think that


people get confused. We're not talking about Scottish National is,


we are talking about Scottish independence. They are two entirely


different issues. It happens that the Scottish Nationalists have taken


up the pattern, but I come from a social democratic position. I come


from a position of experience. I lived in London for 40 years. It is


living in the south and seeing what has happened in England. I am a


federalist. I watched Leslie Redeker put weeks ago. I was impressed with


what she said about that. How do you think that the Yes campaign has


performed over the last year? doing relatively well. But on both


campaigns, the no campaign, there is a lot of fear being thrown out which


is needless. I think we have tried to be honest in the Yes campaign. We


do not tell lies. I was watching a clip of you in Braveheart. It is


very much the nationalism of the heart as opposed to the head. How


can you attract people to independence, head or heart, what


makes the difference? It has to be a balance of both. We balance our


ahead and our heart. Life is made up that way. The whole thing of


Scottish independence has come to me... I was never for that when I


was a child. I was never for that in my 20s. But having seen how the poor


have got poor and the rich have got richer and that seems to be across


these islands, I think it is time to start again and I think an


independent Scotland as a way of starting again. It is also something


which is about the particular as well as about the general. I am an


internationalist, but I believe in their particular element of what


Scottish independence represents. was when you went to London that you


felt that you were a Scot? really feel it, I was from Dundee.


That is very different from being a Scot! But going there, I suddenly


realised what Scotland was about. I loved my time in London, but even


now living in London, it is a great place, but we have become so focused


on London. The healthiest thing for it Great Britain would be to have a


parliament that was not based in London but was based somewhere else.


We are heading to the news in a moment. Then we will look at the 200


act of Swiss Scottish Parliament becoming law. -- of the Scottish


Parliament. What has Holyrood ever done for you? No time for the news.


between Pakistan and Afghanistan was of vital importance. He said that


Britain and Pakistan had a shared interest in establishing a stable,


peaceful and democratic Afghanistan. the friends of Pakistan are friends


of Britain. Enemies of Pakistan are enemies of Britain. We will stand


together and conduct this fight against extremism and terrorism


together. I have assured Prime Minister Cameron of our firm resolve


to promote the objective of a stable and peaceful Afghanistan. So that


those currently living in Pakistan can return with honour and dignity.


David Cameron also hopes his visit here will provide more opportunities


for British businesses. Building on the historic and cultural ties


between the two countries. He has announced a new goal of �3 billion


in bilateral trade by 2015. There have been press accusations


about the extent of spying by America 's National Security


Agency, this time involving the European Union. The former CIA


contractor Edward Snowden told a German newspaper that millions of


German phone calls have been monitored, as well as e-mails. Today


marks the first anniversary of President Mohammed Morsi 's election


in Egypt. There is predicted to be demonstrations in support and


against his leadership. The Rolling Stones and their legions


of fans are recovering this morning after they completed their first


ever appearance at the Glastonbury Festival.


The band played for over two hours, with the Glastonbury organiser


describing it as his highlight of the 43 years of organising the


event. The three-day festival ends this weekend.


Good morning. The UK government is to claim that Scottish independence


with lead to more phone users here facing higher bills. In his


statement looking at the impact of a Yes vote, it raises the possibility


of Scottish callers facing roaming fees when they visit England. It is


also claimed that independence could threaten postal services and rope


broadband position. Scottish consumers benefit from UK wide


postal and telephone networks. We know that it costs more to provide


the services to rural areas, but across the UK we benefit from


economies of scale and spreading that cost. An independent Scotland


would have a higher proportion of rural, sparsely populated areas, and


so the cost of posting a letter or your mobile phone bills could go up.


to terror bills are due to be demolished in Dundee today. They


have stood at the top of the city 's held town for 40 years. Nearby homes


have been evacuated and 20 wrote in the area have been closed. The


congregation at St Martin's Episcopal Church which stands


between the two buildings are worshipping elsewhere today. Time


afternoon and with that comes outbreaks of rain for western


Scotland. Turning more sherry for the afternoon, elsewhere some


brightness getting through. The best of it across Aberdeenshire and


Angus. That will lift temperatures up to new 20 Celsius.


More in the early evening News at 6:50pm.


Brian Cox is still with me in the studio. We have done your career,


your politics. One series that fascinated me over Christmas was


looking at opium, whiskey and sugar in Scotland. Things that have


brought a lot of wealth to this country, but a lot of ill-health as


well. Sugar in particular. We are all becoming a nation of diabetics.


What appals me, and this is on a recent visit, when I visited my home


Hospital in Dundee, I went and had my tests with the chief scientist of


Scotland, Arnold friend of mine. He did my eye tests and feet tests and


my tests for diabetes. Then went down to the shops in the hospital


and they are selling the most appallingly high sugar stuff. On the


one hand you have this health going on and in the basement there is


Christ casting the people out of the temple. What is going on? All of


this rubbish that is being served up. It is our diet. We do not pay


enough attention to ever doubt. series was hugely informative. He


were looking at the effect of whiskey as well and the way that


alcoholism has spread throughout Scotland. You exploit that in the


series. Timmy whisky is very honest because it has a social base to it.


It is this move from being very... We moved almost overnight from an


agrarian to an industrial culture. People still have a farming


mentality. They removed out to big flats in cow cartons and places like


that. Suddenly alcoholism went through the roof and the Temperance


movement, which was an amazing movement at the time, we have only


just got -- caught up with it. have been here, there and


everywhere. But when you come back to Scotland do you see a nation that


is changing? I see a nation that is extraordinary. I am so proud of this


country. I am so proud of the way it has moved in last 40 or 50 years. It


has done phenomenally. Just in terms of itself and its own identity. It


is more itself than it ever was. It was not like that when I was a kid.


I am very proud of it, I'm very proud to be Scottish. Will BBC more


review in Scotland? Anything else coming up? I will be doing some


stuff here and in Shetland. I am really looking forward to that.


detective series. I am going to do a spot on that. I like being back here


and working. But the great thing for me is that I have been elected for


another three years as director of Dundee University. The University is


one of the big things in my life and it is something I'm really dedicated


to. When it comes to the referendum, will you be voting? I cannot fault.


I cannot thought, sadly. I would board, you know how I would thought.


That I just want all of these fears to be evaporated. There are a lot of


people fear mongering. I think that independence is the way forward, not


just for us but for the size as well. It has been a pleasure


speaking to you. 14 years after it was first


established, the Scottish Parliament this week celebrated the passing of


its 200th act. The Forth Road Bridge Act became law according to the


usual conventions. The milestone offered politicians are chance to


reflect on Holyrood 's records. in a week when the new Queensbury


Crossing has enjoyed the limelight, its neighbour was in the limelight


too. The Great Seal of Scotland has not changed much in 800 years and


this is a key stage. Pouring the hot wax into these moulds, waiting for


it to set, ready to be applied to the document. Over the course of two


hours the delicate work continued towards its conclusion. The moment


that the heavy mould is removed is the moment that the act becomes law,


maintaining strong links with the past. the seal has been used in its


current form since 1707 at the union of the Parliaments. Before that it


would have been used by the monarch in Scotland. After 1707 at Kendall


declined. Since the Scottish Parliament it has been used much


more. Legislation has influenced most aspects of Scottish life, from


the legal system to the environment. Act that brought about the smoking


ban and free personal care for the elderly. The Presiding Officer who


was there at the beginning of the Parliament believes that there have


been great advantages. the only thing is that there is no revising


chamber. That is something that is on some legislation, there needs to


be sunset clauses on some legislation so that after three or


four years it his to come back to parliament for approval before it


can continue. Another bone of contention comes from the SNP 's


convincing victory. the Parliament was designed so that a minority


government could not rule. democratic will of the SNP


Government of the Scottish people chose the SNP Government. We have


always come to a consensual view, which has included constructive


criticism and recommendations for the Scottish Government.


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