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are tough should councils be spending hundreds of thousands on a

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2332 seconds

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competition to be the UK City of Sunday Politics in the South East.

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Coming up later... Who should pay for the cost of looking after young

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failed asylum seekers, here unaccompanied? Kent is footing the

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bill to the tune of a million pounds but should Westminster be paying?

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Joining me in the studio today to discuss this and other topics is

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Green MEP for the South East, Keith Taylor and Conservative MP for

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Ashford and Home Office Minister, Damian Green. Welcome to the

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programme. Do you bother recycling? Is the system where you live

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complicated? Do you just chuck all the cans, paper, plastic and glass

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in a big bag or box and stick it by the front door or are you expected

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to carefully separate everything into different containers. People in

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Whitstable were shocked this week when their bin men were caught

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chucking all the sorted materials in together. Serco the company involved

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said it was an isolated incident. This really annoys people when

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they're rubbish isn't collected properly. Yes, absolutely right, the

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best place to sort your rubbish is in the kitchen sink, so you can

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separate all of the messy bedside. It does not take a great deal of

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effort. To see it being dumped together, it must be very annoying

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indeed. Surely, fewer people are inclined to do it, should we not

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make it as simple as possible, someone else will sort it out, throw

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it outside the front door? danger is, you will then not have it

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sorted out. What annoys people is they are trying to recycle, and most

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people will do it, somewhere down the line, people do not care, and

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the system is a con. That is a threat to the recycling system that

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we need to have. We need to make sure the system works from the

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kitchen sink right through to the recycling plant. If we look at the

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south-east, we have ten different systems. Some councils take plastic,

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some people take paper, some places you have to sort it out, would it

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not be better if the entire country did the same thing? Yes, but you

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have different needs and quantities arising in the rubbish stream in

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different areas. If you had a scheme to suit Maidstone, it not suit

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Southampton. The way that the structure is put out, each council

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has a responsibility to negotiate their referees to dispose and the

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best deal. -- they're rubbish disposal. We need to look at the

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secondary use for recyclable materials. We should try to maybe

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make fleeces out of... Yes, sure, that is something we need to do, but

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firstly, you need people to be allowed to recycle. In my area we

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are just introducing a new recycling service which will be comprehensive

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for the first time. If they are about to bring in a new system,

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let's hope it is better than the new system in Canterbury!

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City of Culture 2017. It's an impressive sounding title and

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there's 11 areas bidding to claim the crown, including Hastings and

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East Kent. The shortlist will be announced next week, but should we

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be hoping the South East bids get through? The winning city will have

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to raise finance for the project at a time when resources are already

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severely squeezed. Lucinda Adam reports.

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Through traditional British seaside. Centuries of local fishing

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heritage and shiny new art galleries. Is it a winning

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combination that could make East Kent or Hastings the next UK City of

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Culture. Hastings alone is spending half �1 million on its bid, but how

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much has this year 's City of Culture benefited? We ask the people

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of Hastings if they know where it is? No! No! Is at Birmingham?

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Northern Ireland, somewhere, I cannot remember the name. The winner

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of the first UK capital of culture is Derry Londonderry. The year began

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with much enthusiasm, but organisers admit that income from ticket sales

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is just 7% of their target so far. Less than one fifth of sponsorship

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has been raised. They have a shortfall in the budget of �600,000.

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It is a whole year of the Trinity, we had a short lead in time. We got

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money quite late. We had to put a programme together in nine months,

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effectively. It is a huge task, you need a lot of people and a lot of

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resources. In the current climate, it has been difficult to raise

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private money. Everybody has found this. Food for thought for

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politicians in the south-east. Hastings is proposing a budget of

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�15 million from taxpayers money, private sponsorship and projected

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income. If Hastings is successful, organisers hope that this area would

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be the focus point for a hive of cultural activity. But the highlight

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of the bid doesn't start here, but in Yorkshire, with plans to recreate

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King Harald's march to the Battle of Hastings with cultural and sporting

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activities on the way. In 2008, Liverpool had extraordinary success

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as the European city of culture. They generated millions of pounds

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for the local economy. The following year, the Labour government created

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a UK version. There could be benefits worth ten times the money

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putting in Hastings, but experts warn that it was down to a unique

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cultural heritage and decades of underinvestment. You can put money

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in and get lots of money back and build ambitious programmes. There

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out to Derry, but they have not renewed their bid time around. The

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council has said that benefits of bidding would be outweighed by the

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opportunity cost that this money might have been spent elsewhere. In

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the current climate, that could have been some end on care for the

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elderly, school programmes. There is also the risk to do with the

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judgement is you make about culture. The idea that a particular

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culture that might attract tourism needs �15 million spent on it as

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opposed to a cultural activity that might only interest the local

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population. This is a big political question that often goes on and

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asked as well as unanswered. There are questions about if the bid can

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be delivered. It will all be about the quality of the people putting

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the bits together. Is there enough confidence to do it. Well the

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promise of culture led economic and social benefits be worth the risk of

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multi-million pound budgets? -- with a promise?

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We are joined by Sarah Owen, that backdrop behind you, that is

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probably the best bid for the UK City of Culture! It shows one of our

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iconic buildings where the language and legal system started. If you

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want to talk about the birthplace of English culture, then start in

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Hastings! Value for money, is this a financially good idea? Can Hastings

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sustain this in the current economic climate? Yes, we can, also the row

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is the projection for how much we would benefit on visitor economy

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alone. We have been looking at a 10% increase. That is what businesses

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and the tourist industry and the arts and culture society are crying

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out for here. This is an opportunity to show the UK what the area is all

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about. There have been warnings not to be unrealistic, do you have a

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figure for every pound that is invested, what you hope to get back?

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There is a 10% increase, that is fairly conservative, that was based

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on the Derry Londonderry figures. The people in Londonderry have said

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they are very proud of what happened there for the UK City of Culture,

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and it has transformed to read they live in terms of regeneration. Also

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in terms of aspiration for young people which is desperately needed

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here. We have not spoken about the links with the arts and culture

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societies and with local schoolchildren also. You are not

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considered high up in the running at the moment, forgive me, I do not

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know which accuses drawing it up, but if you are out of the running,

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how much of that �500,000 would have been spent and to be fair wasted?

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The odds for us have been very low until recently, and we have snuck

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in, but we are very used to punching above our weight in Hastings, but

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nobody will just hand us this cultural bid on a plate, we have to

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fight and argue for it. Now we have got right coming through at its

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cultural history coming to support us. We have a very strong case for

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winning. If you get it, what would be your measure of success, because

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it looks like Derry Londonderry is struggling, what would be your

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measure of success? If you look at the Londonderry bed, lonely planet

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have listed them the fourth best city in the world to visit, that is

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above places like Montreal, so there is no reason we shouldn't say places

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like that about are living! They said that about Margate recently.

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Damien, IU backing this? Yes, it is a different kind of bid in East

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Kent, it is including some of the most iconic and famous visitor

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attractions in Britain, Canterbury Cathedral, the White Cliffs of

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Dover, but by spreading it across a number of areas, we are establishing

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an identity for Kent were historic people first arrived in this

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country. A lot of people travelled through here. It has a unique

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appeal. If we look at the budget, we are trying to get to grips with the

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budget of East Kent, they will not tell us, at least they are being

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upfront in Rye? Everyone is around the same sort of numbers. It would

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be spread over a number of communities. Labour suggest that

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there will be a reduction in the ground, can they justify �500,000 on

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this? We cannot be too peasant mystic about this, people said, can

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we afford it, it is a recession, if we look at the Olympics, that was in

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a recession, it has been the best thing that has happened for years.

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If we look at Derry Londonderry, this is the first time it has been

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looked at across the world without the trouble being attached to it.

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need some money for fun! I will support both bid! We have to face

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facts, the Hastings bid is looking for �4.6 million from the arts

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Council. This is the same council that has had its funding cut over

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30% and over the next two years, it will be cut by �11 million. Is this

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realistic, if the funding is being cut, it is a waste of time. It is

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not just the arts Council, it is warts England, and funding is being

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cut to those, but we are realistic, we have got partners on board, we

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have private investors, and slightly Londonderry bed, they had a short

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lead-in time. We have got time to else the reserves and we have got

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the support of the local media. They know they will bring jobs and

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growth. If you asked the local community if they would rather spend

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�94 million on a link road or get money for this, I know what they

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will go for, they will go for the culture bed. I am sure we will have

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the link road back on the agenda Kent County Council is spending a

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million pounds a year to look after unaccompanied young asylum seekers

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who are waiting to be deported. A parliamentary Human Rights committee

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says councils should be fully funded by the government to carry out these

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duties. Kent says it's time for the government to act.

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The children's act says that we should continue to support these

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people, the Home Office says they should be destitute. The Home Office

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should give us the money to support these young people. What do you say

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to Paul Carter, he once a decision, he has been waiting for quite some

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time. -- he once a decision. Home Office pays for those that have

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the right to be in this country. It does not pay for people do not have

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the right to be in this country. Kent County Council does not have a

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legal duty to support these people. It is what Kent County Council says.

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When I had a meeting with Kent County Council, they said they would

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provide their legal advice. 18 months on, they have not provided

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this legal advice and Home Office lawyers say it is not true. As a

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council taxpayer, I do not want my money paid into this. Human rights

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agrees with Paul Carter, is it not just time you got on with it and

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gave them the money they deserve, whether it is from the Home Office

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or the Department of education as the committee suggests.

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committee says the Department of education should pay a bigger role,

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and people that have no rights to be in this country should be returned

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home, but... Your colleague Gordon Henderson is currently backing the

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bid of an 18-year-old who lives in Sittingbourne to stay in this

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country, he is having his appeal heard, he was held in a detention

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centre. If the completely off message? He is one of your own MPs.

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If you're still having the appeal heard. He has already been

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rejected. But he is appealing. The legal process takes a long time.

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Those that have the rights to stay in this country, fine, we should

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spend money integrating them, and we do that, but if they do not have the

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right to be here, then we should send them home. One of the things

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that has happened, particularly with Kent, a few years ago, this dispute

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was about �5 million. What has happened is, we have far fewer

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unaccompanied asylum seeking children trying to come to this

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country than we used to, and that is one of the issues. There is a

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geographical reality for Kent, it is the first port of call for

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immigrants, legal or otherwise, Damien says he does not want

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taxpayers money spent on this, when people talk about the burden, is

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that a legitimate concern or closet racism? I prefer to look at it as

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Kent is nearest to the channel, and I preferred to look at the

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recommendations of the committee which was that the government should

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centrally fund the payment, the expenses of the young people that

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are awaiting appeal and that is entirely right. They are also

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calling for a much more child focused strategy and a government

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strategy. This feeds into public perception of immigration, I will

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read a quote from Charlie Elphick for Dover and steel, morally wrong

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to bring people in to do the work our own countrymen can do. It is bad

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for the economy, bad for the taxpayer and bad for my

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constituency, all immigration? just wrong. Izzy? He is attracting

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people that will vote for UKIP in the next election! We have inherited

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a system where roughly a quarter of a million people a year net came to

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this country. We have brought that and to tens of thousands, it is down

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to 150,000 a year already. Is all immigration bad? Not all immigration

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is bad. The trouble is, if voters agree with UKIP, then you asked

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after the next election! UKIP is a cross between fantasy and

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identifying a scapegoat. People are quite right... That is very

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insulting to the many people that voted UKIP at the last elections.

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The people that voted UKIP are looking at what UKIP are saying and

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I reading the right wing tabloids, they are reading the myths about the

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numbers of Romanians that will come to this country, it is not based on

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fact. What will your policy be? In your nutshell, a few sentences for

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the next election on immigration that are true and are distinct from

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UKIP? We are distinct from UKIP because we say that highly skilled

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immigration, people with specific skills to benefit this country, they

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are welcome in this country. We cannot have the system inherited

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from the Labour government of mass immigration of all kinds. That is

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what we have been reducing very stringently in this parliament and

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will carry on doing so under a Conservative government. You might

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need to have a word with Charlie Elphick!

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Time for a round-up now with the latest in politics in the area.

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Leader of the airport commission sir Howard Davies came into Medway this

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week for arguments for and against a Thames Street airport, but will the

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plan ever take off? It has given us a better picture of the nature of

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the challenge of putting a new airport in this area. The lights

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could be going out in Kent, the council are proposing to turn off

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70,000 streetlights overnight to save money and cut emissions.

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A boat capsised in the Dover Strait this week, following a dramatic

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rescue, ten people were arrested on suspicion of people smuggling. Local

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MP Charlie Elphick says that evil smuggling must be stopped. And

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Caroline Lucas was ironically told to cover up because her T-shirt

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broke the West Minster dress code. She carried on regardless. This is

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thought to be inappropriate to be wearing in this house, but it is

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appropriate for this kind of newspaper to be available to buy Ex

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to buy Ex to buy! She is saying what is common sense, we should not

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identify and objectify women on page three, this is just... ! It is

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generally women on page three! Not people! The serious point is, that's

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little extract showing the dress code of Parliament actually being

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enforced. What is the point? ! was a great stunt. You do not want

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MPs turning into slogan boards, because of somebody gets away with

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it, everyone will be doing it. Caroline Lucas says the tendency to

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view women as objects leads to and acceptance of aggressive attitudes

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and behaviour, aggressive attitude and behaviour as the norm, you are

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the Minister for criminal Justice, do you agree? There are serious

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issues about things you can see on the Internet. Page three is a

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