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the blue tide - can Ed Miliband and the Labour Party reclaim lost seats | :01:21. | :01:31. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2196 seconds | :01:31. | :38:07. | |
later, too much too young? A teenager resigns before she even | :38:07. | :38:12. | |
start work as Kent 's first police youth commissioner. So was the job | :38:12. | :38:19. | |
just a bad idea? Joining me in the studio with their take on the weeks | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
stories are at Gordon Henderson and UKIP leader Nigel Farage. Welcome. | :38:24. | :38:31. | |
Let's start with Margaret Thatcher. She began her political career in | :38:31. | :38:37. | |
1950s Kent. She wanted to become the MP for Dartmouth. She lost to | :38:37. | :38:44. | |
elections but found a husband. As Prime Minister she would change the | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
landscape of the Southeast forever, driving forward the plans for the | :38:47. | :38:53. | |
Channel Tunnel. It created jobs but many were lost as Chatham stockyards | :38:53. | :38:56. | |
and counts remaining coal mines were closed. I wonder what you would have | :38:56. | :39:03. | |
made of the current political issues facing the Southeast? Where would | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
Baroness Thatcher have positioned herself on the latest wave of EU | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
immigration, Romanians and Bulgarians? Would you have aligned | :39:12. | :39:20. | |
herself with Nigel's party? Yell pack -- What she would have done, I | :39:20. | :39:27. | |
believe, would probably have been tried to find a way to prevent the | :39:27. | :39:33. | |
influx of Romanians and Bulgarians. She would have found a way of | :39:33. | :39:39. | |
ensuring that we British introduced laws to prevent that happening. | :39:39. | :39:45. | |
we can't, and she knew that. She was a pragmatic lady and she was not | :39:45. | :39:51. | |
afraid to make a tough decision. The great thing about her and what every | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
Conservative leader since has not had is that she connected with | :39:55. | :40:01. | |
working families in this country. But she was impenetrable on Europe. | :40:01. | :40:07. | |
She created the single European market and that surrendered many | :40:07. | :40:14. | |
national powers. Her legacy now is this hostility to Europe. Two things | :40:14. | :40:23. | |
at the same time. In 1975 she campaigned for us to stay part of | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
the common market. She changed her mind. Midway through her term she | :40:27. | :40:32. | |
realised that this was not the free trade common market that she | :40:32. | :40:36. | |
believed in and she saw the political side of it. She became a | :40:36. | :40:41. | |
fierce Euro-sceptic and for the last years of her life she believed that | :40:41. | :40:47. | |
Britain should leave the EU. Would you claim her for UKIP? I couldn't | :40:47. | :40:55. | |
do that. But there would be no UKIP without her. She would have given us | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
a referendum on the Maastricht Treaty and we would have rejected | :40:59. | :41:05. | |
it. I can almost guarantee that immigration will come up before the | :41:05. | :41:12. | |
end of the show. Let's move on. At the height of Labour's popularity | :41:12. | :41:16. | |
Labour held a 45 County Council seats in Kent, Sussex and Surrey. | :41:16. | :41:21. | |
They now have less than a quarter across a vast swath of the | :41:21. | :41:26. | |
Southeast. Will that change? In the run-up to the County Council | :41:26. | :41:32. | |
elections were examining the challenges facing the major parties. | :41:32. | :41:40. | |
-- we are. Dover has been a marginal area for | :41:40. | :41:47. | |
decades. The town and villages nearby traditionally vote for Labour | :41:47. | :41:57. | |
while the rural areas vote Tory. In the last election all the Labour | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
candidates lost their seats. In 2001 Labour had a healthy quota of | :42:02. | :42:07. | |
councils across the Southeast, but by 2009 they had clung on to just | :42:07. | :42:14. | |
nine of them. They have now edged into double figures. They claimed an | :42:14. | :42:21. | |
11th in Sussex, but the party has got a lot of work to do if they want | :42:21. | :42:26. | |
to put themselves back on the political map in the Southeast. So | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
what I Labour's targets in the region? There are some | :42:30. | :42:37. | |
constituencies in the Southeast that Labour have got a chance of winning | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
back in 2015, so they do have to put in some effort there. It is not | :42:41. | :42:47. | |
wasted effort by any means. Beyond those areas? It will always be | :42:47. | :42:53. | |
difficult. Why is that?These political traditions take a long | :42:53. | :42:59. | |
time to build up and a long time to become eroded. Labour says it is the | :42:59. | :43:07. | |
party of the Southeast 's squeezed middle income families. We have the | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
highest property prices outside London, high energy bills and the | :43:12. | :43:17. | |
fastest-rising rail fares in the country. A season ticket from Dover | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
to London now costs nearly �5,000. Getting people to believe in | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
Labour's promises is a challenge. There is a big problem that Ed | :43:27. | :43:33. | |
Miliband is talking about rail fares that is not delivering. How can you | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
lower rail fares? How can he lower gas bills? The Tories are offering | :43:38. | :43:45. | |
solutions, shale gas, tackling green subsidies, but Labour are talking | :43:45. | :43:50. | |
about carbon subsidies which is not reducing the cost of living. He | :43:50. | :43:55. | |
hasn't given an answer. Dover is the gateway to England which means the | :43:55. | :43:59. | |
Southeast has the highest number of foreign-born constituents outside | :43:59. | :44:05. | |
London. Schools and other public services are in crisis because of | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
overwhelming demand. UKIP is tapping into public concerns about | :44:09. | :44:14. | |
immigration. Although they didn't win any seats in 2009 they had | :44:14. | :44:18. | |
almost as many votes as Labour in Sussex, and I'm sorry they had a | :44:18. | :44:25. | |
third more. Could they put Labour into third place on polling day? | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
Labour 's problem is that they are trying to play catch up. They say | :44:28. | :44:33. | |
they will be tough on immigration but people know they had an almost | :44:33. | :44:39. | |
open door policy. I think Labour have a major challenge with UKIP. | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
Normally I would say the Conservatives, and the Conservatives | :44:43. | :44:48. | |
have their own set of problems with UKIP, but I think that Labour are | :44:48. | :44:55. | |
going to have to watch UKIP very closely indeed. If they beat Labour | :44:55. | :45:01. | |
in seven or eight council seats then I'm not entirely sure what that does | :45:01. | :45:10. | |
with the one nation agenda. Could another poor performance from Labour | :45:10. | :45:15. | |
see the party lose its grip on the Southeast completely? | :45:15. | :45:22. | |
Ed Miliband visited Kent earlier this week. | :45:22. | :45:27. | |
Labour held on to just nine seats in the elections this year. How do you | :45:27. | :45:33. | |
define success this time around? want to improve on our results from | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
2009 but we are setting out a different choice than that offered | :45:37. | :45:45. | |
by this government. The biggest issue is around the cost of living, | :45:45. | :45:48. | |
standards of living, and we are setting out a practical way in which | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
we would make a difference. If we were in government now we wouldn't | :45:52. | :45:57. | |
have a tax cut from millionaires, we would be protecting tax credits. We | :45:57. | :46:01. | |
would set up in mansion tax and bring back a 10p starting rate of | :46:01. | :46:06. | |
tax. We would also take on the energy companies and trade companies | :46:06. | :46:10. | |
that are pushing up the cost of living. It is a practical set of | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
proposals. We would also say that this is important for council | :46:14. | :46:19. | |
elections, led to give councils more power to control the high street. | :46:19. | :46:24. | |
That is a massive factor, including the cost of living, when you see | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
moneylenders popping up on the high street. These elections are about a | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
different direction for the country governing for the many, not just for | :46:33. | :46:38. | |
the top. You have pockets of popularity in the Southeast but it | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
is an affluent area. Are there Labour policies that speaks to those | :46:42. | :46:48. | |
voters? I think that people who ten years ago would have considered | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
themselves comfortable the oft are now struggling. Everyone is | :46:52. | :46:56. | |
struggling and I think we have a message for people right across the | :46:56. | :47:01. | |
Southeast, which is around standards of living. Cost of living is an | :47:01. | :47:06. | |
issue whether you are a low income or middle income. Wages aren't | :47:06. | :47:11. | |
rising, prices seem to go up and up, energy bills, fuel in your car, | :47:11. | :47:16. | |
and we are offering a different alternative. We can't transform it | :47:16. | :47:20. | |
overnight but if I was Prime Minister I would wake up every | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
morning thinking how could I make a difference to the many and not just | :47:23. | :47:31. | |
the richest in society. In the last elections UKIP had an equal or | :47:31. | :47:41. | |
higher share to you. Why are they voting for them instead of you? | :47:41. | :47:44. | |
People vote for different parties for different reasons. The best I | :47:44. | :47:51. | |
can do is set out my stall. Can any of the established parties, | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
Conservatives or Liberal Democrats, turn things around? That is why | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
people are turning to UKIP. I don't think they can solve the problems of | :47:59. | :48:05. | |
this country. Leading Europe won't solve those problems, but my duty is | :48:05. | :48:10. | |
to say to those people considering voting for another party that, look, | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
there is a practical alternative from Labour. That is the best thing | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
I can do to counter any opponent in this election, including the | :48:17. | :48:23. | |
opponent who says, let's just sit at home and not vote. You've been | :48:23. | :48:29. | |
talking about over demand for our services. We have a crisis in | :48:29. | :48:37. | |
schools, a crisis in houses. Is this immigration? Well, I've done lots | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
about immigration since I became a leader because I recognise that it | :48:42. | :48:50. | |
is a massive issue and we got it wrong in government. How did we get | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
it wrong? We underestimated the number of people coming in from | :48:53. | :48:59. | |
Eastern Europe. It put pressure on wages, and it is not right wing to | :48:59. | :49:07. | |
see, let's talk about this issue. I would see that any immigrants coming | :49:07. | :49:12. | |
in from Eastern Europe are governed by the correct controls. Secondly, | :49:12. | :49:16. | |
let's not have people coming in and getting paid less than the minimum | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
wage. Let's also say to everybody that you have to integrate, learn | :49:20. | :49:27. | |
English and become part of society. Can you win people over? I think we | :49:27. | :49:34. | |
can. I'm coming to places across the Southeast where Labour has got a | :49:34. | :49:39. | |
small presence. Why? Partly because I want to win as many seats as I | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
can, but also to demonstrate that Labour has a message for the whole | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
of the country, including areas where we have done badly in recent | :49:48. | :49:54. | |
years. And asking people to look at Labour and what we are offering. | :49:54. | :50:00. | |
Lets talk to our guests. Gordon, should the Conservatives in Kent be | :50:00. | :50:05. | |
more worried by UKIP than Labour? In the latest opinion polls Labour are | :50:05. | :50:15. | |
11 points ahead of your party. think the Conservatives in Kent must | :50:15. | :50:19. | |
expect to lose things to Labour. We must accept that because we are part | :50:19. | :50:26. | |
of government, the government party always loses in local elections. | :50:26. | :50:36. | |
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when it is popular. When Tony Blair was leader he kept it constant. When | :50:37. | :50:43. | |
you are a popular government, you don't necessarily lose seats. | :50:43. | :50:47. | |
have slowly built up our local government representation throughout | :50:47. | :50:54. | |
the Labour Party's term in office. Unfortunately, I've seen the way we | :50:54. | :50:57. | |
lost elections during the last Conservative government. I was one | :50:58. | :51:03. | |
of those casualties. What we will see is... Because Labour aren't | :51:03. | :51:09. | |
universally loved, what we will see is the Labour strongholds that they | :51:09. | :51:18. | |
lost in 2009 that they didn't expect to will swing back to them. Nigel, | :51:18. | :51:20. | |
traditionally voters in the Southeast had a love affair with | :51:20. | :51:30. | |
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Labour under Tony Blair. They only dropped one seat by 2005 and in the | :51:31. | :51:36. | |
last elections, 2009, Blair is gone. They lose all but two of their | :51:36. | :51:46. | |
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weeks. Ed Miliband would do well to listen to these concerns. Is talking | :51:50. | :51:56. | |
about cost of living, that is what people care about. He didn't | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
volunteer it to begin with. He didn't even touch on youth | :51:59. | :52:05. | |
unemployment. In Labour areas, youth unemployment is the biggest social | :52:05. | :52:12. | |
problem that we've got. That is why it is madness, with over 20% youth | :52:12. | :52:17. | |
unemployment in the Southeast, to open the door to immigrants from | :52:17. | :52:21. | |
Bulgaria and Romania. He doesn't intend to do anything about that, | :52:22. | :52:27. | |
nor do the Conservatives or the Lib Dems. UKIP has been doing well and | :52:27. | :52:31. | |
does look like a threat, what if you want to win at a local level you | :52:31. | :52:38. | |
need to change your name. UKIP sounds like one issue party and it | :52:38. | :52:45. | |
isn't relevant at County Council elections. Why not change the name? | :52:45. | :52:51. | |
It's UKIP, it's a brand. It is a state of mind. What are you thinking | :52:51. | :52:57. | |
about changing? The logo. The � was brilliant when we were fighting that | :52:57. | :53:07. | |
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battle. It is pretty redundant now. The name will stay, though. Thank | :53:08. | :53:15. | |
you very much. It was a short lived partnership. | :53:15. | :53:19. | |
Kent's Police and Crime Commissioner and Barnes and her 17-year-old | :53:19. | :53:25. | |
junior Paris Brown. A week after the teenager got the job she was forced | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
to quit after a series of tweets she'd made in the past came to | :53:28. | :53:33. | |
light. Was she let down by and Barnes, and was the idea of her role | :53:33. | :53:41. | |
flawed from the start? Do you think and Barnes let Paris down? Should | :53:41. | :53:45. | |
she have recruited more carefully to avoid someone facing that public | :53:45. | :53:51. | |
scrutiny? I would like to start by saying that I don't think the fact | :53:51. | :53:55. | |
that Paris Brown has been hounded out of office by the newspapers when | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
she was obviously in a vulnerable position and also evidently had | :54:00. | :54:06. | |
something good to offer is something to celebrate at all. As far as and | :54:06. | :54:16. | |
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Barnes is concerned I think we should engage young people, but I do | :54:19. | :54:24. | |
think she approached this in the wrong way. It seemed like a bit of a | :54:25. | :54:33. | |
gimmick to offer a single individual a chauffeur driven car and �15,000 | :54:33. | :54:36. | |
each year. Politicians should be trying to engage with groups of | :54:36. | :54:41. | |
young people who are given responsibility and trust put in | :54:41. | :54:47. | |
them. What responsibility should young people have in politics? | :54:47. | :54:52. | |
very much in favour of young people being put into positions shadowing | :54:52. | :54:58. | |
various levels of government. I don't think it works on an | :54:58. | :55:04. | |
individual basis, but there are lots of local authorities up and down the | :55:04. | :55:11. | |
country starting Youth Councils and bodies which have been devolved | :55:11. | :55:16. | |
budgeting responsibilities. Sometimes it has been very | :55:16. | :55:21. | |
successful. You think young people should be given cash and make | :55:21. | :55:26. | |
decisions on how to spend it? some cases it has worked very well | :55:26. | :55:30. | |
and some young people have made decisions better than the adults | :55:30. | :55:37. | |
making them on their behalf. In my more youthful days... Sorry! How old | :55:37. | :55:45. | |
are you exactly? 19 years old, but when I was younger I was involved in | :55:45. | :55:52. | |
a Youth Council myself and in one case we had a budget of some hundred | :55:52. | :56:00. | |
thousand pounds and we were attacked for not being mature enough, but in | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
fact we spend it on schemes introducing more library books to | :56:04. | :56:12. | |
replenish dilapidated school libraries, funded reading | :56:12. | :56:19. | |
privileges... I understand, but Nigel is moaning and groaning. | :56:19. | :56:25. | |
are almost bankrupt, what were we thinking giving this girl �15,000 a | :56:25. | :56:35. | |
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year? Did Ann Barnes made the right decision? She has been a victim of | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
something that is going to affect a lot of people as the years go by. | :56:41. | :56:46. | |
Facebook and Twitter are used by young people to boast and the record | :56:46. | :56:53. | |
is there for ever. I don't think we need more Youth Councils or youth | :56:53. | :56:57. | |
Police and Crime Commissioner is. All young people are irrelevant? | :56:57. | :57:05. | |
They aren't you relevant at all. disagree with Nigel and Conrad. I | :57:05. | :57:14. | |
think there is an argument to be had over whether there is a need for a | :57:14. | :57:18. | |
Youth Commissioner. I do agree that the girl was hounded out of her job, | :57:18. | :57:23. | |
not only by the media but by a number of politicians who came | :57:23. | :57:28. | |
forward and kept the story going. She is one of my constituents. | :57:28. | :57:36. | |
you met her? I haven't, Archie is one of my constituents. -- but she | :57:36. | :57:43. | |
is one of my constituents. The only thing that Ann Barnes let her down | :57:43. | :57:51. | |
on was that she didn't tell her to let it blow over. I do tweet and I | :57:51. | :57:56. | |
think the issue with tweeter is that people don't realise that it is a | :57:56. | :58:03. | |
method of public broadcasting. do now. I think it is important that | :58:03. | :58:08. | |
we take the offensive comments that Paris Brown made seriously and that | :58:08. | :58:13. | |
we make clear that some of the comments she made should have no | :58:13. | :58:19. | |
place in public life at all. She was 14 when she made them, she has now | :58:19. | :58:25. | |
apologised, and I think from a 17-year-old who hasn't had the | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
experience and media training that adult politicians have had, we | :58:29. | :58:34. | |
should accept that apology. Thank you very much. We have a few more | :58:34. | :58:44. | |
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juicy bits of news. First, Brighton and now other A&E | :58:51. | :58:56. | |
departments have said there is an increase in patients. Sussex Police | :58:56. | :59:03. | |
say they are introducing a new category of hate crime to protect | :59:03. | :59:09. | |
people such as Goths. Someone chased me down the street on the basis of | :59:09. | :59:15. | |
how I look. This military school has been investigated by Ofsted | :59:15. | :59:23. | |
overconcerned about student welfare. A very tough line has been taken. | :59:23. | :59:30. | |
The go-ahead has been given to a new terminal and runway at the local | :59:30. | :59:36. | |
airport. It will provide jobs and opportunities for the local | :59:36. | :59:41. | |
community. Boris Johnson says if he gets a new Thames Estuary airport he | :59:41. | :59:48. | |
wants to name it after Margaret Thatcher to honour her memory. | :59:48. | :59:54. | |
Let's start with those problems at A&E. Really worrying for those | :59:54. | :59:56. | |
families whose relatives may not be getting the best treatment. I've | :59:56. | :00:05. | |
been told it is down to difficulties in getting GP appointments. | :00:05. | :00:09. | |
population is rising quickly because of immigration, there are some parts | :00:09. | :00:13. | |
of England with waiting times of nine hours and we are about to open | :00:13. | :00:23. | |
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the door to even more people. think there needs to be an | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
investigation into how the call centres run and how they direct | :00:27. | :00:33. |