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Morning, everyone, and welcome
to the Sunday Politics. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
I'm Sarah Smith. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:39 | |
And this is the programme that
will provide your essential briefing | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
on everything that's moving
and shaking in the | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
world of politics. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
Theresa May's big Brexit speech
appears to have done the impossible | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
and united both sides
of her party for the time being | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
but is the devil in the detail? | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
We'll get the verdicts of former
Tory leader and Brexit supporter | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
Lord Howard and leading backbencher
and Remain campaigner Nicky Morgan, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
and ask if they can
really both be happy. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
Away from Brexit, the Government yet
again promises to take on the Nimbys | 0:01:06 | 0:01:12 | |
and build more houses
where we need them most. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
Later in the programme: | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
Carwyn Jones on his visit
to North America and questions | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
about his leadership,
and would this programme | 0:01:19 | 0:01:20 | |
and others be any different
if broadcasting was devolved? | 0:01:20 | 0:01:26 | |
All that coming up in the programme. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
And with me today, I've got three
hardy souls who've struggled | 0:01:36 | 0:01:41 | |
through the harsh conditions
to help me to make sense of all | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
the big stories - Isabel Oakeshott,
Steve Richards and Anushka Asthana. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
Well, it was as week where politics
was often given second billing | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
to the weather, with people up
and down the country battling | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
the Beast from the East. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
But snow or not, Theresa May had her
crucial Brexit speech to give, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
and she had a few big beasts herself
to contend with. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:02 | |
Forget the weather, the UK faced
a Brexit blizzard this week. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
On Monday, Jeremy Corbyn offered up
a clear dividing line between Labour | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
and the Conservatives.
in a customs union with the EU. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:20 | |
Labour would seek to negotiate
a new, comprehensive UK EU customs | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
union to ensure there are no
tariffs with Europe. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
On Tuesday, international
trade secretary Liam Fox | 0:02:28 | 0:02:29 | |
immediately hit back. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:30 | |
It would be a complete sell-out
of Britain's national interest | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
and a betrayal of the voters
in the referendum. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
But his speech was overshadowed
by a warning shot from the former | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
boss of his own department -
Sir Martin Donnelly said leaving | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
the single market and the customs
union would risk the UK | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
going from feast to famine. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:49 | |
It's like giving up a three course
meal for a packet of crisps. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
Also on Tuesday, Foreign Secretary
Boris Johnson took to the radio | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
waves to try to ease tensions
on Northern Ireland after Brexit. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
He wasn't entirely persuasive. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
There's no border between
Camden and Westminster. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
You can't compare two boroughs
of London with the kind | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
of difference in the arrangements
that would be in place after Brexit | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
between the UK and the EU. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:13 | |
I think it's a very | 0:03:13 | 0:03:18 | |
On Wednesday, former
Prime Minister Sir John Major said | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
MPs should be given a free vote
on the final Brexit deal. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
So let Parliament decide or put
the issue back to the people. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:30 | |
And the EU Commission published
the first legal draft | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
of the UK's exit treaty. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:38 | |
The proposals were controversial. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
in the customs union
if all else fails. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
Theresa May was having none of it. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
No UK Prime Minister
could ever agree to it. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
On Thursday, diplomatic niceties
with the European Council | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
President Donald Tusk,
as he got a preview of the Prime | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
Minister's big Brexit speech. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
But the real test would come later,
when she would need a lot | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
of grit to keep all members
of her own party onside. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:12 | |
The big day arrived,
and with it some hard truths. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
We are leaving the single market. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:15 | |
We are leaving the single market. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
In certain ways, our access to each
other's markets will be | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
less than it is now.
left the jurisdiction | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
of the European Court of Justice,
EU law and the decisions of the ECJ | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
will continue to affect us. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:31 | |
This was also a pitch
for a pick and mix Brexit. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
She said all EU trade deals
are tailor-made and what Britain | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
wants is no different. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
If this is cherry picking,
then every trade arrangement | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
is cherry picking. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
He was happy, and so was he. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
Despite being stranded
and left out in the cold. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:53 | |
So, has the Prime Minister managed | 0:04:53 | 0:04:54 | |
between her Cabinet on Brexit? | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
between her Cabinet on Brexit? | 0:04:56 | 0:05:02 | |
There is more than enough to chew
over with our expert panel who will | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
tell us what's been going on behind
tell us what's been going on behind | 0:05:07 | 0:05:13 | |
the scenes this week. Anushka, we
asked the question, has she | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
the scenes this week. Anushka, we
the impossible and | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
the scenes this week. Anushka, we
factions of the Conservative Party | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
over Brexit? It looks that way, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
factions of the Conservative Party
it stay that way? It is impressive | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
politically that your guests will
both have some praise for the | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
politically that your guests will
but it doesn't mean | 0:05:31 | 0:05:32 | |
politically that your guests will
each other when it comes to Brexit. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
politically that your guests will
I'm sure there's a lot they continue | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
politically that your guests will
to disagree about. She managed to do | 0:05:39 | 0:05:39 | |
politically that your guests will
that by doubling down on the red | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
lines she already had but saying | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
that by doubling down on the red
beyond that we will try to | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
that by doubling down on the red
close as we can to the EU. I don't | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
think the Brexiteers are totally
think the Brexiteers are totally | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
happy, they see this as a staging
post and happy that what she said | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
future parliaments can change it.
She has done a magic trick now but | 0:05:55 | 0:06:01 | |
future parliaments can change it.
trouble ahead still. Isabel, a lot | 0:06:01 | 0:06:02 | |
of it was how in the | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
trouble ahead still. Isabel, a lot
future we will stay tangibly similar | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
to EU rules and regulations, that | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
future we will stay tangibly similar
won't hold with the | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
future we will stay tangibly similar
will it? Only an idiot would predict | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
future we will stay tangibly similar
peace and harmony within the Tory | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
party for more than a few days. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:23 | |
party for more than a few days. I
think they recognise the immense | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
party for more than a few days. I
discipline the Prime Minister | 0:06:29 | 0:06:30 | |
injected into the speech, in some
ways that means bits of it don't | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
please everybody. There was | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
ways that means bits of it don't
frustration at the way she handled | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
some of the questions afterwards. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
frustration at the way she handled
Some would have liked her, for | 0:06:42 | 0:06:43 | |
frustration at the way she handled
example Nigel Farage, outside of the | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
party of course, would have | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
example Nigel Farage, outside of the
her to be more explicit that no deal | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
remains an | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
her to be more explicit that no deal
hand, had she said that, that is | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
provocative. I think | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
hand, had she said that, that is
she struck a balance and a great | 0:06:58 | 0:06:59 | |
feeling of positivity this weekend,
maybe not next. Steve, did it tell | 0:06:59 | 0:07:06 | |
us a huge amount about what Brexit | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
maybe not next. Steve, did it tell
deal might look like? Or is Theresa | 0:07:10 | 0:07:11 | |
maybe not next. Steve, did it tell
May sitting on the fence about what | 0:07:11 | 0:07:12 | |
May sitting on the fence about what
the future deal will be? I don't | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
think she is sitting on the fence.
think she is sitting on the fence. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
She gave a clear idea of what she
envisages it to be. Watching it, and | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
reading it several times, I have
reached the conclusion that she is | 0:07:23 | 0:07:29 | |
reading it several times, I have
the only person that can lead this | 0:07:29 | 0:07:30 | |
party. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:36 | |
You have Michael Howard on in a
minute, you knows how difficult | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
You have Michael Howard on in a
is to do. She can do it and I think | 0:07:46 | 0:07:46 | |
they would be | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
is to do. She can do it and I think
her. However, having read the | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
is to do. She can do it and I think
bombs metaphorically | 0:07:50 | 0:07:50 | |
is to do. She can do it and I think
the budgets that go down well on the | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
day and then turn out to have hidden
bombs, I think this one does. In | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
day and then turn out to have hidden
admission we are giving up things, | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
we won't have the same market
access, in saying we have given up | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
passporting | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
access, in saying we have given up
services already. She did it to show | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
access, in saying we have given up
we weren't having our cake and | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
access, in saying we have given up
eating it, she was honest, but it is | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
depressing to have that candour | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
eating it, she was honest, but it is
explained so clearly. And in | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
explaining we will be fully aligned
with the EU in many ways but have | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
the right to diverged even if it is
against our interest. And the all of | 0:08:22 | 0:08:28 | |
the right to diverged even if it is
this, to have the right to | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
the right to diverged even if it is
at a future date seems fraught with | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
the right to diverged even if it is
difficulty. I see problems down | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
road. Steve's point about only this
Prime Minister can lead the party is | 0:08:35 | 0:08:42 | |
a very astute one and that's what
a very astute one and that's what | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
I'm picking up this weekend, even
from those who have been her | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
I'm picking up this weekend, even
harshest critics, at her ability not | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
to say too much which makes her seem
to say too much which makes her seem | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
rather boring at times is precisely
the reason she can manage these | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
delicate factions. I definitely feel
time has run out now for those who | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
would like to have seen her gone
well before Brexit next year. I feel | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
would like to have seen her gone
that has evaporated milk. We might | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
be in a different place in a few
months but I would suspect not. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
Anushka bitchy answer the question
about the border between the | 0:09:14 | 0:09:20 | |
Republic and Northern Ireland? Simon
Coveney said he's not sure the | 0:09:20 | 0:09:28 | |
Republic and Northern Ireland? Simon
can support | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
Republic and Northern Ireland? Simon
with. Both sides can smile and say | 0:09:30 | 0:09:31 | |
they don't want a border, the
question is how you achieve that. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
they don't want a border, the
The Government have put forward | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
these options, a customs partnership | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
The Government have put forward
which is a slightly weird system | 0:09:41 | 0:09:42 | |
The Government have put forward
under which there would be checks on | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
the UK border that would then be | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
under which there would be checks on
acceptable for the rest of the | 0:09:47 | 0:09:48 | |
under which there would be checks on
The problem is the rest of the EU | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
have suggested that won't be
acceptable to them, and even very | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
senior figures in Government around | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
acceptable to them, and even very
the Cabinet table have told me they | 0:09:57 | 0:09:58 | |
acceptable to them, and even very
think it is a completely unrealistic | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
option. The second option is to use
technology to make it flow freely, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
perhaps not quite as Boris Johnson
was suggesting, it happens in the | 0:10:06 | 0:10:15 | |
perhaps not quite as Boris Johnson
congestion charge in London. He was | 0:10:15 | 0:10:15 | |
slightly mocked for those | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
but can there be a way to make it
softer in that way? | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
but can there be a way to make it
can but there is no evidence | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
but can there be a way to make it
would end up with no border. Then | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
would end up with no border. Then
there's that tricky situation of the | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
EU saying the backstop is Northern
Ireland stays in the customs union, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
and the Prime Minister says that is
unacceptable. Thank you for that, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:36 | |
stay with | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
Theresa May was on the
Andrew Marr Show this | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
morning, and she was asked how
the UK's rules and regulations | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
might move away from
the EU's in the future. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
Parliament will be able to take
decisions about the rules that | 0:10:45 | 0:10:51 | |
are set, so in the circumstances
in which the EU | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
change a particular rule,
there'd be a decision | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
for us to take. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:02 | |
Did we accept it
in the future or not? | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
But if we didn't accept it,
there'd be an arbitration mechanism, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
an independent arbitration
mechanism, so people | 0:11:07 | 0:11:08 | |
would look at it and say,
actually, you know what, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
if the UK doesn't accept that,
does it make any difference | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
to the trading relationship?
so there's no consequence. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
They might say yes, it does,
and so there would be a consequence. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
So you're saying we might
lose market access - | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
the more we diverge,
the more market access | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
we might lose in the future. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
There'd be a decision to be taken. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:27 | |
Joining me now from
Loughborough is the former | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
Education Secretary Nicky Morgan,
who put her name down on a Commons | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
amendment that calls for the UK
to participate in a customs union | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
with the EU after Brexit. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
Good morning. So you heard | 0:11:37 | 0:11:43 | |
Good morning. So you heard the Prime
Minister ruling out a customs | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
Good morning. So you heard the Prime
which is what you say you want, and | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
Good morning. So you heard the Prime
they will be less access to EU | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
markets in future, you cannot be
very happy with this speech, can | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
you? I thought it was a very | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
very happy with this speech, can
realistic speech that set out the | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
compromises and hard facts we have
to face, and I think it was a | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
to face, and I think it was a
welcome dose of realism. That's why | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
to face, and I think it was a
I think it has been welcomed | 0:12:06 | 0:12:07 | |
to face, and I think it was a
people on all sides of the debate | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
people on all sides of the debate
because we can get | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
people on all sides of the debate
pretending things will stay the | 0:12:11 | 0:12:12 | |
same, that we can have the same
benefits, and be | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
same, that we can have the same
ourselves and our constituents about | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
what that means. The reason MPs put
down amendments is to get ministers | 0:12:18 | 0:12:27 | |
to explain their position is more
fully and that's what we began to | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
see in the Prime Minister's speech
on this issue of the border between | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
Northern Ireland, the | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
on this issue of the border between
Ireland on Friday. The Prime | 0:12:39 | 0:12:39 | |
Ireland on Friday. The Prime
Minister could not have been more | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
clear this morning and last week
that she does not want to see a hard | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
border between them, and that's | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
that she does not want to see a hard
where we are as well. I think there | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
are more discussions to come about
the two options, as Anushka was | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
are more discussions to come about
setting out, that the Prime Minister | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
outlined, and we will have to see
outlined, and we will have to see | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
what happens when the bill comes
back to the | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
what happens when the bill comes
amendment wasn't just about Northern | 0:13:04 | 0:13:04 | |
Ireland, it said you want the UK to
stay in the customs union with the | 0:13:04 | 0:13:09 | |
EU. Now you say you want to talk to | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
stay in the customs union with the
the Prime Minister about this. Talk | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
about what? We are either in the
customs union or knots and her | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
speech made it clear she didn't want
a customs union. I can speak for | 0:13:19 | 0:13:25 | |
myself and my colleagues, many of
myself and my colleagues, many of | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
whom put their name down, it was
about the Irish border issue because | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
many of us got to the stage of
thinking how can this be resolved | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
without being in a customs union. I
think many of us don't care what | 0:13:35 | 0:13:41 | |
without being in a customs union. I
is called, it's a question of what | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
without being in a customs union. I
it does. Does it avoid a hard border | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
and small traders having to make
declarations each time they crossed | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
and small traders having to make
the border? I was a Treasury duties | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
and small traders having to make
minister, I visited the Irish border | 0:13:55 | 0:13:56 | |
and it is 300 miles of incredibly
porous countryside basically. People | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
are crossing it everyday for work,
for trading, and it's not just about | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
the economics, it's about the
cultural and political significance | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
of not a hard border. The Irish
government and Irish Foreign | 0:14:10 | 0:14:18 | |
government and Irish Foreign
Minister Simon Coveney were | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
government and Irish Foreign
this morning he didn't think EU | 0:14:20 | 0:14:21 | |
would accept this. Theresa May said
a long she doesn't want a hard | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
border, just saying that doesn't
mean it won't happen and the EU | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
don't seem satisfied with what she | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
mean it won't happen and the EU
laid out as a possible solution. The | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
mean it won't happen and the EU
first point is, as I said in a tweet | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
on Friday, the EU cannot say and
Simon Coveney recognise that this | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
morning, the EU cannot say it
doesn't know what the UK Government | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
wants. Simon Coveney also agreed, as
the Prime Minister rightly set out, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:53 | |
wants. Simon Coveney also agreed, as
this is a problem that has been | 0:14:53 | 0:14:54 | |
created by Brexit and it's up to the
UK Government, the EU and Irish | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
government to work together to find
a solution. I think it | 0:14:57 | 0:15:02 | |
government to work together to find
talks will continue in one of those | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
areas where it is best for the Irish
areas where it is best for the Irish | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
government and UK Government to be
talking directly because at | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
government and UK Government to be
moment what's been remarkable is how | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
cohesive the 27 have been in
cohesive the 27 have been | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
negotiating through the commission
but there may be ways to speed up | 0:15:15 | 0:15:22 | |
discussions, particularly on the
Irish border issue. What we | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
discussions, particularly on the
Friday is the Prime Minister saying | 0:15:25 | 0:15:26 | |
there's difficult things ahead. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:27 | |
Friday is the Prime Minister saying
People won't remember ultimately the | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
negotiations, they will remember the
enduring deal that's struck, that | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
puts livelihoods and economic | 0:15:33 | 0:15:39 | |
One of the hard | 0:15:39 | 0:15:40 | |
One of the hard | 0:15:40 | 0:15:41 | |
One of the hard
laid out is we will have less access | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
laid out is we will have less access
to EU markets. That is | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
things that you as a Remainer have
been worried about. Maybe she is | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
being pragmatic and you're welcome
being pragmatic and you're welcome | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
that, but is that pragmatism not | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
being pragmatic and you're welcome
admitting were going to be worse off | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
being pragmatic and you're welcome
in future as a result of this? I | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
think it probably is. Actually,
while the speech was well come in | 0:15:58 | 0:16:03 | |
while the speech was well come in
its towns, it did set out some of | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
these hard truths. Some people have
said, nothing will change, it will | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
have exactly the same benefits but | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
said, nothing will change, it will
that is not the case. I am | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
said, nothing will change, it will
the Treasury Select Committee, we | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
said, nothing will change, it will
look at financial services. That | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
look at financial services. That
industry understands that things are | 0:16:19 | 0:16:20 | |
industry understands that things are
going to change. The Prime Minister | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
was clear, no more passporting. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
going to change. The Prime Minister
People have reconciled themselves to | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
this in the city. What next? The
Prime Minister is talking about | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
this in the city. What next? The
mutual recognition of | 0:16:33 | 0:16:33 | |
this in the city. What next? The
that is the way to go, that is | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
this in the city. What next? The
achievable, but this is the start of | 0:16:38 | 0:16:39 | |
negotiations and it is a long way to | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
achievable, but this is the start of
go. At least we are now on the | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
starting blocks. Your right to say
that many of us have been concerned | 0:16:43 | 0:16:50 | |
about the prosperity and livelihoods
of people in our constituencies and | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
our businesses. We welcome this
speech but we will continue to watch | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
out for any drifting backwards
towards some kind of idea logically | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
out for any drifting backwards
driven hard Brexit. That does not | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
benefit anybody. As the Prime | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
driven hard Brexit. That does not
Minister said on Friday, reverting | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
to WTO is not a good outcome that
will benefit people in this country. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:15 | |
The Prime Minister made clear that
The Prime Minister made clear that | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
the UK after Brexit can choose | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
The Prime Minister made clear that
stay aligned with the rules and | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
regulations of the EU or future
regulations of the EU or future | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
parliaments to choose to diverged.
In those circumstances you will be | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
fighting every step of | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
In those circumstances you will be
try to stay aligned with the EU, I | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
take it? Not necessarily. That was a
really well come statement from the | 0:17:30 | 0:17:36 | |
Prime Minister. It is for the
sovereign parliament to be making | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
these decisions in future, which is
why we had the debate | 0:17:39 | 0:17:45 | |
these decisions in future, which is
amendment in December because | 0:17:45 | 0:17:45 | |
ultimately it should be sovereign | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
amendment in December because
Parliament that makes these key | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
decisions in the future. In terms of
divergences regulation, there may | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
well be good arguments in the future
by businesses and industry say, we | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
do not need to be aligned with that | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
by businesses and industry say, we
regulation, because there is a | 0:18:01 | 0:18:02 | |
by businesses and industry say, we
higher international standard that | 0:18:02 | 0:18:03 | |
higher international standard that
we can all get around and following | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
that will benefit our businesses.
The point is, at the moment, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
Parliament will take decisions about
things on the basis of listening to | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
constituents, and that is what will
happen in the future. That is | 0:18:14 | 0:18:19 | |
welcome. Financial services, that is | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
happen in the future. That is
the message we're getting by, there | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
are some international standards, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
the message we're getting by, there
which is what business already | 0:18:26 | 0:18:27 | |
comply with, higher standards than
the EU, and that is what businesses | 0:18:27 | 0:18:33 | |
want to on complying with. Nicky | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
the EU, and that is what businesses
Morgan, thank you | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
Listening to that is the former
Conservative leader Lord Howard, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
who campaigned for Britain
to leave the EU. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
You were nodding away | 0:18:41 | 0:18:42 | |
You were nodding away | 0:18:42 | 0:18:43 | |
You were nodding away
with | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
You were nodding away
through that interview. Not | 0:18:45 | 0:18:46 | |
something we thought we were going | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
through that interview. Not
to see happen in the studio. You | 0:18:49 | 0:18:50 | |
agree with her? I agree with very
much of what she said and I am | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
agree with her? I agree with very
delighted to be able | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
agree with her? I agree with very
her. Can I just say this about the | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
speech on Friday, I thought | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
her. Can I just say this about the
should the Prime Minister at her | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
best, cam, patient, disciplined. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
should the Prime Minister at her
That is exactly the kind of approach | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
should the Prime Minister at her
we need in these negotiations. I | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
should the Prime Minister at her
think Steve Richards was right when | 0:19:12 | 0:19:13 | |
think Steve Richards was right when
he said she is the only person who | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
can lead the country through these
negotiations, and she showed her | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
negotiations, and she showed her
qualities on Friday, and I think it | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
qualities on Friday, and I think it
was an excellent speech, and it | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
qualities on Friday, and I think it
something, of course it is a good | 0:19:27 | 0:19:28 | |
thing from my point of view that it
seems to have united the | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
Conservative Party, but more
importantly, I think it has united | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
the country. I think everyone in the
country, except perhaps those few | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
people are neither extreme, can
rally round. People like John Major | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
and Tony Blair? I fear that on this | 0:19:45 | 0:19:51 | |
rally round. People like John Major
issue John Major and Tony Blair are | 0:19:51 | 0:19:52 | |
to make love the | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
issue John Major and Tony Blair are
never been able to reconcile | 0:19:54 | 0:19:55 | |
themselves to the results of the | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
never been able to reconcile
referendum. I think a large majority | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
never been able to reconcile
of people in the country, even of | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
those who voted Remain, they now
say, let's get on with it and see | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
what we can get out of these
negotiations. Nicky Morgan | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
what we can get out of these
absolutely right when she said | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
what we can get out of these
in years to come people will not be | 0:20:14 | 0:20:15 | |
looking back at the negotiations.
They will be looking back at the | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
outcome. The negotiations matter
because they determine the outcome. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
outcome. The negotiations matter
You like the tone of the speech. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
When you look at the detail, does it
When you look at the detail, does it | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
really amounted taking back control | 0:20:28 | 0:20:29 | |
When you look at the detail, does it
when the Prime Minister says the UK | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
will need to make a strong
commitment that regulatory standards | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
will remain as high as the EU and in
practice they will remain similar in | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
the future? That is not what you
campaign for. In many respects they | 0:20:39 | 0:20:44 | |
will be similar. As | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
campaign for. In many respects they
Minister said this morning, on the | 0:20:46 | 0:20:47 | |
Andrew Marr programme, these
regulations are not EU | 0:20:47 | 0:20:53 | |
Andrew Marr programme, these
the international regulations. The | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
crucial thing is that our sovereign | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
the international regulations. The
parliament, in future, will be able | 0:20:59 | 0:21:00 | |
parliament, in future, will be able
to decide whether we remain in a | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
layman, which in many cases would be
a sensible thing to do, or whether | 0:21:02 | 0:21:08 | |
layman, which in many cases would be
we diverged, which could also be | 0:21:08 | 0:21:09 | |
we diverged, which could also be
sensible. That is what taking back | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
control means. The sovereign
parliament will decide. Look at | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
where we do remain in alignment and
where we do remain in alignment and | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
a hard fact that Theresa May picked
out | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
a hard fact that Theresa May picked
access we may have to maintain a | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
layman. The EU will change their
rules over the next few deals -- | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
over the next few years. We will end
up having to mirror rules that we | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
over the next few years. We will end
had no say at all in making if we | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
had no say at all in making if we
want to maintain access. That is not | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
control. We will be able to decide.
In some cases it may be sensible to | 0:21:37 | 0:21:44 | |
change rules to remain in alignment
with the European Union's rules but | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
in other cases it will not be, and
we will be able to decide. That is | 0:21:46 | 0:21:53 | |
in other cases it will not be, and
what taking back control means. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
You're perfectly happy with
associated membership of some of the | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
EU agencies, medicine, chemicals,
the aviation safety agency, and with | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
paying a fee to be -- to be a | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
the aviation safety agency, and with
member. Very sensible. A year ago | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
you would not have | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
member. Very sensible. A year ago
that you wanted to stay a member of | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
any of these agents is a tall. You
never ask me. You would have been | 0:22:15 | 0:22:20 | |
never ask me. You would have been
surprised by the answer. These are | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
sensible, practical arrangements
that we benefit from, and the EU | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
benefits. It is sensible. We were
promised famously by David Davis | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
promised famously by David Davis
benefits of being in the customs | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
union and the single market after
Brexit. The Prime Minister herself | 0:22:35 | 0:22:40 | |
said something similar. Now she's
telling us we will have less access. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
When people were told we could leave
the EU and maintain the same | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
benefits, were they being lied to? | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
the EU and maintain the same
Not at all. I think it is a | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
consequence of what the Prime
Minister has said, that in all | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
important respects, we will have the
access we need. There may be some | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
areas where that will not be | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
access we need. There may be some
case, but she dealt with the most | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
access we need. There may be some
important aspect in her speech on | 0:23:06 | 0:23:06 | |
Friday and should have in the most
Friday and should have in the most | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
important areas | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
Friday and should have in the most
have access. I think that will be | 0:23:12 | 0:23:13 | |
the outcome. It is in the interests
of the European Union as well as | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
of the European Union as well as
ourselves that that should be | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
of the European Union as well as
They want access to our large | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
market. We are one of | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
They want access to our large
biggest economies in the world. They | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
want access to our markets. It will | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
biggest economies in the world. They
be on both our interest to reach | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
that sort of agreement. Both wings
of the Tory party might be happy | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
with this. The speech was received
less enthusiastically in Brussels. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
The EU will publish their draft
guidelines on how they see a future | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
deal on Tuesday. If they do not
accept the approach that Theresa May | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
accept the approach that Theresa May
has laid out, what should she do | 0:23:46 | 0:23:51 | |
accept the approach that Theresa May
next? Let's concentrate on the | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
positives. We are in a negotiation.
There will inevitably be posturing | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
by the European Union in the course
of these negotiations. That is what | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
negotiations always bring with them.
But I think, as I say, it is in | 0:24:01 | 0:24:07 | |
negotiations always bring with them.
our interest that we should have a | 0:24:07 | 0:24:08 | |
good deal. At the end of the day,
they want our money. They will not | 0:24:08 | 0:24:14 | |
get our money unless there is a good
deal. It has been said that a trade | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
deal cannot be said by putting up a
few extra cherries in the Brexit | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
cake. This speech did not persuade
him that is a deal to be done. He | 0:24:23 | 0:24:29 | |
cake. This speech did not persuade
not in charge of the negotiations. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:30 | |
Michel Barnier did not seem terribly
impressed. Are they going to accept | 0:24:30 | 0:24:37 | |
the Prime Minister's view that you
can accept | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
the Prime Minister's view that you
different sectors? Let's wait and | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
the Prime Minister's view that you
see. Michel Barnier welcome the | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
speech. There is lots of posturing.
It is invading tress and hours to | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
arrive at a | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
It is invading tress and hours to
similar to that which the Prime | 0:24:52 | 0:24:53 | |
Minister set on Friday. You're being
very positive about with the EU is | 0:24:53 | 0:24:58 | |
likely to do. They may well not do
likely to do. They may well not do | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
that. Is there a point at which the | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
likely to do. They may well not do
Prime Minister may be forced to walk | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
Prime Minister may be forced to walk
away because they will not meet | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
halfway? I hope not but if you go
into any negotiations in, I want to | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
deal at any price, you will be taken
to the cleaners. That is true of | 0:25:12 | 0:25:18 | |
every negotiation. I agree with the | 0:25:18 | 0:25:19 | |
to the cleaners. That is true of
Prime Minister when she says that in | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
the ultimate circumstance, no deal
is better than a bad deal, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
the ultimate circumstance, no deal
not think we're going to have a bad | 0:25:26 | 0:25:27 | |
not think we're going to have a bad
deal, I think we're going to have a | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
deal along the lines the Prime | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
deal, I think we're going to have a
Minister set out on Friday. She | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
deal, I think we're going to have a
we are going to have to | 0:25:33 | 0:25:34 | |
deal, I think we're going to have a
and we are not going to get what we | 0:25:34 | 0:25:40 | |
want. We will have to meet someone
in | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
want. We will have to meet someone
response from the EU has not been to | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
say, we agree, let's talk about
say, we agree, let's talk about | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
to maintain a lot of | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
say, we agree, let's talk about
lines about cherry picking. That | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
say, we agree, let's talk about
will change. Their approach to the | 0:25:53 | 0:25:53 | |
negotiations on the | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
will change. Their approach to the
changed. All sorts of figures were | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
bandied about about the | 0:25:58 | 0:25:59 | |
changed. All sorts of figures were
would have to pay and they bore no | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
reality to the ultimate outcome. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
would have to pay and they bore no
have to take these initial | 0:26:05 | 0:26:05 | |
negotiating positions with a pinch
negotiating positions with a pinch | 0:26:05 | 0:26:10 | |
of salt. When the EU was negotiating | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
negotiating positions with a pinch
with Greece during its financial | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
crisis, they were absolutely
insistent, they did not soften their | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
lines. No disrespect to Greece, but
we are not Greece. The European | 0:26:16 | 0:26:24 | |
Union needs access to our markets.
The European Union needs our money. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:30 | |
Union needs access to our markets.
The situation is very, very | 0:26:30 | 0:26:31 | |
Union needs access to our markets.
different from that which happened | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
between the EU and Greece. Lord
Howard, thank you for talking to us | 0:26:33 | 0:26:38 | |
this morning. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
As we've heard, Jeremy Corbyn
made his own big speech on Brexit | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
earlier in the week and he backed
a customs union. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
So how would it work? | 0:26:45 | 0:26:46 | |
With me from Salford
is the Shadow Communities | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
Secretary, Andrew Gwynne. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:49 | |
Thank you very much for coming in
speak to us today. We have got to | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
make a very different approaches.
Jeremy Corbyn at | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
make a very different approaches.
the week saying he wanted to stay in | 0:26:58 | 0:26:58 | |
the week saying he wanted to stay in
a customs union, Theresa May on | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
Friday pretty much ruling it out. Is
it not Theresa May who is being | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
honest with the voters by laying out
honest with the voters by laying out | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
the hard fact, as she puts it, that
we will have to accept we have less | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
access to the EU market? Absolutely
not. That we are leaving the | 0:27:14 | 0:27:21 | |
European Union is decided. We had | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
not. That we are leaving the
referendum, but the Thames by | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
not. That we are leaving the
we leave the European Union is what | 0:27:25 | 0:27:26 | |
the negotiations are all about | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
we leave the European Union is what
the Labour Party has always said it | 0:27:29 | 0:27:29 | |
would seek to maintain the benefits
of a customs union. In | 0:27:29 | 0:27:35 | |
would seek to maintain the benefits
we have set out our proposals for | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
would seek to maintain the benefits
what we think that new arrangement | 0:27:37 | 0:27:38 | |
should be, I bespoke agreement
should be, I bespoke agreement | 0:27:38 | 0:27:43 | |
between the EU in the UK that would
between the EU in the UK that would | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
maintain the benefits | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
between the EU in the UK that would
trade between the UK and the | 0:27:48 | 0:27:48 | |
European Union going forward. But
one in which we are equal partners, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
so we have a say on those new trade
deals that are being made and a half | 0:27:53 | 0:27:59 | |
of the new arrangements between our
two trading blocs. That has never | 0:27:59 | 0:28:04 | |
happened with any other country that | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
two trading blocs. That has never
has entered into a customs union | 0:28:06 | 0:28:07 | |
has entered into a customs union
with the EU. Why do you think they | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
would give us an equal say, one of | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
with the EU. Why do you think they
us against 27 of them, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
with the EU. Why do you think they
to a negotiating a trade deal with | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
someone else somewhere else in the
world? The EU is different trading | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
world? The EU is different trading
arrangements with different | 0:28:20 | 0:28:21 | |
countries. It does and none of them
have a say in outside | 0:28:21 | 0:28:26 | |
countries. It does and none of them
The difference here, as Lord Howard | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
said, we are the largest economy the
said, we are the largest economy the | 0:28:29 | 0:28:34 | |
world. The European Union has | 0:28:34 | 0:28:35 | |
said, we are the largest economy the
important trading | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
United Kingdom, it is a two-way
process, and therefore it is in | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
United Kingdom, it is a two-way
of interest that we strike a deal | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
United Kingdom, it is a two-way
that benefits both of us. I do not | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
know what is happening on this
programme. You are agreeing with | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
Laura Taarabt, he's agreeing with
Laura Taarabt, he's agreeing with | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
Nicky Morgan. It is a very unusual
Nicky Morgan. It is a very unusual | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
morning. You're all in the same
side. The | 0:28:55 | 0:29:00 | |
morning. You're all in the same
Conservatives have ruled out a | 0:29:00 | 0:29:00 | |
customs union, and we are saying
that a customs | 0:29:00 | 0:29:05 | |
customs union, and we are saying
least that we can give real | 0:29:05 | 0:29:05 | |
least that we can give real
assurances that the Good Friday | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
Agreement and our treaty obligations
in the Good Friday Agreement are not | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
torn up. We do | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
in the Good Friday Agreement are not
advantage is that we have seen of 20 | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
years of peace between Northern
Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:20 | |
If | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
customs union but you do not get a | 0:29:22 | 0:29:23 | |
large say in future trade deals with
countries outside of the EU and | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
large say in future trade deals with
just have to accept what is | 0:29:28 | 0:29:29 | |
negotiated by the EU 27, would you
negotiated by the EU 27, would you | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
still want to be in that customs
union? We would have to look at that | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
carefully. We want to be a rule
maker and not a real taker. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:46 | |
carefully. We want to be a rule
hard to do that if you | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
carefully. We want to be a rule
customs union. Unless you have a | 0:29:48 | 0:29:48 | |
carefully. We want to be a rule
arrangement whereby the | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
carefully. We want to be a rule
Kingdom sits at the table when those | 0:29:51 | 0:29:51 | |
Kingdom sits at the table when those
trade deals are being made. That is | 0:29:51 | 0:29:52 | |
trade deals are being made. That is
make. We believe we would be in | 0:29:52 | 0:29:57 | |
trade deals are being made. That is
better position to make those | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
better position to make those
arrangements with the European Union | 0:29:59 | 0:29:59 | |
because we have approached the
Brexit negotiations in an entirely | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
different manner. We have said what
different manner. We have said what | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
we would like to see in terms of
transitional | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
we would like to see in terms of
government subsequently followed on | 0:30:10 | 0:30:10 | |
a number of those issues, but all
along we have said that we want to | 0:30:10 | 0:30:15 | |
along we have said that we want to
maintain the benefits of tariff free | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
custom free trade, and that is
absolutely crucial, not least for | 0:30:17 | 0:30:22 | |
the Northern Ireland issue. One | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
absolutely crucial, not least for
the things the Labour Party was | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
looking forward to have to Brexit,
and that Jeremy Corbyn has stressed, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
was the freedom from | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
and that Jeremy Corbyn has stressed,
rules, where the EU stops the UK | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
Government from giving | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
rules, where the EU stops the UK
assistance to any particular sector | 0:30:37 | 0:30:37 | |
of industry. Theresa May spoke about
that on Friday and said it | 0:30:37 | 0:30:43 | |
of industry. Theresa May spoke about
necessary to sign up to the | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
of industry. Theresa May spoke about
directives on state aid and | 0:30:45 | 0:30:46 | |
procurement rules, to keep those EU
rules. Do you accept that will have | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
to | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
No, and we have a different view
anyway. When it came to our | 0:30:55 | 0:31:01 | |
arguments the Government | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
anyway. When it came to our
in to assist the steel industry in | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
anyway. When it came to our
Britain, the Government used these | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
anyway. When it came to our
fallacies about state aid rules to | 0:31:08 | 0:31:09 | |
excuse themselves for not giving | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
fallacies about state aid rules to
adequate support to that industry. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:13 | |
We didn't believe in the | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
adequate support to that industry.
interpretation the Government made | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
adequate support to that industry.
because other European countries | 0:31:17 | 0:31:18 | |
have got round the so-called state
aid rules. We have said as part of | 0:31:18 | 0:31:24 | |
our negotiations, that is a red line
for us. We would want to make sure | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
we could facilitate state aid in a
number of areas where Labour Party | 0:31:28 | 0:31:35 | |
policies have been clearer about | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
number of areas where Labour Party
supporting our industries. If that | 0:31:37 | 0:31:37 | |
is a red line, is it more important
staying in the customs union, if | 0:31:37 | 0:31:42 | |
is a red line, is it more important
have to make the choice? The EU | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
could say no customs union if you | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
have to make the choice? The EU
insist on state aid. We believe we | 0:31:47 | 0:31:53 | |
could get a bespoke arrangement for
a new customs relationship, a new | 0:31:53 | 0:31:58 | |
customs union. I think there's a
name for that, isn't it called | 0:31:58 | 0:32:03 | |
cherry picking? No because | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
name for that, isn't it called
believe this is in the interests of | 0:32:05 | 0:32:06 | |
believe this is in the interests of
the UK and in the interests of the | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
European Union. 44% of our trade is
with the European Union, 53% of the | 0:32:10 | 0:32:16 | |
EU's trade is with the UK so it is | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
with the European Union, 53% of the
in both our interests that we sort | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
this out and get the best deal not | 0:32:21 | 0:32:27 | |
in both our interests that we sort
for the European | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
in both our interests that we sort
Britain outside of the European | 0:32:29 | 0:32:29 | |
Union. You seem to be saying | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
Britain outside of the European
Tory government are asking for | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
Britain outside of the European
impossible in their negotiations and | 0:32:33 | 0:32:34 | |
Britain outside of the European
won't get what they are looking for | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
Britain outside of the European
but somehow if there was a Labour | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
government negotiating this deal,
all doors would open | 0:32:38 | 0:32:44 | |
government negotiating this deal,
be able to select which bit of the | 0:32:44 | 0:32:44 | |
government negotiating this deal,
customs union you did | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
government negotiating this deal,
like and could have a bespoke deal | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
government negotiating this deal,
that is not available for some | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
reason to Theresa May. They ruled
out a customs union, I think that is | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
a bad decision because I believe a
customs union, negotiated between | 0:32:55 | 0:33:01 | |
the UK and the European Union 27 is
in the best | 0:33:01 | 0:33:07 | |
the UK and the European Union 27 is
customs free tariff-free trade going | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
the UK and the European Union 27 is
forward but also sorting | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
the UK and the European Union 27 is
issue of the border between Ireland, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
north and south. Labour set out six
north and south. Labour set out six | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
tests as to whether | 0:33:18 | 0:33:19 | |
north and south. Labour set out six
for the Brexit deal in the end and | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
north and south. Labour set out six
one of those was that it had to | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
one of those was that it had to
deliver the same benefits we get | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
from being in the single market and
customs union. That was a quote from | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
David Davis, but Theresa May | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
customs union. That was a quote from
been clear we are not going to get | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
the same benefits. Does this mean
Labour under | 0:33:34 | 0:33:39 | |
the same benefits. Does this mean
be able to vote for any Brexit deal | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
be able to vote for any Brexit deal
that's been negotiated? Let's see | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
what Brexit deal comes back before
we have a hypothetical vote on this. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
You don't think there's | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
we have a hypothetical vote on this.
circumstances in which it could come | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
back... I believe if the Government
wanted to enter into negotiations to | 0:33:53 | 0:33:58 | |
do that, they could do that. The
fact the Prime Minister has conceded | 0:33:58 | 0:34:03 | |
is probably because they | 0:34:03 | 0:34:04 | |
fact the Prime Minister has conceded
out a customs union. We believe that | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
fact the Prime Minister has conceded
is the wrong decision, we believe | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
that arrangement is | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
is the wrong decision, we believe
let's see what the Government comes | 0:34:12 | 0:34:13 | |
back with and then we will decide
how we vote in parliament. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
Parliament has got a meaningful vote | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
how we vote in parliament.
and that was something that had to | 0:34:21 | 0:34:22 | |
be secured through the parliamentary
processes. The Government weren't | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
going to give | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
processes. The Government weren't
think it is right it is ultimately | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
processes. The Government weren't
Parliament that decides. Thank you. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
It's coming up to 11.40,
you're watching the Sunday Politics. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
Still to come... | 0:34:37 | 0:34:38 | |
As the government promises to cut
red tape to get more houses built, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
we'll ask the Cabinet Office
minister David Lidington | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
whether they're finally prepared
to take on the nimbys. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
First though, it's
time for the Sunday Politics | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
where you are. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
Hello and welcome to
Sunday Politics Wales. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
In a few minutes' time,
the American Ambassador on what kind | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
of Brexit deal would suit US firms
in Wales, and should | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
broadcasting be devolved
from Westminster to Cardiff Bay? | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
If so, how could it work? | 0:35:08 | 0:35:15 | |
But first, Carwyn Jones has spent
St David's Day in North America, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
drumming up business
and making contacts. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
Here at home, questions over
Labour's policy on Brexit | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
and his own future have continued. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
When my colleague Daniel Davies
caught up with him a few days ago | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
in New York,
he put it to the First Minister | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
that it was difficult to show real
benefits to Wales from | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
overseas visits such as these. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
People appreciate that I'm here. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
Yesterday I was in Philadelphia,
I met with two companies there | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
with plans to expand in Wales
and they value the fact you take | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
the time to come and see
them, they want to show | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
you their facilities in the States. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
It's a competitive world and we have
to be out there flying the flag | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
for Wales to make sure the flow
of jobs continues. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
Let's look at exports
to North America from Wales - | 0:35:55 | 0:36:02 | |
between 2012 and 2016 they fell
by £1 billion so it shows | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
those visits you've been making
over those four years, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
it's not having much
impact in that department. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
Far from it. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:11 | |
We're seeing more jobs
being created in Wales, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
I'm confident that at the end
of this visit we'll see | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
more being announced
in the future as well. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
We want to help exporters look
at the US market and I met some | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
in Washington on Monday to help them
to understand the US, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
its regulations and licensing,
and that's why we have offices | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
around North America and soon
one in Canada as well. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
While you're here, back home
the opposition are saying your | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
position on trade after Brexit
is complete chaos. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
You have been sending out mixed
signals, haven't you, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
on what sort of trading
arrangements you want? | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
Stay in the Customs Union,
full and unfettered access | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
to the Single Market,
if there is some kind of free trade | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
agreement between Europe and the US
that works in the future then fine. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
We talk of chaos -
the other parties, come on! | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
The mess they are in,
the Conservative Party | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
have an extremist wing
who want to cut us off | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
from Europe completely,
a pragmatic wing who are kicking | 0:37:05 | 0:37:11 | |
us all over the place. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:12 | |
I've no idea what the UK
Government's endgame is here. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
We have been clear over
the past year as to what | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
we would like to see. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:18 | |
You have said consistently you want
to stay in the Customs Union | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
but you said before coming here that
you would press the case | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
for a free trade agreement
between the UK and the US. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
It's inconsistent. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
It's a backstop. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
Absolutely we want to stay
in the Customs Union and get full | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
access to the Single Market. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
The UK Government says it
doesn't want to do that | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
so you explore your options,
any rational government would do | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
that but the preferred option has
to be to stay | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
within the Customs Union. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
So it does sound a bit that you want
to have your cake and eat it, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
the very thing you have been
accusing the Brexiteers are doing. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
You want to stay in the Customs
Union, you also want to talk | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
about free trade with America. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:57 | |
You keep your options open. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
Let's be clear, I think the UK
should stay in the Customs Union. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
There is no evidence to suggest
we would be better off | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
outside the Customs Union. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:06 | |
The UK Government could decide
to take us out of the Customs Union, | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
so then it makes sense to explore
less palatable options | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
but options nevertheless. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
You have to cover all your bases
when involved in politics | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
but let me be clear,
staying in the Customs Union | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
is the best way forward for Wales. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
How many more trips like this
do you think you'll make | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
as First Minister? | 0:38:25 | 0:38:26 | |
It's difficult to tell. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:27 | |
It's as and when. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
With the US, being here on St
David's Day is hugely important. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
We hosted a reception
on Capitol Hill on Monday night, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
very well attended, creating
those political connections. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
It's important for us to know what's
happening in US politics in terms | 0:38:37 | 0:38:42 | |
of what might happen as far
as market access for the future. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:47 | |
We have more than 20 congressmen
who are part of a Welsh caucus | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
who work with us to understand
what's happening in US politics. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:56 | |
In terms of other visits
it's as and when. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
What I'm getting at is for how much
longer are you going to be | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
as First Minister able to come here? | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
Why don't you set a timetable
for your time in office, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
as your predecessor did? | 0:39:07 | 0:39:08 | |
I know that was what you were
asking, carefully, you may come out | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
and ask the question. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
What you have to do is carry on,
from my perspective of course | 0:39:14 | 0:39:19 | |
there comes a point where somebody
else would step into the role | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
of First Minister, of course that's
natural but for the moment | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
I'm focused on getting jobs. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
The opposition parties haven't been
talking about jobs or business | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
or getting investment to Wales
in the last few weeks, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:37 | |
this is what I'm here to do. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
What we care about is can you get
skilled, well-paid jobs into Wales | 0:39:39 | 0:39:46 | |
from the US and Canada? | 0:39:46 | 0:39:47 | |
That's what this trip is about. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
And you're not tempted
to lay out a timetable, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:50 | |
as Rhodri Morgan did,
for when you might stand down? | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
No, I think from my perspective it's
a question of looking | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
forward to the future. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
I think it is hugely important
with all the enquiries we have, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
it is hugely important
to see those through. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:10 | |
I think it would be quite wrong
for anybody to disappear | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
in the middle of that process
and that is hugely important. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:20 | |
And we'll stick with
the US for a moment, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
because overnight Donald Trump has
taken to Twitter to step up | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
a row over trade tariffs. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
Last week, before this row
escalated, the US ambassador | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
was in Wales for St David's Day. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
Robert Johnson -
Woody to his friends - | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
is a wealthy businessman, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
so when Nick Servini spoke to him
he obviously asked him about trade | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
after Brexit and what kind
of deal his country would favour. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
We want to sell and we want to buy,
so the best way to do | 0:40:44 | 0:40:50 | |
that is what we will
be interested in. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
This is the big debate here and now
I'm spending a lot of time on that | 0:40:52 | 0:40:57 | |
but that's the way America
look at it. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
There are tens of thousands
of Welsh workers working | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
for American companies. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
When you speak to US
firms are they concerned | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
about the impact of Brexit? | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
Business doesn't like uncertainty
so as a businessman myself, | 0:41:12 | 0:41:17 | |
you're always trying to get rid
of uncertainty or go into | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
environments which are more certain. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
Our jobs are analysing risk
and reward so uncertainty raises | 0:41:23 | 0:41:29 | |
the risks and you don't know how
it's going to turn out, | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
so as this rolls through,
as Brexit rolls through, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
clarity will become more clear. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:45 | |
And many of those companies came
to the UK, came to Wales primarily | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
because it offered a gateway
to the rest of the EU. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:55 | |
Do you think in future
if there are trading barriers | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
between the UK and the rest
of the EU, that will affect future | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
investment decisions? | 0:42:02 | 0:42:03 | |
I think rather than speculate
you will have to see. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
It will always be a gateway
for somewhere, Europe as well, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:08 | |
it will always be that,
because of the language | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
and because of the culture,
the historical relationships | 0:42:10 | 0:42:15 | |
and the legal system,
it's very important, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
and that has to do with
certainty and uncertainty. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:23 | |
People talk about the special
relationship between | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
the UK and the States. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:33 | |
When you look at Brexit, I wonder,
does it make sense to leave | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
the EU and not be able
to strike your own trade deals | 0:42:37 | 0:42:42 | |
with the rest of the world,
which is what would happen | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
if we stayed in the Customs Union? | 0:42:45 | 0:42:50 | |
I think the Americans have quite
a large investment in the UK, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
trillions of dollars and millions
of jobs on both sides of the pond, | 0:42:53 | 0:43:00 | |
so we would like, our preference
as stated by Wilbur Ross, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
Secretary of Commerce,
was leave room for the US, | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
leave room for relationships outside
of the EU and so what he meant | 0:43:07 | 0:43:15 | |
by that is there's
a big world out there. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
It's a fascinating time
for you in the job. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
With such an unspoken president do
you find yourself firefighting | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
diplomatically all the time? | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
Not really, because I think
the citizens of the UK are starting | 0:43:27 | 0:43:35 | |
to understand the President a little
better because he now been | 0:43:36 | 0:43:41 | |
in for a little over a year
and the market has gone up from, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:48 | |
probably at 20%, up to, what... | 0:43:48 | 0:43:54 | |
It started about 19,000 and now it's
about 26,000, a good jump. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:59 | |
What do you think we need
to understand about him? | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
I think that what you have
to understand about this President | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
is understand what he's doing,
what he's done and what he's | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
accomplished in one year. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
People have said in his first year
he's already accomplished | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
close to 70% of his objectives. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
That's pretty amazing,
especially since it was very hard | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
for him to get people appointed
and all the obstacles | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
that were thrown up,
some self-inflicted you might say, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:31 | |
but whatever way you look at him,
I think you have to look | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
at the accomplishments,
the taxes, the employment levels, | 0:44:35 | 0:44:40 | |
the customer confidence
levels and all that, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:46 | |
the changes in the military
which he said he wanted to do | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
and that's started in a major way
and just the optimism of Americans | 0:44:50 | 0:44:55 | |
right now in terms of making sure
the middle class is growing | 0:44:55 | 0:45:00 | |
and people are feeling more
optimistic finally about leaving | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
the place better than they found it
which was starting to disappear. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:07 | |
Mr Johnson... | 0:45:07 | 0:45:08 | |
One year! | 0:45:08 | 0:45:09 | |
Mr Johnson, thank you very much. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
Thank you. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
Now, should programmes broadcast
in Wales be controlled from here? | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
One leading academic says that
could mean less money | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
to spend on services. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:21 | |
This week the Welsh Government
said the time wasn't | 0:45:21 | 0:45:23 | |
right for such a move. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
So how practical could it be
and what might be the benefits? | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
Eleanor Gruffydd Jones reports. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
This is BBC Radio Wales. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:38 | |
Welcome to the program. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
Wales is waking up to
another day of disruption. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
Heavy snowfall and strong
winds overnight... | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
When Wales turns white,
people reach for their radios, | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
turn on their TVs and hit the web. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
Without thinking, broadcasting comes
into its own as people tune | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
in and get online for the latest
info, so does it matter | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
who controls this? | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
This week Elfed Wyn Jones
ended his seven-day hunger strike | 0:46:01 | 0:46:05 | |
to push for transferring powers over
Welsh language broadcasting | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
from Westminster to Cardiff Bay. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
Plaid also held a debate
on the topic in the Senedd. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
The devolution of broadcasting
is more important than ever in order | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
to ensure that Wales has a voice. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
This isn't the time to start to talk
about devolving broadcasting | 0:46:21 | 0:46:27 | |
partially or to consider devolution
of any part of broadcasting to Wales | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
as part of the development
of the devolution settlement. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
So we asked two experts, Dr Jamie
Midhurst and Dr Ruth McIlroy, | 0:46:34 | 0:46:39 | |
what difference having control
would make and why we should care. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
It's how we hear ourselves
represented or how we learn | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
something about parts of the world
that we've never visited. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
The late Dr John Davies,
fantastic Welsh historian, | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
argued that Wales was an artefact
created by broadcasting | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
in some senses. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
Yes, we know that Wales
existed geographically | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
but if you like as an entity. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
Ofcom regulate all the public
service broadcasters serving Wales, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
including the BBC, ITV and S4C. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
Crucially both the BBC and ITV
are UK-wide broadcasters but have | 0:47:10 | 0:47:15 | |
certain requirements in serving
Welsh audiences, the BBC | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
with a wider remit in terms
of the services | 0:47:18 | 0:47:21 | |
it's meant to provide. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
S4C is mainly funded by the UK
government and the BBC licence fee | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
but that arrangement
is under independent review. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
There are some issues
about what Wales understands | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
about itself, particularly
devolution, but also what the rest | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
of the UK understands by devolution
so it's natural that we would expect | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
to hear these campaigns coming
forward from time to time to time. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:44 | |
So when we say the devolution
of broadcasting, what do we mean? | 0:47:44 | 0:47:50 | |
It's unclear what the methodology
would be for raising funding | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
so if we take the BBC as one
example, currently that's | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
paid for by the licence
fee that we all pay. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
One way of doing that
would be to cut that | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
appropriately to the populations
of the different nations. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:06 | |
That could mean we end
up with less money. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
At the moment one could argue
that the DCMS funding | 0:48:09 | 0:48:13 | |
in London is ring-fenced,
it's safe, it's not | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
battling anything else. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
If it were to come to Cardiff,
then you have the other devolved | 0:48:19 | 0:48:23 | |
areas such as education -
large areas, education, health, | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
transport, economy and broadcasting. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:30 | |
Since BBC Wales began in the 1960s,
one of the main arguments is that | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
devolving broadcasting would help
the understanding of | 0:48:34 | 0:48:36 | |
specifically Welsh issues. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:40 | |
I think there would be no point
going through the process | 0:48:40 | 0:48:42 | |
of devolving broadcasting
without also trying to get improved | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
representation on screen. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:46 | |
I'm sure many of us have had
the experience of watching the news | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
and hearing a reporter tell us
that this is the case in England | 0:48:49 | 0:48:54 | |
and we never then find out
what is the case in Wales, | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
Scotland or Northern Ireland. | 0:48:57 | 0:48:58 | |
How would Welsh language
programming be helped? | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
One member of S4C's governing body
says it wouldn't be. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
Wales tends to vote Labour
and Labour, understandably | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
like all political parties,
looks after its base and its base | 0:49:09 | 0:49:14 | |
arguably is not the Welsh speaking
communities that are particularly | 0:49:14 | 0:49:18 | |
grateful for the existence of S4C,
so the idea that there would be more | 0:49:18 | 0:49:23 | |
money for it if controls moved
from Whitehall to Cardiff Bay | 0:49:23 | 0:49:28 | |
is a bit of a fantasy. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:29 | |
You're watching BBC 1 Wales. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
Now it's time for the
Six O'Clock News... | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
But ultimately how
relevant is this debate? | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
With the growth of digital TV,
the ability to watch it | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
from the other side of the world
online and social media, | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
what control can any government hope
to have over the media we consume? | 0:49:42 | 0:49:49 | |
Now, after hearing from
the Prime Minister and Labour | 0:49:49 | 0:49:52 | |
leader about their latest views
on Brexit, this week | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
Plaid Cymru has a debate
in the Commons on the issue. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
It will use the debate to make
the argument for UK citizens | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
being able to retain EU
citizenship after Brexit. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:03 | |
But how could that work? | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
The party's Economy Spokesman,
Adam Price, is with me now. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:14 | |
How would that work? There is a
legal dimension to this and a more | 0:50:14 | 0:50:21 | |
personal perspective. Legally,
people in Wales and the rest of the | 0:50:21 | 0:50:28 | |
UK are currently EU citizens and
that has conferred valuable rights, | 0:50:28 | 0:50:33 | |
the ability to work and study in
Europe and enjoy free health care | 0:50:33 | 0:50:38 | |
and that will continue after Brexit
because of EU law. There will be a | 0:50:38 | 0:50:46 | |
transitional period and it's unclear
what will after that. People like | 0:50:46 | 0:50:52 | |
me, we will all under this
differently but people like me feel | 0:50:52 | 0:50:58 | |
passionately European and to a
certain extent might Welshness and | 0:50:58 | 0:51:03 | |
might European this are connected.
We come from our civilisation of | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
Celts that were known as the fathers
of Europe. Let's bring it forward a | 0:51:07 | 0:51:13 | |
few centuries to where we are now,
and how would it work, read | 0:51:13 | 0:51:20 | |
containing European citizenship
after Brexit? Once the UK has left, | 0:51:20 | 0:51:26 | |
what will that mean? It will mean
that everyone who was an EU citizen | 0:51:26 | 0:51:34 | |
before Brexit will continue to enjoy
those rights. Freedom of movement. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:42 | |
Yes, and free health care which is
important in terms of travel and | 0:51:42 | 0:51:48 | |
studying. There is the question
about what could happen to associate | 0:51:48 | 0:51:53 | |
citizenship as well which is a
matter for discussion but it is | 0:51:53 | 0:51:58 | |
accepted by most legal observers
under the Treaty of Lisbon but you | 0:51:58 | 0:52:03 | |
cannot remove from an individual the
right of citizenship. But would you | 0:52:03 | 0:52:08 | |
then accept that EU citizens would
be free to travel to the UK? That is | 0:52:08 | 0:52:15 | |
a different question, it is
reciprocity. But it is essential as | 0:52:15 | 0:52:21 | |
the EU Commission would have to
agree to this and they will not | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
agree unless there's a dozens the
same rights. No, and Steve Hoss cat | 0:52:25 | 0:52:35 | |
-- guy for hot start accepts that in
that rights for individuals will | 0:52:35 | 0:52:43 | |
continue, and if you want to look
back at other examples in | 0:52:43 | 0:52:49 | |
international law, the Irish
Republic and its citizens continue | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
to have rights within the UK. But
what about in future if young people | 0:52:52 | 0:53:00 | |
want to go and study in the EU, they
wouldn't have the same rights as | 0:53:00 | 0:53:05 | |
their parents. Though, and this is
then the issue of associate | 0:53:05 | 0:53:13 | |
citizenship, which would be a matter
of negotiation because it will not | 0:53:13 | 0:53:18 | |
exist as a legal right but could be
a future option. But if you want | 0:53:18 | 0:53:27 | |
that enhanced write for future
generations to travel in the EU, the | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
EU will want something back, they
will say if you want to come and | 0:53:31 | 0:53:36 | |
have free health care in the EU and
free travel, our citizens have to | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
have the same thing. I can see the
argument. Is it something that | 0:53:40 | 0:53:50 | |
voters in the UK would accept as we
have voted to leave the EU? The | 0:53:50 | 0:53:57 | |
option of an associate citizenship
model could be something for | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
consideration. The key point is that
rights that are there in law for | 0:54:00 | 0:54:07 | |
current EU citizens cannot be taken
away, valuable rights need to be | 0:54:07 | 0:54:12 | |
protected. One of the reasons the UK
voted to leave was because of | 0:54:12 | 0:54:19 | |
immigration, it seems you are
proposing something that does not | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
get to grips with the problem is
that threw up. I think the issue of | 0:54:23 | 0:54:30 | |
migration was largely to do with the
politics of it and a feeling of | 0:54:30 | 0:54:36 | |
economic distress in communities
that have been neglected for | 0:54:36 | 0:54:42 | |
generations and I think the
responsibility for that largely lies | 0:54:42 | 0:54:47 | |
with the political establishment
that has not invested sufficiently. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:54 | |
What is the answer? People voted to
leave, you seem to be saying there | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
will be no change on immigration in
future and that's not what people | 0:54:58 | 0:55:02 | |
voted for. The solution to economic
distress that communities like | 0:55:02 | 0:55:10 | |
myself have felt that expressed
itself in that vote does not lie | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
with migration but in economic
justice. It seems to me you were | 0:55:14 | 0:55:21 | |
ignoring the will of the people who
voted because of concerns on | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
immigration. People voted for a
variety of reasons but they did vote | 0:55:25 | 0:55:33 | |
because of economic distress that
some of them associated with | 0:55:33 | 0:55:37 | |
migration policy but the answer to
that is economic justice. It is | 0:55:37 | 0:55:45 | |
conservative and Labour governments
that haven't invested in | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
communities, that is the answer to
the problem, the answer is to take | 0:55:49 | 0:55:54 | |
back control. We have a Westminster
government engaging in a power grab. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:59 | |
He was talking about the sovereignty
of the UK and is now taking back | 0:55:59 | 0:56:05 | |
sovereignty from Wales so we cannot
address our economic problems. You | 0:56:05 | 0:56:10 | |
are now talking about the EU
Withdrawal Bill, a different issue, | 0:56:10 | 0:56:15 | |
and the UK Government says there
will be more parents coming to Wales | 0:56:15 | 0:56:20 | |
after Brexit, clearly you don't
believe that but I want to come back | 0:56:20 | 0:56:26 | |
to things like freedom of movement,
if you had that it would make it | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
easier to remain in the Customs
Union and the single market if that | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
was what you wanted to do. Is that
what this is part of? Wales has been | 0:56:33 | 0:56:41 | |
shafted politically for it
generations, you could say for | 0:56:41 | 0:56:45 | |
centuries and we are being shafted
again and we have to demand a future | 0:56:45 | 0:56:50 | |
for our nation. And that is a
historical side but what about the | 0:56:50 | 0:56:56 | |
future? We're moving from a European
Common Market to a UK Common Market | 0:56:56 | 0:57:04 | |
and we accept the need for common
rules but we are being offered a | 0:57:04 | 0:57:09 | |
system for the English Parliament,
that is what Westminster is, we need | 0:57:09 | 0:57:14 | |
a UK Common Market for each of the
four Nations has an equal voice but | 0:57:14 | 0:57:20 | |
instead we are being given a system
where | 0:57:20 | 0:57:32 | |
where England has a supermajority
through a Westminster parliament | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
dominated by English MPs. We want to
see our White Paper for each of the | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
four nations has an equal voice so
they UK Common Market is a Common | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
Market of four nations. Thank you
for your time. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
That's it for this week. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:45 | |
Don't forget about Wales Live
on Wednesday night at 10:30pm. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
You can also follow all
the latest on Twitter - | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
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But for now that's all from me. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
Diolch am wylio,
thanks for watching. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
Time to go back to Sarah. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
welcome back. | 0:57:57 | 0:57:57 | |
So how about a bit of
a break from Brexit? | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
This morning the government
announced new plans to make it | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
easier for more houses to be built,
with rules to cut red | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 | |
tape so that there can
be more homes in areas | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
where they are needed the most. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:09 | |
The government says they will take
on what they call the "Nimby | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
councils" who don't build enough. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:14 | |
However, their problem is that a lot
of these councils are Conservative. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:16 | |
So could we be about to see
a battle between local | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
and central government? | 0:58:19 | 0:58:20 | |
With me now with hopefully
all the answers is Cabinet Office | 0:58:20 | 0:58:22 | |
Minister David Lidington. | 0:58:22 | 0:58:24 | |
Thanks very | 0:58:24 | 0:58:26 | |
Thanks very much for coming in. Good | 0:58:26 | 0:58:27 | |
Thanks very much for coming in. Good
morning. If you're going to try and | 0:58:27 | 0:58:29 | |
build more homes in | 0:58:29 | 0:58:31 | |
morning. If you're going to try and
of England, which is where | 0:58:31 | 0:58:32 | |
morning. If you're going to try and
demand is highest, these are going | 0:58:32 | 0:58:35 | |
morning. If you're going to try and
to be your own councillors | 0:58:35 | 0:58:37 | |
morning. If you're going to try and
taking on over this? If you talk to | 0:58:37 | 0:58:39 | |
most Conservative councillors they | 0:58:39 | 0:58:40 | |
taking on over this? If you talk to
will get the need for more homes and | 0:58:40 | 0:58:42 | |
their significant growth in house
building. Actually, if you talk to | 0:58:42 | 0:58:47 | |
councils in my area you will | 0:58:47 | 0:58:50 | |
building. Actually, if you talk to
councils that are getting on in | 0:58:50 | 0:58:52 | |
building. Actually, if you talk to
house-building rates anywhere in the | 0:58:52 | 0:58:54 | |
country. Under this government
house-building rates have | 0:58:54 | 0:58:59 | |
country. Under this government
significantly. Fewer new houses a | 0:58:59 | 0:59:00 | |
year than there were under the
Labour government, 223,000 in 2007, | 0:59:00 | 0:59:07 | |
217,000, fewer now than word being
built under the last Labour | 0:59:07 | 0:59:12 | |
government. The number | 0:59:12 | 0:59:15 | |
built under the last Labour
last year was 217,000, the | 0:59:15 | 0:59:16 | |
second-highest annual house-building
figure in 30 years. That is | 0:59:16 | 0:59:20 | |
second-highest annual house-building
record to be ashamed of. We have | 0:59:20 | 0:59:23 | |
also increased considerably the | 0:59:23 | 0:59:24 | |
record to be ashamed of. We have
spending on affordable homes in the | 0:59:24 | 0:59:25 | |
delivery of affordable | 0:59:25 | 0:59:27 | |
spending on affordable homes in the
council homes compared with what the | 0:59:27 | 0:59:30 | |
Labour government achieved. More
council houses have been built since | 0:59:30 | 0:59:33 | |
2010 than the entire 13 years in the
2010 than the entire 13 years in the | 0:59:33 | 0:59:36 | |
Labour government before that. The
number of affordable homes being | 0:59:36 | 0:59:38 | |
built | 0:59:38 | 0:59:44 | |
built is going down. In 2010 it was
61,000, last year was 40,000. | 0:59:44 | 0:59:47 | |
built is going down. In 2010 it was
is exactly why we have put in £9 | 0:59:47 | 0:59:49 | |
billion, an extra 2 billion in | 0:59:49 | 0:59:50 | |
is exactly why we have put in £9
last year alone, into the affordable | 0:59:50 | 0:59:52 | |
housing programme. What we need to
do is to get the new homes built. | 0:59:52 | 0:59:57 | |
That takes us to the planning
announcement that is being made | 0:59:57 | 1:00:01 | |
announcement that is being made
tomorrow, with a new national | 1:00:01 | 1:00:03 | |
planning policy framework for public
consultation. Houses and residents' | 1:00:03 | 1:00:08 | |
planning policy framework for public
groups can feedback their views on | 1:00:08 | 1:00:10 | |
that. When I talk to councils | 1:00:10 | 1:00:14 | |
groups can feedback their views on
find, and I talk to residents | 1:00:14 | 1:00:14 | |
concerned about new development,
what they want is to know | 1:00:14 | 1:00:19 | |
concerned about new development,
is going to be the infrastructure, | 1:00:19 | 1:00:20 | |
there is going to be the public
services to support new housing. I | 1:00:20 | 1:00:25 | |
find increasingly people get the
need for new housing. People get the | 1:00:25 | 1:00:29 | |
find increasingly people get the
need for new housing, they just do | 1:00:29 | 1:00:32 | |
not want it anywhere near them. That
not want it anywhere near them. That | 1:00:32 | 1:00:34 | |
is where the phrase Nimby comes
from. I think that is being unfair. | 1:00:34 | 1:00:38 | |
When I say to | 1:00:38 | 1:00:46 | |
people, all can your children
grandchildren afford to get on the | 1:00:51 | 1:00:53 | |
housing ladder, you see the heads | 1:00:53 | 1:00:56 | |
grandchildren afford to get on the
They get the importance | 1:00:56 | 1:00:59 | |
grandchildren afford to get on the
that we are living independently for | 1:00:59 | 1:00:59 | |
that we are living independently for
need more accommodation, there are | 1:00:59 | 1:01:01 | |
more | 1:01:01 | 1:01:03 | |
need more accommodation, there are
of population than we had in the | 1:01:03 | 1:01:05 | |
past. As well as having the | 1:01:05 | 1:01:07 | |
of population than we had in the
planned for, so that the locations, | 1:01:07 | 1:01:09 | |
as in the new guard in towns and | 1:01:09 | 1:01:12 | |
planned for, so that the locations,
cities programme are being properly | 1:01:12 | 1:01:13 | |
planned for, you also need the
infrastructure, the transport, the | 1:01:13 | 1:01:18 | |
planned for, you also need the
broadband to support that. That is | 1:01:18 | 1:01:21 | |
why the housing infrastructure fund
has been set up, so that local | 1:01:21 | 1:01:24 | |
why the housing infrastructure fund
councils can bid for | 1:01:24 | 1:01:26 | |
why the housing infrastructure fund
unlocking development opportunities. | 1:01:26 | 1:01:27 | |
unlocking development opportunities.
The government has said this morning | 1:01:27 | 1:01:32 | |
that Nimbys need to be tackled. But
the Nimbys and in the Cabinet. You | 1:01:32 | 1:01:38 | |
have said this needs to be | 1:01:38 | 1:01:40 | |
way that protects the green belt.
The housing minister says every | 1:01:40 | 1:01:42 | |
effort must be made to avoid
building in the green belt. The | 1:01:42 | 1:01:47 | |
Prime Minister Minister said that
local authorities may only alter | 1:01:47 | 1:01:51 | |
green belt boundaries in exceptional
circumstances. | 1:01:51 | 1:01:58 | |
circumstances. No, not at all, you
are underestimating the | 1:02:00 | 1:02:05 | |
circumstances. No, not at all, you
belt is important. If you come back | 1:02:05 | 1:02:08 | |
to the Chilterns green belt area,
to the Chilterns green belt area, | 1:02:08 | 1:02:11 | |
for people living in London, living
in Luton, High Wycombe, Milton | 1:02:11 | 1:02:16 | |
Keynes, Watford, these are places
expanding, new houses are | 1:02:16 | 1:02:20 | |
Keynes, Watford, these are places
built. Having that nearby is | 1:02:20 | 1:02:25 | |
something that is really important
so we need to plan housing alongside | 1:02:25 | 1:02:29 | |
conservation which is why when the
planning framework is announced | 1:02:29 | 1:02:33 | |
conservation which is why when the
tomorrow and the Prime Minister | 1:02:33 | 1:02:34 | |
makes her big speech on housing, we
are also saying this will be | 1:02:34 | 1:02:38 | |
are also saying this will be
developed alongside and taking | 1:02:38 | 1:02:40 | |
are also saying this will be
account of what Michael Gove and the | 1:02:40 | 1:02:43 | |
environment Department are doing | 1:02:43 | 1:02:45 | |
account of what Michael Gove and the
with a 25 year plans to improve the | 1:02:45 | 1:02:47 | |
environment of our country. Let me | 1:02:47 | 1:02:49 | |
with a 25 year plans to improve the
take you back to the speech | 1:02:49 | 1:02:51 | |
with a 25 year plans to improve the
Prime Minister made on Friday, her | 1:02:51 | 1:02:54 | |
Brexit speech. She made it clear | 1:02:54 | 1:02:56 | |
Prime Minister made on Friday, her
of the hard facts was we weren't | 1:02:56 | 1:02:58 | |
going to get everything we | 1:02:58 | 1:03:00 | |
of the hard facts was we weren't
You are as close as you can beat her | 1:03:00 | 1:03:03 | |
of the hard facts was we weren't
thinking on this, what will she | 1:03:03 | 1:03:05 | |
compromise on? Tempted as I am, I'm
not going to go into a detailed | 1:03:05 | 1:03:12 | |
negotiating position. We accept that | 1:03:12 | 1:03:14 | |
not going to go into a detailed
what we put forward is ambitious, | 1:03:14 | 1:03:17 | |
also credible idea for a close
economic partnership with the EU in | 1:03:17 | 1:03:22 | |
the future. The PM said in the text
the future. The PM said in the text | 1:03:22 | 1:03:25 | |
of the speech that neither of us
will end up with everything they | 1:03:25 | 1:03:29 | |
wanted. What we need to do now is
wanted. What we need to do now is | 1:03:29 | 1:03:32 | |
see the EU's opening position, to | 1:03:32 | 1:03:34 | |
wanted. What we need to do now is
sit down and start to work through | 1:03:34 | 1:03:36 | |
in detail some of these points about
the law, how you deliver our | 1:03:36 | 1:03:45 | |
in detail some of these points about
objectives of as frictionless trade | 1:03:45 | 1:03:45 | |
as possible, our economic | 1:03:45 | 1:03:47 | |
objectives of as frictionless trade
partnership in the future that | 1:03:47 | 1:03:47 | |
allows cross-border spy chains to
continue in a way that works to our | 1:03:47 | 1:03:52 | |
advantage and that of the EU 27
countries alike. The Irish | 1:03:52 | 1:03:57 | |
government don't seem | 1:03:57 | 1:04:00 | |
countries alike. The Irish
about this, Simon Coveney said this | 1:04:00 | 1:04:01 | |
about this, Simon Coveney said this
morning he doesn't then -- think the | 1:04:01 | 1:04:07 | |
EU will agree to it so | 1:04:07 | 1:04:11 | |
morning he doesn't then -- think the
closer to fixing the problem. Simon | 1:04:11 | 1:04:15 | |
Coveney and the Taoiseach as well as
Coveney and the Taoiseach as well as | 1:04:15 | 1:04:17 | |
others have also the way to solving | 1:04:17 | 1:04:18 | |
Coveney and the Taoiseach as well as
the responsibilities over the Irish | 1:04:18 | 1:04:20 | |
border and avoiding the hard | 1:04:20 | 1:04:23 | |
the responsibilities over the Irish
as to do that in the context of an | 1:04:23 | 1:04:26 | |
the responsibilities over the Irish
overall EU UK economic partnership | 1:04:26 | 1:04:28 | |
the responsibilities over the Irish
for the future, and go back to | 1:04:28 | 1:04:30 | |
the responsibilities over the Irish
PM's speech on Friday and she set | 1:04:30 | 1:04:31 | |
out a number of elements of | 1:04:31 | 1:04:35 | |
PM's speech on Friday and she set
deal on goods that would mean the | 1:04:35 | 1:04:38 | |
and the EU | 1:04:38 | 1:04:42 | |
deal on goods that would mean the
standards so British and European | 1:04:42 | 1:04:45 | |
goods circulated freely without the
need for border checks or paperwork. | 1:04:45 | 1:04:50 | |
That's what the Irish said they
don't think the EU will agree to. | 1:04:50 | 1:04:56 | |
That's what the Irish said they
think it is in the interests of the | 1:04:56 | 1:04:57 | |
EU to have this | 1:04:57 | 1:04:59 | |
think it is in the interests of the
these sorts of detail are what we | 1:04:59 | 1:05:01 | |
need to get into to understand where
difficulties lie. The Prime Minister | 1:05:01 | 1:05:06 | |
also talks about a customs
arrangement or partnership | 1:05:06 | 1:05:10 | |
also talks about a customs
EU 27 in the future that would allow | 1:05:10 | 1:05:13 | |
us to simplify and eliminate some of
these problems. We already have | 1:05:13 | 1:05:17 | |
agreement on the continuation of the
Common travel area which means free | 1:05:17 | 1:05:24 | |
agreement on the continuation of the
movement of people across the | 1:05:24 | 1:05:25 | |
jurisdiction | 1:05:25 | 1:05:29 | |
movement of people across the
island of Ireland and Ireland and | 1:05:29 | 1:05:30 | |
the UK. What the Cabinet are
committed to, and it was laid out in | 1:05:30 | 1:05:35 | |
the PM's speech, is that we see | 1:05:35 | 1:05:38 | |
committed to, and it was laid out in
as essential to ensure there is not | 1:05:38 | 1:05:39 | |
a hard border on the island of
Ireland, that every aspect of the | 1:05:39 | 1:05:44 | |
Good Friday Agreement, both
east-west and north-south, is upheld | 1:05:44 | 1:05:47 | |
in full. Moving onto President | 1:05:47 | 1:05:52 | |
east-west and north-south, is upheld
Trump, he's threatening tariffs on | 1:05:52 | 1:05:55 | |
east-west and north-south, is upheld
cars imported into the US which | 1:05:55 | 1:05:55 | |
would include cars coming from the
would include cars coming from the | 1:05:55 | 1:05:59 | |
UK, Jaguar Land Rover brought over
100,000 into the US. If he makes | 1:05:59 | 1:06:06 | |
UK, Jaguar Land Rover brought over
good on the threat of 10% tariffs, | 1:06:06 | 1:06:06 | |
what will the UK do about that? At | 1:06:06 | 1:06:10 | |
good on the threat of 10% tariffs,
the moment we are part of the EU and | 1:06:10 | 1:06:12 | |
would be talking with the commission
would be talking with the commission | 1:06:12 | 1:06:16 | |
and European partners about our
collective response to this. I just | 1:06:16 | 1:06:20 | |
think that the United States is not
taking an advisable course. Trade | 1:06:20 | 1:06:30 | |
wars don't do anybody any good. But
you know there's every possibility | 1:06:30 | 1:06:35 | |
Donald will go with this so what | 1:06:35 | 1:06:42 | |
you know there's every possibility
would the EU do? We would have to | 1:06:42 | 1:06:44 | |
you know there's every possibility
see what happens. There's a lot of | 1:06:44 | 1:06:46 | |
concern recently about something
comparable as regards to aviation | 1:06:46 | 1:06:50 | |
and the aircraft we produced in part
in Belfast and the American | 1:06:50 | 1:06:54 | |
authorities at the end of the day to | 1:06:54 | 1:06:57 | |
in Belfast and the American
drop back down and said no, | 1:06:57 | 1:07:01 | |
not the way we should be going. We
tried in Britain in the 1960s | 1:07:01 | 1:07:03 | |
getting our car industry from
competition. It didn't work, it | 1:07:03 | 1:07:08 | |
protected inefficiencies, we lost
all our export markets because | 1:07:08 | 1:07:14 | |
protected inefficiencies, we lost
competitors went out and gobble them | 1:07:14 | 1:07:17 | |
up and the car industry had to | 1:07:17 | 1:07:19 | |
through a very painful restructuring
up and the car industry had to | 1:07:19 | 1:07:20 | |
through a very painful restructuring
to get to the success story it is | 1:07:20 | 1:07:21 | |
now.
Once we have left the European Union | 1:07:21 | 1:07:26 | |
and customs union, we will | 1:07:26 | 1:07:28 | |
Once we have left the European Union
to respond to a tariff or trade war | 1:07:28 | 1:07:30 | |
to respond to a tariff or trade war
like this entirely differently so if | 1:07:30 | 1:07:33 | |
to respond to a tariff or trade war
this were happening in three years, | 1:07:33 | 1:07:34 | |
what would the British government be
able to do in response to American | 1:07:34 | 1:07:39 | |
president threatening tariffs? That
is likely piling hypothesis on | 1:07:39 | 1:07:44 | |
hypothesis, but it would also depend
in part on the nature | 1:07:44 | 1:07:48 | |
hypothesis, but it would also depend
agreement that I hope we | 1:07:48 | 1:07:50 | |
hypothesis, but it would also depend
with the EU on industrial goods and | 1:07:50 | 1:07:52 | |
cross-border supply chains but we | 1:07:52 | 1:07:55 | |
with the EU on industrial goods and
would be free to impose our own | 1:07:55 | 1:07:56 | |
trade defence measures against | 1:07:56 | 1:07:58 | |
would be free to impose our own
country that is trying | 1:07:58 | 1:08:01 | |
would be free to impose our own
the UK market and the bill is | 1:08:01 | 1:08:02 | |
the UK market and the bill is
currently going through Parliament | 1:08:02 | 1:08:04 | |
the UK market and the bill is
will give the UK authorities the | 1:08:04 | 1:08:06 | |
power to do just that. David
Lidington, thanks for talking to us | 1:08:06 | 1:08:10 | |
this morning. We will now turn to
our expert Anil and what they think | 1:08:10 | 1:08:18 | |
it means for the future. Steve, this
idea of the potential of | 1:08:18 | 1:08:24 | |
it means for the future. Steve, this
battle going on between the EU and | 1:08:24 | 1:08:26 | |
it means for the future. Steve, this
US takes us to part of whether the | 1:08:26 | 1:08:28 | |
UK can make up its own responses,
doesn't it? Yes, and it's very | 1:08:28 | 1:08:34 | |
interesting David Lidington saying
we are leaping several hurdles here | 1:08:34 | 1:08:39 | |
because he hopes that post Brexit
the UK and the EU are lined terms of | 1:08:39 | 1:08:47 | |
other sectors. Whether they get that
sector by sector deal is highly | 1:08:47 | 1:08:52 | |
questionable so that's one of the | 1:08:52 | 1:08:54 | |
sector by sector deal is highly
several hoops that it is | 1:08:54 | 1:08:56 | |
sector by sector deal is highly
to navigate. If you have a president | 1:08:56 | 1:09:00 | |
sector by sector deal is highly
of the United States who is a | 1:09:00 | 1:09:02 | |
sector by sector deal is highly
protectionist butting up tariffs, | 1:09:02 | 1:09:03 | |
that | 1:09:03 | 1:09:05 | |
protectionist butting up tariffs,
of the world. No country operates | 1:09:05 | 1:09:08 | |
alone in this global market. That is
the harsh reality. It has been lost | 1:09:08 | 1:09:15 | |
sometimes in arguments | 1:09:15 | 1:09:16 | |
the harsh reality. It has been lost
sovereignty and Britain going it | 1:09:16 | 1:09:17 | |
sovereignty and Britain going it
alone and the rest of it. It | 1:09:17 | 1:09:21 | |
sovereignty and Britain going it
immediate impact on | 1:09:21 | 1:09:23 | |
sovereignty and Britain going it
country and they are partly | 1:09:23 | 1:09:24 | |
sovereignty and Britain going it
powerless to do very much about it. | 1:09:24 | 1:09:27 | |
Is Donald Trump threatening this is
a clearer example as to why Britain | 1:09:27 | 1:09:35 | |
Is Donald Trump threatening this is
needs to leave the customs union, | 1:09:35 | 1:09:39 | |
Isabel? I think | 1:09:39 | 1:09:41 | |
needs to leave the customs union,
better deal with the EU than Donald | 1:09:41 | 1:09:43 | |
Trump | 1:09:43 | 1:09:49 | |
Trump does. Trump hates the EU, he
doesn't hate Britain, he wants | 1:09:49 | 1:09:53 | |
doesn't hate Britain, he wants
things to work well for us. He has | 1:09:53 | 1:09:58 | |
doesn't hate Britain, he wants
been very consistent about that and | 1:09:58 | 1:10:00 | |
always said America first so I
agree, it is possible he will go | 1:10:00 | 1:10:04 | |
ahead with this but also equally it
is possible that we will | 1:10:04 | 1:10:09 | |
ahead with this but also equally it
something very positive with the US. | 1:10:09 | 1:10:11 | |
ahead with this but also equally it
We did promise we will talk about | 1:10:11 | 1:10:13 | |
something other than Brexit for
something other than Brexit for | 1:10:13 | 1:10:15 | |
small parts of the programme so
small parts of the programme so | 1:10:15 | 1:10:17 | |
let's pick up on the housing
announcement coming tomorrow from | 1:10:17 | 1:10:19 | |
the Government. It feels like | 1:10:19 | 1:10:22 | |
announcement coming tomorrow from
six months or so the Government will | 1:10:22 | 1:10:27 | |
-- promised they will build more
homes, and I being cynical? I think | 1:10:27 | 1:10:31 | |
what they are promising now is
exactly what they promised in the | 1:10:31 | 1:10:36 | |
what they are promising now is
White Paper on housing, this is just | 1:10:36 | 1:10:38 | |
fleshing it out. It is the exact
same announcement. That said, what's | 1:10:38 | 1:10:44 | |
quite good about this, to some | 1:10:44 | 1:10:46 | |
same announcement. That said, what's
extent I think the language is too | 1:10:46 | 1:10:48 | |
aggressive about councils and that
is what Labour is picking up on. For | 1:10:48 | 1:10:54 | |
a long time, politicians have
focused on things which are demand | 1:10:54 | 1:10:59 | |
side in the housing market because
it is sexier. Help to buy, right to | 1:10:59 | 1:11:05 | |
buy, and yet they can exacerbate the
problem because if anything while | 1:11:05 | 1:11:08 | |
helping a few | 1:11:08 | 1:11:11 | |
problem because if anything while
pushing up prices potentially. What | 1:11:11 | 1:11:13 | |
problem because if anything while
they are doing here unapologetically | 1:11:13 | 1:11:14 | |
is focusing on the supply side and
that's what they need to do. It | 1:11:14 | 1:11:19 | |
isn't very sexy, it is not on every
front page today, the speech | 1:11:19 | 1:11:22 | |
tomorrow won't have as much of an
effect as the speech on Friday but | 1:11:22 | 1:11:28 | |
this is probably one of the biggest
crisis facing the country. Probably | 1:11:28 | 1:11:32 | |
something voters care more about
than Brexit? And the timing of this | 1:11:32 | 1:11:38 | |
is very interesting, coming up to
local elections in London Tories are | 1:11:38 | 1:11:42 | |
expected to do very badly. Sadiq
Khan's record on housing is | 1:11:42 | 1:11:47 | |
extremely questionable to say the | 1:11:47 | 1:11:49 | |
Khan's record on housing is
least and I think this is | 1:11:49 | 1:11:51 | |
Khan's record on housing is
where the Tory party senses it | 1:11:51 | 1:11:55 | |
Khan's record on housing is
be more proactive. Is there enough | 1:11:55 | 1:11:56 | |
Khan's record on housing is
oxygen in the room | 1:11:56 | 1:11:58 | |
Khan's record on housing is
concentrate on housing for voters to | 1:11:58 | 1:12:00 | |
get the message or ministers to push | 1:12:00 | 1:12:04 | |
concentrate on housing for voters to
this through? Voters have got the | 1:12:04 | 1:12:07 | |
message. Grandparents understand it
even if they don't want house | 1:12:07 | 1:12:11 | |
building near them because their
grandchildren cannot buy because | 1:12:11 | 1:12:14 | |
they cannot afford to in certain
parts of the country so everybody | 1:12:14 | 1:12:19 | |
agrees about the ens, we need more
housing, it is just another means. I | 1:12:19 | 1:12:24 | |
housing, it is just another means. I
completely agree that right to buy | 1:12:24 | 1:12:27 | |
doesn't address the issue of more
housing. This does partly but I | 1:12:27 | 1:12:31 | |
think the cabinet needs a housing
minister in the Cabinet accountable | 1:12:31 | 1:12:35 | |
and to say right, we are going to | 1:12:35 | 1:12:39 | |
minister in the Cabinet accountable
build this number through various | 1:12:39 | 1:12:40 | |
minister in the Cabinet accountable
means and I am accountable to | 1:12:40 | 1:12:42 | |
minister in the Cabinet accountable
sure it happens. It needs that | 1:12:42 | 1:12:46 | |
minister in the Cabinet accountable
of focus. At the same time as | 1:12:46 | 1:12:48 | |
Brexit, it should be housing? Yes,
they have the right issue. There are | 1:12:48 | 1:12:53 | |
many issues, Brexit is sucking up to
much energy. There are tonnes of | 1:12:53 | 1:12:59 | |
many issues, Brexit is sucking up to
shoes we should be focusing on but | 1:12:59 | 1:13:00 | |
this is one of them. Excellent,
thank you for coming in. | 1:13:00 | 1:13:08 | |
Join me again next Sunday
at 11am here on BBC One. | 1:13:08 | 1:13:10 | |
Until then, bye-bye. | 1:13:10 | 1:13:17 |