04/03/2012 Sunday Politics South


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Sunday Politics in the South... One in three children living in poverty.


All parties signed up to eradicate child poverty by 2020 but will they


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Hello, I'm Peter Henley, and coming up on the Sunday Politics in the


South... Lord Coe said he wants the Olympic legacy to be about improved


sports provision across Britain - but in Dorset, cuts to the county's


sports budget make that look a bit of a non-starter. First, we will


meet the two politicians that be will -- that will be with us for


the next 20 minutes. You are on the defence Select Committee. You are


off on a trip to the Falklands? later today. It is a routine visit.


The committee has not been there for a long time and there is


nothing provocative about it. is what they said about Prince


William. I think whatever is being done now, Argentina is reacting


hysterically, I think to very routine things. William is there to


do a job. We are they to go and see things like the assets we have got


out there. Nothing provocative about that. Allen, what do you


think about the situation? It is terribly worrying on the south


coast because of the history of the Navy had been to take down there


before. It is different because of the presence in the Falklands and


around it. That would deter any serious invasion attempt. But it is


the sabre rattling. The general atmosphere and the closing of


possible flights and shipping. that all coming from them or could


we is back a little bit? -- pulled back. I do not think we will be in


the situation that we were again. Argentina said they will not use


military force and that they want a long-term change in the status of


the islands. But the trouble is, you either say that the Falklands


can go in one direction or another. Actually there is not that much


room for negotiation. But that is about it. It is a bit of a dead end


as far as the present situation is concerned. You will be checking on


the defence facilities. Are you happy or have you got questions?


That is a routine part of our job. We go to all parts of the world


where we have got military assets. But the problem with the last


Falklands war was that we were almost encouraging dialogue with


Argentina. We are not doing anything provocative. We have had a


very gentle debate and we have in fact praised servicemen that died


in Argentina. We are doing a job and we have got to have a firmer


line and that is not up for Four million children are living in


poverty in Britain. That's one in three - one of the highest rates in


the developed world. Tomorrow night's Inside Out has been filming


on one estate in Southampton with families that really know what


those statistics mean. My daddy worries about the bills and us


children and it is a bit hard with the parents. I go without said that


the children can have things, basically. It is getting harder


because the price is going up. We are talking about cutting benefits.


I have got to do that for the best of my family and that is what I am


here for. I hope they will grow up in a good way, get good schools and


good jobs and I do not want them to become part of the benefit


dependency. Not everybody pays their rent and we have got to pay


rent and we need food. We got a call from the housing office saying


that it is more important to put a brick on your head than feed your


children and I am saying it is not. -- CROWD SINGS on your head.


Is it getting worse? Are people really feeling the pinch in ways


that you cannot measure rather than people are just not having enough


money and not getting a job? Yes, things are getting worse and


families are struggling to make ends meet. The bills are going up


week by week. Electricity, gas, water. It takes money away from


what they would normally spend on family life. When you see children


with expensive trainers, trips to McDonald's, flat-screen televisions,


do you think they could economise a bit more? You must think that


sometimes. Sometimes you might think that, yes. But we do not


often nowhere beats that screen televisions and trainers have come


from. You would be surprised what you can get from charity shops and


organisations supporting you. it is a pressure to get these


things for children, apart from anything else. And also, I heard


one of the fathers saying that they tried to keep up appearances. The


children want to go to school and say, we have not got any money


problems when they are not getting enough to eat. Children are quite


escheat. They understand when mummy and daddy are struggling. They


understand when purse strings are getting tighter but they do not


want to admit that two friends. You are open to all sorts of bullying.


Well, not bullying, but comments being made and children do not want


that. They want to be like their friends. And an awful lot of people


are packed into housing that is not good enough. There are families


packed into a two-bedroom flats that are waiting for bigger houses


and we have obviously not got enough housing stock for all of


them to be housed appropriately. You are doing what you can but I am


sure the politicians can help. would be wonderful if they could


give a bit of a hand to some of these families. What would you say


to these two? One Conservative and one Labour. Labour have been in


power for a long time before. think about the children. It is


easy to blame the parents and the adults. But actually, they do not


necessarily suffer as much. It is the children who supper. Some of


these people are right to go to people that are defrauding but a


lot of families are not defrauding and are being penalised and the


children suffer. It is tough, isn't it? You are bringing in welfare


changes to get people back to work but he will hit innocent people,


would you not? First of all, we are going to try and lift three and and


50,000 families out of poverty by introducing the Universal credit. -


- 350 thousand. You get weeks where people are not getting money and it


is pretty chaotic. We are having won at Universal credit which will


simplify the benefit system dramatically. The other thing it is


making work really paid. The average income for a household in


Portsmouth is actually less than the benefit cap we are proposing.


We have got to get back to having a giggle bit of perspective and to


really make certain that it is not about people being lazy. -- a


little bit. We need to encourage that behaviour and that is what we


are tackling. Do you see it that way? The latter part of the Bill is


extraordinary, frankly in terms of saying that benefits are going to


be capped so people will get into work. That work pays. Of coursework


should pay. But work needs to be there in order to do that. Secondly,


what I think the Bill completely is missing as far as child poverty is


concerned is that these families normally live on a very marginal


cash economy and a small matter of change in the cash coming into


household can have a devastating effect. The sort of changes that


are going through the housing benefits where these are encamped


at a level that would probably put a number of people into homes and


that is putting pressure on local authorities and destroying the


family fabric. They cannot cope with that situation. We might


actually spend more money as far as welfare is concerned as a result.


This could be more expensive? have got transitional arrangements


in place. A lot of things that are wrong with the current system is


that you have got a big dropping off point. If you work more than a


certain number of hours per week, you get clobbered with benefits. We


are trying to get away from that and have a gentle running him to


the new regime. But we have got to change the way we operate. One of


the fathers in that clip said he did not want his children to be in


a benefit trap. We have got to change dramatically how welfare


works. We have got to provide support for people to get them into


work and stop form-filling and box ticking and courses. We need to get


them into a job. And you are saying the jobs are not there? People are


trying to get jobs and state into jobs and one of the things the last


government did was change the circumstances under which people


are supported when they are in the process of getting into a job so


that job is secured and Family Finance is secured. The problem is


how you change family circumstances so they can think of getting into


work and staying in to work but at the same time, not making it


difficult for them by capping benefits and making them possibly


worse off than before. Good luck with all your work with these


And you can see the rest of that film on Inside Out tomorrow night


at 7.30pm on BBC 1 With less than six months to the Olympics, it's


probably not too early to be wondering what legacy the Games


will leave behind. We've been promised better facilities and


increased participation, but as Tristan Pascoe reports from Dorset,


for some the legacy will be gold, England has taken the silver!


want local provision for people to have the opportunity to experience


sport. Not necessarily at the highest level but to have habits


and patterns in sport. Lord Coe in 2006. In 2012, investment in local


sport is in the two camps, the hounds and have-nots. You can


almost smell the investment in Portsmouth. 60 million spent on the


Sailing Academy behind me. -- �16 million. �26 million spent on the


marina. A cross the water behind me from where the events will take


place would be sailing, �3 million worth of an observation platform


and more than �90 million spent on a relief road bringing people into


Weymouth and Portland. Loads of money for high profile Olympic


sailing events but what about other sports? Swanning, for example?


would be wonderful if we could at investment. -- swimming. We could


teach them not just to compete but to save lives and also unique to be


able to swim before saving. But the money is not step. County Council


funding has been slashed by 11 %. The sport but it has always been


very small inside the county council. It is all to encourage and


facilitate groups in order to work together and bring down external


funding. Easier said than done. This is the aim of Weymouth at Les


Six Club. -- Weymouth athletics club. It is hardly surprising that


many local athletes are having to travel hundreds of miles away and


trained elsewhere. They are not likely to produce the next Jonathan


Edwards it. All of his children are athlete but because of poor local


conditions, they train many miles away from home. We would love some


funding to get a proper track laid. Nothing fancy. Just the bare


minimum and then people can train and schoolchildren can use it. Lots


of people come here every year and it is dependent on these facilities.


The atmosphere is fantastic and the children love it and it would be


great to carry that arm. The ABS had said they are delivering on the


Olympic legacy. We have been using this facility to get young people


into sailing. You can sail for a cheap programmes. We have had 9,000


people in the water for the first time. I am very confident that we


will have a long-term legacy. is well and good for the next


generation. But what about other sports locally? Is a reduction in


future funding the real Olympic legacy in south Dorset? It is not.


The legacy is that people will be working very closely together with


communities and various groups. We have kept the funding in place for


the staff this year to give us time to make sure we can work with


communities in order to continue the work that historically, we have


always done. No cash for community facilities them? What about this?


Is was given to us by the relief fund and that is supposed to be the


legacy. They have lost what the Olympics is all about. They got the


site on Portland but they have lost it elsewhere. They are


concentrating on the ceiling and not much on anything else. --


sailing. However well the team does, Lord Coe's hopes that more people


will get a taste for sport are A bit hit and miss? More than that.


We have always got a balance between what you do for Olympic


sports and community sports but actually they are linked. Unless


children get a good deal for Sport and wants to get enthusiastic and


go to the next stage, where are the elite sports coming from? That is


the problem. And learning to swim could save a life? Absolutely. You


have got to find ways of funding these projects. When it swimming


was pulled in Portsmouth, a company's debt him and enabled that


to be funded. -- stepped in. One hospital was built under private


finance initiative and it has got a swimming pool which any staff can


use at the moment. Only staff?! That is correct. But actually it


could be used for other things and I am very pleased to say the


hospital is considering opening the doors to do that facility to local


schools. We have got to make better use of what we have got and we have


got to bring in extra money. This Now, our regular round-up of the


political week in the South in 60 seconds and this week, it's all


Fed up with theft of lead from church roofs and a thunderbolt from


on high? Insurers are providing free alarm systems. We had


activated the alarm system. Street lamps are too bright, according to


some local people. They put off burglars but to save electricity,


councillors agreed to turn some damp. Theresa May said a balance


must be struck with the rowing lake in Berkshire between security and


excitement. We need to ensure security but enable the invent to


be enjoyed. HMS victory. The MoD confirmed they are thinking of a


change of ownership while keeping the tight ship as a Second Sea Lord.


98 doggy detectives are being taken on by the Wiltshire police. Eight


local officer spotted the way that dogs and walkers can sniff out


Volunteers and fresh men and these dogs have not had any proper


training! But anyway, we will leave that to one side. But what about


the bright lights of Hampshire being dimmed? I suppose you're a


campaign for energy-saving. Well, they can be dimmed a little bit,


they do not have to be and that is a good thing because that saves a


lot of energy. One of the bigger risks is that at the base., which


way do the lights face? -- based point. They are usually pointing


towards the road and dealing with traffic. Maybe if you turn them


around and they were not facing the road? Dimming the lights at night


as they stand at the moment is a good thing and it will probably not


have a great effect on burglary or anything else other than saving a


lot of energy. Looking at low- energy light bulbs and where the


lights are facing might be the factors of the future. Victory? It


does not matter, yes or no? should be a flagship. But not


having it just funded by the defence budget and opening it up to


other sources, like the teacher will be more secured and it will be


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