23/06/2013 Sunday Politics Scotland


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Sunday interview. And a group of 40 right wingers are hankering for a

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Margaret Thatcher of equality. They also want to bring back hanging. And

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here in Scotland: As George prepares to wield the axe again, is the UK

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really moving from rescue to recovery and what effect will the

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1872 seconds

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my parents did think it was a home for life. Luckily they were always

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in work and did not rely on benefits. Nobody knows when they

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take a council house that they will at some stage depend on the benefit

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system. Using the benefit system to socially engineered the housing

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stock is the wrong way round. What we need to do is build more houses.

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The anther is to build more houses. Hopefully this government will get

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the message. If you did not do attend the last 15 years why would

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you do it next time? I am pushing the government to do that. It is

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also about building the right houses that we need. People's expectations

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have gone up, people want to bedrooms, two bathrooms that sort of

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thing. When someone falls out of work or has health problems that

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means they cannot work the might then become dependent on housing

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benefit and using housing benefit to manipulate this is not the right way

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forward. What you do is simply punish the people for the economic

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situation the add-in. You are just the people? With respect, my

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grandparents have gone from having four children and their hose to

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living alone, the housing need has changed and why shouldn't they be

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encouraged to liberate that house for a family to have the same

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privilege they did? I was encouraged by what you said about perhaps being

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more positive. Really we should be working at that. Where local

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authorities have not, we need to look at the housing benefit system

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to incentivise. What about someone's grandparents, what

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incentive is there for them when they are family have gone to move to

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a smaller place? For the pensioner couple the incentive is a nice house

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in a nice area that is cheaper to heat and easier to keep but

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sometimes that does need to be sold to people. You housing benefit

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changes do not affect that pensioner couple, they are still stuck in the

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four-bedroom house and it is less likelihood of them being moved

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simply because the one-bedroom flats they might have moved into our being

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taken up by the people who are of working age. What about people who

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have lived in DC media dear Paul lives and later in life, in the

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mid-60s and 70s you want them to move? Their whole network is there.

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If you have worked in the same area for 40 years that is your home and

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you have root beer. If the taxpayer is going to continue to pay the bill

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for your rent you have no incentive which is why we have to use carrots

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as well as state. And is it your feeling that Labour will reverse

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this policy if they win this election? I would certainly hope

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they would look at the policy again. The problem as some people will have

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moved, some will have only years, I cannot imagine a future government

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writing off all sorts of years it will depend where we are in a few

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years time. You are watching the Sunday politics. Hello and welcome

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to Sunday Politics Scotland. Coming up on the programme: The Chancellor

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is sketching out his spending plans as we speak, what will the impact on

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Scotland be and is the economy really healing? A show of strength

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from the SNP in Aberdeen Donside, what was the message from voters in

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the Granite city? The main negotiator in the spending round has

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been the Lib Dem's Alexander. -- Danny Alexander. The Chief Secretary

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to the Treasury has been cajoling ministers to offer up departmental

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savings for 2015, partly because the plan to cut the deficit is taking

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longer than expected. You have my commitment that we will not let up.

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I will fit out the spending plans and with tough negotiating by the

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Chief Secretary those plans are almost complete. Are they not? Did

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our more difficult decisions. There have to be. When the country is

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living way beyond its means. So George or Jeffrey will tell MPs the

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detail on Wednesday. Whatever the outcome, there will be implications

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for the Scottish Government's spending plans for the period

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following next year's independence referendum. Our Westminster

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correspondent Tim Reid reports. It is the same for almost anyone trying

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to earn a living nowadays. From those busking outside the window of

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the Chancellor to those in every form of government. The austerity

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theme, the tight rein on public spending and the coalition cuts,

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much criticised, will have many more years to run. It will have an impact

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on what Scotland gets. Money will be allocated to the English NHS and

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English schools and they can spend that as they wish, they will also

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get cuts in public services and then they will have to meet the growing

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decisions about how they want to eat cuts across different services. In

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Scotland in the last spending round the cuts were similar in Scotland.

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Britain will go in an historic new direction of hope and unity and

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common purpose. It is not quite how the coalition partners had hoped

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when the promised to wipe out the deficit by 2015. This is not just

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about finding savings but about making the right choices for the

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future of this country. We are on track to do that. Every department

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here in Whitehall has been negotiating its budget in recent

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weeks. Some have in doing it find close borders like the Treasury but

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the Scotland office have been offering up to 70% cuts and then

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there is the MOD. The Prime Minister has said it will be no more manpower

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cuts there at least. We were promised a bigger army, navy and air

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force but the fact is they have cut of the forces. We do not know what

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will happen in the future of the Armed Forces we will just have to

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wait and see what is announced. At the moment it is significant

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scepticism over the government and its promises. The public no longer

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believe. It is up to the Scottish government how to spend it back �1

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billion government budget but it could be hundreds of millions lost

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from the coffers. Infrastructure projects to boost the economy still

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do not stop concerns about the next round of cuts. It could be a

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detrimental impact on Scotland while removing the room to manoeuvre. It

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could influence unemployment figures throughout the UK. The Chancellor is

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also calculating that they will pile political pressure on Labour ahead

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of the next election to see whether they will match these cuts or not.

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In Scotland, before then, there is the small matter of an independence

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referendum. Could the prospect of more public spending cuts prepaid --

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persuade Scotland to pack its banks will be hopes of an economic revival

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help to keep Britain as one? Now we have assembled our own brains trust

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to analyse this now. Joining me now from our Edinburgh studio is

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Professor of Management at Queen Margaret University, Richard Kerley,

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and in the studio, the economist Jo Armstrong, Honorary Professor at the

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Adam Smith Business School at Glasgow University and also

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Professor of Economics at Stirling University, David Bell. Now we hear

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epic row is going on with Vince cable at the moment but I believe

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defence was agreed last night? believe most departments have

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reached agreements. The Treasury has a target to meet. The government,

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Prime Minister and Chancellor are behind that target. They may be

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politics but essentially the Treasury will get its way in the

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end. What is the Chancellor hoping to do with growth? There are some

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reports in the papers today about a long-term infrastructure plan.

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Clearly he has defined different routes to make sure the current

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growth we are seeing is sustained and takes off. He is looking to use

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infrastructure as one means of doing that, hopefully not just through

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dead boring but also encouraging the private sector to invest. There has

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been criticism that he has not done enough to boost growth. He has

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talked of measures to finance of public money but the devil is in the

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detail and they have not taken off. He has two find a way quickly and

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one obvious way to boost investment with the around housing. He could do

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quite a lot through housing. Talking about the devil being in the detail,

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when it comes to Scotland, it can be tricky to work out the

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consequential, Mr Swinney will have his work cut out on Wednesday, will

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he not? The big picture emerges on the day but the fine detail of that

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only runs out over a period of time. The point was well made in Europe

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bought. It is a matter for John Swinney and the Scottish government

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today ordered the figure they get in a way they think is appropriate.

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They are going to have a bigger level of production. The top end is

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going to be a deduction but then it is a matter for the Scottish

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government on how that applies that and redirects resources. I worry

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that the Chancellor is still fiddling around with the combination

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of immediate measures such as the housing project he introduced a

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while ago. That only adds to house price inflation. We are not making

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progress on the big infrastructure projects that have promised. As the

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money heads north to Edinburgh isn't always obvious way that is going?

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You spoke about student support. Were there hidden there or like

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that? It is difficult to track from one year to the next exactly how any

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government is shifting money around but the outcome of the Barnett

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consequential is is open to the Scottish government to manipulate in

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whatever way it chooses. It sometimes produces some unexpected

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results in terms of the impact on particular budgets. Education here

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benefited a couple of years ago from some changes that were made to the

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system in England in particular, relating to the introduction of

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student fees for higher education. The NHS and overseas development

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have impacts here in Scotland but when it comes to protecting these

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budgets is there a sense that if you was budgets perhaps the economy

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would benefit the cause you could tackle inefficiencies? It is

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difficult to understand in a world where everybody is having to take

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cuts, inhale fund schools down south, that people are being ring

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fenced. No demand is growing in health so the budget is effective

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and demand is rising but if you're not seeing cash cuts you start to

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question whether you can justify that. By capping health you are

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effectively cutting other budgets between five and 10%. Debt is still

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rising. There was not good news on Friday. Are we seeing these elusive

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clean sheet -- green shoots of the economy healing and getting into

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recovery? In 2004 the UK had one of the lowest debt free shows in the

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developing -- developed world. It is now hitting 80% of GDP. Almost all

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the political parties accept something has to be done about that

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because coming down the track are big changes in the democracy of the

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UK and that will inevitably put further upward pressure on debt

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going forward. I think it is some consensus. The Labour Party seem to

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be coming along with the notion that borrowing limits will have to be

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adhered to over the future. This goes beyond the next election and

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well into possibly the next decade that government spending is a sheer

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of the overall pot in the economy. That will be expected to be

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declining. On a steady tea, the teeming parties almost agree. -- on

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posterity the three main parties almost agree -- posterity. --

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austerity. I am not sure there is a night peak of consensus. -- an

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outbreak of consensus. The Argent is how the huge government budget is

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deployed ostensibly. Universally headlines on the radio this morning

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was about whether the Chancellor is falling into the classic first of

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fiddling around the edges and trying to lock pleasant surprises out of a

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complex and generally depressing situation. They claim he is planning

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to redirect money from banks to helping injured service people, that

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seems to me the worst kind of election needing rather than a

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considered view of how we try to get together and the anaemic growth we

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are experiencing. We do not actually know why, at least in employment

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terms, things have seemed to be better in Scotland and else where in

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the United Kingdom. It is very hard to determine whether it is the

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actions of the Scottish government, the UK government or just

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circumstantial in the broader economy. If you look at the spending

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cuts, we still have more coming. It is not like he has a lot of

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manoeuvre around electioneering. If he is trying to keep the markets

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happy, if they thinks we are keeping debt interest level is low, he has

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got to find good news. At the moment the news is all those things I have

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described. Thank you for joining me. It wasn't an upset in the campaign

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did not set the heather alight. The Aberdeen Donside by-election came

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and went and now the SNP when is now safely in his seat. Labour also

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blame progress. We have been looking at the swings and roundabouts in

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Aberdeen. It was the by-election that sent

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driver sent -- round in circles. This notorious roundabout at times

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felt like all everyone was talking about. It did not send the voters

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and spend. Only 39% turned out to vote. Mark McDonald, subnational --

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Scottish National Party. Those who dared, voted for the SNP's

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candidate. It was a clear victory in what was her historical Labour seat.

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Brian Adam had a majority in the seat. He worked as MSP for 25 years.

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They have placed their trust in me. I will be a strong local champion

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for Aberdeen Donside. All smiles after the results were given time to

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sink in. The reality is the Nationalists lost vote but it is

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still seen as a good vote. The SNP is halfway through a second term in

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government. The SNP not only won this by-election but we did some

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pretty comfortably. The SNP do retain a clear majority but that is

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down almost five thousand on 2011. The Conservatives saw a slight

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reduction. While the Liberal Democrats made again. That push them

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up from fourth to third. There is still plenty of opportunity

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for navel-gazing and this was a chance for the parties to test the

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temperature on their doorstep. Strangely all parties were hearing

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noises in their favour. Back in the headquarters those noises could help

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in years to come. It helps towards the 2016 election. We would take out

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over 25 thousand MSP 's from the SNP. -- MS plays. -- MSPs. We think

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the momentum is in our direction. We have got past some of our

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difficulties in recent years. I think together with delivery at

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Westminster, cutting taxes, increasing tensions, as well as our

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excellent record that our local parliamentarians have, we think we

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can build on this and get good results. Other past six weeks as has

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been a battlefield. The campaign has been fought hard in the candidates

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have been talking tough. Other parties no blood has been shed, no

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damage done. -- for their parties. Apart from the swing to Labour,

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nothing here has changed. In the great volume of Scottish political

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history, you will have to look hard in the index in the back for

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Aberdeen Donside. Joining me from our Aberdeen studio

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is the winner of the by-election, Mark McDonald. Congratulations first

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of all. Thank you very much. I met sure the other Friday when you were

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out campaigning. I asked a few were complacent. I don't think you were

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because the SNP through a lot at this, but yet it was a lot closer

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than many expected, as we have been seeing. The swing to Labour would

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have taken out some SNP cabinet members. As you know swings in

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by-elections do not materialise in general elections. What you have in

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by-elections is a concerted five-week, six-week campaign. It is

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focused on issues in the constituency. The other parties

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through everything, including the kitchen sink at the SNP during this

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campaign. They ran a relentlessly negative campaign. We are delighted

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we held the seat and we held at comfortably, a good four figure

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majority. Other governments would have to -- would kill to have a

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majority like that after two years in power. You are a well-known

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face, you have been known as a councillor. Do you think the

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majority should have been slimmed down as much? I said to you that I

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was not going to make any predictions for the outcome of the

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by-election. Our objective at the beginning was to hold the seat. We

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have achieved that objective. I was first elected as a councillor in

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2007, so I have been around in the political scene in Aberdeen for six

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years. It took Bryan Adams at least a quarter of a century to build up

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the reputation he did. This is a seat that the Labour Party in the

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past used to expect. We will continue to work hard for the people

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of Donside following in that tradition. Thursday had the need

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18th of September 2014, how would it have looked for the independence

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movement? I have not very good? I do not think it will hinge on the local

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schools and roundabouts. It is difficult to extrapolate this

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campaign into the independence campaign. We released the results of

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our super survey of Donside residents. It is showing that

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everything is still to play for. 29% opposed and 30% of people said that

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at present they are undecided. We know that there were undecided what

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to hear the arguments, they want to be convinced in order to place their

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vote. It is up to us to put out a positive position and make sure that

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they vote yes in the referendum. Labour pointed out that your

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literature only made one reference to render pendent Scotland. -- to an

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independent Scotland. It was on a leaflet that highlighted Denis

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Healey's undervaluing of oil to Scotland. It was in our campaign

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newspaper. It was on a survey card that went to every single voter in

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the Donside constituency and it was part of cans and saying script on

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the door said. -- canvassing script. Looking at your companions in the

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yes campaign, there was no SSP standing in the by-election. UKIP

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scored about three times as many votes as the Greens. Is the yes

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campaign really just the SNP? Andrew. The yes campaign, obviously

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the SNP are major stakeholder in the campaign. It is wider than the SNP.

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It includes people from all political parties and none. What we

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were finding on the doorstep was there was a large section of the

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Labour Party support who are for independence and wishing to vote

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yes. Perhaps it is for the Labour Party to start looking at what it

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supporters telling them and maybe consider its position in relation to

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the independence referendum. Particularly in light of the

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revelations today, in 2015 people will be resented with posterity from

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all parties as their options. a pretty gruelling campaign.

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Yesterday in the press and journals, Alex Salmond made a visit to a

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primary school and he did not have permission to be there. What

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happened with that visit? Did Mr Salmond have permission to be at the

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school? Mr Salman was invited to come into the school well we were

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visiting. -- Mr Salman. Alex Salmond. There is the story of the

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school campaigners who were asked to leave. They were asking people

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leaving the station to the sign at campaign against closing the school.

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I think there are question marks about those campaigners. We have to

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leave it there. Thank you. We are heading to the news now and after

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that we have are looked at the The Good afternoon. The US whistle

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blower, Edward Snowden, who has revealed details of secret US and

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British surveillance programmes, has fled Hong Kong from where the US

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authorities were seeking to extradite him. He is on a flight

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bound for Moscow - where he's due to arrive shortly. From Hong Kong, John

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Sudworth reports. The hunt for Edward Snowden, the man

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America wants to bring, has taken a surprise in turn. According to one

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newspaper citing credible sources, he is on board a flight to Moscow. A

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statement from the Hong Kong government confirms that Mr Snowden

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has indeed left the territory, although it does not say where he

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has gone. It leaves a US legal blunder did not meet the legal

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requirements. His departure comes shortly after further revelations

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exposing the extent of Britain's high-tech spying capabilities. He

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also revealed details about US efforts to Hakkinen -- hacked into

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Hong Kong's communications. Hong Kong may have taken the easy way

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out. It was facing a lengthy extradition battle and intends

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diplomatic pressure from the US and perhaps China to. It call -- report

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says that Mr Snowden is put on a flight from Moscow to Cuba on

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Monday. As he slips away from Hong Kong, America may find that their IT

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specialists ends up some are much further from its reach.

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The Chancellor, George Osborne says he has reached agreement with the

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Defence Secretary on MOD spending for the year 2015 to 2016. Speaking

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ahead of his spending review this week, he said the civilian numbers

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would be reduced but there would be no cut in armed forces personnel.

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They will not be a reduction in own military capability, we will not

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reduce the number of sailors, soldiers and a man. We will spend

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more money on cyber, which is the new frontier in defence.

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Gunmen have killed ten people, including nine foreign tourists,

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after storming a hotel in far northern Pakistan. Officials say

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five are from Ukraine, one from Lithuania and three from China. A

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tour guide of Pakistani or Nepalese origin was also killed. The assault

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happened at the remote base camp of the world's ninth highest mountain.

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Two separate militant group said they have taken -- committed the

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student who has been missing since the beginning of the month are

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stepping up their appeal for information. Yulia Solodyankina, was

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last seen at the Wee Red Bar in Edinburgh. Today friends in a drum

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and dance group will busk at The Mound to raise awareness of her

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disappearance, and her face is to appear on coffee cups around the

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city. The Scottish government is hoping to

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establish better trade links with China. The External Affairs Minister

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Humza Yousaf is visiting the country in a bid to encourage more Chinese

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investment in Scottish industry and infrastructure. A direct air link

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and more Mandarin and Cantonese language lessons are among the

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suggestions which could strengthen cultural ties.

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Two hundred of the UK's top cyclists are in Glasgow today for the biggest

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road cycling event of the year. Mark Cavendish and Laura Trott will be

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among those competing in the The British Cycling National Road Race

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Championships. More than 20,000 people are expected to line the

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route, which runs through the city centre, and starts and finishes at

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Glasgow Green. Let's now have a look everyone. Gusty northerly winds will

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make for a wet afternoon. Heavy rain for the Borders and Central and

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South West Scotland, brighter but with the odd heavy shower. Our next

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update is that ten to seven. I will now hand you back to Andrew.

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We will be discussing the big political events coming up. Let's

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take a look back at the week in 60 Proposals to end the centuries-old

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requirement for corroboration in court cases were brought forward by

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the Scottish government. The plans would also increase the number of

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jurors required for a majority guilty verdict. A report by the

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Parliamentary commission on banking standards said reckless bosses

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should be jailed and there should be an overhaul of the repeat to stop

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them being rewarded for failure. The administrators at heart began the

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painful is that -- job of starting the painful task of telling is that

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whether they have a job or not. had to make many admin staff

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part-time. It is likely that for players will also be made redundant.

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Ruth Davidson was left feeling half her age when she was knocked back

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trying to buy the Scotland office Minister of beer at the Bruce

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Springsteen concert. The 34-year-old said being ID at Hamdan had made her

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laugh. What will be making the headlines in politics this week.

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guests today are the blogger Kate Higgins and Political Editor of the

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:05:54.:06:06.

Daily Record, David Clegg. Vince cable challenges George Osborne

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overgrowth. I think this is a slightly smoother process.

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Everything has been almost tied up now. All tied up but bizarrely a

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kind of outbreak of consensus. I think it all this morning was

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clarifying about spending, he would road to spend on capital spending

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but the e-mail parties all sticking to the austerity plans? I am glad

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Vince cable is making the case. It has two the hood to bed in advance

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of the 2015 election. If we know that all the major parties are

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seeing cuts, cuts and more cuts until we get this debt down then

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there is no point in voting. labour wise to follow that strategy

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do you think? It has consequences for the referendum debate here.

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Effective years there is no difference in the offering with in

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the Westminster system and the UK then it is the opportunity for the

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:07:37.:07:42.

SNP to seize on. It is a very clear dividing line. The positive is that

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people have an alternative but the negative is people seeing if that is

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happening in Westminster why is it not happening here? A lot of people

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are calling for clarity and certainty. They want to know what

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independence offers. The certainty we have got here is that we know

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what will happen when we bought now, austerity and cuts. That is bad news

:08:15.:08:25.
:08:25.:08:26.

for people at home. The same-sex marriage Bill have produced a

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:08:36.:08:59.

video. We can have a look at that bill has been hit by some delays but

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it looks like it is going forward. Aid is still going to be a lot of

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noise about this but the battle is won. As you can see from that

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video. Even Alex Salmond is holding it up. There will be a very vocal

:09:18.:09:21.

campaign against it but it has God supporting the Scottish parliament

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:09:31.:09:32.

and it will go through. About 11 MSB is still going to court against. --

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vote against. It is all over bar the shouting. The interesting thing is

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whether or not the Scottish government will offer a free vote.

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It is not a conscience vote, they do have policy there. The latter number

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of ministers who are bubbly on the opposing side and what will be quite

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interesting in that the vote is there are probably more SNP MSP is

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who will vote against equal marriage due to there own faith or conscience

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leafs. That is the first time we have had that kind of conscience

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:10:21.:10:24.

split coming across the SNP government. There has been a lot of

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cynicism and scepticism about leaving this until after the

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referendum. I think Will there be a marriage before the referendum? That

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is difficult to say. They are seeing firmly know that this is going to

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happen but whether that happens or not Israeli academic. We had

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President Bill Clinton in Scotland this week, this is what he had to

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say. You will come about this rate regardless of whether you go about

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it in the right way. It is very important that there be an honest

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effort to list the consequences of this. That was the former president

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of the United States seeing we need to outline the arguments.

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Absolutely. When we have this coming to Scotland to give sage advice why

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was that not televised? I know he was eating to business people but he

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lives up former president coming to Scotland with words of advice. I do

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not agree that it was a study in blandness. I think this is eminently

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sensible. Things have got very polarised very quickly and he was

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spot on. We need to talk to each other and reserve game here if we

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want to have top in Scotland with the Scottish people. And William

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Hague was up this week as well? I was at the speech and it was

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largely just a same things I have heard from the Prime Minister. The

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aspect that the Sunday Times is picking up on is countries like

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Spain with similar movements. I think there is some truth. Now let

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me bring you some breaking news, some sad news, Ruth Evenson has paid

:12:37.:12:45.

tribute to Lord Carmyle Eve who has died suddenly. He was an MP who

:12:45.:12:50.

represented East Angus and South Angus and was made a life here in

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:13:00.:13:01.

1989. Very sad news just coming in. I had not heard that. I used to work

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for the Dundee Cuneo newspaper which is quite strong and I know that he

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was very popular and well liked up in Angus. It is a sad day for a lot

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:13:20.:13:21.

of people. Very sad news, he was a strong character. Yes, we are losing

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quite a number of people who have been around for a long time. It is

:13:27.:13:32.

sad news and condolences to his family. Also the conservative

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