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one of those Tory MPs who wanted Europe in the Queen's Speech.

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And ministers are told they must do more to protect our railway from

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2161 seconds

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Hello. Coming up on the Sunday Politics in the South West: The

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warning that ministers are not doing enough to stop the region being cut

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off by extreme weather. And for the next 20 minutes, I am

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joined by the Conservative MP Mel Stride and the Labour peer Lord

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Whitty. Welcome both of you to the programme. Let's start with this

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week's jobs figures, which once again showed a fall in the number of

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people out of work and claiming benefit. Significantly the claimant

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count is down year on year in every part of the South West.

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This appears to be good news. face of it, it is good news. But

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there are odd things with the statistics. Employment figures are

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going up and down. A lot of new jobs are very part time, even zero hours.

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People are moving into self-employment. I think we should

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welcome it strongly. We need proper jobs, serious jobs, better going to

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be long-term for people of the South West and the of the country.

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underemployment is a problem in your constituency? I don't think so. A

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job as important, as opposed to being out of work. We have seen a

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movement from part-time to full-time work as a trend. We have seen a

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movement from temporary to permanent work as well. We have seen women in

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work increase. That masks these figures of employment because

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actually unemployment has risen and yet the numbers of people claiming

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has actually gone down. If you look at the number that have been

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unemployed over the previous period last year, the record has not been

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too bad. Most economists have been slightly confused by that, but it is

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one of the aspect of our record that I think has been more positive than

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negative. Unemployment hasn't played as big a part in this recession as

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the 1980s. Thankfully employers are hanging on experienced Labour. But

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we also have these odd sort of choirs eyedrops the economy. --

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quasi-jobs. But some of these jobs are vulnerable in terms of looking

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after your family. The European drum has been banging

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away all week at Westminster. Among the Conservative MPs pressing David

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Cameron for a more solid commitment to an in-out vote were six from the

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South West. Our reporter has been getting reaction to the row from

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business people in Cornwall. Some politicians think it is the

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burning question. Europe, in or out? In, out, shake it all about.

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Entrepreneurs are meeting here to swap ideas, hungry to grow their

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businesses. Export is a key theme. Europe is a hot topic. We have many

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small businesses that need to collaborate together to get exports

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anyway. To put anything that puts that at risk is crazy. More than any

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other county in the country, we have 22,000 small businesses that need

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all the help they can get. As far as having a common market is concerned,

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it makes perfect sense for businesses to be trading on a bigger

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field. Ultimately, what we have now is not what we voted for when we

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first voted to join the Common market. We now have federal Europe

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by the back door and the aspects that Europe bring our less

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palatable. In Cornwall, Europe is not just about trade, fishing quotas

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and farming subsidies. The Eden Project, combined universities and

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Newquay airport I've all had a slice of �1 billion of European grants

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since 1999. There is more cash on the way. Despite this, UKIP polled

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15% of the vote in local elections in Cornwall. It is about economy and

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jobs. I am not a xenophobic not. I am speaking for our country and the

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vote for UKIP showed it. We have to wake up in this place. Richard Drax

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was one of six Tory MPs in our region to join the gang of rebels

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urging for a stronger position on the in out referendum. The Prime

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Minister has beefed up his promise of a vote by 2017. It was clearly

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not enough to make this question go away. The hokey corky. In, out.

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That's what it's all about. Joining us to discuss this we have

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Councillor Steph McWilliam, leader of the UKIP group on Cornwall

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Council. I wanted to send the message that we could not have a

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commitment from the Coalition Government in the Queens speech to

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have legislation in this Parliament to undermine our commitment as a

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party to have a referendum by no later than 2017. I think this issue

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is extremely important. Hasn't Europe proved a disaster is issued

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for the Tories generally? Especially for factor in the previous

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government. Cameron has said in the past that he would like the Tories

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to stop banging on about Europe. think we have arrived in a strong

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position which is now that we have a clear sense of direction as a

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party. The Prime Minister has made it clear that we have a commitment

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to a referendum. If there is a majority government elected, we will

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attempt to push for a referendum. I will send the message through my

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voting and also with this amendment. It undermines the government. You

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could have waited for the Private Members' Bill. I don't believe so.

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There was not a 3-way split. People voted for it or abstained. It is all

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part of getting that message across to the public. Be under no

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illusions. If a Conservative government is elected in 2015, there

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will be a referendum before the halfway point of that parliament.

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That is a problem for UKIP. Cameron is saying that the only way to get a

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referendum is to vote Tory. Where does that leave UKIP? What I heard

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on the doorstep throughout the campaign is that most of the voters

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just don't believe anything they are told. At least with the UK

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Independence Party, they know what they would be getting. We have the

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European elections next year. That will be really interesting to test

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public opinion. This idea that if there is a Tory majority, and if

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they are successful at renegotiating, then there will be a

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referendum in 2017 is not good enough. People are not happy with

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that. They want a say and they want it now. Where do you stand on this?

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I am a strong pro-European. I would vote yes in almost any

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circumstances. What we have now is David Cameron committed to a

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referendum in future and we don't know the outcomes of the negotiating

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brief. It is meaningless. The exact position of the Labour Party will

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probably not be determined until the time of the European elections.

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Don't people want to know now? personal view is that the situation

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amongst the public on Europe means we have to have a referendum at some

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point. I suspect that will be the position of the Labour Party. But

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not the referendum that either David Cameron or Mel and his gang on the

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backbenches have left us with because that is pretty meaningless

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to the average member of the fittest voting UKIP is that they will assist

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labour and the Liberal Democrats in defeating Conservatives in marginal

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seats. Will you vote in or out?I want to hear the debate. The

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sensible thing to do, and this is where I think the Prime Minister is

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right, is we need to have a full and proper debate about what it means to

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be in and what it means to be out. Steph, from your point of view,

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Cardinal has done very well out of Europe. �1 billion for projects such

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as the University of Cornwall and the Eden Project. Surely it is not

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the right thing for Cornwall to be out of Europe? What we have to

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remember is that the EU doesn't have any money of its own. It only has

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the money it has already taken from us. The way I try and explain this

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is to hold up a �10 note and say it will anybody give me �26 for this

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note? I have not yet had any takers. It relies on the government handing

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the money in our direction, rather than to other parts of the country.

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That is to do with the MPs that we send to Westminster. In Cornwall, we

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have six MPs who are all members of the Coalition Government. That their

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job to represent the interests of Cornwall and if they could keep all

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the money here we would be able to do more. The other point I want to

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make is that when we look at Cornwall's eligibility to all this

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European funding, it is because we are below 75% of the EU average GDP.

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We have been receiving this money for a very long time. We are still

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eligible for it for some time to come. Because we are still below

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75%. Whilst we are end, we are still eligible because we are still less

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than 75% of GDP, even though a lot of other countries have joined so

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the EU average has gone down and we are still not at 75%. This money is

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being misspent. What would it mean for the South West? Cornwall have

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had a much better reception in Brussels than in Westminster.

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long as we are still in the EU, we will be fighting for is not European

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funding as we can get. It is our money and we would like it back. It

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is just that we would like all of it back. Farmers have done well out of

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Europe. What would you tell them if they lost their funding? I think

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there have been many challenges. If we are looking at this particular

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area of this debate, it is about not whether assistance is given to

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farmers, it is about who is giving it. It is quite conceivable that

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after renegotiation we might end up in a situation we have control over

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raising revenues for transport in the United Kingdom. We need to have

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the debate to settle these discussions. We have doing that

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particular debate just now. Thank you. -- we have to end.

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The South West's transport links are looking a little more precarious

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this week with Flybe announcing a possible sell-off of its runway

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slots at Gatwick Airport. There was some good news for the rail network.

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The Transport Secretary took the train to Dawlish and promised to

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safeguard the mainline from the waves. But it is still not clear

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what will happen to the line if sea levels rise and some say our railway

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Stormy weather. Services along this track are often vulnerable to the

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weather. But it is a matters valuable for tourism. Over the last

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decade, Network Rail have invested �8.5 million on defences. They

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invest �500,000 a year to ensure the sea wall at Dawlish remains intact.

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With sea levels expected to rise and more extreme weather events

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predicted over the coming decades, the future of this route hangs on

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some significant government cash. This week, the secretary of State

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for transport travelled to Dawlish with the local MP. There are issues

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in terms of safeguarding the flying. It is important and there have been

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problems. Part of my visit here today is to speak to network rail to

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ensure we put in the right resilience to make sure this line is

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secure. It is vital we ensure this line is sustainable for the longer

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term. Realistically, there is nothing else affordable as an

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alternative. In terms of economic payback, it is crucial. A report

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carried out by the previous government looked at an alternative

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railway line. The scheme is estimated to cost �100 million and

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it was deemed to be an viable. are powerful images. The work we

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have done shows that that will be okayed for the next three or four

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decades. My worry is should we be focusing every bit as much on

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getting it right on other stretches of the line where Exeter can get

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marooned? That is what happened last year. The line was closed for

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several days. A �30 million programme to improve resilience is

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underway. Network Rail see it will not prevent flooding. The visit of

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the Transport Secretary has been seen as a positive sign that more

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investment will follow. But should we be worried that the region will

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get enough to ensure we are not cut off again?

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There are further discussions going on about the longer term and the

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kind of investment that may need to be put into the South West to ensure

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that our railways are resilient to function effectively. In the shorter

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term, but we have acute problems of flooding, there is a lot of

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investment. 30 million will not solve the problems, but it will

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improve resilience. When flooding occurs, the real we can be brought

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back into use more quickly. We're taking some of the signalling

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cabling and raising it so it doesn't get swamped by water. We were cut

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off for several weeks from Exeter. This is very serious. The government

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takes this very seriously. That is why the Secretary of State was down

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here. Ministers are looking at Network Rail and DEFRA and this

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whole issue. Do you think enough money is being spent to sustain the

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railway? I think rather more systematic money is required by

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Network Rail and rail operators in the terminating the resilience of

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the South West rate. It is a particularly vulnerable one. Mel is

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right that we should tackle the stress points on that line. That

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will require quite a lot of money, but I think that is the way to do

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it, rather than divert the line all the way around. Are we seeing enough

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money in our region as opposed to projects like HS2? If you include

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HS2 in your calculations, the answer is no. The volume of traffic is

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substantially greater in the Midlands than in the South West.

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There is a social reason for keeping better transport links with the

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South West as well as the rest of the country. I think the South West

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has missed out, to be honest. here would say we have missed out.

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It doesn't seem right that a fraction of the money on HS2 could

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not be brought down here. question is, who's what did miss out

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on? 13 years of Labour government. And the previous 18 years of Tory

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government. What about the other route that was looked into. That

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would be good for your patch? would and I can't be selfish all my

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life. I would love �100 million spent on a route in my constituency.

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There are problems that could be done with the Okehampton railway.

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But I agree that the level of investment involved there in the

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short to medium term will be too onerous. Thank you very much.

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Now our regular round-up of the political week in 60 seconds.

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A year after the so-called pasty tax was watered down, bakers have been

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counting the cost to their businesses. I am charging 20% VAT

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when I reheat these but I am not charging the customers. Concern over

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the loss of our search and rescue helicopter has been referred to the

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ombudsman. Cornwall Council have launched an investigation into new

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comments made by a councillor where he appeared to link disabled

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children with deformed lambs. believe in the sanctity of life.

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Dorset's Police Commissioner revealed he is talking to a private

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company about sponsoring his force. There is no more money and we have

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to think outside the box. Vault at 16 were proposed by the former

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Cornwall MP Lord Tyler. The Police Commissioner of Dorset

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has revealed he is talking to a private company about sponsoring his

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force. We don't know yet which private company. What is your view?

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The reason he is doing that is because the resources made available

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to him by central government have been severely cut. They are thinking

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of closing local police stations. I don't think it is a particularly

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sensible alternative, but I understand the pressure he is under.

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Even and Somerset did it some years ago. We saw the local for Threshers

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off-licence on the van. Was that acceptable? It is better than

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Threshers actually policing themselves. But I don't think it is

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sensible. Police forces are doing a magnificent job in making more go

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further. Crime is down 10%. Is it a good idea? Do you support this? I

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haven't seen the specifics. It seems slightly daft to me in general terms

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because I think the most important thing about the police is that they

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have the confidence of the public and the public sees them as being

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entirely impartial and answering to no private company. If you ask

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people whether they would rather see a police van with a local ordinal

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Andrew Neil and Martyn Oates are joined by the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Danny Alexander and discuss Conservative UKIP electoral pacts with Conservative MPs Jacob Rees-Mogg and Jackie Doyle-Price. As well as all of the weekend's other political news, and debate with the weekly panel of journalists.


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