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A good mood is changing her we decide the amount of money schools

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get, critics say will schools could Welcome to Sunday Politics South.

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My name is Peter Henley. On today's show, rural schools claim they

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could be losing out by tens of thousands of pounds under the

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government's new funding formula. That's coming up shortly. First

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though, let's meet the two politicians who are also with me

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for the next 20 minutes. Antonia Bance is a Labour councillor on

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Oxford City Council, and Keith House is the Liberal Democrat

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leader of Eastleigh Council. We got talking with Theresa May will run

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the programme, have you been campaigning in Oxford? Of course,

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we have been putting out leaflets and talking to voters. The party

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machine, famous and Oxford, swinging behind that in the Thames

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Valley. We are good at campaigning in Oxford and we showed that

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through the general election, but we like talking to the people we

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represent and a lot of people are saying they think this role was

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important and they have things they want it police and crime

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Commissioner to do to make them feel safer. I am sure that the

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Liberal Democrats are also campaigning! Across Hampshire and

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the Isle of Wight. The timing was purely set up for the Liberal

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Democrats so you did not have to talk about the justice issues in

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May. It is critical we separate out elections so people are clear what

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they are voting for. We do not want wheeze issues muddled up with

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General elections will European elections, we want a proper focus

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on a debate around police and crime. You are served up collections

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abroad, this is strange. The London mayoral preference system, it is

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not -- does it favour independence? If there was a desire to promote

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independence here, it probably would not work. Independents do not

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have resources to put into these elections that a larger pan -- that

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the larger parties do. We are campaigning through Hampshire, as

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you would expect. It is the big constituency! Are you fed up with

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the selection? Is it a go been quarried bad thing? We were not in

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favour of these positions in the first place and we are not sure it

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is a good idea to have it on a cold November night when people may not

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want to leave their homes. Will we have to say how we would like

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police forces to be won, so for Labour, we do not support cuts

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across the Thames Valley. We have to excite the electorate, this is

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real issues, not just crime, about police safety. And de won't turnout

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would mean people had less mandate. -- and it won't turn out. -- and a

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low turnout. The government is changing the way it decides how

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much funding local authorities get for their schools. They are going

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to give more weight to things like deprivation and English as a

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foreign language. But as Tristan Pascoe reports, rural schools in

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particular say that leaves them at an unfair disadvantage.

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For many small rural schools like this one in Dorset, there are fears

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the changes would have a significant impact. Under the new

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national funding formula, all schools, regardless of size, would

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be given the same minimum amount of cash to be topped up on factors

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like the number of pupils and levels of deprivation. I am

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expecting a reduction in budget. Not the same for all schools, but

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the new formula is more restrictive about how funding is allocated.

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Forest, a possible reduction of about �50,000 -- for us. That is

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more than the cost of a teacher. And to controls the purse-strings?

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The local authority has the discretion to allocate funds at the

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moment according to local needs. the moment, the money we get from

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the government, we delegate to schools according to a local

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formula which has a large number of factors, covering various things,

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particularly protection of small rural schools. But under the new

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formula, things like English as an additional language and ethnic

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minorities, which in Dorset, although we do have pupils with

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those needs, perhaps not to the same extent as elsewhere in the

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country. A large part of the Formula concentrates on that area

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which is not for Iraq improvement. Schools minister David Laws

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announced a hundred million pounds of funding for the summer schools

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sprog -- summer schools programme, affecting the most disadvantaged

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children, but campaigners say some of that money would be better spent

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addressing the inequalities of the new national funding formula.

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Schools worry about a last �1 so we regularly have people ringing up

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and talking to was about �5,000, �50,000 is a lot. We are pleased

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they are putting a lot of money into education, but what -- but it

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would be more useful for struggling authorities to receive that. It is

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that that rural areas do less well than a metropolitan areas. Wife

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should a child who is a deprived child endorse it received less

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funding than another deprived child in another authority? -- why should.

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One reason they lose out is because rural schools are small, so if the

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funding is based on numbers, they will lose out. They just want a

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level playing field. Because the simplifications are being put

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within local authority's existing spend, some of the inequalities are

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not being addressed. -- within the existing spanned of local

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authorities. The system is so complicated, but this is supposed

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to be a simplification. Keith House, is having these Christ -- is having

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these 10 criteria the right way to go? It is a simplification but it

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is still complicated. The experience of home she it is

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different and small schools are being protected. Is it is a lump

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sum. Her Hampshire have a large lump sum to protect the smaller

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schools -- Hampshire. It is a fiddle! It is about getting in

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local solution with national fairness and I think Hampshire it

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is working well to achieve that, but we will see over time. Has it

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working in Oxford? In the county as a whole, we are worried about this

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change to the formula. In my ward, at the school situation is very

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difficult. It is a city school on an estate, we have a lot of

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children with English as an additional language, we are seeing

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1.5% cuts adding up to one -- adding up to 7% over five years and

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we are worried about this. Now, nominations closed on Friday

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for the Police and Crime Commissioner elections. If you want

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to find out who is standing in your area, then take a look at the BBC

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website that is onscreen now. We have the four Dorset candidates

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here in the studio. Nick King is standing for the Conservatives,

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Rachel Rodgers for Labour, Andy Canning for the Liberal Democrats,

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and Martin Underhill is an independent candidate. Martin, I

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will ask all of you, but to react to what Theresa May was saying, it

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is possible to cut spending and improve performance. Martin, and

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you are a former police officer, is that true? He it is not, they have

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cut too much already, and wanted 12% and you cannot cut any more.

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Yes or no? It is possible because it is not just about policing, but

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also other measures to fight crime and if you get that right, you can

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reduce police budgets and make areas safer. HMI sees it will

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present was the maximum and that is the point the Labour Party would

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say also. -- HMIC. It will impact too much on the services we provide

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and I think it is another step towards privatisation. And Nick

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King said there would be no loss on the front line, is that true?

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does not need to be, there are plenty of innovative ways we can

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find to save money to put people back on the front line and make

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sure police officers are more visible, and work better with other

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authorities. You were on the police authority and Theresa May has made

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this cut, why did you not object? The because you could cut in plenty

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of ways and you can save money in plenty of places -- because. They

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have been good at doing that endorse it but there are plenty of

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other things they can do, Dorset police look in on themselves too

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much and can work better with local authorities. Christ Church have

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offered them places in their community centres and they have not

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taken them up on that. How do police officers feel about what is

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being said around these elections? The way the government is pushing

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the police to reform and improve and to change, are you going to

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stand against that? I embrace change and the police need to get

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that at community engagement, they are not good at that. Police

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officers are angry. So many changes are coming in at the same time, six

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or seven changes, the cuts to pensions, the winter review. My

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concern would be maintaining the morale of my force because they are

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facing so many issues. But you are not going to be the police -- the

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chief constable. But I know how the business works. Nick has said there

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were plenty of places you can save money and their ralph but they have

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done that already come up we have had cuts for five years and you

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cannot keep cutting. I went to 10 Downing Street to go to shoot

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against the funding and said I want more funding for rural police

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forces and they will continue to fight for that. Rural policing get

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less money because there was less crime and if you look at the

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statistics, you should be spending it in places like Bournemouth.

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what matters took all of us is to reduce the fear of crime -- to all

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of us. People in rural areas feel disadvantaged and I think they are

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right. Nothing has come back to replace the royal funding that has

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been taken away. He is it just about fear of crime or the evidence

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of where it is happening? I think it is about both. The cuts are

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taking neighbourhood officers away from areas where people live and

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the problem is that you lose confidence in those communities. If

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you have made a officers, that builds trust and people will tell

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them things and you never better intelligence. People are more

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confident to report crimes. If you suck out neighbourhood policing, if

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you lose that confidence and intelligence, and the ability to

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target the source, and sometimes you see crime statistics going down.

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That is reported crimes going down, not crimes. You a background is an

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economist, you are Mayor of Dorchester, Andy Canning. Is it all

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about money? Are some of the things which was talking about things that

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would have to be paid for by cutting other areas of police

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operation? That may be the case. We have to provide different

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priorities and work with local communities on workout Wapping need.

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There are policies that need to be applied across the county. -- and

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work out what they need. We have to stop young people going into crime

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in the first place. And we have to make the justice system more

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effective so there is less re- offending. But you are not

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responsible for the justice system as a PCC. A we have to work out

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what needs for the community -- we have to. Some are controlled by the

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new Commissioner and some are controlled by other bodies you have

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to work with and influence. Being directly responsible for crime for

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Dorset means you have an authority people will listen to. That is part

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of what you have to do and if your community is telling you what needs

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to be done, you have to fight for that. Whether that is funding for

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the justice system or any crime related issue, that is why we are

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there. You're experiences is in business, seven generations.

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quite! Had it not been for the Olympics, would you be suggesting

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more contracting out? A not a necessarily. None of us are turning

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up with manifestos saying what a party is telling us to do, it is

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what people endorse it want and what makes them feel safe, what is

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good on what is bad. Finding that and finding solutions it is the

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drop. So a good way of a solution might be Payment by results. Book

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will people endorse it be happy with that? -- but. Martin, first of.

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Mack he just said nobody is coming here with a manifesto, I have one

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because I have been consulting people for six months. These people

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do not have bet a manifesto and that is insulting to the public --

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do not have a manifestos. MoD in her as are being a candidate since

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February and we were selected by our parties in July -- Martin has

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been a candidate. Since that time, but Martin has had chance to speak

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to people, and I have seen twice the amount of people he has. A lot

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of people are pushing leaflets through the door! He her tat is six

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months start on has to do that himself and if he has not done that,

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that says something about his organisation -- he has had a six

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months' start. There was no point involving Westminster, it is a

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local issue. He has been a local car bomb at councillor for six

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years, it has not worked. -- he has been a local councillor. So for him

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to say he is not interested in privatisation, his background does

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not suggest that. There has been a difference between the HR function

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of Bournemouth council remained in partnership with the private sector

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and between people looking at the way police operate. There is a

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difference in how people would see that. It is possible the HR

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department of the police it would work better in conjunction with

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somebody else and those other things we need to look at to save

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money. What I think of this is that we are having 20% cuts to the

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police services and at the same time, the PCC does not just deal

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with police but with community safety. We are focusing very much

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on the police side of the PCC and not a crime and commissioning side.

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I think commissioning is the most important word here. The PCC will

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have a massive budget and the need to decide what they want to buy and

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who they will buy it from. That is what this is all about. I come from

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a very pro public service background and have worked and the

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Prison Service, I am a qualified teacher. I am saying at the same

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time, I can see there is plenty of opportunity for partnership working

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across those sectors. One of the big roles the PCC will do is to

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break down barriers between local authorities where services are

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prevented from expanding properly and serving for public by barriers

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people do not recognise in their daily lives which financial

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controls dictate. By it is all we have time for, but Frankie. -- that

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is. -- but thank you. Enjoyed the campaigning! Cash and Joyce.

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Now our regular round-up of the political week in the South in 60

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seconds. This week, it's all about kindness, generosity, the giving of

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gifts. Olympic sailing events for a gift -

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- what a gift for Weymouth, according to a council report, and

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more than half of visitors said they would return. A home was

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Shanta in Paul welcomed a generous Minister, a new philanthropy

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initiative. Be able like it and people want to feel proud about

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whether a work -- people. The under 17 Car Club were lobbying for

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better driving tests and said lives would be a test. This MP says the

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nuclear deterrent has saved lives on a global scale -- on a global

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scale. Won a of the key elements of the credibility of our deterrent is

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that it is continually at sea and the Royal Navy take immense pride.

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An offer from Russia was rejected here by the governments, they are

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giving Portsmouth hear the present of a new D-Day museums. All this

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generosity! Oxford University gets a lot of bequests, but I suppose

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they do not go to everybody. want a which people to donate and

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to pay their tax and to have a strong safety net -- we want a rich

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people. Most places do not have Oxford University. The one for p

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does not replace core funding that has to be funded fairly --

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philanthropy. Which people perhaps have to take their place in the big

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