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flagship government policy which was supposed to solve our housing
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crisis. One of Devon's new says localism as a myth.
I am joined by the newly elected Labour councillor Candy Atherton,
congratulations to you, and the Lib Dem MP Adrian Sanders. Let us start
with something which wasn't in the Queens speech.
Minimum alcohol pricing. Opponents warned that by dropping it, they
risk sending out the wrong message about public health. This goes
towards what this is doing to our communities. We note that there are
studied hundred 5000 children in this country living with a dependent
strength. Not just a hazardous or harmful drinker but someone who is
dependent on alcohol. Why was minimum pricing of alcohol dropped
from the Queen's Speech? Is it anything to do with the threat from
UKIP and needs to bring in new emigration measures? It is to do
with the evidence not being there and there are better ways to tackle
problems. The problem is irresponsible deals offered by
clubs, pubs and supermarkets. are happy to see minimum pricing
getting dropped from the agenda? think minimum pricing as a red
herring. It is not in the interests of any government to increase the
cost of something that most people use quite responsibly. David Davis
says we need to get away from a perception of the government all
being its audience. I think there are better ways of tackling the
problem of alcohol abuse and putting up the price for everyone. Has the
government done the right thing? Absolutely not. They caved in to the
lobbying from the alcohol industry. Our pubs are struggling cause the
competing with supermarkets. Do rerelease want to see all of our
pubs closed down because supermarkets cynically puts out
cheap alcohol which will take out the pubs. The tax would put the
price up for alcohol and pubs as well. You caved in! Do you think
there has been a reaction to UKIP and the need to be seen to be
pushing emigration measures? That might be but there is far more.
There was lobbying to make sure that the government didn't put this
through. Lots of money spent by the big companies.
We have to move on. Localism is one of the government's flagship
policies and we were told it would provide answers to how many houses
to build and where to build them. But one newly elected councillor
feels that localism as a myth. She thinks the disillusionment on the
doorstep goes some way to explaining her thumping majority.
Localism is meant to bring power back to communities but here in East
Devon there is a sense of disillusionment with the Prime
Minister 's flagship policy. I think localism is a myth and when the
Conservatives started talking about it, I was as excited as anybody and
thought how wonderful and how sensible. It seemed like a whole new
era but it seems like things have changed grammatically. Development
is a big issue around here. On the doorstep people were talking about
that because they were saying, whatever we object to, it will
happen anyway. One-man mould his lawn in support of an independent
candidate. There's been no development at all people do not get
listened to. Claire Wright took the Ottery St Mary seat with a massive
74% share. But then any other council in the Devon County
elections. I've knocked on hundreds of doors and I've got a good
response from most people so I hope to be elected but I was completely
staggered by the results. Claire has been fighting plans to build 130
homes on the site. Planning application was submitted over a
year ago and the council rejected it. Everyone agreed that the best
site for housing was on the West, where the links to the A30 were
better. The scheme was approved on appeal because the council couldn't
prove that it had a five-year housing supply. This is a classic
example of supply not working. People have said they want
development on the other side of Ottery St Mary. We are currently
looking at a 40% increase in the size of the village which is
completely unsustainable. Susie Bond is the newly dead work -- newly
elected independent councillor here. I admit that it looks a bit over the
top, saying things like if I can't get you planning then nobody will.
The police investigations into his actions are ongoing. More than half
the village turned out. I don't think it was as much to do but
conservatives as the fact that he ran a planning consultancy. Whether
the two are linked, we are yet to find out. The row over how many
homes should be built in this area is far from being settled.
We are joined by the Conservative leader of East Devonshire Council.
We have some strong comments there. One man said people don't get
listened to. They don't believe that local people are being allowed to
make planning permission is at a local level. What do you say to
that? Localism isn't dead as such. Both those ladies are to be
congratulated on doing so well in the elections. The planning
Inspectorate turned our decision down. It went to appeal and was
taken on. It Mac that is the point then that localism didn't work.
Where does that leave localism, the big flagship Tory policy if these
local decisions and being listened to? I think it is a Westminster
issue rather than one we have done here. We like to work with our local
communities. I have enormous sympathy with the people of then
attend. -- Feniton. This kind of road is not limited to East Devon.
Where do you believe this leaves East Devon. We have top-down housing
targets being brought in by the back door. We haven't got localism yet
and the planning applications you referred to were before the bill
came in. We have local councils putting together their plans...
plans were supposed to be in by March and this has been turned down
postmarks. That is a problem for the council. Can I just ask the
council... They would have been able to turn them down and that is the
point of localism. If you had got your plans on, the planning
Inspectorate wouldn't have been able to turn them down. Why didn't you
get them in by March? We went through a year-long consultation
process and wanted to make sure that it would reflect the wishes of
people. Are you just fighting it? You don't want to be responsible for
building an unpopular areas? There was a considerable amount of
consultation in order to get the best possible reflection of local
interests. Other areas are using it properly by getting the consultation
done in the proper time. There is double protection against the
planning inspector getting involved. What you make of this whole row?
don't want to get involved in the Devon Road because I am representing
Cornwall. You now have the opportunity to make decisions at the
local level, do you believe that? think there are people that feel
that there is a lot of housing going on in that they had not been
involved in the planning of. I would say to the government that this is
not the time to stall all housing. We are now building the same amount
that we did in the 1920s. It has been a cliff face fall of housing.
We are desperate for houses that we can afford. What would you say to
that point, that we shouldn't have abandoned national housing targets?
I think the point is that people cannot afford to buy cause wages are
low. We are certainly trying to get the housing market moving again but
were candy is right and I have been on this programme many times before
and said, is that we should be building for local needs, not for
local developers in order to market outside the area. So why in the
budget at the core Lycian put forward a ban on to people who want
to buy a second home? It is nonsense. It is not for people but
wants to buy a second home. It is so that all of us who want to own our
own home get help. The minister said he would not want to see this
happen. Have you any examples of people using money that smacked
using the scheme to buy a second home? You have made a decision in
Cornwall that 45,000 homes will be built in the next few years. Well
that's all the housing crisis? Not necessarily. If we're going to have
executive -style homes rather than homes that may be smaller to reflect
the changing lifestyles were saying, then it won't be. It has got to be a
mixture. I'll go back to Paul briefly. Rather than see 130 homes
to be slapped on the edge of Exeter, got even more local, 20
homes in a very small locality where people agree where to put them.
terms of the local plan, people don't want to see any development
beyond five. There are one or two exceptions to that. We haven't quite
got time to go any further but thank you very much for joining us.
It is more than one week since the local elections but we still do not
know all which party or parties will run Cornwall. There is talk of the
rainbow alliance between all the political groups but the recent
massive row about whether to put up council tax or cut services is fresh
in many peoples minds and awkward compromises seem on the cards.
There were shocks, surprises... insured. And celebrations. Last
weeks local elections in Cornwall delivered them all. But as the dust
settles, it is time to get down to business. The biggest players in
County Hall or no the Lib Dems with 36 seats. This means that the
council is under no overall control and that means that the deal needs
to be done. Earlier this week, the leader of the Lib Dem group
announced they were seeking an alliance made up of all the parties.
I think it is a case of us having to find a way to work together and I am
pretty optimistic about it. We have had constructive conversations.
would have thought that the established parties might have ended
up courting UKIP? There have been some informal approaches. We are all
here for the same reason so it won't heart well it, a bit of Corporation.
She seems to be hedging her bets when she spoke to me. It may need to
be done but we will be looking at what is the best thing we can do for
Cornwall. Independents say that they have collectively agreed to derail
bore alliance. The main parties have yet to decide their position so we
have been speaking to the groups and finding out how they feel. But it
wasn't so long ago that there were deep divisions between the groups.
Most of the independents refused to back the budget measures. It sort
big cuts to adult and children's services. It is an insult.The horse
trading at County Hall should be over by the 1st of May. That is when
a new leader will be elected. We are now joined by former Cornwall
Council member who left the Conservatives because of what he
called the cynical party politics in the budget. He lost his seat in the
recent election. Welcome to the programme. A rainbow alliance sounds
like quite a good solution, doesn't it? It is an excellent idea. It was
first proposed in 2009 and was rejected by the Liberal Democrats.
We come back to talking about integrity in party politics.
likely is it that the coalition will be formed? I think if no coalition
is formed then we might as well have another election because the council
will be unmanageable. There would be no guaranteed policy. There is a lot
of antagonism within the different groups so could it even work?
is a lot of history, not just for this particular council but for
previous councils. But I would call on any political party to put the
candidates -- the people first. would rather the money was spent on
adult social care than on an election. Had he been approached to
take part in the alliance? We all had an e-mail which looked like
something that was written on the back of an envelope. It was
regrettable. This is about Cornwall Council is coming up with a
solution. Having been told by the electorate that they didn't want any
particular party. We did well by going from zero to eight right
across the country -- Co. Decisions have been made and the budget has
been cut so will you now see cuts to services? There have already been
cuts. Which services makes no supper? Adult care will be cut and a
number of areas. Background staff will be cut. I am a new counsellor
so I need to go through everything with a fine tooth comb. What about
scrutiny? If all members are taking part in a rainbow alliance, there
will be no opposition, will there? Who will scrutinise from within?
have no doubt that anyone who is not any position executive power will
scrutinise those who are. Local government is fixed term and if you
don't agree then things will go on for ever. The danger is handing
council control to the officers. will probably come back to that any
different programme. It is time for our round-up of the
political week. Protesters gathered at Cornwall
Council angry at the re-elections of Colin Brewer, the councillor who
said that disabled children should be put down. I think Colin Brewer's
column names -- comments were disgusting and he's now trying to
make a joke out of it. New figures show a big rise in the number of
children in care since the Baby P scandal.
And Dorset it is up by almost 500%. The National Union of Teachers spoke
out against the rising number of academies in the region. They are
still unproven. Our finding an increasing number of areas are still
having difficulties. When they go into those that are called these,
they don't have the structure that local authorities have to help them
get out of it. I want to ask you briefly about the
re-election of Colin Brewer, the councillor who made headlines by
saying that disabled children should be put down. People voted him back
in, that's the Democratic process, should the witchhunt continue?
think it would be very difficult for him to continue as a counsellor but
I do not agree with our witchhunt. Why did he get back in? It is not
the products you can take back to the shop. Whoever is elected is
there for their term of office and it is better to find out more about
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