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What did the Olympians do for us was to mark with Reprise hordes of


tourists to reprise the races they came flocking to one global telly


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my name's Peter Henley. On today's show: did the Olympics really send


hordes of tourists flocking to all the places showcased last year? Just


how much has Weymouth benefited from its Olympic legacy? Paul Harvey is a


Deputy Leader of the Labour Party on Basingstoke and Dean Borough Council


and we're joined by the Liberal Democrat MP for Eastleigh. Offered a


pay rise from 2015. Are you going to take it? Of course we will take the


pay rise. It is an independent body. But it is not appropriate. It is not


the right time to do it. People are getting 1% pay rises on very small


salaries of a couple of pounds a week, I can only do what I did with


my Borough Council allowance, anything over 1% I will pay to the


mayor's charities until things get back to normal and pay is decided in


the proper way. But, you have taken the decision. You have handed the


stern independent, and now you have decided to hand it over to charity.


Once it has been paid to me, it is my money to do with what I like. If


someone pays me a salary and I decide to give it to charity, that


is up to me. I am not sober warning the standards authority, I'm not


saying don't want MPs to make the decisions but I feel that it is


wrong for me to be better off by more than 1%, when people are


getting �3, �4 a week, as a pay rise. Either that or you change the


whole system again. You are one of the newest elected MPs, so we cannot


hold you responsible for this, but it is a mess, isn't it? This


independent body coming back with an 11% pay rise when so many people are


getting pay cuts. The think they knew that it would come back with a


pay rise? The relative is it has come back with an 11% pay rise, and


that is wrong. MPs get a good salary anyway compared to many people and


why should they get 11% over and above what other people are


getting, pay cuts, 1%, 2%, at the very most. It undermines confidence


and politicians to do the job they want them to do. I can understand


what Mike has done and good for him to doing it, but the question is,


should the independent body have come back with 11% in the first


place? "It's in the national interest" - how often do we hear


those buzzwords these days? But is the fact that something's a national


priority enough to make it the trump card that beats everything else?


This land is your land... There are plenty of schemes that the


Government says are in the national interest, that locals say are not in


their interest. Whether it's HS2 cutting a swathe through


Buckinghamshire and Oxfordshire to allegedly boost the economy by


speeding journey times to the north, the possibility of fracking to


extract shale gas around Balcombe in Sussex and maybe bring down the


price of gas and help keep the lights on, or the rush towards


renewable energy with what would be the country's largest offshore wind


farm at Navitus Bay in Dorset. And the history of these sorts of


schemes doesn't suggest that local David often wins against government


Goliath. The Newbury Bypass and the M3 extension through Twyford down


both had vocal opponents but they got built anyway. Joining me now


from our London studio is Tom Brenan from the Environmental Law


Foundation. Is it the case, as is suggested by the Government in


wanting these changes that local protest groups were holding things


up and always getting their way? That is probably questionable. The


evidence put forward in consultations did not act out what


they were saying, but at the same time, the Government are making


various moves towards saying that they are improving... Snails on the


Newbury bypass, archaeological digs, things that stop developments, that


were sneered at. Local campaign groups do have powers, are you


saying, or have they been taken away? There are a number of


different systems in operation depending on the project. HS2 will


go through under one system. There are national infrastructure projects


which is a new system and there was the bigger planning projects which


go under another system so one of the challenges for communities is to


find out which process is the one that applies, and then to find out


the methods and the ways in which they can participate in that


process. Looking at things like the Newbury bypass and Twyford down,


those things happened anyway, and some would say, why bother


protesting? It depends what sort of longer term view you can take on it.


With regard to Twyford down and Newbury bypass, that led to the


Government shelving its road-building programme for a number


of years. And the point is, it is more about the quality of the


decision-making process and the fact that people have a democratic right


to participate and should exercise those rights. I was looking at the


now that this babe proposals. They reckon it is going to be four


years, not 15 months, because of the consultation that they are being


asked to do. Is that good quality consultation, or is it time wasting?


The length of time is not necessarily significant at what is


important is the quality of consultation. Communities do not


like being told just what is going to happen, and that it is just a box


ticking exercise. That increasingly seems to be the direction of travel,


to a certain extent. So it is just form filling. From the other point


of view, how can the larger organisations make genuine


consultations? With regard to the infrastructure projects, the wind


farm who have mentioned is one of those, there is much more emphasis


on pre-application consultation, so they are trying to get more


involvement and the developer has an obligation to consult and has to


present the results of that as part of his application. So, is it worth


protesting, or, should we be pushing things through more quickly? I think


these are both true. Thomas Wright, if you need to protest in a


democracy, there will be some point when you do not succeed in that


particular instance that will have a knock-on effect and make politicians


think more seriously about the next project. That is what happened at


Newbury, as Tom said. But, what worries people is when the


consultation process goes on too long, it puts people and a sort of


never-never world, is it going through my back garden or isn't it?


Should I try and look for an alternative to wear I am going to


work and move to that part of the country? That completely can freeze


up all areas where decisions take too long to make. It does not mean


you should destroy the consultation but there must be a more efficient


way to consult with people, I would have thought. What about the idea


that the community should get some benefit, which is happening possibly


with fracking, 1% of the profits? Some developments play an important


role in delivering that. The current government line is a presumption in


favour of development, and you would lose those benefits in the rush to


get the development. Do people know what is going on locally, and have


they been told why the big government agencies, by the energy


companies, do they know what is going on? And do they get the chance


to influence the decision? You can have consultation but unless you can


influence the decision that has been taking it becomes very difficult.


Probably campaigning on a single issue and even if it does work for


the future, you do not care so much about that. This 1% for the


community from fracking, some people would say that that is just like


money and it will make people fight harder against it. -- that is just


blood money. Fracking is clearly very controversial and topical at


the moment. What we are seeing now is evidence of where communities in


the US have effectively developed their own community Ordinance, did


prevent fracking in their community, and in fact in Scotland, in


Falkirk, acumen at the council has introduced a community charter along


the same lines, so there are methods that communities are exploring, in


addition to those consultation processes. The fightback starts


here. Thank you for joining us, Tom. This time last year the Olympic


Torch was wending its way through the region - one of the things we


were promised then was that all the hoopla and more importantly the


international coverage would showcase the glorious tourist


opportunities of the places it went through and bring foreign travellers


here in droves. But as Paul Greer now reports from the Olympic sailing


venue of Weymouth, which got showcased a lot more than most, the


legacy might not be quite what was hoped for. Look, we all know what


the Romans gave us. Good roads, good government, underfloor heating, and


even tasty dormice. But what did the Olympians ever give Weymouth?


Weymouth got a relief road, sailing legacies of the Olympics or things


that Weymouth was long overdue to get anyway? Andy Matthews has spent


years working with community groups in Portland. He is not fond of the


word, legacy. It is an easy way to use, but at the heart of it they did


not involve the community in what the community wanted to see as a


legacy. The road was on the cards, with the Olympics coming they could


have made it that bit quicker in terms of securing it, and Portland


Harbour is a fantastic place for sailing. The Olympics coming there


might have stood the process, but that would inevitably, something


would have happened anyway. Andy is not alone in thinking that staging


the Olympics last year has done little to lift the profile or the


fortunes of Weymouth. It is the weather that has brought people in.


It is not the legacy of the Olympics. It did not bring anything


in. It is literally because of the weather. That is what has brought


people down. It might have been built four years ago but many would


insist that the National sailing Academy are still the love child of


last year's Olympics. The sailing Academy was here before the


Olympics, but our facilities have been enhanced by the games. We have


got lots of youngsters on the water doing sailing and stand-up handle


boarding and all sorts of activities. We have got a fantastic


legacy. One year on from all of the fuss, security and hullabaloo, the


sun is out, the beaches are crowded and the traffic is flowing. What do


the politicians think? In the 60s people said what we need is a relief


road. That is a legacy, isn't it? Of course it is. You have got dark and


right, and buses into town, and lots of evidence on the seafront, lots of


money going in here there and everywhere, and I think it is a


tremendous legacy, actually. academies, roads and towers are in


the bag, but those who know a thing or two about the holiday season


believe that we still have to wait to see if there are benefits to


claim. If the sun is shining in Weymouth, the people will come. It


is all about that sunshine. They come here for our lovely seaside


town. Joining us now is Mark Smith who's the director of tourism in


Bournemouth. What is most important? The flaming Olympic torch, or the


flaming golden ball in the sky? We want to see both. That is my take on


it. But, however, how long do we have to wait to see the full


benefits of the Olympics? For people coming from abroad, the reputation


takes time to sink in. Locally we can see improvements because of the


new roads, the Academy, things that have happened on the ground, but the


impact from overseas visitors is already happen thing. -- happening.


We have one of the guest centres for International education outside of


London, and we have seen student numbers grow by 5% over the past


year, which is important, because that business is worth �200 million


a year to this conurbation, and that growth is larger because of the


heightened profile and the extended interest in Britain, and we got


showcased last year in a way that we could never have imagined,


worldwide, and the impact was tremendous. Britain now has a


slightly different image in the world? And Basingstoke we have seen


sporting activity decreased. We have not seen a boost because of the


Olympics. We have seen it the crease. The issue is the fees and


charges that people are asked to pay to access sports facilities. It is a


big issue. We can talk about legacy, but access, and having the


community feel part of having something to do with the Olympic


legacy, these are important areas. You would agree, Mike, initially it


shot up. Jess, sports clubs have had 168% of their membership target.


Park sport, not directly to do with the Olympics, it started to get


children involved in the school holidays, but since the Olympics,


the number of children attending has shot up. We have had free swimming,


9000 children applied for it. I am a tennis player, and I find it


difficult to book a tennis court. That is before Wimbledon. What about


on the tourist side? Is your boat with the sun with the Olympics that


have been bringing people to the region? I think the sun helps but


people do not come to England from abroad expecting the sun to shine.


They are not going to book a holiday last November in America because


they expect the sun to shine in England. Locally, people might go


down to Bournemouth, and Weymouth, and very lucky they are to be able


to go there, it is a beautiful part of the world, locally, because of


the sunshine, last minute, but you're not going to book a holiday


from Japan or Germany or China because of that. We have so many


positive attractions in all that area that you bring people to bring


and visit numerous places. But these were the London Olympics. When


people head for London? People will always head for the capital but


there are other people who want to go out and explore other things.


What changed with the Olympics was not just the facilities and the


harder side of the capital investment, last year, we saw for


the first time this idea that Britain is not just all about stiff


upper lip. The idea of the games makers was tremendous and started to


show a different side of Wigan, which is valuable for stop that


makes people think, you can go and see the heritage but you can go and


be looked after well and have fun. That has made a big difference.


you look at Southampton court, they expect 48 cruise ships. They spend


�2.5 million per cruise. And every year, that is going up. The


coordination with Southampton airport is vital. It is now has a


welcoming system for cruise passengers. It says that you have


got to wait six hours for your flight home, and arrange for them to


go to Winchester, which is outside my constituency, but it is


fantastic. Coming back to the big society idea. We are all smiling


because of the Olympics, still, even though some facilities are


suffering. There was the quality of tourism we have on offer, you go


back to the opening ceremony, the reaction to it, it was brilliant and


amazing, something we can all be proud of. The legacy of that has so


many different parts to it. Unless you see local authorities taking


advantage of that, and doing the best they can for their communities,


then the legacy will fade away quicker. There was a lot of interest


in the Olympics and sport, 2.5 times the number of people interested in


doing sporting activities and it is a case of making it available to


them. Now, our regular round-up of the political week in the South in


training could be improved in Oxfordshire. The county is one of a


few not to fully adopt the bikeability scheme. Oxford City


Council is considering offering loans of up to �75,000 to new


applicants for head teacher jobs. 4000 new homes are planned in


Aldershot on the site of the old Cambridge military hospital. Many of


the historic buildings will be preserved. Police officers from five


forces in the South are off to Northern Ireland for the marching


season. That is despite fears from the police Federation that it could


leave a hole back home. We -- who is going to conduct the normal policing


on our streets and fill the gaps left behind? The competition


commission is put on merger of Bournemouth and Poole Hospital is on


hold, amid fears that patients will have less choice about where to go


for major operations. I wonder if choice is what we are looking for.


The GP gives you the choice of different places and you think, I


don't know. And the Cambridge military, people really respected


that. It was an excellent hospital with excellent provision and


excellence and quality is what it means to be about. This idea of


choice in the NHS is dangerous. You want to know there is going to be


called it. -- quality. The Conservative government, in


privatising so much of the NHS, allowing hospitals to deliver half


of all their care privately, that door was opened by Discover, so


we're going to some dramatic changes and cuts. In Hampshire, we are


seeing �100 million of cuts in the social care budget, which is going


to mean a big change for the quality of care that people face. Choice in


that way is destructive. People want efficiency and to make sure that


money is well spent. I don't think you can make a party political point


of this at all. The most important thing is, people want health care


free at the point of delivery, and, if you're going to have private


health care looking after you, you want to know that they have been


chosen for the quality of their work, not the price. This is


something that the Lib Dem 's insisted was put in. The


Conservatives were not going to do that. I knew that if we started


talking about the NHS we would be here a little while, but it is


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