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Morning, welcome to the veritable pot pourri that is this morning's

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Sunday Politics. We have Alastair Charmichael. We'll ask him what he

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has that his predecessor Michael Moore hadn't. Ken Clarke just keeps

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going on and on and on. He'll bang his drum for Europe.

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Free of the shackles of Government, former Energy Secretary Chris Huhne

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will be with us. We'll ask him for the inside scoop.

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in the Midlands: We could work Diane

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in the Midlands: We could work harder and we want to work harder.

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says we've misunderstood the problem of human trafficking and that men

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are the forgotten victims. of human trafficking and that men

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pundits who we try to shuffle out of a job but failed miserably, Mick

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watt, Miranda Green Andijan an Ganesh. They'll Tweet like mad as if

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Is Ed Miliband's Labour Party moving chid owe Cabinet reshuffle was seen

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a a shift to the lot of. Two have announced policy changes which could

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Pensions Secretary Rachel Reeves says Labour will be tougher on the

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Tories. While Tristram Hunt says Labour loves Tory-style free schools

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after all. Here he is on the BBC viewers. If you are a group of

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parents, social entrepreneurs, teachers, interested in setting

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parents, social entrepreneurs, school in areas where you need new

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school place, the Labour Government will be on your side. That's free

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enterprise and innovation. It will will be on your side. That's free

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be in areas of need. We have a school places crisis going on. It

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teachers in these schools. And accountability. What is going on

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with the Al Madina school is because of terrible mistakes with Michael

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changed, the change of tone is I'm not sure if the policies have

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changed, the change of tone is remarkable, both on welfare and

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changed, the change of tone is schools. A significant change of

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reshuffle on the Labour frontbench last week was init wered as a purge

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of Blair rights. It seemed to be a purge of anti-reform thinking.

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Rachel Reeves was not saying anythi different on substance but saying

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Labour will be tough than the Tories on welfare. You've seen that clip

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from Tristram, free schools will be allowed to be set up in areas of

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need. Greater oversight. But a completely different change of tone,

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we are on the side of parents and social entrepreneurs who want to set

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these up. A different change. Why are they doing this? On education,

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polarised. You've had the Michael department. This weekend, we've

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polarised. You've had the Michael leaked memos from one of Michael

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Gove's advisers which are extreme views about the state of education.

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And on the other side teaching unions. It hasn't led to a healthy

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debate which represents what parents want out of schools or employers.

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This is a huge move from the Labour Party to sound more reasonable.

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This is a huge move from the Labour have been silent on education which

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is a huge policy area on the left. Is this a focus group-driven change?

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They've seen the polls. Welfare reforms are hugery popular and free

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only apiece the focus groups by changing the policy substantially. I

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always thought a test for this Labour reshuffle was not whether Ed

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Miliband would promote Blair rights, it is clear he did, it is whether

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they would be allowed to be Blair rights. When Stephen Twigg carried

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the education portfolio it was clear his own views were closer to the

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Government than he was allowed to let on. He was constrained. There is

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no point of giving Tristram Hunt this job if he is not allowed to say

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what he thinks. I wouldn't mind betting privately he thinks free

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schools should be available beyond just areas of need. He hasn't yet

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defined need. It could be, we've run schools are so bad we need schools.

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If that is it, it is the same Asics itsing Government policy. In they

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unsatisfactory that's no different. He wanted to say he was in favour of

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higher educational standards and rigour, he had to tell the audience

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he has a Cambridge PhD to attack Michael Gove. That was difficult for

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Tristram Hunt he had to mention that. Is that worth something, a PhD

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from Cambridge? Obviously to him it is. He said they would demand proper

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teaching qualifications. That could teaching? Independent schools do not

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have to have teachers with formal teaching qualifications. I've never

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been to one? What about you? That decision by Michael Gove to allow

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free schools to employ nonunionised and non-trained people, so he has to

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Watch this space. The dust settled after the party resufficients. Do

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the Tories look a bit more like Britain. Do the Tories look more

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#4 With reshuffles, you're never really certain. There's whispers,

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rumours, guesses. But the only way to know it is underway is keeping

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beady eyes on a front door. Up until now, the only way we knew who was in

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and who was out was who came walking down this bit of Downing Street

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and who was out was who came walking a smile on their face after going to

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see the boss. The once who are to be sacked, they usually go round the

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back. Not this time. No, something new alerted us all. The-PM started

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can't remember a triple decker reshuffle where you've three parties

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changing ministerial teams at the resufficient happened on Twitter.

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Not that the press stopped watching the door as well. News was a bit

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Charmichael replaced Michael Moore, the first to be pounced on. I'm

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disappointed to be leaving office now but pleased at what I've been

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able to achieve in the last couple of years. Not as pleased as one

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imagines as the man receiving the welcome that went on, and on and

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simultaneously having Jeremy Browne, in a sense seen off the premises of

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the Home Office in conspiracy to let # Blowing hi Jude through a traffic

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Democrats. We tend to think they are herbivorous. Sacking a Cabinet

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Minister, another minister, Jeremy Browne. By lunch time, the Tory

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ranks were shifting too. The PM Browne. By lunch time, the Tory

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to boost the numbers of telegenic women walking into Government and

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turning perceptions around. He tipped a so-called flatcap to men

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backgrounds with room for some which fitted neither label but are friends

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of George Osborne. And, all the while, those new Tory ministers

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of George Osborne. And, all the learning of Labour's changes. Labour

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too knows the value of new young blood striding into the limelight.

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Again some with TV experience of that. Tristram Hunt and Gloria de

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peer row would be hard to describe as hard left. But Blairbrushing

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peer row would be hard to describe past out of the picture seemed to be

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the name of the day. Liam Byrne With Diane Abbott also gone, was

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this really a Blair right cull? It depends what you mean. Blair right

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used to mean someone who wanted depends what you mean. Blair right

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Blair to be leader of the Labour Party. Somebody who worked closely

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with him. Now it means sometimes people who believe in a certain

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with him. Now it means sometimes of ideologyies or ideas. There are

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still very much those kind of Blair rights within the party. But we

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still very much those kind of Blair seeing the group around Tony Blair

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are not long assassin flew enjoys as they once were. By evening, it was

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over. New bees were sharing the ministers quietly thanked commits

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raters. Or -- commiserators. Or ministers quietly thanked commits

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disified. How much much someone standing here might want it to be

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the case, you are unlikely to get someone coming out of that do going

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"how could." And running off crying! And the brand, spanking new Scottish

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Secretary Alastair Charmichael joins us from Orkney on a line that hasn't

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been used since the fleet was used in the outbreak of World War I! I

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wasn't around at the time. I'm hearing you loud and clear. Why

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wasn't around at the time. I'm you agreed to run a department?

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wasn't around at the time. I'm you wanted to abolish six years

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wasn't around at the time. I'm Hello? Maybe our connections are not

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Charmichael. Can you hear me? I Hello? Maybe our connections are not

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hear you now. There was a nasty second there where you disappeared.

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Let me try the question again. Why have you agreed to run a department

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you wanted to abolish six years have you agreed to run a department

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Because this is the, probably one of the most important jobs in British

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politics at the moment. To ensure that Scotland remains part of the

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UK. Even when I was talking about the reconfiguration of rep sen Taigs

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of Scotland -- representation of Scotland within Whitehall, there was

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always a job to be done. That is true in spades now. I will focus on

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making sure the UK Government has a real voice in that debate. What

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making sure the UK Government has a you that Michael Moore didn't have?

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Look, I think Michael Moore did you that Michael Moore didn't have?

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excellent job. The work he did delivering the Edinburgh agreement

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clear legal and decisive referendum, the work delivering extra powers to

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substantial piece of work. I'm not friend of mine. I will say that

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substantial piece of work. I'm not we go forward into this, this is now

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about the actual debate itself. we go forward into this, this is now

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will be putting the case, with some passion, I hope, for Scotland to

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just some abstract debate about nationhood, sovereignty, this is a

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their livelihoods, the cost of their mortgage. That and an awful lot

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challenge. I understand that. But if you're being put in there to save

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the union, every pole has the no -- poll has the no campaign margin

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alley ahead. Mr Moore was doing pretty well to save the union. I

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suspect you've been given the job to Scotland? And lieu, you misread

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suspect you've been given the job to situation if you -- Andrew, you

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misread the situation new think anybody is going to be the person

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who will save the union. The people who will save the union are the

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people of Scotland if they turn who will save the union are the

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next year and vote to save the union. We have to put the case for

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that. That is what I will be doing. Look at the position of your own

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party. You came fourth in the last Scottish parentry elections. You

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were even behind the Conservatives. The latest poll has you still in

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fourth. Are you there because you're a bruiser and you will pep up the

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Liberal Democrats opportunity in Scotland. If I had a pound for

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everybody to referred to me as being Scotland. If I had a pound for

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a bruiser, I wouldn't need to be sitting here this morning. I could

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have retired by now. The truth of this, if I can address it once and

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for all, I have done probably one of the most complex and subtle jobs in

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three-and-a-half years, Liberal Democrat Chief Whip in a Coalition

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survived in that job a week, let alone three-and-a-half years, if I

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was the sort of person who went around picking unnecessary fights.

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So, can we just please forget about this business about being a bruiser.

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As far as the position of the party in the polls, this is true also

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As far as the position of the party the referendum vote, opinion polls

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are a snapshot. They are not a prediction of what will happen in

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the future. I will be out there putting the case. Neither the next

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election nor the referendum is one or lost yet. One of the things I

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really want to be guarding against because we are a good margin ahead

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today, 12 months out from the actual polling day, that it is in the bag.

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Believe me, Andrew, it is not. As you know, wasn't for the Liberal

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Democrats. Not just talking about the polls. You came fourth in the

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You said you were happy to facial ex-Salmond in a TV debade. Should

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David Cameron face him? I am happy debate. Should David Cameron face

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him? No, because that allows Alex Nationalists to portray this as

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him? No, because that allows Alex sort of contest or choice between a

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vision of Scottish social democracy and English conservativism, which it

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is not. This is a debate that has to is not. This is a debate that has to

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be held in Scotland about the future of Scotland amongst Scots. David

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Cameron has a very important part in Scotland's public life, but he is

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not Scottish and I think he will accept Commies edit himself in fact,

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the person who should be debating Darling. He has got a Scottish name

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wealthiest of Scotland at some stage in the past. Anyway, you described

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the campaign to keep the union together as lacking passion, were

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you referring to the campaign or referring to Alistair Darling. I

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think what I was saying is that referring to Alistair Darling. I

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we move into this new stage, and Alistair Darling said it himself, we

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are now campaigning for people Alistair Darling said it himself, we

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hearts because if you look at the range of papers the Government has

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published, it is pretty clear the arguments lie in relation to the

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head. I am not giving up the battle for the hearts and Scotland because

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there is a good strong case, as somebody who is proud to be Scottish

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and to be British, for Scotland somebody who is proud to be Scottish

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remain part of the UK. You come somebody who is proud to be Scottish

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distilleries and I understand you celebratory drink for your new post.

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Not a drop has touched my lips. celebratory drink for your new post.

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supporting local business! I will be making up for lost time on the

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supporting local business! I will be of November, I will be doing it

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supporting local business! I will be aid of Macmillan Cancer care and if

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website, they can donate. It is worthwhile. I cannot think of a

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better cause. One Cabinet minister who many thought might get Reef

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better cause. One Cabinet minister Clarke. Welcome to Sunday Politics.

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minorities, where did you fit in? I minorities, where did you fit in? I

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would describe myself as the elder statesman, to be polite, but it

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would describe myself as the elder difficult to replace them. I enjoy

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it. It is a great privilege to have a role in Cabinet and I will carry

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on as long as David wants me to a role in Cabinet and I will carry

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I have seen many reshuffles, they are dreadful and I seem to have

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survived them so far. Did David Cameron talk to you before this

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reshuffle? No, he didn't. I would have had expected a phone call,

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asking, how do you think about stepping down, but he didn't and my

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role is one of giving my wit and wisdom to the Cabinet and meetings

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of the Security Council so he has got to put up with me a bit longer.

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You said you are going to stand again at the next election, why

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You said you are going to stand you keep going? What do you hope to

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achieve in politics? I am mostly a political anorak, I have been since

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I was very small, by the process of politics but the older I get I get

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governance of the country and at the moment the combination of problems

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is quite appalling. The difficulty of tackling the modern world is

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is quite appalling. The difficulty difficult and I find it fascinating.

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The old argument that attracts every decent person into politics, you

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might be able sometimes to make decent person into politics, you

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bit of difference, and I try to decent person into politics, you

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that. I try not to hark back on decent person into politics, you

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experience but we will have a lot of tough problems which I think the

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Conservative Government will have to tackle. You opposed referenda on

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Maastricht, the Lisbon Treaty, you were even against one on Britain

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adopting the euro. It must follow that you are against the referenda

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on Britain's membership to the EU? I accountable to the long-term and

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representatives, but this is a minority now and my colleagues have

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firmly decided a referendum needs to be held to settle the question of

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Britain's relationship with the European Union which I think is

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Britain's relationship with the of the most important things in

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Britain's place in the modern world politicians are able to look after

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the living standards, the economy, the safety against terrorism. Last

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the living standards, the economy, summer you said that only extreme

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nationalists wanted a silly EU referendum. It follows your party

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must be full of extremely silly nationalists. The people who are

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desperate to have a referendum are all the people who actually want to

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referendum will involve the public and people like me have got to get

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across to the public, don't just feel angry about the last thing

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across to the public, don't just read in the newspaper about what the

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commission is or is not doing, do commission is or is not doing, do

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bear in mind this is our base in the modern world. We happen to be a

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leading member, almost as valuable and rich as the Americans, from

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influence in events. That is not just how the politicians get on

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influence in events. That is not politicians look after us when we

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spilling over from the Middle East, or we face public services being

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threatened. You didn't even turn up to vote for the bill which will

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threatened. You didn't even turn up engagements on the Friday concerned.

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It seemed to get through without my participation. You didn't want to be

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seen voting for something your heart Look, many of your colleagues I

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seen voting for something your heart interviewed say that if the choice

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was between the state -- the status quo with the European Union and

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leaving, they would leave. The truth is that you would vote to stay in

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even on the status quo, wouldn't supporting the EU to leave now if I

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got chance. I think our economy supporting the EU to leave now if I

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investment, as in Washington last been if we were outside the EU.

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investment, as in Washington last week. We are trying to roll forward

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the prospect of free trade and I have to reassure Americans that

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the prospect of free trade and I are not likely to leave the EU to

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That is true but it also needs reform. The cry for reform, which is

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particularly Germany, is a good reform. The cry for reform, which is

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Even if David Cameron came back reform. The cry for reform, which is

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nothing from Brussels, you would still vote to stay in, correct?

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one which is dwindling in comparison with others, in the modern world it

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would be dangerous. I also think the dangers of the Middle East and the

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dangers of some of the countries disengage. I will take that as a

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strengthen the case, and of some members of the public don't agree

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persuaded when David delivers his reforms. The latest poll gives

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Labour a ten point lead over the Tories and the reason why it has a

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ten point lead is because UKIP are up there with 18% of the vote and

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ten point lead is because UKIP are the Tory vote has slumped in the

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Paul to 27%. How would you see off UKIP? By saying you need a strong

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Paul to 27%. How would you see off and effective Government. We faced

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terrible problems. Every Government I have been in has been behind in

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the polls. This Government is not as popular as the previous Government I

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have served in under the three previous prime ministers. When you

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get an election, people have to previous prime ministers. When you

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themselves who do we want to decide the issues of war and peace in this

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country? Who do we want to get us out of our economic problems. I

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don't think Ed Miliband is up to it. That generalised stuff will not

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don't think Ed Miliband is up to it. off UKIP. People will not listen to

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that. When people answer an opinion poll, they tell you how annoyed

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that. When people answer an opinion are by something that has recently

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upset them, but people are more sensible than this. Every Government

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I have served in has been behind in the polls. At a general election you

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have to mobilise the public to start thinking, who do we want to govern

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us? They did take over a calamitous important problems to be decided

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going forward. UKIP represents anti-immigration, anti-foreigners,

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anti-Europe, anti-politics but I don't think it will get 18% of the

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Thank you. Once upon a time, a politician whose career ended in

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disgrace might choose to lie low for a while, perhaps to spend a bit

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disgrace might choose to lie low for time tending the tulips and doing

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the odd bit of charity work. Not Chris Huhne. He walked free from

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prison only five months ago but Chris Huhne. He walked free from

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former Energy Secretary is already back in the public eye - a column in

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the Guardian, a job with a renewable interview. So is he working on a

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political rehabilitation? Chris Politics. The answer to that is

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clearly know, and thank you for inviting me back. You have set your

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career in politics is over so what does the future hold for you? I

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career in politics is over so what happy doing what I am doing, I am

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passionate about green energy and climate change, so I am doing things

:27:57.:28:03.

on that front in terms of business non-governmental organisations,

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on that front in terms of business I am doing a column for the Guardian

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on Mondays. You obviously get a I am doing a column for the Guardian

:28:09.:28:14.

of material from the Sunday Politics to write about. Have you embarked on

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political rehabilitation? It was clear from the point of view of

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political rehabilitation? It was George when I was sentenced, he

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rehabilitating you, because I had not offended for ten years, it was

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actually about stopping people like you, Andrew, Ron doing the same

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thing. It was a deterrent effect for the public. That is I think why

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thing. It was a deterrent effect for prosecution was brought. I had not

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offended for ten years on this, rehabilitate yourself in the public?

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coalition to the bitter end? Or should they re-establish their own

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Coalition agreement is for the whole Parliament, and the Lib Dems are

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going to stay, and should stay. What would be a good result for the Lib

:29:30.:29:33.

Dems in 2015? The loss of ten, would be a good result for the Lib

:29:33.:29:41.

interesting election because I think you will have essentially three

:29:41.:29:46.

party leaders, all of whom are negative ratings so it will be a

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battle between the walking wounded. In those circumstances, in my view,

:29:55.:30:01.

the Lib Dems can come out very well. But you will lose seats, won't

:30:01.:30:10.

you? It is far too early to say. If the Liberal Democrats do badly in

:30:10.:30:15.

next year's European elections, you could come fourth on fifth behind

:30:15.:30:20.

the Greens. Will Nick Clegg's leadership be in jeopardy? I've been

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in countless cycles where we've had very low poll ratings. The normal

:30:26.:30:32.

pickup to the subsequent general election on average has been 10

:30:32.:30:37.

percentage points. So he's not in jeopardy? I think Nick will be there

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at the next general election. I think he'll lead the party into the

:30:41.:30:45.

next general election. I expect we'll do much better than most

:30:45.:30:52.

people think. If we are heading for another hung Parliament, which is

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what the Liberal Democrats want. Let's be honest, you'd rather be in

:30:54.:30:59.

coalition with the Labour Party than have a repeat of the Conservatives?

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One of the key things I sawed to colleagues, whatever your personal

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preference, I used to be a Labour Party member, you can derive from

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that I'm on the left of centre of the party. I always said to my

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colleagues in the party, it is absolutely

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colleagues in the party, it is the we are in politics because we

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are Liberal Democrats, not because we are either Conservatives or

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second best Labour. If you don't take that view, you don't have any

:31:26.:31:32.

bargaining position when it comes to coalition. You have to be able,

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genuinely, to do a coalition with either of the other parties. I

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understand that, but you'd prefer Labour? Your personal preference

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really should not come into this. It is about making sure you get the

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best possible deal for the things that your voters have voted for. If

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you get that with one party rather than another, that's fine. You stand

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up for Liberal Democrat values, not for Conservative or Labour second

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best values. You said you're keeping up your interest in energy matters.

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Is Ed Miliband right to promise a temporary price freeze? There's been

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pop ewe louse posturing. It is not a sensible policy. It was tried in

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California in 2,000 and 2001 which led to blackouts. We had the Prime

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Minister promising we should sift everybody automatically to the

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lowest possible tariff. So unfortunately we're at the stage in

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the political cycle where we are getting clap trap. You're against

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the freeze? It is a bad idea when we are trying to encourage investment.

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When the market can give us some of the lowest gas and electricity

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prices in Europe. Britain has son-in-law of the lowest? Not our

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base price? The other European Ian prices are only higher because they

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put a lot more taxes on to it? Our base energy prices are among the

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highest in Europe? No, if you look at EU comparisons in what goes out

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to people's households. That's after all the taxes have been put on them?

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to people's households. That's after . The Conservatives are claiming

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there are —— are. Congratulations to Steve

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McCabe recently appointed children's minister. It is a job I look forward

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to doing. It is quite a lot of work involved. Elizabeth job on child

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protection? Yes, I think we have to go back to fundamentals on that. ——

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there is an big job on child protection. Yes, we need to

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concentrate on the task. Liam Byrne moves out of the Shadow Cabinet,

:37:48.:37:53.

there is no place on the opposition front bench for someone is widely it

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as Pat Macfadyen, isn't this a terrible waste of talent? I am not

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sure that is true. I think Liam has got a big job to do in higher

:38:10.:38:16.

education. I was talking to him recently. He is quite committed. It

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is fanciful to think there has been up urge. I think it is we in just in

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of people. —— it is fancy double think there has been up purge. It is

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a readjustment of the ball. Do you fancy moving up to the leadership? I

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am quite happy doing the job I am doing but I am happy to see women

:38:52.:38:55.

getting promoted in the House of Commons. I am really light Karen

:38:55.:39:03.

Bradley has had promotion. The economic secretary has moved up to

:39:03.:39:07.

the financial Secretary and I think we will see a great deal of him

:39:07.:39:15.

doing very well. Politics does seem to be male dominated? Women are

:39:15.:39:21.

coming in and more women are standing as MPs. It is all good

:39:21.:39:28.

stuff. For the moment, find you both. Now coming up: In the drive

:39:28.:39:35.

for renewable energy is our countryside about to be carpeted

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wall—to—wall with solar panels? More on this later. There will be

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political buzzwords of our times. Cost of living crisis. Hard—working

:39:45.:39:52.

people. Many Midlanders with the only too happy to work harder at all

:39:52.:39:57.

they can find is part—time work or no work at all. We have discovered

:39:57.:40:01.

the hidden casualties of the downturn, those who are

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underemployed. We will see if the political slogans have any real

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meaning or if they are just empty words. What is in a word? If that

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word is work, it depends where you put this word. Both the government

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and the opposition are spelling out how much they are on the side of

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working people. What if you are somebody who is working hard but

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cannot get the work? People like this man who is an electrician and a

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dad of four. He would like to work more hours if he had the chance. All

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he can get is temporary work. Several jobs have aimed from one

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week to the next. I never know where I am. It is at the drop of a hat. I

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might be one of 20 lads sub contracting and that is how it is.

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Time for another word. David Cameron told us there were 27,000 more

:41:15.:41:18.

people employed now than four years ago. What if you are one of the

:41:18.:41:23.

people considered to be underemployed? They are the people

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currently in part time or temporary jobs who cannot find full—time work.

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In our 167,000 of them in the West Midlands according to the latest

:41:36.:41:42.

figures. That is on top of the 267,000 people here who are

:41:42.:41:47.

unemployed in the region. This 21—year—old sees himself as another

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of the underemployed. He is showing me around his friend's flat. This is

:41:52.:41:57.

where he has been staying because he cannot afford a place of his own on

:41:57.:42:07.

just 22 hours per week. You just seem to be like a text that says you

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have got a job but there is no thought into how many hours and they

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pay. —— had been kicked. It is no consideration for somebody who has

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got a part—time job. —— a green tick. Should the focus we were

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taking this word off the table and replacing it with this one? I am

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joined by a Human Resource Manager from the University business School.

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He has worked as an adviser to public and private sector to

:42:49.:42:54.

companies and the reconciliation service. There is evidence that they

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are covering is startling. On the evidence before us here they are

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hundreds of thousands of Midlanders that we are not seeing the benefits

:43:04.:43:12.

for. We have several million people across the country who are willing

:43:12.:43:16.

to work hard, you do have skills. The Libra Park it —— the labour

:43:16.:43:21.

market is truly inefficient in this country. What you need is a clear

:43:21.:43:27.

land investment over the next few years. You cannot just allow the

:43:27.:43:32.

market to do what it wants because that leads to chaos. You need to

:43:32.:43:36.

invest in skills and infrastructure. It needs to be

:43:36.:43:40.

quarter dated regionally and nationally. —— coordinated. As long

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as you have low wages, you will continue to have the cycle of

:43:51.:43:59.

decline. This government and future governments will have to bear down

:43:59.:44:05.

on the debt and deficit. Of course you can borrow some money at this

:44:05.:44:09.

time, at any time, to get out of recession. The alternative is that

:44:09.:44:16.

it just gets deeper and deeper. You have to break the cycle of

:44:16.:44:21.

deprivation. You have to give people hope and the security in the job

:44:21.:44:27.

market. I wonder if what you are seeing is, —— saying levels of

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employment are sluggish, should you be a separate economic policy for

:44:42.:44:47.

the West Midlands? There should the regional differences. It is not

:44:47.:44:52.

sluggish computer parts of the country in the North but it is

:44:52.:44:56.

sluggish computer the south—east. What we need is some deep

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investment. —— compute to the south—east. —— compared. What would

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you saying to the professor who says we need major investment? I would

:45:19.:45:27.

say we are seeing a cycle of growth. We saw Jaguar Land Rover. We have

:45:28.:45:33.

seen just today accompanying Warwickshire with 350 new jobs.

:45:33.:45:41.

There are some people that would like to have full—time job and only

:45:41.:45:46.

have part—time jobs that we should not be tried part—time jobs. I have

:45:46.:45:52.

them avoid people on a park time basis because that suits them, the

:45:52.:45:56.

picture lonely mothers with young children. There are nevertheless

:45:56.:46:01.

many people who want to work full—time who cannot? Say

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absolutely. There are 37,000 new job in the region which are full—time

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jobs. When I talk to small companies that want to grow and are gradually

:46:16.:46:20.

taking on more people, I think that is very encouraging. This a jobless

:46:20.:46:26.

density is going to persist into the next Parliament, a future Libra

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condiment would not be able to weave a checkup this problem. —— Libra

:46:31.:46:37.

government could not weave check out this problem. One in ten working

:46:37.:46:46.

people report themselves as not having enough hours to make ends

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meet. These are 1 million people on 01 contracts, not all voluntary.

:46:54.:46:59.

What we have to do is concentrate on pushing the living wage with

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companies that will do that. We have a better targeted programme for

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young people and the bias towards apprenticeships for young people. We

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have to stop the scandals of people preventing for from working or

:47:14.:47:20.

deliberately undercutting hours. That is not acceptable. Isn't there

:47:20.:47:26.

a danger that when the level of output increases the lawyers

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wilderness warned by simply adding to the hours of people who are

:47:30.:47:34.

working part—time at the moment rather than taking people in off the

:47:34.:47:44.

unemployment queue. —— employers would simply add to the hours. I

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think those hours will increase as we get more and more growth. Better

:47:52.:48:05.

job like that than no job? As you score by you have lost the time, the

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hard work and the expedients. —— as years go by. —— the expedients.

:48:11.:48:18.

Jaguar Land Rover and other multinationals will need even more

:48:18.:48:23.

jobs when they are convinced there is stable growth in the area with

:48:23.:48:39.

better and skilled workers. Could a giant solar farm be coming to a

:48:39.:48:44.

field near you? The government wants a tenfold increase in the amount of

:48:44.:48:49.

power generated you from the sun within the next decade. With solar

:48:49.:48:59.

power already blamed for pushing up energy bills, how great is the

:48:59.:49:09.

outlook? Here is our correspondence. This region is at the sharp end of a

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soul. The locals seem happy enough. It is quite a good proposal. The

:49:18.:49:26.

largest is being planned at a quarterly in Burton on Trent. 62,500

:49:26.:49:33.

solar panels. In Shropshire there are 35,000 panels planned. When

:49:33.:49:43.

built and if the sun is shining, for schemes will provide about half of

:49:43.:49:54.

shoes breathe's energy needs. Panel costs are dropping. —— Shrewsbury.

:49:54.:50:06.

We have had to respond to the supply chain with rapidly falling costs.

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They are having to rapidly incorporate opportunities for solar

:50:12.:50:16.

energy into the plans for a diverse renewable energy economy. As solar

:50:16.:50:22.

makes a surprising return to our energy mix, some say declared just

:50:22.:50:33.

cannot take it. There was a big connection issue. Only 7000 houses

:50:33.:50:46.

worth of electricity could be taken. There is concern and something has

:50:46.:50:50.

to be done. At a solar conference in Birmingham this week, the minister

:50:50.:50:56.

insisted we can call with the change. As we roll out more solar

:50:56.:51:03.

across the country we will see a greater level of investment in the

:51:03.:51:08.

grade. That is a rolling investment programme. We do not have to put it

:51:08.:51:14.

in right now. As solar grows, the group will react. Worries about the

:51:14.:51:21.

great make long—term planning a tricky prospect. —— they did. You

:51:21.:51:30.

can see why ministers are pushing so hard on renewables. You within one

:51:30.:51:38.

of our big farming area is, can you see the fields surrounding your

:51:38.:51:44.

community being carpeted by solar panels soon? Honestly, I do not.

:51:44.:51:51.

They can go on roofs and I think more can be done the. I think it is

:51:51.:51:57.

worth around 500 pounds per home over a year. That is very

:51:57.:52:03.

worthwhile. I do not want to see good farmland covered in panels, I

:52:03.:52:08.

want to see it going good. Local parishes are now getting the power

:52:08.:52:13.

of planning. It is up to them to make sure they have what they want

:52:13.:52:20.

in the fields. It is helped that the price of solar panels has fallen so

:52:20.:52:25.

sharply. Your charms in the European Union have intervened to protect the

:52:25.:52:31.

market for German and Italian solar panels so they are more expensive

:52:31.:52:38.

than they would be. The German companies complained to the

:52:38.:52:41.

commission that China was dumping panels. In fact, there is a great

:52:41.:52:48.

debate going on. The tariff is under review. My personal view is that we

:52:48.:52:56.

should welcome imports. It is only through importing that we will have

:52:56.:53:00.

enough to provide the 20 gigawatts that the government is aiming at. It

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is the Plex Inc that the great —— it is Perspex —— it is a perplexing

:53:09.:53:14.

challenge that the grid should have enough capacity to take it up. There

:53:14.:53:20.

is no government commitment to solar energy. One of the first act was to

:53:20.:53:27.

cut the subsidy for tariffs. That caused chaos. The revised guidance

:53:27.:53:40.

is actually to make it harder. As we heard on your film, they are having

:53:40.:53:45.

to react because the market is changing but there is no commitment

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in any way. I think that is wrong. But they cut it. The cut in

:53:55.:54:03.

subsidies. Exactly, that was a blow to the businesses. They have given

:54:03.:54:08.

more incentive to the individual over the long term which is a better

:54:08.:54:13.

way of doing it. IQ there is panic in Whitehall because these CO2

:54:13.:54:19.

reduction object tips do not stand a chance. It is a real anxiety about

:54:19.:54:24.

how successive governments will react to them. Is that your view? I

:54:24.:54:31.

think there are problems. I think that is recognised by our government

:54:31.:54:38.

and our group in Europe. There's a problem but I we will persevere and

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I think the public except of the solar panels is so much higher than

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wind farms and other methods, we have really got to pursue this. Are

:54:49.:54:57.

the objectives achievable? Everybody has to be signed up to the same

:54:57.:55:02.

target so that every business knows what it is working on. It is the

:55:02.:55:06.

chopping and changing that is creating chaos. Now our round—up of

:55:06.:55:18.

the political week in 60 seconds. UKIP has picked its regional

:55:18.:55:23.

candidates for the European elections. Jill Seymour came top,

:55:23.:55:30.

she is a chairman in Shropshire. Members of the Treasury committee C

:55:30.:55:40.

Davies CDs shortcomings in HS two. —— say the last serious shortcomings

:55:40.:55:52.

for the new railway. And that jurors moving the goalposts? It is a wild

:55:52.:55:59.

apple. They are some great to the nation is on the web around breeding

:55:59.:56:04.

patterns. —— badgers are wild animal. And a Lib Dem MP from a

:56:04.:56:18.

heated debate over the bedroom tax. He advises those struggling to pay

:56:18.:56:24.

the rent to take in a lodger. Just a bit of fun at the expense of forward

:56:24.:56:32.

in Paterson. The Green party warned that gassing badgers would be cool.

:56:32.:56:43.

—— cruel. Did is not a question of gassing badgers but we want to

:56:43.:56:48.

extend the current pilot by two or three weeks to cull the number that

:56:48.:56:56.

were targeted. We have to wait and see what the independent panel says

:56:56.:56:59.

about the safety, the humaneness, the effect business. Dealers no

:56:59.:57:06.

doubt have to do something because that the moment we are slaughtering

:57:06.:57:10.

20,000 cattle and nobody thinks about the cattle. We have to reduce

:57:10.:57:17.

the budget population and the cull is a very good way by having a

:57:17.:57:24.

scheme to see what works. Doesn't this make you relieved that you are

:57:25.:57:34.

a Tony and not in government? Last year the cull was delayed because

:57:34.:57:41.

they were too many badgers, no they are saying they have not killed

:57:41.:57:48.

enough to cause they are too few! We must leave it here. My thanks to you

:57:48.:57:56.

both. I work now about our programme tomorrow evening. Following the

:57:56.:58:02.

recent horse meat scandal we have even on patrol with food inspectors.

:58:02.:58:06.

Find out some of the surprising discoveries that have made. That

:58:06.:58:10.

Find out some of the surprising That is all we have time for. Back

:58:10.:58:12.

to Andrew. That is all we have time for. Back

:58:12.:58:23.

ministerial team this week with That is all we have time for. Back

:58:23.:58:27.

commentators calling it the purge of the Blairites, but one poor lamb who

:58:27.:58:31.

fell victim to this perch was Diane Abbott, not somebody who worshipped

:58:31.:58:37.

at the altar of Tony Blair. Life on the backbenches means she can pursue

:58:37.:58:41.

other interests such as attending the Cheltenham literary Festival,

:58:41.:58:48.

and where she joins us now. Welcome. Why did Ed Miliband fire you? He

:58:48.:58:52.

think the thing that did it for Why did Ed Miliband fire you? He

:58:52.:58:59.

was me coming out on Syria. This was Why did Ed Miliband fire you? He

:58:59.:59:05.

a purge of the Blairites, how did you become collateral damage? I

:59:05.:59:10.

a purge of the Blairites, how did no idea but the fact that I was

:59:10.:59:12.

a purge of the Blairites, how did one member of the front bench to go

:59:12.:59:15.

public about my concerns on Syria probably tipped my enemies in the

:59:15.:59:21.

party machinery over the edge. But he went your way on Syria, in the

:59:21.:59:26.

end he agreed with your line on Syria so why would that be for

:59:26.:59:33.

dismissal? I agree with you - you're fired. Because I actually spoke

:59:33.:59:37.

dismissal? I agree with you - you're and it was the fact that I spoke up,

:59:37.:59:39.

which was like a pebble falling and it was the fact that I spoke up,

:59:39.:59:49.

forest or something. I am glad I spoke up on Syria. He doesn't like

:59:49.:59:56.

people around them than who are outspoken, who speak their minds? I

:59:56.:00:12.

think he's convinced he needs people who read from the scripts. People

:00:12.:00:15.

increasingly upset that even though who read from the scripts. People

:00:15.:00:21.

I was speaking party policy, I was reading from the script. Since Mr

:00:21.:00:27.

Miliband bid you farewell, you've said he's doing his best. Is his

:00:27.:00:34.

best good enough? I am sure it will be. I've always said the Labour

:00:34.:00:38.

Party chose the right Miliband. be. I've always said the Labour

:00:38.:00:44.

will remain loyal to him on the backbenches. You're going to be

:00:44.:00:50.

loyal? However, I want to join in the debate. You're going to be

:00:50.:00:55.

loyal? Absolutely. I was loyal both in public and private when others

:00:55.:00:59.

were bitching about him behind the from the backbenches, I hope to

:00:59.:01:05.

were bitching about him behind the involved in the debate particularly

:01:05.:01:07.

around nick policy. Et's see how loyal you are. You must be happy

:01:07.:01:12.

with all this new tough talk on welfare and free schools? Well,

:01:12.:01:20.

with all this new tough talk on think both Rachel and Tristram are

:01:20.:01:24.

very talented. We're going to have to see how this all plays out. The

:01:24.:01:28.

issue of free schools, they are to see how this all plays out. The

:01:28.:01:32.

thing. But diminishing the role to see how this all plays out. The

:01:32.:01:34.

local authorities is another. There need strong local authorities. I'm

:01:34.:01:42.

local authorities is another. There sure Tristram will be aware of that.

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As for welfare, I'm sure Rachel knows some of the cuts the Tories

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have made have been counter prod ublingtive in -- productive in terms

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of spending. You wouldn't call that your full-hearted endorsement, would

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you? What are you on, and lieu? your full-hearted endorsement, would

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haven't seen the detail of Rachel's new position. You have to wait and

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see the detail. It is in the papers. You haven't stopped reading the

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papers. It was the Observer. When will you announce you're running for

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Mayor of London? I have no plans to announce that I'm running for Mayor

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Mayor of London? I have no plans to of London. No plans. That's what

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Michael his I will Tyne used to of London. No plans. That's what

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me. He had no plans to run against Margaret Thatcher. Are these the

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same kind of plans you have? I know. No, no. I have no plans. You know

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going for it. Everybody knows you're going for it. Just fess up to your

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old mate! ! I have no plans to run. If you did run, who would be, what

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would be your biggest threat other than yourself? I think there's a lot

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of very talented candidates, David They are all talented. I would have

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to weigh up the field. What do you think your chances would be of

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getting the taxi drivers' vote? Well, you know, Andrew, some of

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getting the taxi drivers' vote? most loyal viewers of This Week

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getting the taxi drivers' vote? were taxi drivers and their wives.

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I'm not frightened of reaching out to middle England. You will find if

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you walk around London sub usual ya, they all know me and they all love

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This Week. Love This Week. I thought you were going to say they all love

:03:46.:03:50.

you. One person who loves you, is Michael Portillo. He wasn't a happy

:03:50.:03:55.

chappie on Thursday night. You can't see it but you can hear. This is

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what he said. I was disappointed for her. She had decided to leave this

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something else in politics. She wanted to do something serious.

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something else in politics. She had taken what appeared to be a

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something else in politics. She position but taken it extremely

:04:14.:04:15.

serious and was committed to the issues. I'm quite disappointed for

:04:15.:04:23.

her. Why would Ed Miliband do such a thing. You just mentioned about

:04:23.:04:29.

London mayor, did Diane not ask thing. You just mentioned about

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Someone who's an eminent person thing. You just mentioned about

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this programme, I don't know how he could do that. I think Michael's

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missing you. Are you free this Thursday night? Make him a happy

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man, come back to the fold. I think I may be free this Thursday night.

:04:50.:04:55.

So, if he'll have me, I'll be there. My people will speak to your people.

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We'll get it sorted out. Diane, watch that big vase behind you,

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you're not insured for. That thanks Does she have a chance of being

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Mayor of London? She's very well known as Michael pointed out. That

:05:11.:05:13.

is important. People who are outside known as Michael pointed out. That

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the party fold have traditionally done well in the mayoral election.

:05:19.:05:21.

The job of being a London mayor done well in the mayoral election.

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running an economy the size of a nation. It is a very serious job.

:05:26.:05:31.

There may be problems with her running? That was a transparent

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There may be problems with her for it. She's potentially a very

:05:39.:05:43.

compelling Coll ticks. People have left-winger but she's quite tough

:05:43.:05:52.

and conservative. Michael Gove said he had fallen in love with Diane

:05:52.:05:59.

which That's one vote he has. What do you think? I thing about Diane

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Abbott is she has a fantastic way of connecting. She has a really good

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way of connecting wi people. She would be a very strong candidate in

:06:10.:06:17.

candidate. It will probably be a Labour win next time. Depends, if

:06:17.:06:23.

Labour wins the 2015 election it may be more difficult. There's a danger

:06:23.:06:29.

for Labour that Diane is the big personality liked by the party

:06:29.:06:31.

primary but isn't necessarily a personality liked by the party

:06:31.:06:37.

in come the London general election? That's true. London is traditionally

:06:37.:06:43.

a Labour city. But Boris managed to win as an outsider. There are big

:06:43.:06:48.

dangers for Labour with that. I think, as I said before, somebody

:06:48.:06:53.

who seems a bit independent from their own party machinery tend to do

:06:53.:07:00.

We've only had mayors so far that were independent? Indeed. And how

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Not that far behind bar Is Johnson. well Ken Livingstone did last time.

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Not that far behind bar Is Johnson. He was and is much more left-wing

:07:10.:07:11.

than Diane Abbott. Diane didn't He was and is much more left-wing

:07:11.:07:21.

stray on Syria, it was immigration. Why was Jeremy brown replaced by

:07:21.:07:29.

This is very much to do with Clegg deciding he has to go back to those

:07:29.:07:34.

people who abandoned the Liberal Democrats the day they went into

:07:34.:07:37.

coalition with the Conservatives really, and convince them there

:07:38.:07:43.

coalition with the Conservatives some holy areas of policy, sacred

:07:43.:07:46.

areas which they will defend. That includes civil liberties. In the

:07:46.:07:49.

Home Office, that incident with includes civil liberties. In the

:07:49.:07:52.

immigration vans went down very badly across the whole nation. Went

:07:52.:07:58.

down particularly badly with Liberal Democrats and voters. In the Home

:07:58.:08:03.

somebody there to put a shield on purpose behind it. And Nick Clegg

:08:03.:08:13.

has won the argument against the left, Vince Cable on the economy,

:08:13.:08:18.

away day in July, briefings say DrCable's been put in his box. He's

:08:18.:08:22.

won the argument on economic policy against the left. When it comes

:08:22.:08:26.

won the argument on economic policy the touchstone issue in the Home

:08:26.:08:28.

Office, he wants to shore up that vote on the left. And please The

:08:28.:08:32.

Guardian. This is important for something else going on which is

:08:32.:08:39.

that Nick Clegg has to keep his parliamentary party happy. That

:08:39.:08:43.

involves giving them ministerial jobs. A lot of Liberal Democrats

:08:43.:08:48.

losing their jobs, Michael Moore, because vacancies have to be created

:08:48.:08:59.

for number people to come in. By Liberal Democrat MPs will have been

:08:59.:09:07.

on the payroll. It is effective party management. I want to move on

:09:07.:09:13.

to press regulation. Brian Leveson's famous report, appeared before the

:09:13.:09:15.

parliamentary select committee. famous report, appeared before the

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will run you a clip from Connor politicians got involved in this. We

:09:20.:09:31.

moved away from the press 300 years ago. The centr commitment is Lord

:09:31.:09:37.

Leveson wanted a system the press self-regulation. This is state

:09:37.:09:45.

involvement which I worry about profoundly. He sits on the media

:09:45.:09:51.

interviews and investigations into the media. Chris Huhne said earlier

:09:51.:09:56.

he thought all the newspapers would sign up to the Government-backed

:09:56.:10:00.

Royal Charter. I think he's totally should. But he did say they would. I

:10:00.:10:07.

think he's wrong. They won't sign up. All the mood music when that

:10:07.:10:12.

Royal Charter was agreed on Friday was they would not sign up. It is

:10:12.:10:19.

Maria Miller, is essentially saying to the press industry, if you don't

:10:19.:10:21.

sign up, the Royal charter will to the press industry, if you don't

:10:21.:10:25.

ahead. I cannot control the Labour to the press industry, if you don't

:10:25.:10:30.

industry is wind the clock back to the press industry, if you don't

:10:30.:10:32.

what they are calling the Puttnam stage. That was earlier this year,

:10:32.:10:40.

Lord Puttnam was tack amendments which would introduce statutory

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regulation. Maria Miller says you statutory legislation but if you

:10:45.:10:54.

don't sign up to this, it will be a lot worse. Will that work? Playing

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the good cop, bad cop routine? Will that pressurise everyone to sign up.

:11:02.:11:06.

Lots of people are saying this will be a club with no members. It won't

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work. As Nick and I broke the story last week that the Government was

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going to reject the newspaper-backed one, I'm certain that the newspapers

:11:16.:11:21.

now, most of them maybe, not all, but most, will go the legal route

:11:21.:11:28.

and to judicial review on what the Government's proposing and will

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and to judicial review on what the it to strains Bowring where freedom

:11:33.:11:33.

of the press is enshrined. They it to strains Bowring where freedom

:11:33.:11:42.

fight this? There is enough fury amongst Fleet Street to result in

:11:42.:11:45.

that. The big political question going forward is which of the party

:11:45.:11:49.

leaders does the press blame the most for the emergence of press

:11:49.:11:53.

regulation? The Tories are very confident they'll blame Ed Miliband

:11:53.:11:59.

the most. They'll target him before 2015. David Cameron gave us Brian

:11:59.:12:03.

Leveson. You appoint a judge who shouldn't be surprised with what you

:12:03.:12:11.

got in the Leveson report? I big chunk of press will look at David

:12:11.:12:15.

Cameron saying, you were the guy who intended what will happen. If he had

:12:16.:12:29.

have appointed Brian Leveson. If they face more punitive fines over

:12:29.:12:32.

Labour ale cases they take that they face more punitive fines over

:12:32.:12:37.

Europe. The Daily Mail and the tallest presumably will have to

:12:37.:12:45.

suspend their campaign of Britain to leave the European Convention of

:12:45.:12:51.

suspend that. We must never come out Churchill was behind it. He was

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indeed. But it is actually a major constitutional issue whether you

:13:00.:13:01.

regulate the press or not. There was constitutional issue whether you

:13:01.:13:06.

a lot of ill feeling that this Marie ya miller statement was snubbing out

:13:06.:13:11.

on Friday afternoon. Somebody said freedom of the press too important

:13:11.:13:16.

to sneak out on afully afternoon. The whole subject should be treated

:13:17.:13:21.

with respect. We've run out of time. I'll be back next Sunday with the

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Communities Secretary Eric Pickles at our usual time of 11.00am. If

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