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In the West: We meet the local politicians | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
getting all steamed up over these Costa Coffee shops. They're open | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
for business, but they don't have planning permission. Should they be | 0:01:29 | 0:01:39 | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1688 seconds | 0:01:39 | 0:29:47 | |
Hello and welcome to our new look programme, The Sunday Politics in | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
the West. We're United with the kingdom of | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
Andrew Neil, unless we vote for independence. This week we're not | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
talking about whisky, but coffee, and the franchise Costa, which | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
opened shops without planning permission. Should the politicians | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
allow them to get away with it. Yes, the BBC has laid on some | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
instant decaf in these austere times, but it's not all frugal fare | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
here on The Sunday Politics, we do have some froth for you and here | 0:30:13 | 0:30:19 | |
they are - our guests of the week. Jacob Rees Mogg, who's so posh he | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
thinks a latte is when you don't turn up on time. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
And Kerry McCarthy, a Bristol Labour MP. She's a vegan so a | 0:30:26 | 0:30:32 | |
capuccino is out of the question. Welcome to you both. What have been | 0:30:32 | 0:30:38 | |
your political highlights or lowlights of the week? Thin on of | 0:30:38 | 0:30:44 | |
your tartan tie, it has got to the independence and the Prime Minister | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
questions whether Labour and Tory leaders were united with the | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
Scottish nationalists jeering from the sidelines. Do you think the | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
vote will go through and they will be independent? I doubt they will | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
go for independence. I think the less English MPs interfere, the | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
better. I hope they vote for independence but because it | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
benefits the Scots rather than being pressurised by the English. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:14 | |
You hope they vote for independence? I hope they take a | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
vote. It would be difficult for people in Somerset if they went -- | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
it would be better for Somerset if they went independent because there | 0:31:21 | 0:31:28 | |
would be more money for the English. I do not think so. The United | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
Kingdom built up from Somerset with Alfred the Great. I want to keep | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
our country united. What about you Carey? It would be the defeat of | 0:31:37 | 0:31:44 | |
the Government over the House of Lords over the get welfare reform | 0:31:44 | 0:31:51 | |
bill. It was quite big, about 60 votes. It was opposing measures so | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
it has to come back to the House of Commons. The fact that the Lords | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
had rejected these measures means that the House of Commons will | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
follow suit. Thank you very much. Stay with us. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
To our first political story. The Occupy campaigners have been told | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
to go in the name of God. Well not quite, but the church and the | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
council have finally taken eviction proceedings against them. So what | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
was their political protest about? Paul Barltrop reports. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
The writing may be on the wall for the occupiers of Occupy. Legal | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
action has been started by the authorities. It's the beginning of | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
the end. Bristol's camp is three months old, part of a worldwide | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
movement begun in New York. The first targets were the banks who'd | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
precipitated the world recession. But the banners and the protesters | 0:32:33 | 0:32:43 | |
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espoused all sorts of causes. Capitalism. It does not work. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
seems so staggeringly unfair and there is nothing we can do except | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
for trying to make visible our frustration. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
London's has had the highest- profile and some of the biggest | 0:32:53 | 0:33:00 | |
claims about its impact. Of course history will show that people power, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
large people lead movements have caused his tree to change. We | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
believe that because it is the global that is what is happening | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
with this movement. But back in Bristol some tents have already | 0:33:10 | 0:33:16 | |
gone. They know it won't be the same without this prime location. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
The second that Occupy gets of College Green or what, we become | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
another protest group there will be ignored and sidelined and you will | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
not hear anything from us in the media. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
They may soon be gone, but the issues that brought them here won't | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
The Dean of Bristol Cathedral David Hoyle and Occupy campaigner Tony | 0:33:33 | 0:33:42 | |
Cripps are here to discuss the camp. What was the protest all about? Can | 0:33:42 | 0:33:48 | |
you explain after all these weeks? It was about bankers, corporate | 0:33:48 | 0:33:53 | |
directors and governments, cowardly MPs that allow corporate directors | 0:33:53 | 0:33:58 | |
to bully their way around and not pay their corporate tax and they do | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
nothing about it. Bankers are ripping people off left right and | 0:34:02 | 0:34:08 | |
centre as we sit here now. It was a protest about finance, was it? | 0:34:08 | 0:34:16 | |
Nothing else? It was about human rights as well. 99%, as we call it, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:25 | |
are being enslaved by the 1%. It is by capitalism which does not work. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
So you are Against capitalism in general? We are not solely antique | 0:34:30 | 0:34:36 | |
and at -- anti-capitalist. From my point of view, these are the | 0:34:36 | 0:34:41 | |
culprits for the mess we are now in in the UK. Also globally. It is | 0:34:41 | 0:34:47 | |
about the banks. David, it put the Church in the uncomfortable world | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
of politics. Why have you decided to evict them? We have said all | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
along that there is a right to protest and there might be some | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
very important things being said by eight the Occupy movement. We have | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
also said that College Green is an asset but the tone and the council | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
manages for the benefit of the people of Bristol. Also to deliver | 0:35:07 | 0:35:13 | |
a number of events on College Green. Frankly, in January it is not a | 0:35:13 | 0:35:18 | |
huge issue but by Easter it is a problem. Have you accepted that? | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
You will now go? We have no choice now. We have received an eviction | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
order. It does not come as any great surprise... We all go? You | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
have some trouble, don't you? Used by difficult to talk to the | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
different factions in the group? They have a particular way of doing | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
business. It is a model of consensus. It means, not | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
surprisingly, that we have a conversation with an individual | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
one-day and they go back to the camp and a consensus decision is | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
not necessarily where we thought we would be going. Jacob, he is making | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
the point that capitalism does not work and it is fair to say that a | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
lot of people would agree with that. Although it works for some people, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:05 | |
it does not work for everybody and people get left behind. If you look | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
at other systems that have been tried, capitalism has been more | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
successful than any other. It is why all the former communist | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
countries have become capitalist in the last 20 years, with the | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
exception of North Korea. I do not think that is a model that we want | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
to follow. Do you have an alternative? An alternative to | 0:36:24 | 0:36:30 | |
capitalism? That is something that we have kept saying, not any one of | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
us individuals have an answer for it but what we would look to his | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
are the Occupy movement itself, the support that we have is hundreds of | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
thousands around the world and it is the idea that will come from | 0:36:42 | 0:36:47 | |
these people discussing, debating and sharing ideas. They are sharing | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
skills and all sorts of things. We are in this for the long term. It | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
is not a quick fix... Is it something that Labour needs to | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
plug-in to? There is a feeling of discontent about the way the | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
financial system works and what is seen as the unfairness of it. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
Without a doubt there is a real sense of injustice being felt | 0:37:07 | 0:37:12 | |
amongst people, particularly at the cuts start to hit. There is a | 0:37:12 | 0:37:17 | |
genuine grievance that the people who won near the bottom of the | 0:37:17 | 0:37:22 | |
ladder are being hit the hardest, as we saw with the votes against | 0:37:22 | 0:37:28 | |
the Welfare Reform Bill... Visitor mistake for Tony Blair and | 0:37:28 | 0:37:33 | |
Mandelson to get into bed with big business? He if the corporate | 0:37:33 | 0:37:39 | |
sector is run properly and a long ethnic -- ethical lines then it is | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
a great benefit to the country. It gives people jobs and let them look | 0:37:42 | 0:37:47 | |
after themselves and their families. What we have is an imbalance. There | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
are situations where Vodafone can write off their tax bill by need | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
association with HMRC where everybody else has to be chased for | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
every last penny... Do you accept there is too big a gap between the | 0:37:58 | 0:38:04 | |
rich and poor? No, I do not. I think you need to have wealthy | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
people in society. They are the ones to pay the bulk of the | 0:38:07 | 0:38:12 | |
taxation which is spent on providing public services. The top | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
1% of taxpayers in this country paid 24% of the total income tax. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:21 | |
Do we really not one that? What would Jesus say about that? My face | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
turns on the fact that I believe passionately that the world we live | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
in offers us a glimpse of something better. The task is to work | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
passionately for the something better. The gap between the rich | 0:38:31 | 0:38:39 | |
and poor? It is a cause for concern. I take the point that they are | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
going to be differences in the way human beings live out their lives. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
I worry, as I look around Bristol at the moment, that it seems to me | 0:38:46 | 0:38:51 | |
that people who were vulnerable and very of the living in poverty are | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
paid a very heavy price. Thank you very much for joining us this | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
Sunday. A West MP is calling on the | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
Government to give councils more planning powers after a storm in a | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
coffee cup in Bristol. The city council claims three new branches | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
of Costa Coffee are now trading without the right planning | 0:39:06 | 0:39:13 | |
permission in place. Here's Robin Markwell. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:19 | |
It seems nothing can quench our thirst for coffee. While we cut our | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
spending elsewhere, we are still buying a day the Cup. Profits for | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
Britain's biggest Coffee chain are booming and now we want to double | 0:39:26 | 0:39:32 | |
its outlet by 2016. The relentless march of the coffee shop is brewing | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
up trouble with our councils. This is Gloucester Road in Bristol, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
famed for its independent stores, like this one here. When Costa | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
Coffee tried to living next door, the city council said no to | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
planning permission twice. They opened all the same and they are | 0:39:47 | 0:39:52 | |
still here. Over 3,000 signed a petition claiming the store would | 0:39:52 | 0:39:58 | |
sound a death knell for the street. If I wanted to open a cafe and was | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
refused planning permission then I would not be able to open up. A lot | 0:40:02 | 0:40:07 | |
of the locals who have signed the position -- petition feel very | 0:40:07 | 0:40:12 | |
strongly about that issue. So many of them say it is outrageous that | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
they would have to take something down if they did it without | 0:40:15 | 0:40:21 | |
planning permission. The case will be heard by an inspector next month. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:27 | |
The building was a derelict office and Costa's franchisee applied for | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
permission to turn it into a cafe. The same man has applied for | 0:40:30 | 0:40:37 | |
several others without applying for a change of use. He disagrees that | 0:40:37 | 0:40:42 | |
they should be classed as cafes. Cost has landed in a hot water with | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
councils elsewhere about whether the coffee houses are shops or | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
cafes. Costa claims it is a grey area. The planning consultant we | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
spoke to says the rules could not be clearer. In the eyes of planning, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:59 | |
it primary uses a restaurant or, I would use the word Cafe. The | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
primary use is to serve food as a cafe/restaurant and you sit down | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
and some people may take away but there is seating available. A | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
shopper is where you go in and make a purchase. You buy a product. In | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
the eyes of planning law which I would agree with is that a coffee- | 0:41:18 | 0:41:25 | |
shop clearly falls within a cafe/restaurant. The local MP is | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
calling on the Government to give council's more powers to enforce | 0:41:28 | 0:41:33 | |
planning rules. It will be raised in the Commons next week. A lot of | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
large companies have become arrogant in their dealings with | 0:41:36 | 0:41:42 | |
local authorities. They have huge legal departments that will look | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
for what they have got away with them one part of the country and | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
they will try it in another part of the country. These three Bristol | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
stores have the same franchisee. Neither he nor Costa Coffee wanted | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
to speak to us today. However cost of pointed out in a statement that | 0:41:59 | 0:42:09 | |
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the franchisee was not acting Costa Coffee has been accused of | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
having a trade and be damned attitude here and Bristol but with | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
nearly one in six shops on the High Street now standing empty, should | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
our councils really be stalling those who are looking to deliver as | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
caffeine stimulus to wake up the local economy? | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
Gus Hoyt is a Green party councillor in Bristol. Thank you | 0:42:39 | 0:42:47 | |
for joining us. Do you have a problem with this? | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
With Costa Coffee opening illegal shops? Yes. They have been denied | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
planning permission twice. The current legislation is in place in | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
case people make a mistake in planning and open not having | 0:42:59 | 0:43:04 | |
understood to rules. They are going to challenge all of that. Of course, | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
yes. They have opened a business which is providing a service and | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
employing people, what is the difficulty? Would you prefer an | 0:43:10 | 0:43:15 | |
empty shop? Yes I would in this case. There are plenty of coffee | 0:43:15 | 0:43:20 | |
shops already. Most of the other coffee shops in the area are all | 0:43:20 | 0:43:25 | |
independently run. Is it not a business decision? Why would you | 0:43:25 | 0:43:30 | |
not wanted to just take its chances? Basically Costa Coffee is | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
bullying his way on to our high street and I should not be | 0:43:32 | 0:43:39 | |
allowed... They are small businesses, they are franchises. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:45 | |
Yes. You're looking to give people a minimum wage of �8.10 an hour. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:50 | |
The a liveable wage. You want a 34 -- 35 hour week and more generous | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
maternity and paternity leave. These small businesses under the | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
Green Party regime would have to be very profitable to cope with that | 0:43:57 | 0:44:03 | |
kind of expands. Yes, and at the moment they are not in a position | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
where they can compete fairly because companies like Costa Coffee | 0:44:06 | 0:44:11 | |
are coming in a flat in regulation. So you suggest that if they work | 0:44:11 | 0:44:16 | |
less coffee-shop they could afford to pay their staff these wages. How | 0:44:16 | 0:44:20 | |
much would be cups of coffee? But recovered with a cup of coffee | 0:44:20 | 0:44:25 | |
cost? You pay manage with less. I have done the same job myself and I | 0:44:25 | 0:44:29 | |
have taken a pay cut to make sure my staff get paid more. Other | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
planning laws in this country at there to help business or hinder | 0:44:33 | 0:44:38 | |
it? There are two issues. One is the enforcement issue. If you have | 0:44:38 | 0:44:43 | |
planning law and it is being broken, then it should be enforced, that | 0:44:43 | 0:44:48 | |
should be even across all people. Ising that people who obey the laws | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
and up pay the fees deal with a monstrous bureaucracy and others | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
just get away with it. That is wrong. On the question on whether a | 0:44:55 | 0:45:02 | |
coffee shop should be allowed to open, I think it is lunatic that we | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
make it difficult. We should make it as easy as possible. I agree | 0:45:06 | 0:45:10 | |
entirely with Jacob about the need for enforcement. It is something I | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
see all the time across Bristol, particularly where people are | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
converting houses into flats or building extra flats and houses in | 0:45:17 | 0:45:24 | |
people back gardens. They flout the law and enforcement is very poor. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
The issue about Costa Coffee is not about whether that shop itself will | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
be financially viable or will create jobs for people, it is the | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
fact that it could put several other shops in the area out of | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
business which would have the other impact of wrecking the character of | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
the neighbourhood... It seems to be that people do not worry about what | 0:45:42 | 0:45:46 | |
the local council things because they can appeal and it eventually | 0:45:46 | 0:45:51 | |
goes to the Secretary of State and then they'd -- I do not think Eric | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
Pickles has ever turned down a coffee shop! I have no idea if he | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
has or not. I believe in competition, so if one coffee shop | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
closes down other coffee shops it is because other people are not | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
providing the service that people are keen to pay for. That is the | 0:46:06 | 0:46:16 | |
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central point, isn't it? Not really, no. That reason that we have not | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
been able to stop it is that we know that Eric Pickles will let it | 0:46:21 | 0:46:28 | |
go ahead. It could be turned down in appeal but we have to wait until | 0:46:28 | 0:46:34 | |
the end of the appeal process. Thank you very much for coming in. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:38 | |
A week may be a long time in politics, but we've crammed the | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
highlights from here in the West into our weekly 60 second roundup. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:46 | |
Enjoy! The Education Secretary Michael Gove visited a school in | 0:46:46 | 0:46:54 | |
Keynsham - his lecture was for Bristol to back free schools. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
provision has not been good enough and we have to change this. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
This is the Mayor of Stroud - he could be fined for not returning | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
his Census form. He's making the protest because he says the firm | 0:47:04 | 0:47:10 | |
organising it also sell arms. could not face myself if I actually | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
feel that form in. Campaigners have taken their fight | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
against wind turbines in Berkley Vale to a public enquiry. They | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
don't like the way they look - the company claim that's not a good | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
enough reason. These two Wiltshire pensioners have | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
been given ASBOs for feeding the pigeons in Trowbridge. The pair | 0:47:26 | 0:47:35 | |
ignored orders by Wiltshire Council to stop because of the mess. I just | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
love my birds and that is all. Bus cuts will leave disabled | 0:47:38 | 0:47:40 | |
passengers stranded in their homes according to campaigners in | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
Somerset. They're fighting against council cuts that would see 35 bus | 0:47:43 | 0:47:53 | |
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routes stopped. Quite a variety of stories there. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:59 | |
The ASBOs were Tony Blair's invention. Anti-social behaviour | 0:47:59 | 0:48:04 | |
orders. Do they work? Getting the legislation has been really useful | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
in some respects and in my part of Bristol it has been used for things | 0:48:08 | 0:48:12 | |
like crack den closures, dispersal orders to get gangs of the street | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
as well as ASBOs for people's individual behaviour. He will | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
always find some cases where it looks like the authorities have | 0:48:19 | 0:48:23 | |
gone too far and given ASBOs to people who do not deserve them but | 0:48:23 | 0:48:27 | |
generally, I am sure Jacob will agree with me, anti-social | 0:48:27 | 0:48:34 | |
behaviour is a far bigger issue than many others, there are so many | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
complaints about it. Another story that caught my eye are the cuts to | 0:48:38 | 0:48:43 | |
bus services. This will leave people high and dry. This is not my | 0:48:44 | 0:48:48 | |
part of Somerset in that story but there is a difficulty in providing | 0:48:48 | 0:48:54 | |
rural bus services. The numbers who use them mean the subsidy is very | 0:48:54 | 0:48:59 | |
high. One bus route that was cut to a remote village had one person who | 0:48:59 | 0:49:04 | |
used it each week and it would have been cheaper to take that person by | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
helicopter into Bath a than to provide a bus every year. It hard | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
economic times, you have got to be serious about where you are | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
spending money and you have got to spend it to the greatest advantage. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
Thank you both. It's time for me to raise a cup of | 0:49:20 | 0:49:24 | |
cold BBC coffee to our two MPs Jacob and Kerry - thank you for | 0:49:24 | 0:49:28 | |
sharing you thoughts today. You can watch it all again on the BBC | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 |