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In the west: After the march by the far-right in Bristol this weekend, | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
we're looking at the state of race relations. | :01:22. | :01:32. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 1805 seconds | :01:32. | :31:37. | |
Are the politicians to blame for Good afternoon. We are live this | :31:38. | :31:43. | |
afternoon with 20 minutes of discussion and debate. Our top | :31:43. | :31:48. | |
story: at this weekend's march by the English Defence League in | :31:48. | :31:52. | |
Bristol. Despite 14 arrests it was mainly peaceful, but have | :31:52. | :31:59. | |
politicians added to aggravation? First, this week's guests. They are | :31:59. | :32:09. | |
to West Country politicians with precious little in common. They are | :32:09. | :32:19. | |
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Jacob Rees Mogg and Anne Snelgrove. Jacob, you have voted this week | :32:21. | :32:25. | |
against house of Lords reform. Why have you done that? I think that | :32:25. | :32:30. | |
they were badly thought-through and I do not think that we should | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
change constitutional issues without a referendum. | :32:35. | :32:40. | |
Liberal Democrat wanted a bit of constitutional form -- | :32:40. | :32:49. | |
constitutional reform and you have rebelled. We think it was appalling | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
that the reforms were introducing proportional representation, which | :32:53. | :33:02. | |
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was rejected over euro. I am afraid that one of the takes his house of | :33:03. | :33:07. | |
Lords reform. All of the parties want House of | :33:07. | :33:12. | |
Lords reform, but you have put the kibosh on it by disagreeing with | :33:12. | :33:19. | |
the timetabling bill. We have great concerns about a timetabling of | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
this bill over ten days. We have reduced the hereditary Peers by 90 | :33:23. | :33:31. | |
per cent, Brotton and elected Speaker, the people's Peers. -- | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
brought end. They want to have some proper debate about how they can | :33:35. | :33:40. | |
take this forward. David Cameron has a real problem with this party | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
now. 91 of his Conservative MPs rebelled against this and he really | :33:44. | :33:49. | |
has got in trouble of -- got in trouble over this. | :33:49. | :33:54. | |
I peace march has been held in Bristol this afternoon. It is in | :33:54. | :33:59. | |
response to yesterday's march by the English Defence League, which | :33:59. | :34:05. | |
has brought concern to the Nuzum community. The there was a rival | :34:05. | :34:09. | |
demonstration which kicked off the trouble. What does it say about the | :34:09. | :34:18. | |
state of community and race relations? It really could not be a | :34:18. | :34:22. | |
more difference seen today here in Queen Square. It is very calm and | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
peaceful. If you look around, there is a cycling festival taking place | :34:26. | :34:33. | |
today, a complete contrast to the best that we witnessed yesterday. - | :34:33. | :34:39. | |
- to the events that we witnessed. The English Defence League were | :34:39. | :34:44. | |
marched in conjunction with the police down side streets. Piquet | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
then living and eventually brought their march into Queen Square, | :34:47. | :34:54. | |
where there were rallies and speeches. | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
When they got to the square there had been no trouble, but opponents | :35:00. | :35:09. | |
of EDL were determined to confront them. Organisations such as We Are | :35:09. | :35:14. | |
Bristol, who have a record of opposing the EDL. There were some | :35:14. | :35:18. | |
small groups, there were quite a number of arrests. There were 14 | :35:18. | :35:24. | |
people in total. The day ended on a rather sour note, with the police | :35:25. | :35:32. | |
having to make a lot of arrests. Let us talk to a couple of people | :35:32. | :35:38. | |
who were involved and have strong views on this. He did not one there | :35:39. | :35:46. | |
to be a counter protest yesterday, didn't she? You are right. We were | :35:46. | :35:55. | |
strongly discouraging people to join in. Before rigor further, I | :35:55. | :36:00. | |
would like to take the opportunity to thank the police for doing a | :36:00. | :36:03. | |
marvellous and fantastic job. And to the city as a whole, who | :36:03. | :36:11. | |
conducted themselves very well. had held tops with EDL and the | :36:11. | :36:18. | |
organisers of their counter protests -- held meetings. You find | :36:18. | :36:24. | |
the opponents of their protests difficult to work with? There was a | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
lot of a motion at stake. Discussions need to happen right at | :36:28. | :36:34. | |
the beginning, not halfway through, are too close to this event. This | :36:34. | :36:40. | |
is a learning progress, we need to sit down and discuss how we can | :36:40. | :36:46. | |
learn how to conduct ourselves much better. You are the Labour | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
candidate for her the Bristol mayoral election. He pushing into | :36:51. | :37:00. | |
the counter protests, I you happy with what happened? My name was on | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
the protest, but there is another story about that. Yesterday was | :37:04. | :37:14. | |
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actually about pride. It is a shame... Wasn't having a big | :37:15. | :37:18. | |
counter-demonstration close by bound to inflame things? That is | :37:18. | :37:22. | |
what then is on community had not wanted. People would come out in | :37:22. | :37:30. | |
protest anyway. The clear thing was what -- the thing to make clear was | :37:30. | :37:40. | |
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to say, they all wanted to make a statement about Bristol. There were | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
whole mix of people there, a number of people who have delivered | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
fantastically far the city. A number of community activists who | :37:49. | :37:53. | |
had been working hard... But that is not the image that people come | :37:53. | :38:00. | |
away with from the events yesterday, is it? It depends how you reported. | :38:00. | :38:08. | |
If you look at the events of the gay pride march, and the events | :38:08. | :38:14. | |
across the city throughout the year, then you have a different image. | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
will also be focusing later this afternoon on a piece wok, which | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
will be happening today in order to show the positive side of Bristol - | :38:23. | :38:31. | |
- peace march. Jacob, why do you think that the | :38:31. | :38:37. | |
English Defence League find support? The there is a real | :38:37. | :38:41. | |
problem with the immigration issue, because it has been toxic for | :38:41. | :38:45. | |
politicians. It has been tied up with ideas of race and politicians | :38:45. | :38:52. | |
had been very nervous about talking about it in a rational way. | :38:52. | :38:56. | |
opposing the spread of Islam in this country racist or wrong? | :38:56. | :39:00. | |
think that that is just wrong. I do not think we should be frightened | :39:00. | :39:05. | |
of Islam, frightened of other -- frightened of other religions, but | :39:05. | :39:12. | |
it comes out of a fear of emigration. If politicians had | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
dealt with their idea of emigration earlier, we would see much more | :39:16. | :39:25. | |
tolerance in terms of religion. Would you accept that Labour lost | :39:25. | :39:32. | |
control and allowed immigration on a massive scale. And be left some | :39:32. | :39:41. | |
traditional Labour supporters, including the White working classes, | :39:41. | :39:47. | |
feeling threatened? I do not think we lost control. When countries | :39:47. | :39:54. | |
such as Paul and were -- such as Poland were allowed into the | :39:54. | :40:03. | |
European Union, then we had some issues. We had problems with cheap | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
labour coming in from Eastern Europe. We are conflating lot of | :40:06. | :40:11. | |
issues here. The march yesterday was anti- Islam and chosen on a day | :40:11. | :40:16. | |
when Bristol were celebrating the pride. There were twice as many | :40:16. | :40:22. | |
people at the Gay pride celebration as the EDL could muster from the | :40:22. | :40:27. | |
hold the country. Well done to the Gay pride march and thumbs down to | :40:27. | :40:33. | |
the EDL. What would you like to see with | :40:33. | :40:41. | |
immigration? Why has the government not got a handle on it? I am more | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
of a sceptic than the government has. I think we need to look at all | :40:45. | :40:50. | |
the immigration problem, can take - - including from the European Union. | :40:50. | :41:00. | |
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We have simply had too many people coming in and providing a labour | :41:00. | :41:06. | |
force that has paid out of work the indigenous labour force. That is a | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
problem for our country. Do you accept that immigration drive down | :41:10. | :41:16. | |
wages, pates pressure on housing? think it has driven down wages, | :41:16. | :41:19. | |
where housing is concerned, I think that many of those immigrants | :41:19. | :41:24. | |
living in very bad housing situations, that is my experience | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
in that Swindon. I think that we need to look at the European Union | :41:27. | :41:36. | |
again. We would say that we have made some mistakes over emigration, | :41:36. | :41:43. | |
but not over wider emigration. I just say one thing? A think it is | :41:43. | :41:46. | |
very unfortunate that a grand mother of a family from the Indian | :41:46. | :41:52. | |
sub-continent find it -- find it very difficult to come here even | :41:52. | :42:00. | |
though her family is here. Whereas someone from the European Union can | :42:00. | :42:07. | |
come here. No questions asked. That is what we need to the cat. Mark | :42:07. | :42:16. | |
Hook has now been charged with his 112's -- with his 112 offence. He | :42:16. | :42:23. | |
was given a holiday to Africa and was known as Safari Boy, but does | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
his serial offending represent a failure of the criminal justice | :42:26. | :42:30. | |
system? He first made headlines almost 20 | :42:30. | :42:35. | |
years ago after being sent to North Africa on holiday. The aim was to | :42:35. | :42:41. | |
break his cycle of reoffending, but just one year later, in 1994, Mark | :42:41. | :42:48. | |
Hook was back in court, charged with more than 30 offences. | :42:48. | :42:52. | |
perhaps need to invest more in nursery education, youth facilities. | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
This is not a soft option I am talking about, I am talking about | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
the choices that society has been investing money. | :43:00. | :43:05. | |
Over the past two decades he has made promises to change, but this | :43:05. | :43:13. | |
week he was charged for his 112 offence, stealing a woman's handbag. | :43:13. | :43:17. | |
The question still remains, can anything be done to make sure this | :43:17. | :43:22. | |
really is Mark Hook's last time behind bars? | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
I am joined now by Juliet Lyon from the Prison Reform Trust. Does his | :43:27. | :43:31. | |
case not short that really we are not on top of serial criminals in | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
this country and that nothing appears to work? | :43:35. | :43:43. | |
His case hits exactly the day, or rather tomorrow, when Ken Clarke | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
and the Prison Reform Trust are celebrating a third drop end youth | :43:46. | :43:52. | |
crime and the number of children behind bars. Something has happened | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
that is really successful and to change that dreary cycle of people | :43:54. | :44:00. | |
going back into jail. You are saying that youth crime is down? | :44:00. | :44:05. | |
Markedly, 37 per cent. So people would say that it does not feel | :44:05. | :44:09. | |
like that on the street. It maybe that it is not reported correctly, | :44:09. | :44:15. | |
but that is actually correct. If you look at this excess of early | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
intervention, getting people in LA to look at -- to get children out | :44:19. | :44:23. | |
of trouble. That is what we did want. | :44:23. | :44:28. | |
People like that young man, a lifetime of crime, to a hundred and | :44:28. | :44:33. | |
12 offences, he says he will go straight, but no one is holding | :44:33. | :44:39. | |
their breath that -- 112. What he would look at with someone like | :44:39. | :44:45. | |
that, prolific persistent offender, he would look at integrated | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
prisoner management. There are some flagship work being done in that | :44:49. | :44:56. | |
area. Prison staff, prisoners anti- drug work -- drug workers all | :44:56. | :45:06. | |
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working together. The combination of that and with victims saying, | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
this is the harm that you have caused me, can help. | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
A tunic prison sentences longer, they are more effective because you | :45:20. | :45:24. | |
have more time to work with the prisoner in jail? But you do not | :45:24. | :45:29. | |
want to get at that point. If someone has committed a serious and | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
violent offence then prison as the only option, but we should be | :45:32. | :45:37. | |
focused on stopping at. What would you do with people who regard crime | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
as a way of life and that there is a revolving door at the Crown | :45:41. | :45:49. | |
Court? We do have to punish those people, but it is that -- but it is | :45:49. | :45:53. | |
right that agencies have come together to make sure that crime is | :45:53. | :45:58. | |
kept down. We will never win with 100 per cent of the people, but the | :45:58. | :46:05. | |
chief constable said back in 1994, we need more nursery education. | :46:05. | :46:11. | |
There is a 37 per cent drop in crime, it works. On that particular | :46:11. | :46:14. | |
case, why it became famous as because he went on a safari is a | :46:14. | :46:24. | |
young man at the taxpayer's offence. -- expense. I was outraged at that | :46:24. | :46:28. | |
time, I could not afford to go abroad on holiday. I think we do | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
need to look at different ways of punishing people, but also helping | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
them back in. As a Farry is not a good idea. The need to give more | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
discretion to the judges. There has been a tendency to limit that | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
discretion, but the judge knows their individual that he is dealing | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
worth and that people are different. There will be some people who have | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
committed serious crimes, he need to be locked up for some time, and | :46:54. | :46:59. | |
others who are redeemable. I do believe that people should be | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
offered a second chance, and even a third chance, but not necessarily | :47:04. | :47:09. | |
112 chances. It is harder to get to jail than to | :47:09. | :47:14. | |
get to Oxford or Cambridge? much more expensive when you get in | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
than going to Eton. Let us use it for the few people that need to be | :47:17. | :47:22. | |
pit their. There are 100,000 core offenders | :47:22. | :47:29. | |
who caused a great deal of crime. What do you do about them? | :47:29. | :47:36. | |
Unavoidable minimum. What do we mean by that? Probably the number | :47:36. | :47:39. | |
that when I investigated Strangeways prison. We are | :47:39. | :47:46. | |
currently locking up 88,000 people. That is fast public offence -- vast | :47:46. | :47:53. | |
public expense, a necessary. Crime has dropped by almost a third in | :47:53. | :47:57. | |
the last two years. But that was after a decade of increasing crime. | :47:57. | :48:03. | |
Are you going to argue about crime dropping? No, but it is coming down | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
from a high level, that is what am saying. But it has dropped, the | :48:08. | :48:11. | |
trouble is that good news stories do not make news, but this is | :48:11. | :48:15. | |
something that all the political party should be proud of, because | :48:15. | :48:19. | |
everyone has contributed and everyone supports restorative | :48:19. | :48:25. | |
justice. We have an increase in police numbers in Somerset, that | :48:25. | :48:29. | |
has made a huge difference. research does show that more | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
policing does lead to a reduction in crime and of course, police | :48:33. | :48:38. | |
numbers are being cut. It is worth bearing in mind that crime has cop | :48:39. | :48:48. | |
-- crime has fallen very sharply now that there are higher numbers | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
in prison. I think you have to be careful about looking at things at | :48:52. | :48:57. | |
-- about how things have happened, before jumping to conclusions. | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
Thank you very much. If you have literally got one minute to spare, | :49:01. | :49:05. | |
let us catch up on some more political news for the week. | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
It was an uncomfortable week for the Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg - not | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
helped by this man, Bristol Councillor John Kiely. He stuck the | :49:12. | :49:22. | |
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boot in this week, calling for the Deputy Prime Minister to resign. | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
There needs to be a reality check within the party. It is facing | :49:26. | :49:32. | |
tough times ahead. You will always have people making comments, | :49:32. | :49:38. | |
sometimes disobliging comments from the sidelines, that is politics. | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
Wealthy people who own second homes in the Cotswolds will no longer get | :49:42. | :49:45. | |
a 10% discount on their council tax. Other areas, like Bath and North | :49:45. | :49:47. | |
East Somerset, are also considering scrapping the discount, claiming | :49:47. | :49:49. | |
all homeowners should pay "their fair share". | :49:49. | :49:53. | |
There have been more twists and turns than down a badger sett in | :49:53. | :49:55. | |
the fight to stop Government plans for a badger cull in | :49:55. | :49:58. | |
Gloucestershire and Somerset. This week, the High Court threw out an | :49:58. | :50:08. | |
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appeal by campaigners to stop the cull. They have a week to appeal. | :50:14. | :50:24. | |
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Council tax, the full whack on second homes. I have two. Just the | :50:25. | :50:31. | |
two! I think it is perfectly reasonable. It was a saying that if | :50:31. | :50:35. | |
you had a second home venue had fewer services. In an age of | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
austerity, when everyone has to pay more, it is a reasonable discount | :50:39. | :50:47. | |
to get rid of. I am in agreement with Jacob. I actually think that | :50:47. | :50:52. | |
in these times of austerity if people can afford to two homes than | :50:52. | :50:56. | |
they have to pay twice. I am more concerned with their elderly person | :50:56. | :51:01. | |
living on his or her own who still find it very difficult to find 75 | :51:01. | :51:05. | |
per cent of the council tax. It seems that if we should cut | :51:05. | :51:08. | |
something, we should cut the council tax for them. | :51:08. | :51:13. | |
That is it for this series of the Sunday Politics. The government has | :51:13. | :51:19. | |
done a U-turn on the caravan tax and Jacob is off to his second home | :51:19. | :51:23. |