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flagship government policy which was supposed to solve our housing

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1884 seconds

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crisis. One of Devon's new says localism as a myth.

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I am joined by the newly elected Labour councillor Candy Atherton,

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congratulations to you, and the Lib Dem MP Adrian Sanders. Let us start

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with something which wasn't in the Queens speech.

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Minimum alcohol pricing. Opponents warned that by dropping it, they

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risk sending out the wrong message about public health. This goes

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towards what this is doing to our communities. We note that there are

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studied hundred 5000 children in this country living with a dependent

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strength. Not just a hazardous or harmful drinker but someone who is

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dependent on alcohol. Why was minimum pricing of alcohol dropped

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from the Queen's Speech? Is it anything to do with the threat from

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UKIP and needs to bring in new emigration measures? It is to do

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with the evidence not being there and there are better ways to tackle

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problems. The problem is irresponsible deals offered by

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clubs, pubs and supermarkets. are happy to see minimum pricing

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getting dropped from the agenda? think minimum pricing as a red

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herring. It is not in the interests of any government to increase the

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cost of something that most people use quite responsibly. David Davis

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says we need to get away from a perception of the government all

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being its audience. I think there are better ways of tackling the

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problem of alcohol abuse and putting up the price for everyone. Has the

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government done the right thing? Absolutely not. They caved in to the

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lobbying from the alcohol industry. Our pubs are struggling cause the

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competing with supermarkets. Do rerelease want to see all of our

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pubs closed down because supermarkets cynically puts out

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cheap alcohol which will take out the pubs. The tax would put the

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price up for alcohol and pubs as well. You caved in! Do you think

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there has been a reaction to UKIP and the need to be seen to be

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pushing emigration measures? That might be but there is far more.

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There was lobbying to make sure that the government didn't put this

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through. Lots of money spent by the big companies.

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We have to move on. Localism is one of the government's flagship

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policies and we were told it would provide answers to how many houses

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to build and where to build them. But one newly elected councillor

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feels that localism as a myth. She thinks the disillusionment on the

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doorstep goes some way to explaining her thumping majority.

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Localism is meant to bring power back to communities but here in East

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Devon there is a sense of disillusionment with the Prime

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Minister 's flagship policy. I think localism is a myth and when the

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Conservatives started talking about it, I was as excited as anybody and

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thought how wonderful and how sensible. It seemed like a whole new

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era but it seems like things have changed grammatically. Development

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is a big issue around here. On the doorstep people were talking about

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that because they were saying, whatever we object to, it will

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happen anyway. One-man mould his lawn in support of an independent

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candidate. There's been no development at all people do not get

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listened to. Claire Wright took the Ottery St Mary seat with a massive

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74% share. But then any other council in the Devon County

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elections. I've knocked on hundreds of doors and I've got a good

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response from most people so I hope to be elected but I was completely

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staggered by the results. Claire has been fighting plans to build 130

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homes on the site. Planning application was submitted over a

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year ago and the council rejected it. Everyone agreed that the best

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site for housing was on the West, where the links to the A30 were

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better. The scheme was approved on appeal because the council couldn't

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prove that it had a five-year housing supply. This is a classic

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example of supply not working. People have said they want

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development on the other side of Ottery St Mary. We are currently

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looking at a 40% increase in the size of the village which is

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completely unsustainable. Susie Bond is the newly dead work -- newly

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elected independent councillor here. I admit that it looks a bit over the

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top, saying things like if I can't get you planning then nobody will.

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The police investigations into his actions are ongoing. More than half

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the village turned out. I don't think it was as much to do but

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conservatives as the fact that he ran a planning consultancy. Whether

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the two are linked, we are yet to find out. The row over how many

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homes should be built in this area is far from being settled.

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We are joined by the Conservative leader of East Devonshire Council.

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We have some strong comments there. One man said people don't get

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listened to. They don't believe that local people are being allowed to

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make planning permission is at a local level. What do you say to

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that? Localism isn't dead as such. Both those ladies are to be

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congratulated on doing so well in the elections. The planning

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Inspectorate turned our decision down. It went to appeal and was

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taken on. It Mac that is the point then that localism didn't work.

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Where does that leave localism, the big flagship Tory policy if these

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local decisions and being listened to? I think it is a Westminster

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issue rather than one we have done here. We like to work with our local

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communities. I have enormous sympathy with the people of then

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attend. -- Feniton. This kind of road is not limited to East Devon.

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Where do you believe this leaves East Devon. We have top-down housing

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targets being brought in by the back door. We haven't got localism yet

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and the planning applications you referred to were before the bill

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came in. We have local councils putting together their plans...

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plans were supposed to be in by March and this has been turned down

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postmarks. That is a problem for the council. Can I just ask the

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council... They would have been able to turn them down and that is the

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point of localism. If you had got your plans on, the planning

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Inspectorate wouldn't have been able to turn them down. Why didn't you

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get them in by March? We went through a year-long consultation

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process and wanted to make sure that it would reflect the wishes of

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people. Are you just fighting it? You don't want to be responsible for

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building an unpopular areas? There was a considerable amount of

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consultation in order to get the best possible reflection of local

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interests. Other areas are using it properly by getting the consultation

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done in the proper time. There is double protection against the

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planning inspector getting involved. What you make of this whole row?

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don't want to get involved in the Devon Road because I am representing

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Cornwall. You now have the opportunity to make decisions at the

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local level, do you believe that? think there are people that feel

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that there is a lot of housing going on in that they had not been

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involved in the planning of. I would say to the government that this is

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not the time to stall all housing. We are now building the same amount

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that we did in the 1920s. It has been a cliff face fall of housing.

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We are desperate for houses that we can afford. What would you say to

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that point, that we shouldn't have abandoned national housing targets?

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I think the point is that people cannot afford to buy cause wages are

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low. We are certainly trying to get the housing market moving again but

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were candy is right and I have been on this programme many times before

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and said, is that we should be building for local needs, not for

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local developers in order to market outside the area. So why in the

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budget at the core Lycian put forward a ban on to people who want

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to buy a second home? It is nonsense. It is not for people but

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wants to buy a second home. It is so that all of us who want to own our

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own home get help. The minister said he would not want to see this

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happen. Have you any examples of people using money that smacked

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using the scheme to buy a second home? You have made a decision in

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Cornwall that 45,000 homes will be built in the next few years. Well

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that's all the housing crisis? Not necessarily. If we're going to have

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executive -style homes rather than homes that may be smaller to reflect

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the changing lifestyles were saying, then it won't be. It has got to be a

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mixture. I'll go back to Paul briefly. Rather than see 130 homes

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to be slapped on the edge of Exeter, got even more local, 20

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homes in a very small locality where people agree where to put them.

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terms of the local plan, people don't want to see any development

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beyond five. There are one or two exceptions to that. We haven't quite

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got time to go any further but thank you very much for joining us.

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It is more than one week since the local elections but we still do not

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know all which party or parties will run Cornwall. There is talk of the

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rainbow alliance between all the political groups but the recent

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massive row about whether to put up council tax or cut services is fresh

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in many peoples minds and awkward compromises seem on the cards.

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There were shocks, surprises... insured. And celebrations. Last

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weeks local elections in Cornwall delivered them all. But as the dust

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settles, it is time to get down to business. The biggest players in

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County Hall or no the Lib Dems with 36 seats. This means that the

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council is under no overall control and that means that the deal needs

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to be done. Earlier this week, the leader of the Lib Dem group

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announced they were seeking an alliance made up of all the parties.

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I think it is a case of us having to find a way to work together and I am

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pretty optimistic about it. We have had constructive conversations.

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would have thought that the established parties might have ended

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up courting UKIP? There have been some informal approaches. We are all

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here for the same reason so it won't heart well it, a bit of Corporation.

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She seems to be hedging her bets when she spoke to me. It may need to

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be done but we will be looking at what is the best thing we can do for

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Cornwall. Independents say that they have collectively agreed to derail

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bore alliance. The main parties have yet to decide their position so we

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have been speaking to the groups and finding out how they feel. But it

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wasn't so long ago that there were deep divisions between the groups.

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Most of the independents refused to back the budget measures. It sort

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big cuts to adult and children's services. It is an insult.The horse

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trading at County Hall should be over by the 1st of May. That is when

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a new leader will be elected. We are now joined by former Cornwall

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Council member who left the Conservatives because of what he

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called the cynical party politics in the budget. He lost his seat in the

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recent election. Welcome to the programme. A rainbow alliance sounds

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like quite a good solution, doesn't it? It is an excellent idea. It was

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first proposed in 2009 and was rejected by the Liberal Democrats.

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We come back to talking about integrity in party politics.

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likely is it that the coalition will be formed? I think if no coalition

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is formed then we might as well have another election because the council

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will be unmanageable. There would be no guaranteed policy. There is a lot

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of antagonism within the different groups so could it even work?

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is a lot of history, not just for this particular council but for

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previous councils. But I would call on any political party to put the

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candidates -- the people first. would rather the money was spent on

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adult social care than on an election. Had he been approached to

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take part in the alliance? We all had an e-mail which looked like

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something that was written on the back of an envelope. It was

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regrettable. This is about Cornwall Council is coming up with a

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solution. Having been told by the electorate that they didn't want any

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particular party. We did well by going from zero to eight right

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across the country -- Co. Decisions have been made and the budget has

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been cut so will you now see cuts to services? There have already been

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cuts. Which services makes no supper? Adult care will be cut and a

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number of areas. Background staff will be cut. I am a new counsellor

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so I need to go through everything with a fine tooth comb. What about

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scrutiny? If all members are taking part in a rainbow alliance, there

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will be no opposition, will there? Who will scrutinise from within?

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have no doubt that anyone who is not any position executive power will

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scrutinise those who are. Local government is fixed term and if you

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don't agree then things will go on for ever. The danger is handing

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council control to the officers. will probably come back to that any

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different programme. It is time for our round-up of the

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political week. Protesters gathered at Cornwall

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Council angry at the re-elections of Colin Brewer, the councillor who

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said that disabled children should be put down. I think Colin Brewer's

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column names -- comments were disgusting and he's now trying to

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make a joke out of it. New figures show a big rise in the number of

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children in care since the Baby P scandal.

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And Dorset it is up by almost 500%. The National Union of Teachers spoke

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out against the rising number of academies in the region. They are

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still unproven. Our finding an increasing number of areas are still

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having difficulties. When they go into those that are called these,

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they don't have the structure that local authorities have to help them

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get out of it. I want to ask you briefly about the

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re-election of Colin Brewer, the councillor who made headlines by

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saying that disabled children should be put down. People voted him back

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in, that's the Democratic process, should the witchhunt continue?

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think it would be very difficult for him to continue as a counsellor but

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I do not agree with our witchhunt. Why did he get back in? It is not

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the products you can take back to the shop. Whoever is elected is

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there for their term of office and it is better to find out more about

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