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In the south: we remember the servicemen and women injured

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overseas but do we forget their families? One charity says

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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1806 seconds

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Welcome to Sunday Politics South. On today's show: the creative

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industries earn billions for the country but the number of places to

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train as an art teacher are going down, while maths and physics are

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going up. First let me introduce might guesss,

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Mike Hancock is the Lib Dem MP for Portsmouth and David Willetts is

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the Conservative MP and minister for universities and science. This

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week there has been talking Portsmouth about the worry of the

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warships that have been built there and perhaps they should not be

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concentrating on Scotland with the Scotland trying to get more

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independence. That is not the issue. The issue is whether or not we keep

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shipbuilding in Portsmouth and that is what we are all fighting for and

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that is what the council and workforce and the majority of

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people in South Hampshire, they want to retain the capability of

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building ships for the Royal Navy in the port in Portsmouth.

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people talk about the nuclear submarines which provide a huge

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amount of employment in Scotland, would they still stay with

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independence? They are built in Barrow and maintained in Scotland.

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The nuclear submarines are a different issue because of the

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nature of the project. Navy warships should be built in the UK.

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I am appalled that we have led the contract go off to be bowled in

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Korea, it is a disaster for the country. Not worried about the

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Scots? There is an issue. It cannot be in one location. He is being

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very statesmanlike but the fact is the Lib Dem leader of Portsmouth

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council said because they are having a referendum the Scots

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should not be able to carry on with the level of building. That is

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dangerous to approach the referendum. We don't want English

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Verses Scots., a you see this problem because you are the

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Minister for English universities and not Scottish ones and those

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Scottish universities have a different policy. I am the Minister

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for teaching in universities in England and the fees regime but I

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am the Minister for Research and science. We look to invest in the

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places where science is best. I think we are stronger... Is it

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getting messy all of this stuff or can you cope with it? We can make

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it work. In areas like defence and science and research where we are a

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United Kingdom where we work together as a union and we don't

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stop playing of England versus Scotland.

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Four we had a sad reminder this week of the human costs of our

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military interventions with the death of six soldiers in

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Afghanistan. Those costss are borne by the families of killed and

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injured service personnel. Joining me is someone who knows what those

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costs can be. Julia Moloney is the mother of a serviceman wounded in

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Afghanistan and she has set up a support group to help other

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families in the same situation. It is called the report pond. Why is

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that? One that was when Anthony was injured, it felt like it was the

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stone into the pond and the reports buried in sizes depending on the

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closeness of asked to Anthony. Conversely now I want to make this

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go in the other way, so that I meet someone who comes from sate East

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Grinstead or Tunbridge Wells and they then set up their own little

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group there and they meet someone in Kent. I am in Brighton at the

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moment. I had a mother in all 10, if someone else from Chichester,

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they might think they can set up they might think they can set up

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their own support group. They need is just for spouses, mothers and

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fathers, brothers and sisters? Absolutely. Grandparents. Or the

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closely related family members. Perhaps the: -- only when I would

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not include would be children of the injured person. For a child to

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witness its mother, on-call or something, expressing that may not

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be helpful for the child. But any family member is welcome. The six

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deaths just highlight for the country and it was so quiet in the

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House of Commons when people were paying tribute. Just highlight the

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dangers faced by people going out there. It, the whole time your

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child is a way, your husband or wife, it is just eight continual

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high level of tension and perhaps for the people on the patches they

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have the support of the patch. For the mothers, brothers, sisters, be

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extended family not on the patch, it can be very lonely during that

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time. I can walk down the road and nobody will know that my son was

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there or is about to be fair. just need that person you can talk

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to. Absolutely. We heard -- we hear that news of the casualty and as a

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mother I hope I would here before the press, but I note that my son,

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his wife won here before the press does and hopefully she will tell me.

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Your heart goes out to those six families now. And the others, those

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going out facing those dangers. Julia was involved in this pre-

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deployment briefing power that so that service families could have a

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point of contact. Is there more the government could be doing? There is

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always more and certainly we need to support initiatives like Julia's

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but if you look at what we do now by way of support for people in

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these circumstances, it has got a lot better and the Ministry of

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Defence does try to be compassionate and understanding in

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these difficult circumstances in which families find themselves.

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have come a long way in the last 10 years. The situation today is

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dramatically different to what it was. But there are still a need and

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Julia's point about the family being involved prior to the

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department is very important, so they understand what is expected of

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their sons and daughters who are going and they can read for

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themselves the issues their children will face. I am delighted

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at the setting up of this and I am sure there is a continuous need for

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it. To many, for the six who died there will be 60 seriously injured

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and they will be living with that and so will their families. Many of

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these soldiers coming back are in medical treatment for several years

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and that is a huge burden that has to be shared amongst the family.

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Anything that can give the family the support they need, the better.

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Politicians are not in uniform but you are in the chain of command.

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His was something you take seriously? It is one of the most

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important decisions that anybody takes in politics and certainly the

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discussions we had about Libya before the decision we should

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provide air cover, the Prime Minister, we had everything from

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the Attorney-General giving legal advice and we could all sense this

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was not like a normal cabinet, there were serious decisions being

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taken. Julia, two politicians here, how do you feel that your corner is

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being defended? The families are being supported? I know that the

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MoD and all the service charities do everything they can for the

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families and I had absolutely 100 % faith in that. What I think is

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needed now and maybe it is already there, but the welfare office in

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Birmingham if they could produce something similar to a pre-

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deployment pack that is handed to all family members who come to

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visit their injured lock one, with a list of all those weary head of

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services that are waiting to help you, the Data Protection Act

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prevents them. We are stymied by that and there is a way around it.

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Thank you for coming in and telling us about it.

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Students due to start their postgraduate Certificate in

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Education course in Art at Oxford Brookes University are being told

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the court has been dropped. The university says it has had to

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cancel it because of government cuts. It is a pattern mirrored

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across the country as the government ships more places up

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towards academic subjects. -- shifts. There is a kaleidoscope

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of creativity in the studios as Oxford Brookes Universities final

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year degree students prepare for their end-of-term show. For 3 years

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they have been sculpting, sketching and studying their way towards a

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qualification in fine art. On a course at Oxford Brookes, one of

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the best but what happens when they finish? Rebecca Herreros was

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planning to stay on at Oxford Brookes and had been interviewed

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for a place on the university's art PGCE. The one-year training course

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that would allow her to become a teacher. And told she was told it

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had been cancelled. Very disappointed especially because my

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second, third and 4th choices had failed so I cannot apply for

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another PGCE until next year. I ever feeling disappointed and lost

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as to what to do when I graduate. The University blamed government

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cuts. I came into my degree in with this as my and gold. I had a son

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and I wanted to become a teacher. I think it is really important that

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children are taught art in the curriculum. They made me feel quite

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down and even with our contribution of �9,000 for our fees, it is not

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viable for teaching to go ahead. They gave me the idea that it would

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not be reinstated next year or in the future. But why Rebecca's hopes

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of teaching are put on hold, that is not the case for everyone. In

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fact, Oxford Brookes University has been given funding by the

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government to offer more students places on PGCE courses across the

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board next year and art as a subject nationally is seeing an

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increase in the number of PGCE places available. Why our courses

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still being cut? Over the past three years the government's

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Training and Development Agency has gradually been reducing the number

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of courses it allows in the arts, preferring instead to put money in

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other subjects and indeed at Brookes they are hopping --

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offering more places in physics and maths. The university declined our

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requests for the interview but said continuing to one of its art course

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would be unworkable. It is a sign of the tougher environment the art

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has become. Jobs have diminished as students are where they will have

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to be increasingly business-minded. It is not good enough to just be an

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artist. It is naive if you can't have a business background to

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succeed but there are people who would prefer it just come to them,

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they presume they should be getting that rather than working twice as

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hard in this economic climate. Rebecca and her colleagues are

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about to graduate in a different climate to the one in which they

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began. Nevertheless they want the government to recognise the

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importance of art. The Creative Industry within the UK brings in a

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huge amount of revenue. We are world leaders in creative arts, so

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I think it is short-sighted to write of the art as something that

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is a luxury. Oxford Brookes say everything is

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controlled by the teacher and Development Agency. The allocation

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fell from 14 to five. They will be working with local schools to

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achieve qualified teaching status. That is not the gold standard that

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you would expect from somewhere like Oxford Brookes. We tried to

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get a statement from the Department the business they said it was a

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matter for the Department of Education. They referred us to the

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T D A. Are you happy with this? don't know about the exact position

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this university took but the background is two crucial Trent --

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trends. There is a decline in those in secondary school age taking the

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subject and when it comes to the choices of those students, there

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has been a surge in applications for some of those applications like

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-- subject like physics and chemistry. They therefore have to

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plan the teacher Training for the patterns of demand for the students.

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If you have a decline for students applying to do the science and

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technology to -- supporters, you have to train your teachers. It is

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a clear pattern of what the students are choosing. My wife is

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an artist and I am completely probe the arts but people planning the

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teacher training have to take the decisions of individual students

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into account. Creative arts, surely that is the winner for the economy?

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Of course it is. It helps to build the real cocktail of life

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experiences we all want to share and these young artists will

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produce things we will all appreciate or dislike but they

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bring a difference to the quality of life that we all expect. And we

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need good art teachers? Absolutely. To give kids at school the real

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inspiration they need somebody who has been through that sort of

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background, who comes to the subject with a real thirst for it

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not somebody who has been told, next year you will be the art teach

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as well without having the qualifications. I think this is a

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clear example of where we will regret some of the issues that have

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come up and the diminishing of the offer of creative arts is a real

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chance for people to enjoy a university careers with a thought

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for future ahead, which offers something to communities as a whole.

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Will be Brian Cox effect swing too far? We have to see what students

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choose. Nobody is talking about taking a teacher who is trained in

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maths and saying, you are going to be the art teacher. We have a lot

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of our teachers and then we look at the pattern of A-levels people are

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choosing, we have to make sure the same goes for the physics teacher,

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that when you are choosing to do your physics A-level, you have

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someone with the background. We are wasting talents it seems. I do

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agree with Mike on the importance of art, but we have to take into

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account what the students are choosing. It will be very hard to

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rebuild a course like this. Once it goes it is lost for ever. Now our

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round-up of the political week in the south. We have a theme to do

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with travel and holidays. Four in 60 seconds.

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-- or in 60 seconds. Bournemouth has beaten Italy and Portugal to be

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voted one of Europe's favourite beaches. MP to buyers Ellwood said

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the trip it buys a survey of was a tremendous honour. If you're

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thinking of jetting off abroad, Gatwick unions are worried about

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how much time the flight crews are getting. It criticises European

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have plans for 14 our duty periods. The current changes being proposed

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do not follow the science or listening to what the pilots are

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telling us. A force to stop work, people in Remploy factories. Maria

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Miller explained the closures. These are difficult decisions. The

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current system is not working for disabled people. West Sussex is

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making it easier to work from home with 90 % of the county being

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covered by super-fast broadband. And schools minister Nick Gibbs

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saved himself a trip to Venezuela by checking out a South American

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teaching system in Surrey. That music system is fantastic.

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Everybody has got to do it. It is compulsory. You have heard about

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this. I have seen the benefits in schools. I think giving people the

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opportunity to hold an instrument, play an instrument, appreciate

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music is one of the best tips they could ever received at school.

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you can't do everything? The curriculum has to be whole. What

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you can do is defined the subjects that are essential for ensuring you

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have very good options for university but have these baits for

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the art, drama, photography, for all the extras. It is very

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important we allow that in the curriculum and the government

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Andrew Neil and Peter Henley with the latest political news, interviews and debate, including work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith and chief secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander.


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