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In the second West, disillusioned voters say that though local


elections will not stop the planet incinerator.


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And fears for the future all or Hello and welcome to the programme.


Coming up on the Sunday Politics in the south-west, the farmers to care


for some of her most treasured landscapes are worried that they


will lose the funding they get from Europe.


And for the next 20 minutes I am joined by Alison Seabeck and Keith


Baldry, the Lib Dem councillor for the south.


This week has been dominated by the fall-out from the Budget. Keith, do


you think George Osborne was aware of how that the political fall-out


would be with the granny tax and his other taxes? The Government has


been caught unaware. I have never known a budget debate to go on for


so long after the Budget. The most disgraceful decision would seem to


be the cut in the top rate of tax. But you also mentioned things like


the pasty tax, which will be unpopular with people who can least


afford to pay. Alison Seabeck, what do you make of this? Some people


think the Cornish MPs should resign over this. Far be it from me to


comment on the internal grief of the coalition, the budget was


described as a Budget budget, and I think the Prime Minister and the


Chancellor have really lost touch with their backbenchers and they


have a lot of unhappy backbenchers from both parties. More from report


in a moment, but first to a top story which is, with the local


elections just a fortnight away, the battle for votes in Plymouth is


intensifying. Labour needs to gain just four seats to take control


from the Tories. One issue at the forefront of some of voters' minds


is the Conservatives decision to approve plans for a large


incinerator at the edge of Devonport dockyards. They happen to


be voting in one of the city's most marginal wards, but the Labour


manifesto stopped short of promising to scrap the plants. Many


voters feel disillusioned. A few years ago, Donna and Stewart


were ordinarily resident. But the prospect of having an incinerator


on their doorstep has turned them into active campaigners who have a


keen eye on the local elections. am waking up in the morning


thinking of how to do fundraising to get money to battle this


incinerator, to help for legal fees. My whole waking life, sleeping with,


is all about this. It is just about this. So May 3rd can hopefully


change things, but I am not sure. The Conservatives one of the sport


by just 20 votes last time it was up for election. -- Conservatives


are one of this ward. Since then, this has become an issue closely


aligned with both parties vying for power.


Last December when the planning committee met, to consider the


application for the incinerator, the public gallery was packed with


protesters. So many people turned up that the council set up a run in


the Guild Hall across the road so that they could watch proceedings


via a video link. What they saw were seven Conservative councillors


voting in favour of the application and five Labour councillors voting


against it. But this award is not necessarily


an open goal for Labour. The contracts have been signed and they


will have big financial penalties to pay at the build does not go


ahead. The Labour Party manifesto stops short of saying it will not


be built. Although I was led to believe by the Labour Party that


they will review the legal side of things, I see now from their


manifesto that they are in fact saying that they will inherit an


incinerator from the Tories, and they will do their best to ensure


that the city never build a second one. I think that is something and


nothing of a statement. The Labour Party says it will work with


residents in their fight to overturn the planning decision.


Meanwhile, the Conservatives defend their decision and say they plan to


save the council money, create jobs and generate energy around the


dockyard. They argue it is a much it needed solution for waste


control as landfill charges are becoming less of an option.


The National Party policy paper says that we will not allow it new


incinerators for municipal waste unless they can show that they are


the best option of a considered alternatives. A cross the border at


Cornwall Council, it was a Lib Dem administration that signed the


contract for the controversial plant. The Green Party opposes


incineration, they have five candidates standing in the play


with elections but none of them are standing in this ward. We are


supporting five candidates in five wards, where they have come forward


and a vocal active people. Unfortunately, we did not have


someone like that. We do not push people into constituencies and


words, be they are hoping for someone to come up but no wonder


that this time. You kept are contesting this ward. They are


critical of landfill directives. -- these UK Independence Party. They


are not against incineration pair say. It is a totally wrong location.


If it was in the middle of the countryside, an area with no houses


or anyone who would, if you like, have a problem with that, that


would be fine. But we cannot have it in the middle of a city. Will


the political debate continues, campaigners look to the courts and


a judicial review to try and stop the incinerator being built.


Be heard their front two of the parties contesting elections in


Plymouth, and joining us now to represent another is the


Conservative councillor Ian Bowyer. Welcome to the programme. There are


many people out there who do not like the incinerator idea, a


decision that the Tories made last year. Will it come back to haunt


you? I think I need to make it clear that the myth is the 15th


largest city in the country, we need an infrastructure to support


that population. -- that Plymouth is the 15th largest city. We need


to answer this huge question about what to do with the city's waste.


We cannot keep putting it into the ground. That is environmentally


damaging and the most expensive way. We think the solution is the right


one for the city of Plymouth because the city employs a


technology that works. Alison, the Conservatives at and -- are


defending their position and be clear about it, a Labour been


opportunistic here? And the manifesto, Labour are not saying


they will scrap it, but they're saying they are against it and what


they will not do is build a second one when there is no suggestion of


building a second one at all. It is clouded. There are other options


for other similar types of technology in and around Plymouth.


That is technically not wrong, we opposed the incinerator and did so


prior to the last local elections. Four years ago you were making


plans to sell for an incinerator. Not necessarily in the dockyard in


front of those houses. I suppose that on planning grounds, because


the families in those houses will be 160 metres from this constantly


humming and very large building. These elections then will not make


a difference, to your opinion and Labour's used? The problem we have


is that it has gone through Joe -- gone through due process, and I


have run to the Home Secretary twice to say it should be looked at.


On two occasions, the Conservative Government said it would not. The


people we have heard from in the film be have reeled genuine worries


about this and are taking it to judicial review quite rightly. It


must go through that process and we must see what the decision is at


the end of that. What we have to see of course is, with waste in the


future, let's have a proper debate which did not happen in this


instance about the alternatives. Hang on, this is a classic example


of Labour being disingenuous. Your colleagues left behind a waste-


management strategy in federate 2007 before the last Labour council


left office which clearly stated that the way forward was


incineration. Now they are tried to be opportunistic and exploit for


electoral gain people's discomfort. That is disreputable and you


shouldn't be doing that. manifesto is quite clear. It does


not say we are opposed to incineration. He signed and left


behind a waste-management strategy and federate 2007 which charted the


way to the position we have now. -- in February. Let's bring in Keith


Baldry, because the Lib Dems are saying that they will work with


local people to fight the incinerator. He had been clear


about that, while in Cornwall it is Lib Dems have voted for their


incinerator and to send that contract in 2006. What is the Lib


Dem position? The major difference is the location of the incinerator,


which is in an urban area close to people's homes. I am worried, first


on the health side which has not proved one way or the other, and in


the United States they have much more stringent health checks on


these things, but more than that, it is the placement where it has


been put. It is the number of vehicle movements which will go in


and out of their through the city. Given all of that, if you scrapped


it, how much would it cost? How many millions? The scrapping of it,


there must be at an alternative site. I am sure an alternative site


could be found that would not be near to people's homes. In my ward,


there is a proposal from a different developer to place an


incinerator in my ward which could bring vehicles to had passed houses,


that is not the place to put it. Talking about alternative sites,


the previous Labour council bought another site that was specifically


reserved for waste management. We're saying that it is not OK for


Devonport but it is OK and a new by area. It is not hokey... What I'm


saying is it is not OK to. We need the support the naval base and


support jobs in the naval base. planning grounds, it was not


appropriate for the people in that ward, to look at a building they


will have a home near and still have a strong feeling about that


come the election. I am not a member of the planning the


authority, but you will note that the matter was aired in public and


the decision was taken. I am not against incineration in principle,


in a am just say that is where you put it. I hope not, because they


are no new plans to cut 10 new sites throughout the county. -- to


put 10 new site. You are involved in this next, if it is all right in


Plymouth it should be all right in Devon, what is the difference?


hate to stop you there, but we must move on.


Upland farmers are proud custodians of some of the South West's most


impressive scenery. Those on Dartmoor or Exmoor and Bodmin Moor


depend on money to challenge the harsh conditions which challenge


their farm. Though the European Commission is considering changing


the support criteria and redrawing the funding bounties. That has made


many at hill farmers are very concerned about their future.


There are landscapes which have remained unspoiled for centuries.


Our home to wild life at the Recreation Ground for visitors. To


some, these moors and peaks are central to our livelihood. Those


who farm the south-west's Cup and areas are key to the maintenance of


the land and the well-being of wildlife. Exmoor, like other upland


areas in the region, offers limited agricultural potential and as such


has been designated as a less favourable area, or L F A. It is a


classification that can attract additional funding, so Hill farmers


do not want to lose it. If you take this out, which will be due to its


wards status, that it over there will remain in and apart even


further over there might appear within it. That does not appear to


make any logical sense. European Union are proposing a


change to the realities are identified. The criteria involved


and which boundaries to be used. This map shows existing L F he's in


the south-west, and under the new plant less favoured areas, areas of


natural constraint, have shrunk and shifted. In some cases they have


disappeared. We are receiving so news of that really does worry us.


The show large part of the up plants disappearing from this


designation. Defra have yet to complete their investigation and


they are tried to endeavour to get them to match the existing


boundaries. It is beholden on us all to really keep the pressure on


to make sure we do not see boundaries that are not really


reflect what it is like on the ground. The European Commission


favours the use of electoral ward boundaries over a National Park or


were land boundaries to identify their areas of natural constraint.


There is a slight problem in the ward boundaries are political


boundaries and the change. Relatively frequently in this


country, that is something the Duke did not appear to be lies was


likely to be a problem. -- the United -- the European Union.


Places like the south-west and hope we be more up fairly recognised


under the new measures. The new regulations will have a huge impact


on the viability of an awful lot of up and farms. It is attempting to


try and make sure that we can get the best deal possible and retained


the landscape and a farming system such as we have at the moment.


To discuss this we welcome the Conservative MP Neil Parish, who


joins us from our Exeter studio. Is this a problem in the approach of


the European Union? Changing demands had trekked here is all


heart one size fits all approach to European countries which does not


really work and could mean that her up and farmers miss out?


experience of Europe is that they very often try to bring in one size


fits all, and there are also looking at altitude as well and


this does not fit her lovely landscape areas which of course


need The Help not only for farming and wildlife, but also for the


tourism aspects of it. The whole way of life on Exmoor. We must


fight this, and I know were at the court will Minister is hard at work


trying to make sure that they do not change the rules that rule a


not change the rules that rule a lot of her land out of their L F A


E S. His -- is there a case that the British Government should do


more to subsidise this? Such as say the French do with suckler cows?


Yes, we can always look as we reform the ad because of Paul say


whether we need to send more money towards the up plans. Everyone at


Green Agriculture Policy then there is nowhere better than these


uplands and Mergers to actually support the farming and wildlife


and environment. I am very keen to see if we can make some tweaks.


There is money there that we can look at. It is a case of whether we


can do so. Alison, is Neil right that the Government should


subsidise the upland farmers? was a scheme and brought in under


the last Government in 2010 where ministers at the time of burned the


midnight oil with members of the end if you, in order to try and


come up with a scheme that offers some support. So clearly there is


scope for that with and this, but Neil is absolutely right to try and


impose a sort of one size fits all in this instance does not make


sense, particularly as our boundaries keep moving. I would be


very supportive of the minister who is going to try and battle and


bring some sense to the shape we have around her murder and areas.


Keith Baldry, do you agree? Should be subsidised those people? I ate


the with a lot of what has been said. I have been speaking to


Graham Watson MEP on Friday about this and it is absolutely true,


having A1 size fits all does not work. Even within England, this


does not work as there are differences even between Dartmoor


and Exmoor. There is a need for something to be done, because at


the moment, half of the agricultural area in Europe is


claiming these special needs. It is clear that some of the other


partner states acclaim when they are not entitled to and we need to


win back into life. Fact you very much.


Now they have her round-up of the Unemployment figures show the


number of people on the dole has gone up by 10% and the last year.


My nesses is pregnant and I do not have enough money to support us


both. Some people in Cornwall enjoyed


their third week without a rubbish collection. It is still clocking up


and gain an eyesore. It is ridiculous now. There was a record


turnout in Guernsey would stop -- for an election would so the


longest-standing deputy lose his seat.


The Conservative leader of Somerset County Council announced he is


stepping down as we can stand for election as a police commissioner.


And Cornel's MPs fail in their attempt to stop the past the tax on


Wednesday night. Stephen Gilbert made his feelings clear to the


Prime Minister. There is no VAT tax on caviar, but the Government is


choosing to put VAT on the Cornish That was our round-up of the


political week in 60 seconds. Alison, have become the first,


unemployment figures mentioned their up 10% year on year. A


worrying is that you might it is extremely worrying, and if you look


into the figures, the number of long-term unemployed is very


worrying. The lessons we learnt from the problems he had in the 90s


a car that the more people are and that gripped the harder it is to


actually get the economy to pick up again and get them back to work. We


must do something about that, and one in a particular also, the


number of women unemployed are also rising. Keith, what is the


coalition doing? This is terribly worrying, be made a fuss about the


granny tax and quite so. The people at the other end, the youngsters


are a big concern. It is a long- term unemployment and the prospects


for them in the future which is an enormous body and we must hope that


the economy takes off. In our area, there were serious.


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