07/10/2012 Sunday Politics South

Think you might fancy becoming a global leader? In New Course can

Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2130 seconds

On today's show, do you fancy their adulation of the millions that

comes with world leadership? A new course at Oxford university could

be just the thing for you. Let's meet the two politicians that will

be with me for the next 20 minutes. This week we had this new idea that

people would be automatically opted into pensions. It means some people

will have less in their pocket than they might have done. Will it work?

It will make a big difference. Too few people are saving for their

retirement. We need to encourage people to save for the future.

enrolment, it sounds a bit like taking people for fools. -- Auto

enrolment. People are keen to spend money to day and think about saving

for a tomorrow. We need to protect people's income for retirement.

it means they won't be dependent on the state. Coming from a

libertarian Party, I don't quite agree with this bottle enrolment.

And of course, people have the opportunity to opt out. We do need

to think about the future and get younger generations to think about

the future. But do these people really have the money to save? They

are having no trouble getting to the end of the month. Or interfere

they're there are difficult for people. The other issue it is, on

where is this money going to be invested. With all a scandal that

we have had, many people have lost have of their pension, or their

entire pension. But is there a risk? Is there any danger in this?

It is not just the employee putting money in, at that the Government is

and the employer. It is a significant contribution. We need

to make sure people's investments are safe. But people are putting in

more money than the employer. It is more significant for the employees.

Some people have very good pensions, but we will not going to

politicians pensions not quite yet. In one month's time we will be

going to the polls to elect police and Crown Commissioners. There will

be one for the Thames Valley, Sussex, Surrey, Dorset and

Wiltshire. Do you know what a police and crime Commissioner has

to do? Looking for a new job? From

tomorrow applications are being accepted for a new, high-profile

role making key decisions about how the police operate in your area.

You will work closely with the chief constable. You will hold the

purse-strings, controlling budgets of up to �400 million. You will set

the police's strategic plan. You will make key spending decisions

loud whether police stations should stay open, of whether you should

team up with other forces, could you will hire and fire the chief

constable. It is your job to hold them and the whole police force to

account. The Prime Minister has described it as a big job for a big

local figure. You don't need to be a politician, or to stand for a

political party, but you do need an interest in crime and justice. You

need a 5,000 pound deposit and the ability to convince voters did

choose you. You will get paid up to �85,000 a year. Elections on

November 15th and the successful applicant will start work one week

later. It is a four week contract - - a four year contract. We have

been talking about this good idea for a directly accountable, and

elected person for quite a while. Why do you think we need that?

2003, the London think-tank policy exchange asked me to work with them

on what became the first report on police governance. At that time, as

usual, there seemed to be a general view that policing could only

improve if units of policing got bigger. The debate was always about

the amalgamation. But it was pretty much police orientated. Policy

exchange came to the conclusion that the title, who should run

Britain's police, was directing interest back to local policing and

making local police accountable. in some ways saving those small

forces. But if we do not get a big turnout in his vote, will they be

as accountable as you would like to see? Will they be the public's

person? It is early days, it looks as though the turnout will not be

as good as it might have been. I am concerned about the lack of

publicity surrounding the elections. Most people do not know what a

police and crime Commissioner would be doing. We felt one of the

driving forces was if one person is made directly accountable for

police governance its amplifies the issue and means most people will be

able to know, understand and appreciate it who has

responsibility for the police. we getting the names coming forward,

are we getting candidates who have those big personalities? Is that

what we want? I think you can have different skills depending on what

you expect from these people. In my constituency I hear a lot of

concerns of people about their safety. There has to be somebody

who is capable of taking up the concerns and passing them on to the

police force. I think there is a gap year. In our party we have a

number of candidates that have police experience and I think that

is good. Whitaker they are standing on his, Europe takes all our money,

isn't it? You're pretty much a single issue party. We have

developed an number of policies. We want to fight for the victims'

rights and not for a the criminals rights. Should this be a party

political thing? We have got some big figures standing. Alan Michael,

Michael Mates who ran the RUC in Northern Ireland, there are good

people coming through. It is inevitable when you have an

election that that political parties will get involved. But

people who do not come through a political background are encouraged

to get involved. But it is absolutely right to have someone as

a police commissioner who is able to listen to what people say and is

accountable to the public. An MP from Liberty's said police officer

should be accountable to the long. - ayes -- law. Politics does form a

large part of policing. I was of the view that police autonomy had

gone too far. We haven't you got a look at what happened in

Hillsborough to realise that we do need accountability. There is going

to be plenty of coverage of those elections on your local radio

stations and here on Sunday politics. If you want to find out

about the declared candidates, you can have a look at them all on the

BBC website. The party conference season is coming to a close with

only the Conservatives left. Before he hopped on the train that I spoke

to David Cameron. Rail fares in the south are up 6.2%

compared to 3% in Northern Ireland, 4% in Scotland. Are you happy with

public transport? I am not happy we have inherited a system that has

seen above-inflation increases year on the year. We need to run our

railways more officially and effectively. We're going to bear

down on those costs and do everything we can to help hard-

pressed commuters and travellers with those fares. We have these

franchise problems, at Thames Link on hold, have you got a close eye

on the high-speed rail to and whether that will work? I am

extremely angry about what has happened with the franchise issue.

Patrick McLoughlin was quite right to apologise. Clearly mistakes were

made in that department. We will have a proper review to get to the

bottom of it. I specifically asked the Secretary to look into this

issue but answers were not found. On High Speed Two, it is an

important infrastructure company -- project for the country. We need to

put that in place in Britain. Connecting London to Birmingham

with a fast train and taking that on up to the north of Scotland.

you encouraging businesses to create jobs where they can or are

you still trying to make the Midlands and North growing greatest

numbers? We're saying to businesses everywhere that we want to help you

expand. In the south-east, we have BMW in Cowley. That is fantastic.

The people they are taking all than the training they are giving. We

need to light the fires of enterprise and this Government is

fully behind enterprise, including in the south-east. There are still

so many people on housing waiting lists, what are you saying to them?

We are helping with the mortgage market, helping with housebuilders,

taking a lot of regulations away and saying to local councils we

will not impose targets, but if you go ahead and build houses you can

keep more of the council tax and see more revenue flow into your

area. Looking forward to the conference? I am looking forward to

it. I am off on the train this afternoon. It is a good opportunity

for parties to set out their stall and listen to members. We wanted to

talk about regional issues with the Prime Minister. We did not talk

about Europe. From UK its point of view, you'll want to force this on

to the agenda. Absolutely. There was a discussion about a pact

between us and the Tories. It has a lot to do with the position David

Cameron will take with reference to Europe. I am expecting some

announcement although they say it will be delayed. Today there was

speaking about the Budget. We voted it yesterday and they are asking

for almost a 7% increase. I think this is our greatest. The David

Cameron must have a say. -- out rages. He must tell these people

that the UK cannot continued to contribute. By have a petition to

reduce the contribution. worried are you of bout the

polling? It is a mixed picture. I worked on the Budget when I was in

the Treasury and tried to tackle that. You will see a change in what

is happening in Europe with the Euro Zone, discussions about

banking. This is an ideal opportunity for David Cameron to be

a lot harder with them about our terms of membership. Absolutely. If

he loses this opportunity we will be in for a lot of things we have

not voted for, for example the financial transaction tax which

will affect the City of London heavily. We have vetoed that.

haven't. Willows and the Treasury I dealt with this. We said no to

transaction tax. It is a demonstration of Britain standing

up to the European Union. You don't have the whole picture because they

have not exposed it. Whenever the UK does transactions with another

eurozone member state, the Euro Zone member state is going to

collect the financial tax transaction from you. The same

applies to the US, and Hong Kong. Can you train someone to become a

world leader. The brand new Blavatski School of Government is

aiming to train up a new generation. Oxford had had an extraordinary

record for producing international leaders. Many big international

figures spent years studying at this university. Now there is a

more formal options. The Blavatski School of Government, its mission

to train at the global leaders of the future. The school's first

intake of students have been selected from all over the world.

These potential presidents and prime ministers of the future are

learning about everything from global trade to how to form policy.

Who hear things one day they could lead a country? Not all of us will

be politicians, we can be bureaucrats, the policy makers.

have thought about it. More than wanting to be president, I want to

be part of a group of people are put South Africa on the map. If

that means I am going to be president one day, then sure.

who in their right mind would want to be a global leader these days

with economic meltdown on your plate, the velvet revolutions not

to mention all those other foreign leaders to deal with. Maybe a

course to prepare isn't a bad idea. If you are managing it crisis in

your own city, there are difficult decisions that need to be made. You

need to know which data you can trust, what you cannot trust and

what kind of moral basis you should take. The students also get to hear

from guest lecturers who can tell them a thing or two about how to

get ahead in the politics. there is a need for leaders. People

who have a strong sense of direction, his vision, but also

know how to organise themselves and people around them. You have got to

be very quick, very versatile and it tap dance your way through so

many different situations and different challenges, remembering

all the time and nobody owes you a living. Nobody is out there trying

to do you a favour, they are trying to make a life as difficult as

possible. That is as much as our cameras are allowed to see of this

session. Now we're out of the way, it gets down to the good stuff.

Students will have an off the record chat with Peter Mandelson.

Perhaps they will learn some of the darker arts of government. What

about global leaders at the moment, are they doing a good job? I think

with the eurozone crisis and the economic downturn, self-interest is

making a comeback. A lot of leaders are shirking their responsibilities.

Something that does bind everybody here together and politicians is

that they feel they want to make the world a better place. Is that

you believe? I was eight years old and I remember watching queues of

people voting. Even though I didn't understand what it was, I knew I

wanted to be part of it. I am sure a lot of leaders in the world

believe they want to change the world. As much as we will build our

idealism, it is also to crush that down and see what is possible to

achieve in this world. What is the X factor for being successful in

politics? I do not know, you'd better ask someone more successful

in politics than me. Say what you just said then. Was he a good

Commissioner? He was there for a short time, but I do not have high

regard for the commissioners. I do not think they have shown

leadership skills. Those youngsters were good. It is there a place for

idealism? Of course. You have got to be idealistic in politics

Could your child get free school meals? Portsmouth council said this

week more are getting them but many others are still missing out.

More school places will be needed in Winchester after planning

permission was given for 2000 new houses.

And neighbours of Hampshire County Council were complaining their road

was being closed to traffic without consultation. The cost is enormous,

so somebody higher up must be very interested in pursuing the close

sure. Political deals over a road cost Alan Whitehead his job. He

told the Labour conference when they oppose the road, the Greens

stood aside. And a new national Police Service

was launched in Surrey, fewer helicopters and fewer bases. But

they reckon it will work better. And national helicopter scheme

which no doubt looks good on paper. I hesitate to say this to two

accountants, but in practice don't people want control of the their

own things? It is about trying to use resources the best way and

squeeze out some of the inefficiencies. Talking about

police and crime commissioners earlier on, we want more money

spent on frontline policing so we have got to get the resources where

they are need it. I think this should stay in local power because

it is more efficient. They cannot be they're quite quickly if they

are assigned to a certain location. If you have a national pool, it is

very difficult logistically. I think it is more efficient to have

a helicopter for each police force. It is the story of Europe and the