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There's another candidate in the race to become Ukip's next | :00:36. | :00:41. | |
leader: Suzanne Evans, the party's former deputy chairman, | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
This man might have something to say about that. | :00:44. | :00:50. | |
Paul Nuttal was Nigel Farage's deputy for many years. | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
So is he now ready to throw his hat in the ring? | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
The battle for Mosul: the Iraqi army and its allies advane | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
on the country's second city which has been in the hands of | :01:02. | :01:04. | |
In the South West... from this key clash? | :01:05. | :01:12. | |
Will fishermen get a better deal post-Brexit or will it get worse? | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
And the delivery of rural broadband falls even further behind. | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
one of the richest cities in the world. Should all private landlords | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
be licensed to help tackle the squalor? | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
And with me - as always - the best and the brightest political | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
panel in the business: Toby Young, Polly Toynbee and Tom Newton Dunn - | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
The last leader was in the job a mere 18 days before she decided | :01:36. | :01:44. | |
The favourite to succeed her then quit the party after a now infamous | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
Ukip's biggest donor says the party is at "breaking point". | :01:51. | :01:55. | |
This morning, the former Deputy Chairman, Suzanne Evans, | :01:56. | :02:02. | |
announced that she would be running for the leadership. | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
I've thought long and hard about this leadership bid, | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
and one of the reasons I've perhaps delayed announcing it is | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
because I wanted to be absolutely sure that I had the support | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
And I can confirm that I have more than enough signatures | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
on the nomination form already to be able to go forward. | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
Let's not forget that 3,000 people signed a petition in support of me | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
I know head office was besieged with letters in support. | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
I would not be doing this if I didn't have the backing | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
of our members, because our members are the most important | :02:35. | :02:37. | |
Well, Paul Nuttall was Nigel Farage's deputy for many years | :02:38. | :02:45. | |
and plenty of people saw him as a leader-in-waiting. | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
Let's ask the man himself - Paul Nuttall joins me now. | :02:50. | :02:57. | |
Yes. I've made the decision that I'm going to put my name forward to be | :02:58. | :03:04. | |
the next leader of Ukip. I have huge support across the country, not only | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
amongst people at the top of the party in Westminster and with the | :03:10. | :03:14. | |
MEPs, but also the grassroots. I want to be the unity candidate. Ukip | :03:15. | :03:18. | |
needs to come together. I'm not going to gild the lily. Ukip is | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
looking over a political cliff at the moment. It will either step four | :03:23. | :03:34. | |
step back, and I want to tell us to step backwards. You say it faces an | :03:35. | :03:37. | |
ex-distension or threat, which means it's possible it has no future at | :03:38. | :03:39. | |
all. Students of political history know that political parties take a | :03:40. | :03:45. | |
long time to get going. They can disappear pretty quickly. Ukip is | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
facing an existential crisis. What happened over the summer has put us | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
on a... We could be on a spiral that we can't get off. But I believe I am | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
the man to bring the factions together, to create unity within the | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
party, and to build on the structure and get us ready for the common | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
challenges. Why didn't you stand last time? Because I have spent the | :04:09. | :04:13. | |
last four or five years of my life travelling around the country. I | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
have done more Ukip meetings than anybody else, spending a lot of time | :04:18. | :04:23. | |
away from home. With Brexit, I felt that my job and Nigel's job was done | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
and we could hand over to the next generation. That doesn't seem to be | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
the case, and maybe it's time for someone who is an old hand. I'm very | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
experienced and I know the party inside out. Maybe it's time to step | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
in and bring the party together You told the Liverpool Echo on the night | :04:42. | :04:48. | |
of July that you didn't wish to take on Nigel Farage, you didn't want | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
that to happen to your family and friends. What has changed? The party | :04:52. | :05:01. | |
is facing an existential crisis and I want to make sure that Ukip is on | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
the pitch to keep the ball into the open net we have in politics. We | :05:06. | :05:12. | |
have a Conservative Party who is moving toward Brexit, but we have to | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
be there too. Why would you be better than Suzanne Evans? Suzanne | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
would be an excellent candidate I thought the 2015 manifesto was the | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
best out of all the political parties. I would be the best | :05:28. | :05:31. | |
candidate because of my experience. I am not part of any faction within | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
the party. Is she? I get on well with everybody, and I believe I | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
could be the man to bring the party together. Do you get on with Iain | :05:42. | :05:48. | |
Banks, -- Aaron Banks, who is supporting one of your rivals? Yes, | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
I get on well with him. He is able to choose whoever he wants to be the | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
next leader of the party. After November 28, the leadership | :05:59. | :06:02. | |
election, we all say, the past the past. It becomes Daisy row for the | :06:03. | :06:08. | |
new leader. We forget all that has before and move on. You won the | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
referendum. Mrs May is adopting some of your policies, like grammar | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
schools. What is the point of Ukip these days? Twofold. We don't have | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
Brexit. Mrs May said she would not invoke Article 50 until the end of | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
March, and we don't know if that will happen. We need to ensure a | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
strong Ukip to make sure that Brexit really does mean Brexit. We have a | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
huge opportunity in working class communities where the Labour Party | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
no longer represents them. I believe Ukip can become the voice of working | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
people. If you were the leader, would Ukip be a bigger threat to | :06:49. | :06:52. | |
Labour in the north or the Tories in the South? You save Labour in the | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
north, and people often to make that mistake. There's working class | :06:58. | :07:01. | |
communities right across the country is. There are working-class | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
communities in Bristol just as in Newcastle. We are second in a | :07:04. | :07:18. | |
number of northern seats, and southern seats as well, and I | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
believe the party can move into these communities. It can only do so | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
if Ukip is on the pitch, and I intend to make sure that's the case. | :07:25. | :07:26. | |
I don't think we have portrayed a good image over the summer. Is that | :07:27. | :07:33. | |
called British understatement? A bit. It is dysfunctional. We have to | :07:34. | :07:41. | |
move on beyond Nigel Farage. We have to build a strong national Executive | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
Committee. We need to ensure our branches are ready for the fight and | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
concentrate on local elections. I've got the experience. I'm now throwing | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
my hat into the ring, and I'm the only person who can keep Ukip in the | :07:55. | :08:00. | |
game. What role would you give Nigel Farage, if any? I will be the | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
candidate of compromise. I would see what Nigel wanted to do. Would you | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
keep in the leader of the freedom and democracy group in the European | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
Parliament? There would have to be compromise on both sides, and we | :08:14. | :08:16. | |
would need to talk about it. I don't know what Nigel wants to do. Do you | :08:17. | :08:24. | |
think his support, his association with Donald Trump, helps Ukip win | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
female votes in this country? Personally, I would not have gone | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
out and campaigned or said anything about Donald Trump, but I don't | :08:33. | :08:38. | |
think Ukip has come out and backed Donald Trump 100%. Personally, I | :08:39. | :08:43. | |
wouldn't have even spoken about the American election, because I think | :08:44. | :08:45. | |
the two candidates are quite appalling. Some up for us. If you | :08:46. | :08:52. | |
win, what would be the hallmark of your Ukip leadership? The first | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
couple of months would be ensuring that Ukip unifies. Saying no to | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
factions, bringing people together. Suzanne Evans, Nigel Farage, all of | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
the MEPs, and ensuring that Ukip can move forward. If we don't unify | :09:10. | :09:14. | |
Ukip will not be around for much longer. Thanks for being with us | :09:15. | :09:15. | |
this morning. We won't have to wait too long | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
to find out who Ukip's new leader will be - | :09:19. | :09:20. | |
the winner will be announced Who would be the best leader for | :09:21. | :09:30. | |
Ukip? I think the difference between the field a few weeks ago and today | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
is that this field is a lot stronger. Whether it's Paul or | :09:35. | :09:42. | |
Suzanne, I think... It is hard to say, with Aaron Banks and apparently | :09:43. | :09:50. | |
Nigel Farage hacking another candidate, Raheem, but I want Ukip | :09:51. | :09:57. | |
to be a strong force in British politics. I think the fact there is | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
a stronger field now is good news for Ukip. Is it a Labour's worst | :10:05. | :10:12. | |
nightmare in the north of England? It is. I think the personality | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
difference and presentational difference is interesting. Suzanne | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
Evans is going for the Conservative county vote. There's a lot to be | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
taken there by Ukip. He would probably be more appealing to the | :10:27. | :10:33. | |
Labour vote. It is interesting. At the moment, pollsters say that the | :10:34. | :10:40. | |
Ukip vote splits pretty easily between Labour and Tory. But things | :10:41. | :10:51. | |
always collapse. When they have made inroads into Tower Hamlets and | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
Barking, they collapse, because they fight amongst each other so much. | :10:56. | :11:03. | |
But not always with fists! Does Ukip have a future? And who would best | :11:04. | :11:11. | |
secure that future? It does for at least two years, until we Brexit. We | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
have to believe that that will happen. That was an impressive pitch | :11:16. | :11:22. | |
there from Paul, certainly as the unity candidate, after the car crash | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
we have seen on TV screens this morning. But it doesn't go beyond | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
May 20 19. What then? There is no point being called the United | :11:33. | :11:34. | |
Kingdom Independence party any longer. What will happen after May | :11:35. | :11:42. | |
2019? If you want to hoover up votes of the back of Brexit, you need to | :11:43. | :11:46. | |
start looking further ahead than two years. The person who wins that | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
leadership contest is the person who will sum that up the best. We shall | :11:52. | :11:53. | |
see. In June 2014, the group which calls | :11:54. | :11:56. | |
itself the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant captured Iraq's | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
second city, Mosul. Later that month the group announced | :12:00. | :12:01. | |
it was establishing a 'caliphate', or an Islamic state, | :12:02. | :12:04. | |
on the territories it This week 30,000 Iraqi troops, aided | :12:05. | :12:06. | |
by Iranian-backed Shia fighters Kurdish Peshmerga and Western air | :12:07. | :12:15. | |
support, began the assault Then they spot a truck bomb | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
from so-called Islamic State. They destroy it before | :12:21. | :12:38. | |
it destroys them. These are the first steps | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
in the battle for Mosul, the Northern Iraqi city IS has | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
made its stronghold since 2014. Controlling the city of around | :12:46. | :12:50. | |
2 million people means that they established governance, | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
they establish a territorial base. This is what has obsessed everyone, | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
because with a territorial base you are capable of doing more | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
than if you are simply an insurgency movement in the fabric | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
of another society. It's being billed as the biggest | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
military operation in Iraq since the war in 2003, the biggest | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
moment in the international effort Here is how the various forces | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
are approaching the city. Heading to Mosul from the south | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
the elite troops of the Iraqi army. Known as the Golden division, | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
trained and accompanied From the North, a force made up | :13:30. | :13:31. | |
of Kurds, known as the Peshmerga, Also from the South, | :13:32. | :13:38. | |
a militia made up of Shia fighters who have been accused | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
of human rights abuses. British planes have bombed outlying | :13:44. | :13:47. | |
villages, reportedly guided in by British personnel | :13:48. | :13:49. | |
on the ground. To the North West, a corridor | :13:50. | :13:57. | |
has been left for some of the 3000 plus IS fighters, | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
in theory an escape route which could limit the bloodshed | :14:01. | :14:02. | |
when fighting starts in the city. We've had 4-5 days of battle | :14:03. | :14:05. | |
and it's taking place in the outlying villages | :14:06. | :14:08. | |
and there have been some successes and some failures, | :14:09. | :14:10. | |
but the momentum is building. And the real question will be | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
when the attackers get towards the city itself, | :14:14. | :14:16. | |
how strong are the defences? It will crack but it might crack | :14:17. | :14:20. | |
within 48 hours or 2-3 weeks. IS has fought back, | :14:21. | :14:27. | |
on Friday they attack sites in the city of Kirkuk, | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
including a power station. The United Nations believes hundreds | :14:33. | :14:34. | |
of thousands of families have been rounded up | :14:35. | :14:36. | |
as potential human shields. The battle could be bloody, | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
but what about when it's over? The Shia militias, the Iraqi army, | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
the Peshmerga guerrillas, some of the Turkish elements, | :14:45. | :14:46. | |
they all want a share of the action. They are in Mosul, not | :14:47. | :14:49. | |
for altruistic reasons. They are there because they want | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
to be part of whatever happens next. The biggest issue is how the Sunni | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
majority in Mosul reacts to the Shia militias which have | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
helped to liberate them. ARCHIVE FOOTAGE: When Sir Francis | :15:02. | :15:05. | |
Humphrey went to Mosul If it all seems like something | :15:06. | :15:07. | |
from the archive, when the Middle East went up in flames | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
and was then carved up, it is because that is what is | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
happening in Iraq right now. National identity has been cut | :15:15. | :15:17. | |
across by other identities such And that means that putting together | :15:18. | :15:22. | |
a so-called nation state again Almost certainly there will be | :15:23. | :15:32. | |
a new form of Kurdish state, almost certainly in northern Iraq | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
at the end of this crisis, and what is happening in Mosul | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
is a microcosm of what is happening elsewhere across the Levant | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
which is that it is melting down. Big questions, questions that | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
come after the battle. The coalition forces are advancing | :15:49. | :15:51. | |
but this is just the beginning. I'm joined now by the International | :15:52. | :15:53. | |
Development Minister Rory Stewart. In a former life he was | :15:54. | :16:03. | |
the coalition Deputy-Governor of two provinces in Southern Iraq following | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
the Iraq intervention of 2003. Is there any doubt that at some | :16:07. | :16:21. | |
stage Mosul will fall to the forces of Iraq and its allies? The first | :16:22. | :16:31. | |
thing is that war is very uncertain and there are cliches about it being | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
the graveyard of predictions and we don't want to make confident | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
predictions but the basic structure is that there are 30,000 Iraqi | :16:38. | :16:46. | |
forces outside and only a few thousand Daesh fighters inside and I | :16:47. | :16:52. | |
would say it is overwhelmingly likely that the batter will one | :16:53. | :17:01. | |
STUDIO: -- the battle the won by the Iraqi forces. | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
June 2014 was a great success, they took a city of over in people and | :17:05. | :17:12. | |
they created what they tried to create a million state of 7 million | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
people, stretching across the Iraqi Syrian border, but since then they | :17:17. | :17:21. | |
have lost territory quite rapidly. Now they are losing the outskirts of | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
Mosul, and that is a fundamental blow. Islamic State is all about | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
territory and holding state, that is what makes it different from | :17:30. | :17:32. | |
Al-Qaeda. If they lose Mosul that will be a cynic -- significant blow | :17:33. | :17:40. | |
to their credibility. Hillary Clinton said on Wednesday's | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
presidential debate that when Iraqi forces with their allies including | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
the United Kingdom gain control of Mosul they should continue to press | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
into Syria to take back Raqqa which is the de facto capital of the | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
caliphate, what is left of it, do we want Iraqi forces to pursue IS into | :18:00. | :18:06. | |
Syria? Very important question. Delayed in Raqqa needs to come from | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
people on the Syrian side of the border and that is an important | :18:11. | :18:16. | |
principle -- the lead. In the end of that enemy, Islamic State, is a | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
common enemy for odd members of the coalition including the Iraqi | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
government. -- all members. There is likely to be a humanitarian crisis | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
especially if it ends up with street to street fighting and IS are | :18:33. | :18:34. | |
difficult to dislodge what are we doing about that? We are doing very | :18:35. | :18:41. | |
detailed scenario planning. It is very uncertain what the scenario | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
will be but much investment has gone into creating a network of camps, | :18:46. | :18:53. | |
refugees STUDIO: Refugee camps around cash refugee camps, and that | :18:54. | :19:02. | |
is where money, British money, 40 million has gone recently into | :19:03. | :19:05. | |
supporting that, especially in terms of medical support to people. The | :19:06. | :19:12. | |
United nation's emergency response budget is ?196 million but only one | :19:13. | :19:15. | |
third funded which sounds like we are putting up a big chunk of what | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
is already being funded. Why is that? The international committee | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
can't say they haven't seen this assault coming, and the humanitarian | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
fallout they may see from it. You are absolutely right. We have seen | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
it coming and we have been planning since debris and we have put in | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
about ?167 million into this -- planning since February. There has | :19:38. | :19:43. | |
been a change in the nature of the appeal, and if there is a lag in the | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
accounting of it, but the money we need at this stage is in place and | :19:48. | :19:50. | |
we do have the support structure in place for those refugees. You are | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
right the United Nations is continuing with its appeal and is | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
asking for more money at the moment. The converse magazine wrote this | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
week that preparations for a big exodus of people leaving the city | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
have been made -- Economist magazine. But confidence is not high | :20:07. | :20:11. | |
in the preparations, is that a unfair conclusion? If you can | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
imagine the different scenarios it could be a few thousand and it could | :20:18. | :20:20. | |
be a few hundred thousand coming out of the city through a front line | :20:21. | :20:23. | |
where the war is going on, that is very difficult. You have to screen | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
those people and disarm them, and keep families together, and | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
transport them and you have to bring them into the refugee camps. The | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
people working on this have been working on this for long time, we | :20:37. | :20:39. | |
have mapped the different routes we have good camp infrastructure in | :20:40. | :20:45. | |
place and we have people who have worked in south to dam and other | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
areas who are putting their structures in place -- South Sudan. | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
It is never easy but I think we have done everything we can in the | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
preparation for this. What is the British role in what will probably | :20:58. | :21:04. | |
be an even bigger issue, assuming that Mosul is liberated and retaken, | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
the humanitarian crisis is dealt with, what role will we play in the | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
rebuilding of Mosul? That will be crucial to the future of Iraq, the | :21:16. | :21:19. | |
second-biggest city and it will need to be rebuilt. It will need to be | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
rebuilt as a community as well as bricks and mortar. And eight Sunni | :21:26. | :21:30. | |
community that is not harassed by the Shia. -- and eight. You are | :21:31. | :21:38. | |
right. One of the core drivers is that the Sunni community felt | :21:39. | :21:40. | |
excluded and they did not feel they have the trust from the Baghdad | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
government. A lasting solution is stopping some of Islamic State | :21:45. | :21:52. | |
coming back, that involves making sure the Sunni community have a | :21:53. | :21:56. | |
stake in their future. That is making sure that the governing | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
structures are in place. The UK s response is twofold, we have got to | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
get the humanitarian aid right, that is the short term, people who might | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
be malnourished, coming out of the front line. The second thing is | :22:10. | :22:14. | |
working with the Iraqi government to make sure that as we rebuild Mosul | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
we do so in a way that that population feels a connection to the | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
Iraqi state. Islamic State is losing territory everywhere in the Levant, | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
it is almost finished in Iraq, we think. It is down to one district in | :22:30. | :22:34. | |
Libya, as well, just one small part of the town. I suppose the risk is, | :22:35. | :22:41. | |
if life is becoming more difficult across these areas, it can start to | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
look more in Europe and the United Kingdom as a place to continue its | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
terrorist attacks? That is a real danger. You are right. This is a | :22:51. | :22:56. | |
group which has proved over the last five years very unpredictable and it | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
changes for it quickly full stop often it does unexpected things In | :23:01. | :23:06. | |
2009 its predecessor had been largely wiped out in Iraq and when | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
it was under pressure in Syria it went back into Iraq, and in the past | :23:12. | :23:14. | |
it didn't hold territory but now it holds territory, so you are right. | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
There is a serious risk that as it gets squeezed in the middle East it | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
will try to pop up somewhere else and Mac could include Europe and the | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
United States -- that could. They say that is something they have | :23:29. | :23:31. | |
focused on full stop we also have a big focus on counterterrorism | :23:32. | :23:36. | |
security and making sure that we keep the United Kingdom and Europe | :23:37. | :23:44. | |
say. One final question. -- say -- safe. Maybe events in Mosul could | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
add to the migration crisis in Europe, is that a possibility? | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
Again, you are right, we have seen in Syria it can push migration, the | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
biggest push the migration was the conflict in Syria, and that's the | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
reason why we have but so much energy into getting those refugee | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
camps in place and getting the humanitarian response in place - | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
put so much energy. People will want to remain in their homes, this is | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
their country, but we have got to make it possible for them and that | :24:17. | :24:19. | |
means in the short term looking after their shelter and in the | :24:20. | :24:24. | |
medium to long-term making sure they have livelihoods, jobs and an | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
economic development which is why our support in Iraq is in the UK | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
National interests because it deals with these issues of migration and | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
terrorists. Thanks for joining us. I'm joined now by the Shadow Defence | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
Secretary. Does Labour support British | :24:43. | :24:59. | |
participation in this offensive We fully support the participation in | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
this offensive, extremely important move forward and we voted for this | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
back in 2014. We are asking the government question is, of course, I | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
was asking the Secretary of State this week about this very offensive | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
but we are fully behind our RAF pilots out there and be trading that | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
has been going on to help the forces on the ground. -- the training full | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
stop that is very clear. I wonder if you'll lead it shares that clarity | :25:28. | :25:33. | |
and that position. -- is your leader. This is what Jeremy Corbyn | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
has said. What's been done in Iraq | :25:37. | :25:38. | |
is done by the Iraqi government, and currently | :25:39. | :25:40. | |
supported by the British government. I did not support it | :25:41. | :25:42. | |
when it came up. Well, I'm not sure how successful | :25:43. | :25:44. | |
it's been, because most of the action now appears to be | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
moving in to Syria, so I think we He doesn't sound very supportive. | :25:49. | :26:00. | |
The issue about Mosul, it has been very carefully prepared as Rory | :26:01. | :26:02. | |
Stewart said and I hope we have learned the lessons from previous | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
offensives where we haven't learnt sufficiently, and that is going to | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
be crucial in this context. How the aftermath is going to be dealt with. | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
Of course will stop that clip was from November last year, and things | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
have changed. Two weeks ago he told the BBC" I'm not sure it is | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
working", in reference to air strikes in Iraq, but it is working. | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
We have got to see what happens in Mosul, it is a very high-risk | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
operation, but we also have to face the fact that the people there are | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
living under tyranny at the moment. We have to ask very cirrus question | :26:41. | :26:47. | |
shall stop he says he's not sure it is working, when Mosul is the last | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
major target be cleared of Islamic State in Iraq. The combination of | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
Allied air power has worked, why is he not sure it is working? Because | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
we have seen difficulties in the past. But this was two weeks ago. It | :27:00. | :27:06. | |
is essential that the work is done, both planning for the refugees as | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
Rory Stewart referred to, but also in terms of reconstruction of the | :27:10. | :27:12. | |
city and its community as you mentioned. These are vital. This was | :27:13. | :27:18. | |
about the ability to make progress with Allied air power, special | :27:19. | :27:23. | |
forces in Iraq, on the ground, do you accept so far that has a | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
strategy that seems to be working to read Iraq of Islamic -- to read Iraq | :27:29. | :27:40. | |
of Islamic State the question of the car began placement. Ulloa -- we | :27:41. | :27:53. | |
can't be complacent. The problems they are creating where ever they | :27:54. | :27:56. | |
are urged that we must continue to pursue them. This is the first time | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
we have spoken to since you have become the Shadow Defence Secretary. | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
I hope we will have a longer interview. Will Labour's next | :28:05. | :28:10. | |
manifesto include a commitment to the renewal of Trident? It will We | :28:11. | :28:16. | |
made that commitment in 2007, that is a firm commitment and we will | :28:17. | :28:19. | |
honour that to our coalition allies and our industrial partners and that | :28:20. | :28:22. | |
is the vote which was taken democratically and repeatedly has | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
been reaffirmed by Labour conference and we are a democratic party vote | :28:27. | :28:32. | |
up you have squared that with Jeremy Corbyn? He's in favour of democracy | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
and he understands the situation, but we also want to push for the UK | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
to play a much bigger role on the international stage on multilateral | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
disarmament talks. You were very clear there, I thank you for that. | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
Support for Trident will be in the next Labour manifesto. What has | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
happened to Labour's review of Trident policy? That review has been | :28:57. | :29:01. | |
taking place over the year, we had a very clear reaffirmation in the | :29:02. | :29:06. | |
conference boat this year, we are reaffirming our commitment to | :29:07. | :29:09. | |
Trident -- vote. The review can t change that? There is a process of | :29:10. | :29:16. | |
review and a fair number of issues related to defence, all parties do | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
this. Of course. The review can t change the commitment to Trident? We | :29:23. | :29:26. | |
are not changing the commitment to Trident. Russia is now the main | :29:27. | :29:32. | |
strategic threat to this country? It is a major strategic threat and we | :29:33. | :29:35. | |
have got to work with our Nato allies very closely and make sure | :29:36. | :29:38. | |
that we respond and that we do not let things pass. For example, we | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
should be calling out Russia for the way it has been a bombing | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
humanitarian aid and we should be taking them to international court | :29:49. | :29:50. | |
over this, but we should also be strengthening sanctions, somewhat | :29:51. | :29:58. | |
imposed over Ukraine. We try to do that, but the Italians wouldn't let | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
us. The Italians did not want to participate in the European | :30:04. | :30:05. | |
initiative but that doesn't stop individual countries for the Britain | :30:06. | :30:11. | |
should step up? Yes, we should look at what is practical to impose. | :30:12. | :30:14. | |
Thanks for joining us. Mosul is not the only major battle | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
being waged in the Middle East. The city of Aleppo in northern Syria | :30:21. | :30:22. | |
has seen some of the heaviest bombardment since Syria's | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
five-year-long civil war began. This week Russian warships, | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
in a deliberate show of power, sailed west through the English | :30:30. | :30:32. | |
channel en route to Syria. Nato says it's Russia's "largest | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
surface deployment" since the end of the Cold War in what is thought | :30:37. | :30:39. | |
to be preparation for a final assault | :30:40. | :30:42. | |
on the besieged city of Aleppo. In the city itself fighting | :30:43. | :30:46. | |
resumed overnight - following a 3-day ceasefire - | :30:47. | :30:50. | |
with more air strikes and heavy clashes in the city's | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
rebel-held eastern districts. Almost 500 people have been | :30:56. | :30:58. | |
killed and 2,000 injured since Syrian government forces, | :30:59. | :31:01. | |
backed by Russian air strikes, This week Theresa May condemned | :31:02. | :31:05. | |
Vladimir Putin's involvement in Syria, accusing Moscow | :31:06. | :31:12. | |
of being behind "sickening atrocities" in support | :31:13. | :31:15. | |
of President Assad's regime. But European leaders are divided | :31:16. | :31:18. | |
on how to respond and, with the United States preoccupied | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
with domestic politics, President Putin senses this | :31:24. | :31:25. | |
is his moment to bring the Syrian I'm joined now by the BBC's former | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
Diplomatic and Moscow Correspondent, Bridget Kendall, who is now Master | :31:30. | :31:37. | |
of Peterhouse College in Cambridge. Welcome. Good to see you in the BBC | :31:38. | :31:50. | |
studio again. Let me put up this satellite image of Aleppo here, to | :31:51. | :31:57. | |
get an idea of the scale. It was the biggest city in Syria. It was the | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
commercial capital and a huge cultural hub as well. Almost the New | :32:03. | :32:07. | |
York of Syria, to give you an idea of its significance to the country. | :32:08. | :32:12. | |
Let me show you now how it's been divided. The rebels are now in | :32:13. | :32:17. | |
control of the eastern part, about eight miles long and three miles | :32:18. | :32:24. | |
wide there, they're in purple. They are under great attacks still. Is it | :32:25. | :32:28. | |
inevitable that that purple part falls to the regime? That is what | :32:29. | :32:37. | |
President as Saad, the Russians and the Iranians hope. The fierce | :32:38. | :32:43. | |
bombardments we have seen is part of that. I'm reminded very much in the | :32:44. | :32:47. | |
Russian tactics of what happened in grudgingly in Chechnya in 2000, when | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
the Russians said, a warning for all civilians to lead, and then they | :32:53. | :32:58. | |
went ahead and they basically raised it to the ground. They are talking | :32:59. | :33:03. | |
about Al Nusrah as being one of the rebel groups. They got rid of all of | :33:04. | :33:09. | |
the terrorists. They talk about it being an Al-Qaeda offshoot. The | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
purpose of going in is to get rid of them. You get the civilians out and | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
then you take it. But this isn't like Chechnya. It is much more | :33:18. | :33:23. | |
complex. We have seen an attempt to take Aleppo before, and then there | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
was a rebel counter offensive. It's not so certain. And there are so | :33:28. | :33:31. | |
many different parties involved We have seen the alarm in the west of | :33:32. | :33:35. | |
the extent of the civilian casualties. There have been | :33:36. | :33:45. | |
rumblings in the west of, shouldn't the United States do something? | :33:46. | :33:48. | |
Shouldn't they stop the Syrian air force? This Russian aircraft carrier | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
steaming its way towards the Eastern Mediterranean is a symbolic gesture, | :33:52. | :33:57. | |
both to its own people, but also to the West, to say, don't get involved | :33:58. | :34:03. | |
in Aleppo if we go ahead. Don't try and stop us because we could up the | :34:04. | :34:09. | |
ante. They have not been great visual pictures, because the | :34:10. | :34:13. | |
aircraft carrier looks a bit clapped out, belching out smoke! If the | :34:14. | :34:20. | |
rebel controlled area does fall it would be seen as a great victory for | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
President as Saad and his Russian allies. What is the aim of Russia | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
here? What would they then do, if Aleppo Falls? It is part of a plan | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
that President Putin set out in his UN speech in 2014, before Russia | :34:35. | :34:41. | |
went into Syria. The aim is to put President Assad back in charge. | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
President Putin said this weekend that either is Assad in Damascus, or | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
its Al Nusrah. There is nothing in between. They want to eliminate the | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
argument for a moderate opposition. They want to make it plain that the | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
only way to get a stable Syria is to have Assad back in charge. Even sue | :35:01. | :35:08. | |
argue for a rump steak lit, leaving aside what is happening with IAS. | :35:09. | :35:16. | |
They have already said they want to have an enlarged military presence | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
at their bases. And they have a big naval base. It is. It is a chance to | :35:21. | :35:28. | |
push for this when he sees the West is being distracted and divided | :35:29. | :35:34. | |
Europe and America, by elections and so on. Just before the US elections. | :35:35. | :35:39. | |
The Americans are worried about that, Europeans are being distracted | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
by Brexit. He can push to his maximum advantage now, before there | :35:45. | :35:49. | |
is a new US president. If they do take that part of Aleppo, and that | :35:50. | :35:59. | |
part of northern Syria, does Mr Putin want us to recognise, to | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
admit, that that is now his sphere of influence? I think the rhetoric | :36:05. | :36:10. | |
from the Russians is that they want the West to recognise that they are | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
an equal powerful partner. It's not just the US that runs the writ in | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
the Middle East. Russia is as important as it is. It is engaging | :36:20. | :36:25. | |
with Saudi Arabia and has mended fences with Turkey. Syria is the | :36:26. | :36:30. | |
place from which it can launch its message that it is a big player in | :36:31. | :36:36. | |
the Middle East. Russia wants the West to understand that this isn't a | :36:37. | :36:41. | |
country that was dismembered after the end of the Soviet Union and is | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
now a week. It is back, and it is strong. That is an important | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
message. Looking at the economy It is in recession. GDP has been | :36:52. | :36:56. | |
falling, partly because of the price of oil. It is highly dependent on | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
hydrocarbons, and is expected to fall again. Its people are falling | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
again. People don't realise how small the Russian economy is. Its | :37:07. | :37:12. | |
GDP is about the size of Italy's. It is smaller than the UK economy. | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
Bigger than it was 15 or 20 years ago. But so is Britain's does it | :37:18. | :37:27. | |
help to take people's mind of this? A huge shock to the Russian economy | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
was a drop in the price of oil and a price of gas. A drop in the price of | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
the ruble as well. This is hurting the people of Russia. On the one | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
hand, it is the war in Syria, which is very important for Russia to sort | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
out that part of the world and dispensed terrorists who might be | :37:49. | :37:56. | |
danger to -- is dangerous to Russia. But he had also has presidential | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
election is going up. They are supposed to be 2018, but some feel | :38:02. | :38:05. | |
he will bring them forward to 2 17, because the economy is not doing so | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
well. But you need a good story for the Russian people. Thank you very | :38:11. | :38:12. | |
much. Hello, I'm Martyn Oates. | :38:13. | :38:14. | |
in Scotland who leave us now Coming up on the Sunday Polhtics | :38:15. | :38:26. | |
in the South West... There'll be no more fish in the sea | :38:27. | :38:28. | |
post-Brexit, but will our fhshermen And for the next twenty minttes | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
I'm joined by the North Cornwall MP Scott Mann and by Exeter's Ben | :38:33. | :38:39. | |
Bradshaw. This week, in a heated | :38:40. | :38:41. | |
debate at Westminster, Devon MPs discussed the cuts | :38:42. | :38:45. | |
to services being proposed to stave off the financial crisis | :38:46. | :38:48. | |
in the county's health servhces Here's a taste from the Torridge | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
and West Devon MP Geoffrey Cox. Until the deficit is addressed, | :38:52. | :38:55. | |
until there is fair funding for rural health services, | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
we will not believe the asstrances that come from the well-meaning | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
administrators that our health Scott, you're the North Cornwall MP | :39:04. | :39:05. | |
next door to North Devon. I guess a lot of your consthtuents | :39:06. | :39:12. | |
actually go to places like North Devon District Hospital, | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
which is potentially in the Many of my constituents frol Bude | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
and Launce do go across the border What I would say is I understand | :39:19. | :39:24. | |
Devon's part of this review process to process | :39:25. | :39:28. | |
with Cumbria and Essex, This is to tackle the huge | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
financial challenge. They're trying to look at a much | :39:33. | :39:35. | |
more creative way of doing what they're doing and I thhnk | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
we tend to focus so much of our efforts on the second phase, | :39:40. | :39:42. | |
the General Hospital phase, when we should be looking at helping | :39:43. | :39:44. | |
GPs to maintain people living From my point of view, | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
I think the best bed for anxbody is the bed that they actually sleep | :39:48. | :39:56. | |
in every night and if we can provide health care that supports | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
them to go back into their own home, I think that would probably | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
be beneficial. Ben, you sit on the health | :40:04. | :40:05. | |
select committee. A lot of the Conservative MPs | :40:06. | :40:06. | |
there were moaning about money and there not being enough loney | :40:07. | :40:09. | |
for health in the south-west. You were addressing a simil`r theme | :40:10. | :40:12. | |
on the select committee on the same I thought the strength | :40:13. | :40:15. | |
and the tone of the criticism from the Conservative MPs w`s really | :40:16. | :40:18. | |
very striking and at the very same time as they were having th`t | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
debate, Sarah Wollaston, the Totnes MP and I were grhlling | :40:22. | :40:24. | |
the Health Secretary and Simon Stephens and Therdsa May | :40:25. | :40:26. | |
made quite clear this week there's not going to be any more money | :40:27. | :40:29. | |
for the NHS and Simon Stephdns, the head of the NHS said th`t | :40:30. | :40:32. | |
for the first time in the NHS's history, funding | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
is falling per head. Some of the changes proposed | :40:36. | :40:37. | |
in Devon could make sense. It does make sense to move resources | :40:38. | :40:39. | |
from beds and community hospitals to give more support for people | :40:40. | :40:42. | |
in their homes but when sochal care has already been cut to the bone | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
and we need really strong gtarantees that that money is going to | :40:46. | :40:49. | |
be there. Well, regular viewers of thhs | :40:50. | :40:51. | |
programme will be very familiar with the trials and tribulations | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
of trying to roll out superfast broadband in rural | :40:56. | :40:57. | |
Devon and Somerset. The two counties are the only part | :40:58. | :40:59. | |
of the country which still haven't signed up a contractor to mdet | :41:00. | :41:02. | |
the government's pledge of delivering 95% coverage | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
by the end of next year, making delivery of that pledge, | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
I would think, unlikely. When the deal collapsed, | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
I spoke to the man in He said dissatisfaction with BT s | :41:12. | :41:13. | |
performance in the first ph`se of the roll-out was one reason | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
they weren't hired again. Ultimately, we have to go | :41:19. | :41:22. | |
for good value for money We can't just give it to BT as has | :41:23. | :41:25. | |
been suggested and hope They have proved to us | :41:26. | :41:33. | |
that they couldn't deliver so we had no alternative but to step | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
away at that point. Eight months on we can reve`l that | :41:38. | :41:39. | |
MPs in Devon and Somerset h`ve now written to BT following reports | :41:40. | :41:42. | |
that its commercial roll-out of superfast broadband is shx months | :41:43. | :41:44. | |
behind schedule in the two counties. That means around 20,000 fewer homes | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
and businesses will be conndcted by the end of December this year | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
than BT had promised the cotncils. Let's see if we can download | :41:53. | :41:54. | |
the Sunday politics South Wdst show. To show me how slow the Intdrnet | :41:55. | :42:07. | |
speeds are at his house in East Devon, Rod's trying | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
to download an episode of the Sunday He's only getting speeds | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
of 0.42 megabits, so this The problem seems to be that | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
Rod's been connected to a broadband cabinet, | :42:21. | :42:27. | |
which is six and a half It's terribly frustrating | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
because things that are norlal, that people do, like iPlayer | :42:31. | :42:36. | |
and all the other things th`t people So, Jenny, this is cabinet, | :42:37. | :42:40. | |
also number 11, also connected What's even more annoying for Rod | :42:41. | :42:47. | |
is that he could get much bdtter Internet access if he was | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
connected to this cabinet. It's just a few yards | :42:53. | :42:56. | |
from his house. Some new properties nearby | :42:57. | :42:59. | |
are connected from it, Well, BT say it's, they use these | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
two words, policy and engindering. For some reason, they | :43:04. | :43:12. | |
don't want to do it. Rod's connection is | :43:13. | :43:15. | |
subsidised by the taxpayer. In this case by connecting | :43:16. | :43:22. | |
Devon and Somerset. That's a partnership | :43:23. | :43:25. | |
between councils and broadb`nd providers, which decides | :43:26. | :43:28. | |
where to spend the public money A target for 90% of households | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
to get access to superfast broadband But that is heavily dependent on BT | :43:34. | :43:36. | |
meeting an obligation to deliver And we understand BT's commdrcially | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
viable connections are six This could mean approximately 2 ,000 | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
fewer homes and businesses than councillors had been promised | :43:47. | :43:58. | |
will be connected at This is very much our | :43:59. | :44:01. | |
infrastructure. This is what is going to drhve | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
the economy in our areas and it is so annoying when we put | :44:05. | :44:08. | |
a lot of public money into ht, councils, private money, | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
plus government money This village is one of thosd that | :44:13. | :44:14. | |
had been stuck between a rock Not in the publicly funded scheme | :44:15. | :44:20. | |
and told by BT that broadband But now another company | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
is about to make a go of it. This week, a company called | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
Gigacare has announced This week, a company called Gigacare | :44:30. | :44:43. | |
has announced -- Gigaclear. a service to this area and ht | :44:44. | :44:45. | |
will be doing so without It's even promising residents that | :44:46. | :44:50. | |
they'll be able to download a movie It is welcome news for this | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
holiday cottage business. It's been losing customers | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
because they can't use It's going to have a massivd impact | :44:58. | :44:59. | |
on our business and I know ht's going to have an impact on other | :45:00. | :45:06. | |
businesses as well. Ah, Jenny, it looks | :45:07. | :45:09. | |
as if it hasn't downloaded. Meanwhile, back in East Devon, | :45:10. | :45:11. | |
Rod would love a company like Gigaclear to help him out | :45:12. | :45:13. | |
but he feels it's unlikely that a smaller provider would be | :45:14. | :45:16. | |
interested in setting up in his area because most of his village do have | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
superfast broadband. Unfortunately, he is among 20 | :45:21. | :45:22. | |
properties that are missing out Well, BT declined our invit`tion | :45:23. | :45:30. | |
to join us to discuss this, but the company has | :45:31. | :45:34. | |
provided a statement. It didn't deny there were ddlays, | :45:35. | :45:36. | |
but said BT had always made it clear that any early estimates of expected | :45:37. | :45:39. | |
commercial coverage, made several years ago, | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
were part of an outline plan, which was subject to detaildd | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
planning and survey. It said national commitments made | :45:48. | :45:49. | |
by BT on its commercial fibre broadband programme had | :45:50. | :45:51. | |
been achieved early. In response to the case of Lr Boyce, | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
BT said it was not unusual for a small number of premises | :45:56. | :45:58. | |
connected to an upgraded cabinet not to benefit | :45:59. | :46:01. | |
from superfast speeds. Well, one man who did | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
accept our invitation to the programme is the councillor | :46:06. | :46:06. | |
in charge of the Welcome back to the programle, | :46:07. | :46:09. | |
David. Now, the last time we were talking | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
about broadband, we were talking about the problems with phase two, | :46:13. | :46:18. | |
which obviously you acknowlddge but I do remember you saying at that | :46:19. | :46:22. | |
point the good news was that phase That doesn't really look | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
like the case now, does it? As far as the intervention | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
programme is concerned, as far as connecting Devon | :46:32. | :46:34. | |
and Somerset is concerned, But just to be clear, | :46:35. | :46:36. | |
you're not going to meet thhs Overall, the programme we understand | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
now is not going to meet thd 90 but the bit that is being stbsidised | :46:43. | :46:49. | |
by the government, the intervention part that we have been responsible | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
for will meet its targets. What we are waiting to hear now | :46:54. | :47:02. | |
is how far short of their commercial targets BT are actually going to be | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
and what that will mean in terms of percentage points but we mustn't | :47:07. | :47:09. | |
lose sight of the fact that the public subsidy, | :47:10. | :47:12. | |
the bit subsidised by you and I that is on target, as indeed | :47:13. | :47:15. | |
is the procurement that we spoke So, we are making progress | :47:16. | :47:18. | |
but naturally on behalf of the consumers, I'm | :47:19. | :47:21. | |
disappointed that BT aren't going to meet | :47:22. | :47:27. | |
their commercial obligations. Because these targets, | :47:28. | :47:28. | |
these pledges were made, the councils have been quitd clear | :47:29. | :47:30. | |
about that, the government have been You were tasked with | :47:31. | :47:33. | |
delivering this target. The way you chose to do | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
that was via BT but the point Well, that's correct | :47:38. | :47:40. | |
and the targets that we werd set, our part of the programme, was based | :47:41. | :47:47. | |
upon the numbers provided bx BT We now understand that BT | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
are going to meet those targets, those numbers | :47:51. | :48:04. | |
that they originally put forward. That is disappointing | :48:05. | :48:07. | |
but it doesn't take away from the success of the programme, | :48:08. | :48:09. | |
the success of the public stbsidy and it doesn't take away | :48:10. | :48:12. | |
from the importance of carrxing on and making sure we get | :48:13. | :48:14. | |
connectivity out to the rest of Devon and Somerset | :48:15. | :48:16. | |
as quickly as possible. I absolutely agree and symp`thise | :48:17. | :48:18. | |
with the frustration of people who haven't got it yet | :48:19. | :48:21. | |
but the programme continues and we are waiting in very positive | :48:22. | :48:23. | |
anticipation of the results Ben, you're a Devon MP | :48:24. | :48:26. | |
though I guess Exeter Well, we've got pretty serious gaps | :48:27. | :48:29. | |
in places like Marsh Barton, which is a very important | :48:30. | :48:34. | |
industrial estate. Look, this is a pretty | :48:35. | :48:36. | |
scandalous situation. We were promised 90% coverage | :48:37. | :48:38. | |
by the end of this year. There's no way we're | :48:39. | :48:41. | |
going to make that up. You know, there was clearly | :48:42. | :48:44. | |
something wrong If BT can't be forced to deliver | :48:45. | :48:46. | |
this or at least penalised for not delivering it on time then | :48:47. | :48:50. | |
there was something wrong There have been a couple of very | :48:51. | :48:52. | |
critical select committee rdports One recommending they be split off | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
from Open Reach, which I thhnk Ofcom They've given them a last chance | :48:57. | :49:00. | |
on that and one said that they were missing 1000 visits | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
a week in terms of the implementation of broadband, | :49:05. | :49:06. | |
so there's clearly something I feel very sorry for | :49:07. | :49:08. | |
the councillors that have h`d to deal with this at a local level | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
but I think in the end, the buck has to stop | :49:13. | :49:15. | |
with the government. David, have you got any way | :49:16. | :49:17. | |
of penalising BT for this or indeed making them actually achievd this | :49:18. | :49:20. | |
target in the next few months? Well, I think the important thing | :49:21. | :49:23. | |
is that we continue a constructive relationship with BT, | :49:24. | :49:26. | |
Holborn to account. We're waiting to see | :49:27. | :49:33. | |
the actual numbers. We don't know what the | :49:34. | :49:36. | |
percentage points are. There's talk of their being a number | :49:37. | :49:38. | |
of months behind. This will inevitably | :49:39. | :49:41. | |
run into the delivery We need to put pressure on BT | :49:42. | :49:42. | |
but at the same time make stre I wanted to talk about that | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
because I think the last tile we spoke you weren't prepardd | :49:48. | :49:51. | |
or able to confirm that the phase two target, 95% within the next | :49:52. | :49:54. | |
year, would be made. That's going to happen now, is it, | :49:55. | :49:56. | |
with these latest convocations? I don't think you're in a position | :49:57. | :49:59. | |
to say that. The procurement has closed xet, | :50:00. | :50:01. | |
so we don't know the results. So you haven't got | :50:02. | :50:04. | |
the contracter in place yet? Since we spoke, the level | :50:05. | :50:06. | |
of interest in being a provider under phase two | :50:07. | :50:10. | |
has been significant. I have every anticipation | :50:11. | :50:13. | |
that we might well over delhver which is good news but it doesn t | :50:14. | :50:17. | |
make up for BT's shortfall We have to bear in mind that | :50:18. | :50:20. | |
whatever we do as an intervdntion programme, were not allowed by law | :50:21. | :50:24. | |
to interfere in the commerchal area, so that the end of the day BT just | :50:25. | :50:42. | |
have too deliver and we've got to keep the pressure on thel, | :50:43. | :50:46. | |
government has to keep the pressure It's well-known that Cornwall got | :50:47. | :50:49. | |
a lot of European funding to roll out superfast broadband but people | :50:50. | :50:55. | |
repeatedly say, in theory, that's right, but we've | :50:56. | :50:57. | |
still got problems. You've got a very | :50:58. | :50:59. | |
rural constituency. If you're in that 5% | :51:00. | :51:00. | |
of people that don't get it, that's a particular problem | :51:01. | :51:03. | |
so I wanted to try and get involved so I got involved | :51:04. | :51:05. | |
in the Digital Economy Bill, which is currently going | :51:06. | :51:08. | |
through Parliament at the moment and we're trying to implement a 10 | :51:09. | :51:10. | |
megabits speed over the course of the whole country | :51:11. | :51:13. | |
as a universal service obligation, so the emphasis will be | :51:14. | :51:15. | |
on organisations like BT and if they don't deliver, | :51:16. | :51:17. | |
we're going to give Ofcom the ability to step in and test | :51:18. | :51:20. | |
people's signals on the doorstep, not at the cabinet, | :51:21. | :51:23. | |
but on the doorstep, so that they are able to thdn | :51:24. | :51:24. | |
penalise the contractor. OK, we're going to have | :51:25. | :51:27. | |
to leave it there. David, thank you very much once | :51:28. | :51:29. | |
again and perhaps we'll be talking about your over | :51:30. | :51:32. | |
delivery next time! Plymouth, according to government | :51:33. | :51:33. | |
figures, landed the most fish in England last year and only last | :51:34. | :51:38. | |
week the value of fish sold at Brixham market surpassed | :51:39. | :51:41. | |
the million pound mark But many fishermen feel the industry | :51:42. | :51:43. | |
has been hamstrung by Britahn's membership of the EU and ard hoping | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
for a brighter future post-Brexit. Scott tabled a debate on thhs | :51:47. | :51:49. | |
at Westminster a few days ago. We'll be hearing from him and former | :51:50. | :51:52. | |
Fisheries Minister, Ben, This was the day in June | :51:53. | :51:55. | |
that the battle for Brexit When a flotilla of fishing | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
boats travelled up Among them, fishermen | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
from the south-west. Brixham skipper Mike Sharp was one, | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
desperate to be rid of an ET quota The French have 70% of the cod, | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
we have eight. They have 70% of the haddock, | :52:13. | :52:19. | |
we have about seven or eight. And it's every species, | :52:20. | :52:22. | |
so it's not a case of we want more for a bigger quota, | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
we want and equal share of ht and most of the fish | :52:28. | :52:31. | |
is in English waters. We asked marine consultant, | :52:32. | :52:36. | |
Terry Portman, to explain how In the beginning when we johned | :52:37. | :52:38. | |
the CFP, there were And why south-west fishermen feel | :52:39. | :52:43. | |
they got landed with a raw deal Because the emphasis was put | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
on the UK having bigger percentages in what the government of the day | :52:48. | :52:53. | |
thought was the important Most fishermen will welcome | :52:54. | :52:56. | |
the opportunity to have all been The idea that we have a big enough | :52:57. | :53:04. | |
naval fleet to go out and look at the hundreds of fishing | :53:05. | :53:09. | |
boats in our waters every There's a lot to take in so here's | :53:10. | :53:12. | |
a helpful graphic to explain things. Under the Common Fisheries Policy, | :53:13. | :53:20. | |
European fishing fleets are given equal access to EU waters | :53:21. | :53:22. | |
and fishing grounds up to 12 nautical miles from the coasts | :53:23. | :53:25. | |
of EU member states. When the UK leaves the EU, | :53:26. | :53:28. | |
it'll take back control of `n area extending 200 nautical | :53:29. | :53:31. | |
miles from our coast. Or in the case of the channdl, | :53:32. | :53:33. | |
up to the median line. So, it's absolutely possibld | :53:34. | :53:38. | |
that the UK's starting position will be that we have our territorial | :53:39. | :53:45. | |
waters back and the UK has sole The reality is that I'm surd | :53:46. | :53:49. | |
there be a series of negoti`tions and somewhere between that | :53:50. | :53:56. | |
and what we currently have Those who backed the Fishing | :53:57. | :53:58. | |
For Leave campaign are now pushing We have to ensure that the living | :53:59. | :54:04. | |
resources in our waters are available primarily for UK | :54:05. | :54:11. | |
fishermen and that they are managed a lot better | :54:12. | :54:13. | |
than they have been in the past Although poised to slip | :54:14. | :54:19. | |
the shackles of Europe, communities like Brixham know | :54:20. | :54:22. | |
there's a lot to lose. The main problem that everyone | :54:23. | :54:27. | |
is scared of that fishing is so small that we will be traded | :54:28. | :54:30. | |
off but it is not just It's the coastal ports all `round | :54:31. | :54:38. | |
the country, the shipbuilding, According to the government, | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
85% of all UK shellfish was exported The need to maintain a closd trading | :54:43. | :54:45. | |
relationship with the use whll make things get more complicated | :54:46. | :54:55. | |
for ministers trying to hamler out Scott, what about the suggestion | :54:56. | :55:01. | |
we had from a fishermen there and I've heard | :55:02. | :55:05. | |
from other people as well, that in the totality of these Brexit | :55:06. | :55:07. | |
negotiations, relatively sm`ll industries like fishing and indeed | :55:08. | :55:09. | |
farming, as you were debating this week, could actually be | :55:10. | :55:12. | |
the fall guys, ie, you know, if there are prizes to secure, | :55:13. | :55:14. | |
the price going to to be pahd might Well, of course it is small now | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
in the West Country but it I remember growing up and sdeing, | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
you know, fishing communitids that were absolutely thriving | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
along the coastline. To put in another way, | :55:27. | :55:27. | |
somebody from the fishing community was saying, | :55:28. | :55:29. | |
you know, if there is a deb`te about saving passporting rights | :55:30. | :55:32. | |
for the city and conceding something in fishing in response, | :55:33. | :55:34. | |
that might be the option When we entered the European Union, | :55:35. | :55:36. | |
we had to give over our fishing rights as a communal resource | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
and they are historically hours and I think that we should hnvoke | :55:41. | :55:46. | |
the United Nations Law of the Sea and claim our territorial | :55:47. | :55:53. | |
fishing waters back. So, are we talking about gohng | :55:54. | :55:55. | |
to the 200 mile... So, no deal to share any | :55:56. | :55:57. | |
access at all? Well, I think there does nedd to be | :55:58. | :56:01. | |
a discussion about whether xou enter waters but I think the Brithsh | :56:02. | :56:04. | |
government should be in control But presumably, will you sthll think | :56:05. | :56:07. | |
it is important to have this tariff free access for I think | :56:08. | :56:12. | |
it was the 85% of shellfish we sell You will have to give | :56:13. | :56:15. | |
something in return. One of the things that came out | :56:16. | :56:19. | |
of the fishing and farming debate was that we export 40% | :56:20. | :56:24. | |
of our lamb to France. So there does need | :56:25. | :56:27. | |
to be a trade-off. It is a big challenge to achieve | :56:28. | :56:29. | |
that, isn't it, because of the rules Everybody seems to accept that | :56:30. | :56:32. | |
when we entered the then EEC, we got a bad deal in terms | :56:33. | :56:38. | |
of the fishing quota. Yeah, but my worry is we cotld | :56:39. | :56:48. | |
have an even worse when aftdr this process and I think there could be | :56:49. | :56:51. | |
a lot of disappointed Brexit supporting fishermen out | :56:52. | :56:54. | |
there for two reasons. Firstly, as you have just s`id, | :56:55. | :56:56. | |
we rely heavily on exports. The vast majority of our, | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
you know, the biggest catch here and these fantastic record | :57:00. | :57:01. | |
cuttlefish catches in Plymotth and Brixham, go straight | :57:02. | :57:03. | |
to the Italian markets Our crab and lobster goes straight | :57:04. | :57:05. | |
to France and Spain. The very worst thing to happen | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
would be if tariffs The idea that we could unil`terally | :57:10. | :57:11. | |
declare a 200 mile limit with no consequences is, | :57:12. | :57:16. | |
I'm afraid, a pie in the skx. We'd be looking at a place hn a sole | :57:17. | :57:19. | |
war rather than a cod war and the other thing is, | :57:20. | :57:22. | |
the idea that anyone else is going to give us a lot of favours | :57:23. | :57:25. | |
in the negotiation and that a British government | :57:26. | :57:28. | |
is going to prioritise fishhng is, unfortunately, given as you say | :57:29. | :57:30. | |
the importance of much more important areas | :57:31. | :57:32. | |
and sectors for our economy. You know, we've heard a lot | :57:33. | :57:35. | |
from the Labour Party in parliament over the last few weeks abott access | :57:36. | :57:42. | |
to the single market. And from some of your | :57:43. | :57:44. | |
own MPs, on both sides But from my point of view, | :57:45. | :57:47. | |
I think the one thing we nedd to do right now is deliver | :57:48. | :57:52. | |
the will of the British people and I think that, you know, | :57:53. | :57:55. | |
we've seen a lot of questions from Labour members | :57:56. | :57:57. | |
of Parliament around what Brexit Martyn, if we were | :57:58. | :57:59. | |
playing cards right now, I don't think we should be showing | :58:00. | :58:05. | |
everybody their cards either. I think it's important for ts | :58:06. | :58:15. | |
to play as good a hand as we can at the moment | :58:16. | :58:18. | |
for our people in this country. I completely accept that | :58:19. | :58:21. | |
but I'm just not sure it was the will of the Brithsh | :58:22. | :58:23. | |
people to do ourselves OK, we can't pursue the whole | :58:24. | :58:26. | |
single market and Brexit The Transport Secretary prolises | :58:27. | :58:29. | |
the government won't sit by and see the region's railway severed | :58:30. | :58:35. | |
a second time. This is a very crucial link | :58:36. | :58:39. | |
to an important part of our country. Cornwall's Conservative MPs under | :58:40. | :58:45. | |
fire for failing to vote against a new constituency | :58:46. | :58:48. | |
shared with Devon. They completely missed a golden | :58:49. | :58:53. | |
opportunity and I think the people of Cornwall should be | :58:54. | :58:55. | |
pretty upset about. Dartmoor councillors fight | :58:56. | :58:57. | |
to hold their phone boxes. This is situated in a vallex | :58:58. | :59:02. | |
and we have very high sides to the valleys | :59:03. | :59:05. | |
there is no mobile signal. Plymouth MP Oliver Coville lanages | :59:06. | :59:10. | |
to get hedgehogs into a deb`te Local authorities could makd sure | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
they have policies to make sure that they have hedgehog supdr | :59:14. | :59:29. | |
highways and something that And, the pint sized campaigner | :59:30. | :59:31. | |
bringing thousands of locked drains to the attention | :59:32. | :59:35. | |
of Cornwall Council. Scott, you were one of the Cornish | :59:36. | :59:37. | |
MPs who voted against the SNP amendment to oppose the boundary | :59:38. | :59:41. | |
changes, which would see thhs Devon You said a few weeks ago whdn this | :59:42. | :59:43. | |
was announced that you were going to take soundings | :59:44. | :59:49. | |
from your constituents. The truth is, I think that ht | :59:50. | :59:51. | |
would take somebody very spdcial to represent both areas, | :59:52. | :59:59. | |
to represent both youthful `reas. Geoffrey Cox has ruled himsdlf | :00:00. | :00:05. | |
out on the other side Geoffrey Cox has ruled himsdlf | :00:06. | :00:16. | |
out on the other side I'm saying to you that I thhnk | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
it can be done but you have to deal with two local enterprise | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
partnerships and that So there is no issue of a principled | :00:26. | :00:26. | |
stand against it? No one is moving | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
the historic border. This is about whether an MP can do | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
two jobs for two different Scott will have another opportunity | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
to vote against the boundarx changes in November because there's | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
a private members bill that Will you vote against it thdn, | :00:39. | :00:41. | |
Scott? Would I vote against | :00:42. | :00:44. | |
the boundary review then? I would, as I said to you, | :00:45. | :00:45. | |
be taking soundings At the moment the number of e-mails | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
that have been in my inbox `re quite small on this issue but I whll take | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
soundings from the people that It looks as if noises | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
from the Transport Secretarx are that the government | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
will stump up the money We have heard this before | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
and it hasn't happened I'm not an engineer, Martin, | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
but ideally have some concerns I do have some concerns abott moving | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
a railway line from the cliff face into the sea, when it seems | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
the sea is the problem. go ahead with this policy, I know. | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
And now back to Andrew. So, Brexit, airports, | :01:16. | :01:27. | |
Calais and the chances With what Rory Stewart was saying | :01:28. | :01:49. | |
there, it is clear that Islamic State is losing territory in Iraq | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
now, and could come under pressure in Syria as well. It used to control | :01:53. | :01:59. | |
a whole swathe of the coast of Libya, and is now down to a small | :02:00. | :02:08. | |
area of Sirte in Libya. But curiously, it could make them more | :02:09. | :02:11. | |
dangerous here if they are being driven out of the Maghreb and the | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
Levant, they could be more dangerous here. Discuss. That was a very | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
interesting admission from a government minister, of all people, | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
and a well-informed one. Chasing Isis around the Middle East is | :02:27. | :02:33. | |
about... Like chasing Al-Qaeda around Afghanistan and Pakistan You | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
smash them somewhere, and they pop up somewhere else. He is right to | :02:38. | :02:46. | |
warn that these guys will go somewhere. And it may well be, in | :02:47. | :02:57. | |
Sirte, for example, across the magic oration -- across the Mediterranean | :02:58. | :03:03. | |
into Italy. A lot of the foreign fighters in Mosul have already gone, | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
we heard, which raises the question, to where? I think it is quite right | :03:07. | :03:14. | |
for government ministers to warn that it might have repercussions | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
here. We have been involved in this, with full public consent, as far as | :03:20. | :03:24. | |
we can tell. If it doesn't happen, if there are horrors and outrages | :03:25. | :03:28. | |
here and in the rest of Europe, that's fine. If it does happen, at | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
least the government is prepared. We knew surprised about how categorical | :03:36. | :03:43. | |
Nia Griffith was? She was categorical about support for the | :03:44. | :03:49. | |
Allied action in Iraq, and categorical about Russia. So much so | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
that perhaps written should take tougher sanctions on its own, even | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
if it can't get the Europeans to fall in line. I found that | :04:01. | :04:05. | |
interesting. I was surprised by that. Tom may be right that Rory | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
said more than perhaps he was intending, but I thought that some | :04:11. | :04:15. | |
of what she said sounded politically imprudent in the current context of | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
the Labour Party. I'm not sure she cleared those lines with the Labour | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
office. I'm not sure she and Jeremy are in the same place about it. I'm | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
not sure there is that much leadership. People at the moment get | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
out there and say what they think it's right for the party. She | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
sounded dead right to me. Whether it is ill-advised or not, people should | :04:39. | :04:44. | |
answer... I want to move on, because Brexit never goes away. This week we | :04:45. | :04:50. | |
saw Hilary Benn, former Shadow Foreign Secretary. He is going to be | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
the chair of the select committee in the Commons which will monitor the | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
Department for Brexit. All sorts of people will be coming to give | :04:59. | :05:01. | |
testimony and so one. Let's hear what he told Andrew Marr. | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
I think it will be very important for the government to indicate that | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
if it is not possible within the two years provided for by Article 5 | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
to negotiate both our withdrawal agreement and a new trading | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
relationship, market access, including for services, | :05:15. | :05:15. | |
80% of our economy, million jobs, in financial services, | :05:16. | :05:17. | |
that it should tell the House of Commons that it will seek | :05:18. | :05:20. | |
a transitional arrangement with the European Union. | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
If the deal is not done at the end of the two-year Article 50 process, | :05:27. | :05:34. | |
would the government go for an interim agreement, or would it fall | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
back on WTO, World Trade Organisation, Rawls? My | :05:41. | :05:45. | |
understanding is the article 15 negotiation doesn't specifically | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
include what Britain's future trading relationship with the EU | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
would be. It is perfectly possible that Article 50 could be triggered, | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
and after two years we don't have a trade deal, but the trade deal | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
negotiations are ongoing when we are outside the EU. But the trade deal | :06:04. | :06:14. | |
negotiations are the most important thing. If Article 50 doesn't cover | :06:15. | :06:16. | |
it, what is it about? Absolutely essential. The trade deal with | :06:17. | :06:19. | |
Canada has taken nine years, and now it looks like it is fading, because | :06:20. | :06:27. | |
of the Walloons. Just one small part of the country. If you cannot do a | :06:28. | :06:36. | |
free-trade deal with Canada, a progressive, social Democratic | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
Canada, who can the EU do a trade deal with? You would think it would | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
be easy with us, because we have all of the level playing field | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
agreements in place. You would hope it would be easier, but it may not | :06:48. | :06:53. | |
be, because in the end, it will hinge on the single market and if we | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
are in or out. If we are in, can we have a small break on immigration? | :06:59. | :07:07. | |
It looks like not. What is interesting about the opinion polls | :07:08. | :07:09. | |
is, in the last two opinion polls there was a significant change in | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
public opinion, where people are now saying they think that actually | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
trade, the economy, the single market is more important than | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
immigration. If it is really true, as the observer is reporting today, | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
that banks are on the move, and in a year's time there could be a | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
significant collapse in the income we get from finance, the income that | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
the Treasury gets, then public opinion might change. They may say, | :07:37. | :07:47. | |
we don't want more immigration, but this isn't a price worth paying | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
Everything tends to be seen through the Brexit lens at the moment. | :07:51. | :07:57. | |
Things are not always as they seem. The Canadian- EU free trade | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
agreement was about increasing free trade between the EU and Canada and | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
therefore subject to the ratification of all members. Any | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
deal we do will not give us the same access we have at the moment. The | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
question is, how much will it be diminished? It may not be subject to | :08:16. | :08:22. | |
the same ratification process. Absolutely right. Another | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
unbelievably technical point that we still don't know is, if we can get | :08:25. | :08:31. | |
this free-trade deal with the EU at the same time as our Brexit talks | :08:32. | :08:35. | |
and deal, the divorce deal as well as the remarriage deal, then one | :08:36. | :08:44. | |
gets signed off by QM V. The trade deal may still need all 28, all 27, | :08:45. | :08:53. | |
including the people from the Walloons. And the MEPs. The majority | :08:54. | :08:59. | |
of parliament. This is exactly why Theresa May would like the | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
transitional deal to push this one deeper. I was surprised to hear | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
Hilary Benn pushing this line this morning. The remainers have been all | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
over the place. They wanted a vote after Article 50 had been triggered | :09:12. | :09:16. | |
about the deal. Then they wanted a vote before Article 50. Now they are | :09:17. | :09:24. | |
talking about a vote before article Article 50 is triggered about a | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
trade deal. They need to make up their minds about what it is they | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
are pushing for, and what their best hope of obstructing Brexit is, and | :09:34. | :09:39. | |
stick with it. Something else we see through the Brexit lens, which isn't | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
always helpful, is Calais. The French bulldozers will move in | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
tomorrow. We will see some pretty disturbing scenes on the TV. We will | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
see some horrible scenes. The government has handled this very | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
badly. Having passed an amendment in April saying we would take something | :09:58. | :10:03. | |
like 3000 children, a lot of those children have disappeared. Save the | :10:04. | :10:06. | |
Children, one of the charities there, are very worried that people | :10:07. | :10:10. | |
traffickers have been in there, and a lot of those children have | :10:11. | :10:18. | |
vanished. We haven't sent social workers in. No preparations have | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
been made what ever. You are raising an interesting point. We don't know | :10:23. | :10:29. | |
how many we are meant to be taking. The huge argument has arisen over | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
what the age is of some of the ones coming in. Is this another problem | :10:34. | :10:40. | |
for the Home Office? To some extent. Didn't Theresa May 's too well to | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
survive six weeks of this? Amber Rudd has been there for three | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
months. It is clear that the Home Office didn't prepare for this. They | :10:51. | :10:53. | |
didn't prepare for the age verification or when it will go It | :10:54. | :11:01. | |
needs to be an perfect. We don't know how many we will take, because | :11:02. | :11:07. | |
the Home Office will not say. I want to talk about airport capacity, but | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
I won't, because I don't think we have anything to say about it until | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
the statement on Tuesday from Transport Minister Grayling. When | :11:17. | :11:21. | |
you look at the polls and see the decision on airport runway expansion | :11:22. | :11:24. | |
being kicked into the long grass for a year, are we heading for an early | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
election next year or not? I think Theresa May will do everything she | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
can to avoid it. If there is an election before 2020, it is bound to | :11:35. | :11:41. | |
be about Europe, and that is a much harder case for her to win than just | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
a question of who is the best Prime Minister. She will have a tough | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
time, because it will be a general election about in or out of the | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
single market. Half of her party will peel away. How do she conduct a | :11:55. | :11:59. | |
general election when the likes of Anna Soubry will not stand on the | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
same platform? It will be difficult. But she may reach such a stalemate | :12:06. | :12:14. | |
that she just calls one. No general election next year because it will | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
split the Tory party. There will be won in 2019 when she cannot get | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
Brexit through the House of Commons. You really can have too much of a | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
good thing. I just want to show a little clip of the former Shadow | :12:26. | :12:30. | |
Chancellor, Ed Balls, from Strictly last night. Let's just watch this. | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
There he is. Where is the hand? That is the | :12:35. | :12:46. | |
worrying bit! We will no longer be saying that Ed Balls is a safe pair | :12:47. | :12:54. | |
of hands! Can we agree on that? Remarkable that he was once the man | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
most feared by David Cameron! Labour leader 2021. He has hit popular | :12:59. | :13:06. | |
culture in the way that many few politicians do. Charm, gusto, | :13:07. | :13:13. | |
bravery, no worries about being embarrassed. All the things that you | :13:14. | :13:20. | |
don't like about being a politician. We have run out of time. You can get | :13:21. | :13:22. | |
it on social media. Jo Coburn will be back | :13:23. | :13:25. | |
with the Daily Politics tomorrow And I'll be back here next | :13:26. | :13:27. | |
Sunday at the same time. Remember if it's Sunday, | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
it's the Sunday Politics. Everyone's living these | :13:32. | :14:04. | |
amazing lives, You're like a... | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
Different person? Delve deeper. | :14:08. | :14:18. | |
Ordinary Lives continues... They have something on me | :14:19. | :14:27. | |
that I can actually remember. They have something on me | :14:28. | :14:28. | |
that I can actually remember. The final chapter between | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
Gibson and Spector. | :14:33. | :14:37. |