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In the south: we remember the servicemen and women injured


overseas but do we forget their families? One charity says


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Welcome to Sunday Politics South. On today's show: the creative


industries earn billions for the country but the number of places to


train as an art teacher are going down, while maths and physics are


going up. First let me introduce might guesss,


Mike Hancock is the Lib Dem MP for Portsmouth and David Willetts is


the Conservative MP and minister for universities and science. This


week there has been talking Portsmouth about the worry of the


warships that have been built there and perhaps they should not be


concentrating on Scotland with the Scotland trying to get more


independence. That is not the issue. The issue is whether or not we keep


shipbuilding in Portsmouth and that is what we are all fighting for and


that is what the council and workforce and the majority of


people in South Hampshire, they want to retain the capability of


building ships for the Royal Navy in the port in Portsmouth.


people talk about the nuclear submarines which provide a huge


amount of employment in Scotland, would they still stay with


independence? They are built in Barrow and maintained in Scotland.


The nuclear submarines are a different issue because of the


nature of the project. Navy warships should be built in the UK.


I am appalled that we have led the contract go off to be bowled in


Korea, it is a disaster for the country. Not worried about the


Scots? There is an issue. It cannot be in one location. He is being


very statesmanlike but the fact is the Lib Dem leader of Portsmouth


council said because they are having a referendum the Scots


should not be able to carry on with the level of building. That is


dangerous to approach the referendum. We don't want English


Verses Scots., a you see this problem because you are the


Minister for English universities and not Scottish ones and those


Scottish universities have a different policy. I am the Minister


for teaching in universities in England and the fees regime but I


am the Minister for Research and science. We look to invest in the


places where science is best. I think we are stronger... Is it


getting messy all of this stuff or can you cope with it? We can make


it work. In areas like defence and science and research where we are a


United Kingdom where we work together as a union and we don't


stop playing of England versus Scotland.


Four we had a sad reminder this week of the human costs of our


military interventions with the death of six soldiers in


Afghanistan. Those costss are borne by the families of killed and


injured service personnel. Joining me is someone who knows what those


costs can be. Julia Moloney is the mother of a serviceman wounded in


Afghanistan and she has set up a support group to help other


families in the same situation. It is called the report pond. Why is


that? One that was when Anthony was injured, it felt like it was the


stone into the pond and the reports buried in sizes depending on the


closeness of asked to Anthony. Conversely now I want to make this


go in the other way, so that I meet someone who comes from sate East


Grinstead or Tunbridge Wells and they then set up their own little


group there and they meet someone in Kent. I am in Brighton at the


moment. I had a mother in all 10, if someone else from Chichester,


they might think they can set up they might think they can set up


their own support group. They need is just for spouses, mothers and


fathers, brothers and sisters? Absolutely. Grandparents. Or the


closely related family members. Perhaps the: -- only when I would


not include would be children of the injured person. For a child to


witness its mother, on-call or something, expressing that may not


be helpful for the child. But any family member is welcome. The six


deaths just highlight for the country and it was so quiet in the


House of Commons when people were paying tribute. Just highlight the


dangers faced by people going out there. It, the whole time your


child is a way, your husband or wife, it is just eight continual


high level of tension and perhaps for the people on the patches they


have the support of the patch. For the mothers, brothers, sisters, be


extended family not on the patch, it can be very lonely during that


time. I can walk down the road and nobody will know that my son was


there or is about to be fair. just need that person you can talk


to. Absolutely. We heard -- we hear that news of the casualty and as a


mother I hope I would here before the press, but I note that my son,


his wife won here before the press does and hopefully she will tell me.


Your heart goes out to those six families now. And the others, those


going out facing those dangers. Julia was involved in this pre-


deployment briefing power that so that service families could have a


point of contact. Is there more the government could be doing? There is


always more and certainly we need to support initiatives like Julia's


but if you look at what we do now by way of support for people in


these circumstances, it has got a lot better and the Ministry of


Defence does try to be compassionate and understanding in


these difficult circumstances in which families find themselves.


have come a long way in the last 10 years. The situation today is


dramatically different to what it was. But there are still a need and


Julia's point about the family being involved prior to the


department is very important, so they understand what is expected of


their sons and daughters who are going and they can read for


themselves the issues their children will face. I am delighted


at the setting up of this and I am sure there is a continuous need for


it. To many, for the six who died there will be 60 seriously injured


and they will be living with that and so will their families. Many of


these soldiers coming back are in medical treatment for several years


and that is a huge burden that has to be shared amongst the family.


Anything that can give the family the support they need, the better.


Politicians are not in uniform but you are in the chain of command.


His was something you take seriously? It is one of the most


important decisions that anybody takes in politics and certainly the


discussions we had about Libya before the decision we should


provide air cover, the Prime Minister, we had everything from


the Attorney-General giving legal advice and we could all sense this


was not like a normal cabinet, there were serious decisions being


taken. Julia, two politicians here, how do you feel that your corner is


being defended? The families are being supported? I know that the


MoD and all the service charities do everything they can for the


families and I had absolutely 100 % faith in that. What I think is


needed now and maybe it is already there, but the welfare office in


Birmingham if they could produce something similar to a pre-


deployment pack that is handed to all family members who come to


visit their injured lock one, with a list of all those weary head of


services that are waiting to help you, the Data Protection Act


prevents them. We are stymied by that and there is a way around it.


Thank you for coming in and telling us about it.


Students due to start their postgraduate Certificate in


Education course in Art at Oxford Brookes University are being told


the court has been dropped. The university says it has had to


cancel it because of government cuts. It is a pattern mirrored


across the country as the government ships more places up


towards academic subjects. -- shifts. There is a kaleidoscope


of creativity in the studios as Oxford Brookes Universities final


year degree students prepare for their end-of-term show. For 3 years


they have been sculpting, sketching and studying their way towards a


qualification in fine art. On a course at Oxford Brookes, one of


the best but what happens when they finish? Rebecca Herreros was


planning to stay on at Oxford Brookes and had been interviewed


for a place on the university's art PGCE. The one-year training course


that would allow her to become a teacher. And told she was told it


had been cancelled. Very disappointed especially because my


second, third and 4th choices had failed so I cannot apply for


another PGCE until next year. I ever feeling disappointed and lost


as to what to do when I graduate. The University blamed government


cuts. I came into my degree in with this as my and gold. I had a son


and I wanted to become a teacher. I think it is really important that


children are taught art in the curriculum. They made me feel quite


down and even with our contribution of �9,000 for our fees, it is not


viable for teaching to go ahead. They gave me the idea that it would


not be reinstated next year or in the future. But why Rebecca's hopes


of teaching are put on hold, that is not the case for everyone. In


fact, Oxford Brookes University has been given funding by the


government to offer more students places on PGCE courses across the


board next year and art as a subject nationally is seeing an


increase in the number of PGCE places available. Why our courses


still being cut? Over the past three years the government's


Training and Development Agency has gradually been reducing the number


of courses it allows in the arts, preferring instead to put money in


other subjects and indeed at Brookes they are hopping --


offering more places in physics and maths. The university declined our


requests for the interview but said continuing to one of its art course


would be unworkable. It is a sign of the tougher environment the art


has become. Jobs have diminished as students are where they will have


to be increasingly business-minded. It is not good enough to just be an


artist. It is naive if you can't have a business background to


succeed but there are people who would prefer it just come to them,


they presume they should be getting that rather than working twice as


hard in this economic climate. Rebecca and her colleagues are


about to graduate in a different climate to the one in which they


began. Nevertheless they want the government to recognise the


importance of art. The Creative Industry within the UK brings in a


huge amount of revenue. We are world leaders in creative arts, so


I think it is short-sighted to write of the art as something that


is a luxury. Oxford Brookes say everything is


controlled by the teacher and Development Agency. The allocation


fell from 14 to five. They will be working with local schools to


achieve qualified teaching status. That is not the gold standard that


you would expect from somewhere like Oxford Brookes. We tried to


get a statement from the Department the business they said it was a


matter for the Department of Education. They referred us to the


T D A. Are you happy with this? don't know about the exact position


this university took but the background is two crucial Trent --


trends. There is a decline in those in secondary school age taking the


subject and when it comes to the choices of those students, there


has been a surge in applications for some of those applications like


-- subject like physics and chemistry. They therefore have to


plan the teacher Training for the patterns of demand for the students.


If you have a decline for students applying to do the science and


technology to -- supporters, you have to train your teachers. It is


a clear pattern of what the students are choosing. My wife is


an artist and I am completely probe the arts but people planning the


teacher training have to take the decisions of individual students


into account. Creative arts, surely that is the winner for the economy?


Of course it is. It helps to build the real cocktail of life


experiences we all want to share and these young artists will


produce things we will all appreciate or dislike but they


bring a difference to the quality of life that we all expect. And we


need good art teachers? Absolutely. To give kids at school the real


inspiration they need somebody who has been through that sort of


background, who comes to the subject with a real thirst for it


not somebody who has been told, next year you will be the art teach


as well without having the qualifications. I think this is a


clear example of where we will regret some of the issues that have


come up and the diminishing of the offer of creative arts is a real


chance for people to enjoy a university careers with a thought


for future ahead, which offers something to communities as a whole.


Will be Brian Cox effect swing too far? We have to see what students


choose. Nobody is talking about taking a teacher who is trained in


maths and saying, you are going to be the art teacher. We have a lot


of our teachers and then we look at the pattern of A-levels people are


choosing, we have to make sure the same goes for the physics teacher,


that when you are choosing to do your physics A-level, you have


someone with the background. We are wasting talents it seems. I do


agree with Mike on the importance of art, but we have to take into


account what the students are choosing. It will be very hard to


rebuild a course like this. Once it goes it is lost for ever. Now our


round-up of the political week in the south. We have a theme to do


with travel and holidays. Four in 60 seconds.


-- or in 60 seconds. Bournemouth has beaten Italy and Portugal to be


voted one of Europe's favourite beaches. MP to buyers Ellwood said


the trip it buys a survey of was a tremendous honour. If you're


thinking of jetting off abroad, Gatwick unions are worried about


how much time the flight crews are getting. It criticises European


have plans for 14 our duty periods. The current changes being proposed


do not follow the science or listening to what the pilots are


telling us. A force to stop work, people in Remploy factories. Maria


Miller explained the closures. These are difficult decisions. The


current system is not working for disabled people. West Sussex is


making it easier to work from home with 90 % of the county being


covered by super-fast broadband. And schools minister Nick Gibbs


saved himself a trip to Venezuela by checking out a South American


teaching system in Surrey. That music system is fantastic.


Everybody has got to do it. It is compulsory. You have heard about


this. I have seen the benefits in schools. I think giving people the


opportunity to hold an instrument, play an instrument, appreciate


music is one of the best tips they could ever received at school.


you can't do everything? The curriculum has to be whole. What


you can do is defined the subjects that are essential for ensuring you


have very good options for university but have these baits for


the art, drama, photography, for all the extras. It is very


important we allow that in the curriculum and the government


Andrew Neil and Peter Henley with the latest political news, interviews and debate, including work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith and chief secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander.

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