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Conservatives urge Cameron to understand their policy concerns.


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And the battle between countryside on the Sunday Politics in the South


West: The constituency chairman who says Conservative grassroots won't


tolerate being labelled "loons". There are a lot of committed people


here, so to refer to them in that way, that is completely


unacceptable. And for the next 20 minutes, I'm joined by UKIP MEP


William Dartmouth and Gary Streeter, the Conservative MP for South West


Devon. This week, the government's identified four road schemes in the


region which will benefit from �165 million of funding. Is David Cameron


finally being nudged to think about infrastructure? No, I think we have


been doing infrastructure all the way through. This is just more of


the same and it is very welcome. know that UKIP are keen to see


something done about potholes. are keen that they are mended, but


we are also very keen that there is an appropriate amount of of money


spent on infrastructure. The Southwest probably does not have its


fair share. The multiple billions being spent by the coalition


government does absolutely nothing for the Southwest. If anything, the


reverse. I do not agree with that. I have said so myself in the comments.


The government this week turned up the pressure on local authorities to


build more homes. The Planning Minister was reported in a national


newspaper as saying house building would create more human happiness


than empty green fields. Not an uncontroversial idea in the rural


South West. Janine Jansen caught up with the Minister in Devon this


week. The planning bigwig came to the Southwest this week. He gave the


team a pat on the back for its enthusiastic attitude to house


building. For him, the more it, the merrier. Depending Mister made


front-page news this week with his controversial comments. -- the


Planning Minister. I do not write the headlines but I stand by


everything I have said, which is that we need to build more houses.


We have a crisis for a younger generation. People, particularly


people who have been brought up your and are working locally and may not


have huge salaries, do they not have a right to have a home and a bit of


a garden for their kids to grow up in? But one place the Minister did


not visit is this 3-acre site. There are controversial plans for homes


here and arguments are still raging about the choice of this site. And


it is one of the reasons that this counsellor left Tories to become an


independent. My age or concern is that the plan is for too many


houses. The growth forecast has shown that there is a decrease in


the population and that has been ignored. The latest census Leicester


said that only 3000 people had lit -- move here in the last ten years.


But he stands by his can-do attitude to help young people and has the and


their families. I think there is a lot of hysteria about the fact that


people are moving down into the South West. My family dates back to


the 1700s here, and I am proud to be local. We are building houses for


local people and I am very proud that we are able to do so. One local


and he says that the biggest issue in her patch is housing, but she


knows that it is a double-edged sword. Clearly, we must maintain


what is so special about England, and that is our green land and our


farmland and our farmers. That is what we need to preserve. Clearly,


clearly, clearly she is not going to be able to please all of the people


all of the time. Let us pick up on that thought at the end. Your


colleague is saying that we must do everything we can to protect the


countryside. But you cannot have both, can you? It is about getting a


balance. I think the Minister was wrong and his choice of words about


houses being more important fields. I grew up on a farm in this area.


There is nothing greater than looking out over open landscape. We


need to preserve that, but we do need to build more houses as well.


In some cases that will be on a greenfield. If I look back over the


time I was at Westminster, the biggest thing that has faced my


constituency in the last two years is affordable housing for local


people. Our children and grandchildren. We have to build to


accommodate their wishes. When macro William, UKIP does believe that


housing demand is -- UKIP does believe that the housing demand is


caused by immigration. There has been an increase of 13% and that is


why there is the need for more housing. It is driven by mass


immigration. We have had, in one year, 2010, I think this is a very


important point because this is the background, in one year, 2010, more


people integrated into the UK then from 1066 up until 1950 altogether.


There is mass immigration. We have open borders and we will continue to


have open borders and that has an effect on housing on the education


and welfare. Gary has had plenty of constituents coming to him, local


families and people who have families and his constituencies. We


have had countless people on this programme and other programmes in


saying that they know local people are seeking affordable housing. You


are saying those people are wrong. am not saying that at all. I am just


saying that councils provide the housing on a basis of what is called


predict and provide. They see with the population projections are, and


on that basis they provide the housing. Where does the prediction


come from? The answer is that it comes from mass immigration, and the


fact of the matter is that according to the government does not own


statistics, the population for the South West as a whole will increase


by 70% by 2030. That results in more houses. Immigration has been too


high in this country. But is it driving the high in this country.


But is it driving me-crisis? -- the housing crisis? Why should someone


have to move somewhere else to find a property? It is about providing


homes for our children. Most of the immigration into Devon and Cornwall


is from people living in London or Manchester or Birmingham and so on.


Most people watching this programme right now we've got here perhaps in


their early retirement years come and that trend will continue. --


moved here perhaps in their early retirement years, and that's trend


will continue. The affordable conditions have gone down and down.


The market conditions have not been favorable to first-time buyers.


they have not. The more housing you build in an area like this, the more


affordable it becomes, because you have more supply and prices either


stabilize or reduce. We need that extra property. We need the housing


generally across the board. That is for our children to live in.


William, I know you have been critical of the government for


taking a top-down approach to housing. What do you say to the


leader of the council he said that he is local through and through and


this is actually a true reflection of local need? I think we have


established what the reasons are for the local need. Gary is absolutely


right, there are people coming to the South West from different parts


of the country. It is a nice place to be. But sometimes they are


misplaced into other parts of the country through mass immigration.


The three establishment parties, including and especially the


Conservative Party, wants Turkey to be a member of the European Union.


That would mean 18 million people could have the absolute right to


come and live here. In six weeks, Croatia will become a member of the


European Union. That is a nether 4.5 million people. We as a party are


never going to say, you cannot have a house. You are trying to suggest


we are saying that, I think. What have you got to say to all of these


local families who are genuinely struggling to get affordable


housing? We need to build more houses for them, don't we? You are


saying that they are only needed from immigrants. -- for immigrants.


There is an increase in population projected for Devon. That is what


Devon County Council is working on. Your film did not cover this at all.


Where is this coming from? You got to look at the overall thing.


Because we are where we are, the temp one -- the UKIP takes the view


that there should be more local influence in planning. I think the


planning Mister the chakra Planning Minister has spoken very -- I think


the Planning Minister has spoken very plainly about that.


The chairman of a Devon Conservative association has threatened to resign


if it emerges that a senior Tory really did describe activists like


him as "swivel-eyed loons". This follows an exodus of local party


members upset about Europe and gay marriage, as Jenny Kumah reports.


Here, many local Conservative Party members are not happy. These local


activists matter, because they help to raise funds for the party. It is


them who go out, pounded the streets campaigning and giving out leaflets,


hoping to get local conservative MPs elected. Membership numbers are in


decline, and this is worrying the local party chairman. And the last


six months, we have lost 55 members. -- in the last six months.


There is nothing we can do if people die or move away, but a number of


members have left as a consequence of government policy and how they


see themselves being a cult of tune with government policy -- being out


of tune with government policy. marriage is one of the issues that


is bitterly dividing the party. Here, ten people have said they want


to leave the party because of it. But others are passionately in


favor. We use to get gay couples coming in and asking for


accommodation and we would get a slip of paper out from under the


counter and pass it to them. Things have changed now. Marriage is one of


those things that forms a family unit, and the family unit is


changing. To include people in it to me that has always got to be a good


thing. Other issues, like the Coalition and grammar schools, have


also inspired bitter debate. There has also been the matter of someone


and David Cameron's inner circle allegedly dismissing local activists


and describing them as swivel eyed loons. Naturally I feel very angry


if that is true. It is an allegation. It has not been proven.


If it is proven, and there isn't an apology forthcoming, I would


certainly reconsider my position as a chairman, because of that has how


people feel, I would question why I am doing what I am doing. It is not


surprising that David Cameron has tried to smooth relations with the


grassroots. In an e-mail to all party activists, the Prime Minister


said he would never employ anyone who sneered at them, and he praised


their duty and decency. But not everybody Hugh has received it has


been impressed. -- not everyone who has received it has been impressed.


You have called the other backbenchers swivel eyed. I broke a


brilliant article all about this. -- I wrote a brilliant article about


this and I said that I saw the same glint in the eye during the 1992


election... People are saying this is the only issue that matters.


Never mind if we hand the next election to Labour on a plate, the


only thing that matters is this vote on it Europe, and I do not see it


that way. I haven't seen no siblings going on today. Your -- I have seen


no siblings going on today. Your perspective as an outsider, what do


you make of this? I were member the late, great Frankie Howard, he had a


great phrase which is, do not mock the afflicted. The fact of the


matter, when David Cameron became the leader of the Conservative


Party, the Conservative Party had 370,000 members. They have less than


that now. David Cameron is abusive to those who disagree with him. He


has been abusive of UKIP. He and his circle have now followed it up


rather amazingly by being abusive of their strongest supporters, who


obviously do not like it. The Conservative Party is run by a


rather small metropolitan elite, who all basically think the same, and


that creates big problems when you are running a political party, and


it creates the problems when you are a Prime Minister. You were pretty


critical of the government last year. Recently, you have defended


David Cameron. But William has a point, doesn't he? Yes, I think the


people who circle David Cameron are elitist. But what is the government


delivering? They are delivering an economy that is reducing the debt


and we are reducing immigration by a third. The government is delivering


very well. No-one up at Westminster is sneering. The issues that are


causing you problems C must be of some concern. Let's hear from the


chairman again. I have got a letter here, a very long-standing party


member who is a member of the Young Conservatives, and he writes that he


has not renewed his membership this time around because he finds himself


increasingly out of tune with the conservative policies and principles


and it covers a wide range of issues, but homosexual marriage


would be a perfect example. That is a perfect example of the kind of


reason that people are leaving or not renewing. If you throw in things


like your opposition to grammar schools or your enthusiasm for wind


farms, you are letting them steal your clothes, aren't you? I was not


aware that we are opposed to grammar schools. David Cameron has been as


rude to people who have been to grammar schools I've -- as he has


about UKIP. What the chairman described is happening in my area


also. I get areas -- letters like that as well. I think this has been


politically disastrous. Several of us were keen, and we said to the


Prime Minister that we need to change course. We have had our 12


month of madness. For the next two years, we will focus ruthlessly on


the things that really matter to his country, reforming public services,


immigration law and order issues, and I hope that people will judge us


more positively in two years. latter point is exactly what David


Cameron has said. But could there be a broader problem, where you have


David Cameron pretty determined to modernize, as he calls it, change


the Conservative Party, and people saying, we actually liked it the way


it is and we do not want it changed. That is part of it. I have lost


members. Nothing like the members we have been hearing of, but we have


lost members. The important thing to think about is, who do we want to


lead this country? It will be a straight choice. There are no other


options. For all of the things we have been irritated about, David


Cameron has done a fantastic job on the issues facing our country. But


without these people to stuff envelopes and go and canvas, that is


going to severely lessened his chances of running the country.


These things have not changed. Gay marriage, he is not going to back


down on it. This has been a political disaster. I have said this


openly. We are now going to focus once again on the things he should


have been focusing on all the way through. Some of them are going very


well indeed, including a reduction on immigration, and an offer of an


in or out referendum. William, your take. What people are alarmed by


about the Conservative Party is that air is a focus on increasing foreign


aid, where is we -- there is a focus on increasing foreign aid. We are


running out of time. We must move on. Now, our regular round-up of the


political week in 60 seconds. Firefighters protested planned cuts


to front-line services. There will got -- there will not be the service


that there currently is. It will take firefighters longer to arrive


at incidents. Meanwhile, a new fire control centre is costing taxpayers


�137,000 a month while it stands empty.


Police forces across the region have agreed to share counterterrorism


resources. There are national issues which need police intelligence, and


this will make the whole system much more effective. By the services must


be protected in the next government spending review says a group of Lib


Dem MPs. And a restaurant manager is refusing to pay a �220 council fined


for dropping a cigarette and down a drain. I think the whole way this


thing was treated, it was as if it was more severe than what it was.


Gary, I know that Labour have left that centre lying there, but you


have had three years to sort that out. It is sitting there empty while


people are paying for it. I have a lot of confidence in the top fire


episode -- fire officers in Devon and Cornwall. I am going to find out


what is going on. It is a bit of Gordon Brown's financial magic.


is ancient history. I am not surprised about that fine. The


council seems to have a little sense of proportion about what is or is


not important. They should get the gentleman not to do it again and let


matches live. It makes no sense at all. The man in the film described


it as ludicrous. It is deeply irritated when cigarette smokers


throw their cigarettes on the pavement and down the drain. That is


not right. I can see both sides of the argument. Better down the drain


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