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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2332 seconds | :01:21. | :40:14. | |
competition to be the UK City of Sunday Politics in the South East. | :40:14. | :40:17. | |
Coming up later... Who should pay for the cost of looking after young | :40:17. | :40:21. | |
failed asylum seekers, here unaccompanied? Kent is footing the | :40:21. | :40:29. | |
bill to the tune of a million pounds but should Westminster be paying? | :40:29. | :40:33. | |
Joining me in the studio today to discuss this and other topics is | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
Green MEP for the South East, Keith Taylor and Conservative MP for | :40:36. | :40:38. | |
Ashford and Home Office Minister, Damian Green. Welcome to the | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
programme. Do you bother recycling? Is the system where you live | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
complicated? Do you just chuck all the cans, paper, plastic and glass | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
in a big bag or box and stick it by the front door or are you expected | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
to carefully separate everything into different containers. People in | :40:52. | :40:54. | |
Whitstable were shocked this week when their bin men were caught | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
chucking all the sorted materials in together. Serco the company involved | :40:58. | :41:08. | |
said it was an isolated incident. This really annoys people when | :41:08. | :41:14. | |
they're rubbish isn't collected properly. Yes, absolutely right, the | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
best place to sort your rubbish is in the kitchen sink, so you can | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
separate all of the messy bedside. It does not take a great deal of | :41:24. | :41:30. | |
effort. To see it being dumped together, it must be very annoying | :41:30. | :41:37. | |
indeed. Surely, fewer people are inclined to do it, should we not | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
make it as simple as possible, someone else will sort it out, throw | :41:42. | :41:48. | |
it outside the front door? danger is, you will then not have it | :41:48. | :41:52. | |
sorted out. What annoys people is they are trying to recycle, and most | :41:52. | :41:57. | |
people will do it, somewhere down the line, people do not care, and | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
the system is a con. That is a threat to the recycling system that | :42:02. | :42:06. | |
we need to have. We need to make sure the system works from the | :42:06. | :42:13. | |
kitchen sink right through to the recycling plant. If we look at the | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
south-east, we have ten different systems. Some councils take plastic, | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
some people take paper, some places you have to sort it out, would it | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
not be better if the entire country did the same thing? Yes, but you | :42:28. | :42:33. | |
have different needs and quantities arising in the rubbish stream in | :42:33. | :42:38. | |
different areas. If you had a scheme to suit Maidstone, it not suit | :42:39. | :42:46. | |
Southampton. The way that the structure is put out, each council | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
has a responsibility to negotiate their referees to dispose and the | :42:50. | :43:00. | |
best deal. -- they're rubbish disposal. We need to look at the | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
secondary use for recyclable materials. We should try to maybe | :43:03. | :43:10. | |
make fleeces out of... Yes, sure, that is something we need to do, but | :43:10. | :43:16. | |
firstly, you need people to be allowed to recycle. In my area we | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
are just introducing a new recycling service which will be comprehensive | :43:21. | :43:26. | |
for the first time. If they are about to bring in a new system, | :43:26. | :43:31. | |
let's hope it is better than the new system in Canterbury! | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
City of Culture 2017. It's an impressive sounding title and | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
there's 11 areas bidding to claim the crown, including Hastings and | :43:37. | :43:40. | |
East Kent. The shortlist will be announced next week, but should we | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
be hoping the South East bids get through? The winning city will have | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
to raise finance for the project at a time when resources are already | :43:46. | :43:52. | |
severely squeezed. Lucinda Adam reports. | :43:52. | :43:58. | |
Through traditional British seaside. Centuries of local fishing | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
heritage and shiny new art galleries. Is it a winning | :44:02. | :44:07. | |
combination that could make East Kent or Hastings the next UK City of | :44:07. | :44:14. | |
Culture. Hastings alone is spending half �1 million on its bid, but how | :44:14. | :44:16. | |
much has this year 's City of Culture benefited? We ask the people | :44:16. | :44:26. | |
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of Hastings if they know where it is? No! No! Is at Birmingham? | :44:28. | :44:35. | |
Northern Ireland, somewhere, I cannot remember the name. The winner | :44:35. | :44:42. | |
of the first UK capital of culture is Derry Londonderry. The year began | :44:42. | :44:49. | |
with much enthusiasm, but organisers admit that income from ticket sales | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
is just 7% of their target so far. Less than one fifth of sponsorship | :44:54. | :45:04. | |
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has been raised. They have a shortfall in the budget of �600,000. | :45:06. | :45:12. | |
It is a whole year of the Trinity, we had a short lead in time. We got | :45:12. | :45:17. | |
money quite late. We had to put a programme together in nine months, | :45:17. | :45:25. | |
effectively. It is a huge task, you need a lot of people and a lot of | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
resources. In the current climate, it has been difficult to raise | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
private money. Everybody has found this. Food for thought for | :45:34. | :45:39. | |
politicians in the south-east. Hastings is proposing a budget of | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
�15 million from taxpayers money, private sponsorship and projected | :45:43. | :45:47. | |
income. If Hastings is successful, organisers hope that this area would | :45:47. | :45:54. | |
be the focus point for a hive of cultural activity. But the highlight | :45:54. | :45:59. | |
of the bid doesn't start here, but in Yorkshire, with plans to recreate | :45:59. | :46:05. | |
King Harald's march to the Battle of Hastings with cultural and sporting | :46:05. | :46:12. | |
activities on the way. In 2008, Liverpool had extraordinary success | :46:12. | :46:22. | |
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as the European city of culture. They generated millions of pounds | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
for the local economy. The following year, the Labour government created | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
a UK version. There could be benefits worth ten times the money | :46:32. | :46:38. | |
putting in Hastings, but experts warn that it was down to a unique | :46:38. | :46:48. | |
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cultural heritage and decades of underinvestment. You can put money | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
in and get lots of money back and build ambitious programmes. There | :46:53. | :47:03. | |
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out to Derry, but they have not renewed their bid time around. The | :47:08. | :47:14. | |
council has said that benefits of bidding would be outweighed by the | :47:14. | :47:24. | |
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opportunity cost that this money might have been spent elsewhere. In | :47:31. | :47:35. | |
the current climate, that could have been some end on care for the | :47:35. | :47:41. | |
elderly, school programmes. There is also the risk to do with the | :47:41. | :47:45. | |
judgement is you make about culture. The idea that a particular | :47:45. | :47:50. | |
culture that might attract tourism needs �15 million spent on it as | :47:50. | :47:53. | |
opposed to a cultural activity that might only interest the local | :47:53. | :47:59. | |
population. This is a big political question that often goes on and | :47:59. | :48:09. | |
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asked as well as unanswered. There are questions about if the bid can | :48:12. | :48:18. | |
be delivered. It will all be about the quality of the people putting | :48:18. | :48:28. | |
the bits together. Is there enough confidence to do it. Well the | :48:28. | :48:33. | |
promise of culture led economic and social benefits be worth the risk of | :48:33. | :48:38. | |
multi-million pound budgets? -- with a promise? | :48:38. | :48:44. | |
We are joined by Sarah Owen, that backdrop behind you, that is | :48:44. | :48:51. | |
probably the best bid for the UK City of Culture! It shows one of our | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
iconic buildings where the language and legal system started. If you | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
want to talk about the birthplace of English culture, then start in | :48:59. | :49:07. | |
Hastings! Value for money, is this a financially good idea? Can Hastings | :49:07. | :49:14. | |
sustain this in the current economic climate? Yes, we can, also the row | :49:14. | :49:18. | |
is the projection for how much we would benefit on visitor economy | :49:18. | :49:27. | |
alone. We have been looking at a 10% increase. That is what businesses | :49:27. | :49:33. | |
and the tourist industry and the arts and culture society are crying | :49:33. | :49:38. | |
out for here. This is an opportunity to show the UK what the area is all | :49:38. | :49:46. | |
about. There have been warnings not to be unrealistic, do you have a | :49:46. | :49:51. | |
figure for every pound that is invested, what you hope to get back? | :49:51. | :49:56. | |
There is a 10% increase, that is fairly conservative, that was based | :49:56. | :50:00. | |
on the Derry Londonderry figures. The people in Londonderry have said | :50:00. | :50:05. | |
they are very proud of what happened there for the UK City of Culture, | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
and it has transformed to read they live in terms of regeneration. Also | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
in terms of aspiration for young people which is desperately needed | :50:13. | :50:18. | |
here. We have not spoken about the links with the arts and culture | :50:18. | :50:21. | |
societies and with local schoolchildren also. You are not | :50:21. | :50:24. | |
considered high up in the running at the moment, forgive me, I do not | :50:25. | :50:29. | |
know which accuses drawing it up, but if you are out of the running, | :50:29. | :50:36. | |
how much of that �500,000 would have been spent and to be fair wasted? | :50:36. | :50:41. | |
The odds for us have been very low until recently, and we have snuck | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
in, but we are very used to punching above our weight in Hastings, but | :50:45. | :50:51. | |
nobody will just hand us this cultural bid on a plate, we have to | :50:51. | :50:56. | |
fight and argue for it. Now we have got right coming through at its | :50:56. | :51:01. | |
cultural history coming to support us. We have a very strong case for | :51:01. | :51:07. | |
winning. If you get it, what would be your measure of success, because | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
it looks like Derry Londonderry is struggling, what would be your | :51:10. | :51:17. | |
measure of success? If you look at the Londonderry bed, lonely planet | :51:17. | :51:22. | |
have listed them the fourth best city in the world to visit, that is | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
above places like Montreal, so there is no reason we shouldn't say places | :51:26. | :51:32. | |
like that about are living! They said that about Margate recently. | :51:32. | :51:40. | |
Damien, IU backing this? Yes, it is a different kind of bid in East | :51:40. | :51:47. | |
Kent, it is including some of the most iconic and famous visitor | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
attractions in Britain, Canterbury Cathedral, the White Cliffs of | :51:51. | :51:57. | |
Dover, but by spreading it across a number of areas, we are establishing | :51:57. | :52:01. | |
an identity for Kent were historic people first arrived in this | :52:02. | :52:07. | |
country. A lot of people travelled through here. It has a unique | :52:07. | :52:12. | |
appeal. If we look at the budget, we are trying to get to grips with the | :52:12. | :52:17. | |
budget of East Kent, they will not tell us, at least they are being | :52:17. | :52:26. | |
upfront in Rye? Everyone is around the same sort of numbers. It would | :52:26. | :52:32. | |
be spread over a number of communities. Labour suggest that | :52:32. | :52:38. | |
there will be a reduction in the ground, can they justify �500,000 on | :52:38. | :52:48. | |
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this? We cannot be too peasant mystic about this, people said, can | :52:49. | :52:56. | |
we afford it, it is a recession, if we look at the Olympics, that was in | :52:56. | :52:58. | |
a recession, it has been the best thing that has happened for years. | :52:58. | :53:04. | |
If we look at Derry Londonderry, this is the first time it has been | :53:05. | :53:14. | |
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looked at across the world without the trouble being attached to it. | :53:15. | :53:25. | |
need some money for fun! I will support both bid! We have to face | :53:25. | :53:31. | |
facts, the Hastings bid is looking for �4.6 million from the arts | :53:31. | :53:36. | |
Council. This is the same council that has had its funding cut over | :53:36. | :53:46. | |
30% and over the next two years, it will be cut by �11 million. Is this | :53:46. | :53:52. | |
realistic, if the funding is being cut, it is a waste of time. It is | :53:52. | :53:58. | |
not just the arts Council, it is warts England, and funding is being | :53:58. | :54:04. | |
cut to those, but we are realistic, we have got partners on board, we | :54:04. | :54:09. | |
have private investors, and slightly Londonderry bed, they had a short | :54:09. | :54:13. | |
lead-in time. We have got time to else the reserves and we have got | :54:13. | :54:19. | |
the support of the local media. They know they will bring jobs and | :54:19. | :54:28. | |
growth. If you asked the local community if they would rather spend | :54:28. | :54:34. | |
�94 million on a link road or get money for this, I know what they | :54:34. | :54:39. | |
will go for, they will go for the culture bed. I am sure we will have | :54:39. | :54:49. | |
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the link road back on the agenda Kent County Council is spending a | :54:49. | :54:52. | |
million pounds a year to look after unaccompanied young asylum seekers | :54:52. | :54:55. | |
who are waiting to be deported. A parliamentary Human Rights committee | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
says councils should be fully funded by the government to carry out these | :54:58. | :55:01. | |
duties. Kent says it's time for the government to act. | :55:02. | :55:05. | |
The children's act says that we should continue to support these | :55:05. | :55:09. | |
people, the Home Office says they should be destitute. The Home Office | :55:09. | :55:15. | |
should give us the money to support these young people. What do you say | :55:15. | :55:20. | |
to Paul Carter, he once a decision, he has been waiting for quite some | :55:20. | :55:27. | |
time. -- he once a decision. Home Office pays for those that have | :55:27. | :55:37. | |
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the right to be in this country. It does not pay for people do not have | :55:39. | :55:46. | |
the right to be in this country. Kent County Council does not have a | :55:46. | :55:51. | |
legal duty to support these people. It is what Kent County Council says. | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
When I had a meeting with Kent County Council, they said they would | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
provide their legal advice. 18 months on, they have not provided | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
this legal advice and Home Office lawyers say it is not true. As a | :56:04. | :56:11. | |
council taxpayer, I do not want my money paid into this. Human rights | :56:11. | :56:15. | |
agrees with Paul Carter, is it not just time you got on with it and | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
gave them the money they deserve, whether it is from the Home Office | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
or the Department of education as the committee suggests. | :56:23. | :56:26. | |
committee says the Department of education should pay a bigger role, | :56:26. | :56:29. | |
and people that have no rights to be in this country should be returned | :56:29. | :56:35. | |
home, but... Your colleague Gordon Henderson is currently backing the | :56:36. | :56:39. | |
bid of an 18-year-old who lives in Sittingbourne to stay in this | :56:39. | :56:43. | |
country, he is having his appeal heard, he was held in a detention | :56:43. | :56:49. | |
centre. If the completely off message? He is one of your own MPs. | :56:49. | :56:53. | |
If you're still having the appeal heard. He has already been | :56:53. | :57:00. | |
rejected. But he is appealing. The legal process takes a long time. | :57:00. | :57:04. | |
Those that have the rights to stay in this country, fine, we should | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
spend money integrating them, and we do that, but if they do not have the | :57:08. | :57:13. | |
right to be here, then we should send them home. One of the things | :57:14. | :57:19. | |
that has happened, particularly with Kent, a few years ago, this dispute | :57:19. | :57:24. | |
was about �5 million. What has happened is, we have far fewer | :57:24. | :57:26. | |
unaccompanied asylum seeking children trying to come to this | :57:26. | :57:32. | |
country than we used to, and that is one of the issues. There is a | :57:32. | :57:36. | |
geographical reality for Kent, it is the first port of call for | :57:36. | :57:39. | |
immigrants, legal or otherwise, Damien says he does not want | :57:39. | :57:43. | |
taxpayers money spent on this, when people talk about the burden, is | :57:44. | :57:50. | |
that a legitimate concern or closet racism? I prefer to look at it as | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
Kent is nearest to the channel, and I preferred to look at the | :57:53. | :57:55. | |
recommendations of the committee which was that the government should | :57:55. | :58:00. | |
centrally fund the payment, the expenses of the young people that | :58:01. | :58:07. | |
are awaiting appeal and that is entirely right. They are also | :58:07. | :58:13. | |
calling for a much more child focused strategy and a government | :58:13. | :58:18. | |
strategy. This feeds into public perception of immigration, I will | :58:18. | :58:22. | |
read a quote from Charlie Elphick for Dover and steel, morally wrong | :58:22. | :58:29. | |
to bring people in to do the work our own countrymen can do. It is bad | :58:29. | :58:32. | |
for the economy, bad for the taxpayer and bad for my | :58:32. | :58:39. | |
constituency, all immigration? just wrong. Izzy? He is attracting | :58:39. | :58:48. | |
people that will vote for UKIP in the next election! We have inherited | :58:48. | :58:52. | |
a system where roughly a quarter of a million people a year net came to | :58:52. | :59:02. | |
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this country. We have brought that and to tens of thousands, it is down | :59:04. | :59:07. | |
to 150,000 a year already. Is all immigration bad? Not all immigration | :59:07. | :59:15. | |
is bad. The trouble is, if voters agree with UKIP, then you asked | :59:15. | :59:20. | |
after the next election! UKIP is a cross between fantasy and | :59:20. | :59:26. | |
identifying a scapegoat. People are quite right... That is very | :59:26. | :59:31. | |
insulting to the many people that voted UKIP at the last elections. | :59:31. | :59:35. | |
The people that voted UKIP are looking at what UKIP are saying and | :59:35. | :59:42. | |
I reading the right wing tabloids, they are reading the myths about the | :59:42. | :59:45. | |
numbers of Romanians that will come to this country, it is not based on | :59:45. | :59:51. | |
fact. What will your policy be? In your nutshell, a few sentences for | :59:51. | :59:57. | |
the next election on immigration that are true and are distinct from | :59:57. | :00:02. | |
UKIP? We are distinct from UKIP because we say that highly skilled | :00:02. | :00:06. | |
immigration, people with specific skills to benefit this country, they | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
are welcome in this country. We cannot have the system inherited | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
from the Labour government of mass immigration of all kinds. That is | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
what we have been reducing very stringently in this parliament and | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
will carry on doing so under a Conservative government. You might | :00:21. | :00:26. | |
need to have a word with Charlie Elphick! | :00:26. | :00:33. | |
Time for a round-up now with the latest in politics in the area. | :00:34. | :00:36. | |
Leader of the airport commission sir Howard Davies came into Medway this | :00:37. | :00:43. | |
week for arguments for and against a Thames Street airport, but will the | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
plan ever take off? It has given us a better picture of the nature of | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
the challenge of putting a new airport in this area. The lights | :00:51. | :00:57. | |
could be going out in Kent, the council are proposing to turn off | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
70,000 streetlights overnight to save money and cut emissions. | :01:01. | :01:08. | |
A boat capsised in the Dover Strait this week, following a dramatic | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
rescue, ten people were arrested on suspicion of people smuggling. Local | :01:12. | :01:17. | |
MP Charlie Elphick says that evil smuggling must be stopped. And | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
Caroline Lucas was ironically told to cover up because her T-shirt | :01:21. | :01:27. | |
broke the West Minster dress code. She carried on regardless. This is | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
thought to be inappropriate to be wearing in this house, but it is | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
appropriate for this kind of newspaper to be available to buy Ex | :01:38. | :01:47. | |
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to buy Ex to buy! She is saying what is common sense, we should not | :01:51. | :02:01. | |
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identify and objectify women on page three, this is just... ! It is | :02:03. | :02:11. | |
generally women on page three! Not people! The serious point is, that's | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
little extract showing the dress code of Parliament actually being | :02:16. | :02:25. | |
enforced. What is the point? ! was a great stunt. You do not want | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
MPs turning into slogan boards, because of somebody gets away with | :02:30. | :02:35. | |
it, everyone will be doing it. Caroline Lucas says the tendency to | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
view women as objects leads to and acceptance of aggressive attitudes | :02:39. | :02:44. | |
and behaviour, aggressive attitude and behaviour as the norm, you are | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
the Minister for criminal Justice, do you agree? There are serious | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
issues about things you can see on the Internet. Page three is a | :02:53. | :03:01. |