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Here in the West, counting the cost Here in the West, counting the cost | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
Here in the West, counting the cost of cleaning up the deadly dust | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
of cleaning up the deadly dust of cleaning up the deadly dust | :01:30. | :01:31. | |
caused by asbestos. Should the caused by asbestos. Should the | :01:31. | :01:31. | |
caused by asbestos. Should the government stepping in and help | :01:31. | :01:41. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2194 seconds | :01:41. | :38:16. | |
government stepping in and help part of the programme that is just | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
part of the programme that is just part of the programme that is just | :38:18. | :38:20. | |
part of the programme that is just for us in the West. Today our Sunday | :38:20. | :38:22. | |
for us in the West. Today our Sunday Politics investigation reveals how | :38:22. | :38:24. | |
Politics investigation reveals how Politics investigation reveals how | :38:24. | :38:25. | |
local schools are struggling to local schools are struggling to | :38:25. | :38:26. | |
local schools are struggling to clean up asbestos in their | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
clean up asbestos in their buildings. Campaigners want the | :38:28. | :38:29. | |
buildings. Campaigners want the buildings. Campaigners want the | :38:29. | :38:30. | |
government to step in and protect government to step in and protect | :38:30. | :38:33. | |
government to step in and protect teachers and pupils in schools. My | :38:33. | :38:34. | |
teachers and pupils in schools. My teachers and pupils in schools. My | :38:34. | :38:35. | |
guests this week are the guests this week are the | :38:35. | :38:37. | |
guests this week are the Conservative MP from Swindon Robert | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
Conservative MP from Swindon Robert Conservative MP from Swindon Robert | :38:39. | :38:40. | |
Buckland and the Labour chairperson Buckland and the Labour chairperson | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
Buckland and the Labour chairperson in the South West Clare Moody. | :38:42. | :38:43. | |
in the South West Clare Moody. in the South West Clare Moody. | :38:43. | :38:44. | |
Welcome to you. First let's talk Welcome to you. First let's talk | :38:44. | :38:45. | |
Welcome to you. First let's talk about the matter of the Eastleigh | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
about the matter of the Eastleigh about the matter of the Eastleigh | :38:48. | :38:49. | |
by-election. A seat not 1 million by-election. A seat not 1 million | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
by-election. A seat not 1 million mile away from yours. A blue-collar | :38:51. | :38:52. | |
mile away from yours. A blue-collar mile away from yours. A blue-collar | :38:52. | :38:53. | |
mile away from yours. A blue-collar seat. If that result came through to | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
seat. If that result came through to seat. If that result came through to | :38:55. | :38:56. | |
seat. If that result came through to you in Swindon, you would be toast, | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
you in Swindon, you would be toast, you in Swindon, you would be toast, | :38:58. | :38:59. | |
wouldn't you? The parallels stop wouldn't you? The parallels stop | :38:59. | :39:01. | |
wouldn't you? The parallels stop there because the Liberals won the | :39:01. | :39:02. | |
there because the Liberals won the there because the Liberals won the | :39:02. | :39:02. | |
seat and have organised themselves seat and have organised themselves | :39:02. | :39:04. | |
seat and have organised themselves seat and have organised themselves | :39:04. | :39:06. | |
well in that part of the world for well in that part of the world for | :39:06. | :39:07. | |
well in that part of the world for well in that part of the world for | :39:07. | :39:08. | |
20 years and have an advantage in 20 years and have an advantage in | :39:08. | :39:09. | |
20 years and have an advantage in terms of where they were | :39:09. | :39:10. | |
terms of where they were terms of where they were | :39:10. | :39:12. | |
campaigning. I think the interesting campaigning. I think the interesting | :39:12. | :39:13. | |
campaigning. I think the interesting result is where the protest vote | :39:13. | :39:15. | |
result is where the protest vote result is where the protest vote | :39:15. | :39:16. | |
went and we have two acknowledged went and we have two acknowledged | :39:16. | :39:18. | |
went and we have two acknowledged there was a significant protest in | :39:18. | :39:19. | |
there was a significant protest in there was a significant protest in | :39:19. | :39:20. | |
the form of UKIP and labour the form of UKIP and labour | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
the form of UKIP and labour performed poorly. We have to listen | :39:23. | :39:24. | |
performed poorly. We have to listen performed poorly. We have to listen | :39:24. | :39:25. | |
why people are protesting and why people are protesting and | :39:25. | :39:26. | |
why people are protesting and address the issues that concern | :39:26. | :39:28. | |
address the issues that concern address the issues that concern | :39:28. | :39:29. | |
them, or whether it be immigration them, or whether it be immigration | :39:29. | :39:31. | |
them, or whether it be immigration them, or whether it be immigration | :39:31. | :39:32. | |
them, or whether it be immigration or cost of living. You have to do a | :39:32. | :39:34. | |
or cost of living. You have to do a or cost of living. You have to do a | :39:34. | :39:35. | |
or cost of living. You have to do a deal with UKIP, don't you? No, I | :39:35. | :39:37. | |
deal with UKIP, don't you? No, I deal with UKIP, don't you? No, I | :39:37. | :39:37. | |
deal with UKIP, don't you? No, I don't think it's a question of doing | :39:37. | :39:38. | |
don't think it's a question of doing don't think it's a question of doing | :39:38. | :39:39. | |
don't think it's a question of doing deals. I don't think they want to do | :39:39. | :39:41. | |
deals. I don't think they want to do deals. I don't think they want to do | :39:41. | :39:42. | |
deals. I don't think they want to do deals. I think it's a question of | :39:42. | :39:44. | |
deals. I think it's a question of deals. I think it's a question of | :39:44. | :39:44. | |
looking and listening to the voters looking and listening to the voters | :39:45. | :39:46. | |
looking and listening to the voters themselves and the reasons why they | :39:46. | :39:47. | |
themselves and the reasons why they themselves and the reasons why they | :39:47. | :39:50. | |
protested and then addressing the protested and then addressing the | :39:50. | :39:51. | |
protested and then addressing the concerns. Clare, your take on why | :39:51. | :39:52. | |
concerns. Clare, your take on why concerns. Clare, your take on why | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
concerns. Clare, your take on why Labour did not do better? It was a | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
Labour did not do better? It was a Labour did not do better? It was a | :39:58. | :39:59. | |
short campaign and labour were never short campaign and labour were never | :39:59. | :40:00. | |
short campaign and labour were never short campaign and labour were never | :40:00. | :40:01. | |
the story. We were never part of the the story. We were never part of the | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
the story. We were never part of the narrative in Eastleigh. We were a | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
narrative in Eastleigh. We were a narrative in Eastleigh. We were a | :40:06. | :40:06. | |
narrative in Eastleigh. We were a distant third in 2010 and we kept | :40:06. | :40:09. | |
distant third in 2010 and we kept distant third in 2010 and we kept | :40:09. | :40:10. | |
distant third in 2010 and we kept our vote there. What I think was | :40:10. | :40:11. | |
our vote there. What I think was our vote there. What I think was | :40:11. | :40:12. | |
interesting about the vote in interesting about the vote in | :40:12. | :40:14. | |
interesting about the vote in Eastleigh was that actually, there | :40:14. | :40:15. | |
Eastleigh was that actually, there Eastleigh was that actually, there | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
wasn't anyone but the Conservatives wasn't anyone but the Conservatives | :40:19. | :40:20. | |
wasn't anyone but the Conservatives in the constituency so Labour voters | :40:20. | :40:21. | |
in the constituency so Labour voters in the constituency so Labour voters | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
voted LibDem and some Tory voted LibDem and some Tory | :40:26. | :40:26. | |
voted LibDem and some Tory voters... A lot of blue-collar | :40:26. | :40:27. | |
voters... A lot of blue-collar voters... A lot of blue-collar | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
voters... A lot of blue-collar voters voted for UKIP. You yes. The | :40:31. | :40:31. | |
voters voted for UKIP. You yes. The voters voted for UKIP. You yes. The | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
people that didn't vote voted for people that didn't vote voted for | :40:34. | :40:35. | |
people that didn't vote voted for people that didn't vote voted for | :40:35. | :40:36. | |
UKIP. That was going to be the UKIP. That was going to be the | :40:36. | :40:42. | |
UKIP. That was going to be the narrative in this constituency. | :40:42. | :40:43. | |
narrative in this constituency. narrative in this constituency. | :40:43. | :40:44. | |
investigation by the Sunday Politics investigation by the Sunday Politics | :40:44. | :40:45. | |
investigation by the Sunday Politics has found that over three quarters | :40:45. | :40:47. | |
has found that over three quarters has found that over three quarters | :40:47. | :40:48. | |
of state-run schools in the west of state-run schools in the west | :40:48. | :40:49. | |
of state-run schools in the west of state-run schools in the west | :40:49. | :40:51. | |
contain asbestos. It is safe if left contain asbestos. It is safe if left | :40:51. | :40:52. | |
contain asbestos. It is safe if left contain asbestos. It is safe if left | :40:52. | :40:53. | |
untouched but if you breathe in dust untouched but if you breathe in dust | :40:53. | :40:55. | |
untouched but if you breathe in dust untouched but if you breathe in dust | :40:55. | :40:56. | |
it can cause a deadly form of it can cause a deadly form of | :40:56. | :40:56. | |
it can cause a deadly form of cancer. All schools are required to | :40:56. | :40:57. | |
cancer. All schools are required to cancer. All schools are required to | :40:57. | :40:58. | |
cancer. All schools are required to cancer. All schools are required to | :40:58. | :40:59. | |
have a plan to deal with it but is have a plan to deal with it but is | :40:59. | :41:00. | |
have a plan to deal with it but is have a plan to deal with it but is | :41:00. | :41:01. | |
it time for the government to insist it time for the government to insist | :41:01. | :41:02. | |
it time for the government to insist it time for the government to insist | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
it is removed and pay the cost? it is removed and pay the cost? | :41:05. | :41:06. | |
it is removed and pay the cost? it is removed and pay the cost? | :41:06. | :41:09. | |
death of Maggie must not be in vain. death of Maggie must not be in vain. | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
death of Maggie must not be in vain. death of Maggie must not be in vain. | :41:11. | :41:12. | |
This is what is said by her husband This is what is said by her husband | :41:12. | :41:13. | |
This is what is said by her husband This is what is said by her husband | :41:13. | :41:14. | |
Alan Baker. She was a primary school Alan Baker. She was a primary school | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
Alan Baker. She was a primary school Alan Baker. She was a primary school | :41:18. | :41:18. | |
teacher for 34 years. In 2011, she teacher for 34 years. In 2011, she | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
was diagnosed with asbestos-related was diagnosed with asbestos-related | :41:22. | :41:22. | |
was diagnosed with asbestos-related cancer. Eventually, we were given | :41:22. | :41:24. | |
cancer. Eventually, we were given cancer. Eventually, we were given | :41:24. | :41:26. | |
the news that she had mesothelioma the news that she had mesothelioma | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
the news that she had mesothelioma the news that she had mesothelioma | :41:29. | :41:32. | |
and it was a tumour. She died last and it was a tumour. She died last | :41:32. | :41:33. | |
and it was a tumour. She died last and it was a tumour. She died last | :41:33. | :41:33. | |
year, a victim of breathing in the year, a victim of breathing in the | :41:33. | :41:34. | |
year, a victim of breathing in the deadly dust from the school | :41:34. | :41:37. | |
deadly dust from the school deadly dust from the school | :41:37. | :41:38. | |
deadly dust from the school cupboard. She spent a lot of time in | :41:38. | :41:39. | |
cupboard. She spent a lot of time in cupboard. She spent a lot of time in | :41:39. | :41:42. | |
and out of their she said. and out of their she said. | :41:42. | :41:42. | |
and out of their she said. Obviously, she was exposed to | :41:42. | :41:48. | |
Obviously, she was exposed to asbestos dust because it's | :41:48. | :41:49. | |
asbestos dust because it's asbestos dust because it's | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
transpired that there was asbestos transpired that there was asbestos | :41:52. | :41:54. | |
transpired that there was asbestos in there. For many years, asbestos | :41:54. | :41:56. | |
in there. For many years, asbestos in there. For many years, asbestos | :41:56. | :41:56. | |
in there. For many years, asbestos was a building material and it was | :41:56. | :41:58. | |
was a building material and it was was a building material and it was | :41:58. | :41:59. | |
only decades later that the dangers only decades later that the dangers | :41:59. | :42:00. | |
only decades later that the dangers became apparent and its use was | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
became apparent and its use was ended. A Sunday Politics | :42:04. | :42:05. | |
ended. A Sunday Politics ended. A Sunday Politics | :42:05. | :42:07. | |
investigation shows that in the investigation shows that in the | :42:07. | :42:08. | |
investigation shows that in the investigation shows that in the | :42:08. | :42:09. | |
West, 80% of our schools contain it. West, 80% of our schools contain it. | :42:09. | :42:12. | |
West, 80% of our schools contain it. That's more than 800. It is | :42:12. | :42:13. | |
That's more than 800. It is especially high in Wiltshire, | :42:13. | :42:14. | |
especially high in Wiltshire, especially high in Wiltshire, | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
Somerset and Bath and North East Somerset and Bath and North East | :42:17. | :42:18. | |
Somerset and Bath and North East Somerset. If left undamaged it's not | :42:18. | :42:19. | |
Somerset. If left undamaged it's not Somerset. If left undamaged it's not | :42:19. | :42:20. | |
Somerset. If left undamaged it's not believed to be a danger but once | :42:20. | :42:21. | |
believed to be a danger but once believed to be a danger but once | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
disturbed, it must be dealt with. disturbed, it must be dealt with. | :42:23. | :42:25. | |
disturbed, it must be dealt with. disturbed, it must be dealt with. | :42:25. | :42:26. | |
Last year, a group of MPs and peers Last year, a group of MPs and peers | :42:26. | :42:28. | |
Last year, a group of MPs and peers called for a national scheme to | :42:28. | :42:28. | |
called for a national scheme to called for a national scheme to | :42:28. | :42:29. | |
called for a national scheme to remove it from schools branding it a | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
remove it from schools branding it a remove it from schools branding it a | :42:32. | :42:33. | |
national scandal. We can't afford to national scandal. We can't afford to | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
national scandal. We can't afford to national scandal. We can't afford to | :42:36. | :42:37. | |
put this off any longer. It's a put this off any longer. It's a | :42:37. | :42:38. | |
put this off any longer. It's a serious problem. If we don't deal | :42:38. | :42:39. | |
serious problem. If we don't deal serious problem. If we don't deal | :42:39. | :42:40. | |
serious problem. If we don't deal with it now, it will come up later | :42:41. | :42:41. | |
with it now, it will come up later with it now, it will come up later | :42:41. | :42:42. | |
with it now, it will come up later in the years and there will be more | :42:42. | :42:43. | |
in the years and there will be more in the years and there will be more | :42:43. | :42:44. | |
financial burden on the health financial burden on the health | :42:44. | :42:45. | |
financial burden on the health service and it will affect people's | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
service and it will affect people's service and it will affect people's | :42:48. | :42:49. | |
service and it will affect people's lives. This used to be classed as an | :42:49. | :42:50. | |
lives. This used to be classed as an lives. This used to be classed as an | :42:50. | :42:51. | |
industrial disease and I've lost industrial disease and I've lost | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
many friends through mesothelioma. many friends through mesothelioma. | :42:54. | :42:55. | |
many friends through mesothelioma. many friends through mesothelioma. | :42:55. | :42:56. | |
It's one of the most horrible deaths It's one of the most horrible deaths | :42:56. | :42:56. | |
It's one of the most horrible deaths It's one of the most horrible deaths | :42:56. | :42:58. | |
that you can imagine and I don't that you can imagine and I don't | :42:58. | :42:58. | |
that you can imagine and I don't want to see children or teachers | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
want to see children or teachers want to see children or teachers | :43:01. | :43:02. | |
going through this. Schools are told going through this. Schools are told | :43:02. | :43:03. | |
going through this. Schools are told going through this. Schools are told | :43:03. | :43:04. | |
to have plans in place, to know to have plans in place, to know | :43:04. | :43:05. | |
to have plans in place, to know to have plans in place, to know | :43:05. | :43:07. | |
where it is and how to tackle it. where it is and how to tackle it. | :43:07. | :43:08. | |
where it is and how to tackle it. The problem is getting rid of | :43:08. | :43:10. | |
The problem is getting rid of The problem is getting rid of | :43:10. | :43:11. | |
damaged asbestos can be costly as damaged asbestos can be costly as | :43:11. | :43:15. | |
damaged asbestos can be costly as this headteacher explains. What we | :43:15. | :43:16. | |
this headteacher explains. What we this headteacher explains. What we | :43:16. | :43:17. | |
this headteacher explains. What we spend on the removal is at the | :43:17. | :43:18. | |
spend on the removal is at the spend on the removal is at the | :43:18. | :43:20. | |
expense of teaching staff, learning expense of teaching staff, learning | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
expense of teaching staff, learning expense of teaching staff, learning | :43:23. | :43:24. | |
resources and so on. Is the �100,000 resources and so on. Is the �100,000 | :43:24. | :43:26. | |
resources and so on. Is the �100,000 figure, what does that equate to? | :43:26. | :43:27. | |
figure, what does that equate to? figure, what does that equate to? | :43:27. | :43:29. | |
figure, what does that equate to? That is roughly two and a half | :43:29. | :43:30. | |
That is roughly two and a half That is roughly two and a half | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
members of the teaching staff. members of the teaching staff. | :43:34. | :43:35. | |
members of the teaching staff. asked the School's Minister and West | :43:35. | :43:36. | |
asked the School's Minister and West asked the School's Minister and West | :43:36. | :43:37. | |
asked the School's Minister and West Country MP, David Laws, if he would | :43:37. | :43:38. | |
Country MP, David Laws, if he would Country MP, David Laws, if he would | :43:38. | :43:39. | |
come on and explain the government come on and explain the government | :43:39. | :43:41. | |
come on and explain the government 's policy. He declined to be | :43:41. | :43:42. | |
's policy. He declined to be 's policy. He declined to be | :43:42. | :43:43. | |
interviewed but in a statement his interviewed but in a statement his | :43:43. | :43:44. | |
interviewed but in a statement his interviewed but in a statement his | :43:44. | :43:45. | |
office told us, we are clear that office told us, we are clear that | :43:45. | :43:47. | |
office told us, we are clear that office told us, we are clear that | :43:47. | :43:48. | |
the health of pupils and staff is the health of pupils and staff is | :43:48. | :43:50. | |
the health of pupils and staff is paramount. We are working with the | :43:50. | :43:51. | |
paramount. We are working with the paramount. We are working with the | :43:51. | :43:51. | |
Health and Safety Executive to make Health and Safety Executive to make | :43:52. | :43:53. | |
Health and Safety Executive to make sure asbestos is tackled properly. | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
sure asbestos is tackled properly. sure asbestos is tackled properly. | :43:57. | :43:59. | |
Before Maggie's death, she won Before Maggie's death, she won | :43:59. | :44:00. | |
compensation from her former compensation from her former | :44:00. | :44:01. | |
compensation from her former employer. Alan simply hopes her | :44:01. | :44:02. | |
employer. Alan simply hopes her employer. Alan simply hopes her | :44:02. | :44:04. | |
employer. Alan simply hopes her death warrant has been in vain. | :44:04. | :44:08. | |
death warrant has been in vain. death warrant has been in vain. | :44:08. | :44:09. | |
unfortunate that she was unlucky unfortunate that she was unlucky | :44:09. | :44:10. | |
unfortunate that she was unlucky enough to be in that particular | :44:10. | :44:12. | |
enough to be in that particular enough to be in that particular | :44:12. | :44:13. | |
enough to be in that particular place, in that particular job for so | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
place, in that particular job for so place, in that particular job for so | :44:15. | :44:16. | |
long. If those lessons are learned long. If those lessons are learned | :44:16. | :44:18. | |
long. If those lessons are learned and people do something about it | :44:18. | :44:19. | |
and people do something about it and people do something about it | :44:19. | :44:20. | |
and people do something about it then Maggie would be happy and I | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
then Maggie would be happy and I would certainly be happy. | :44:23. | :44:24. | |
would certainly be happy. Public-health experts say teachers | :44:24. | :44:25. | |
Public-health experts say teachers Public-health experts say teachers | :44:25. | :44:28. | |
Public-health experts say teachers aren't at a higher risk as long as | :44:28. | :44:29. | |
aren't at a higher risk as long as aren't at a higher risk as long as | :44:29. | :44:32. | |
asbestos is dealt with properly. The asbestos is dealt with properly. The | :44:32. | :44:34. | |
asbestos is dealt with properly. The question is who pays and when? | :44:34. | :44:35. | |
question is who pays and when? question is who pays and when? | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
question is who pays and when? Joining us today is Michael Lees who | :44:38. | :44:39. | |
Joining us today is Michael Lees who Joining us today is Michael Lees who | :44:39. | :44:40. | |
lost his wife to mesothelioma, a lost his wife to mesothelioma, a | :44:40. | :44:42. | |
lost his wife to mesothelioma, a rare form of cancer caused by | :44:42. | :44:43. | |
rare form of cancer caused by rare form of cancer caused by | :44:43. | :44:44. | |
rare form of cancer caused by exposure to asbestos. He is part of | :44:44. | :44:45. | |
exposure to asbestos. He is part of exposure to asbestos. He is part of | :44:45. | :44:46. | |
exposure to asbestos. He is part of a campaign group to get all asbestos | :44:46. | :44:47. | |
a campaign group to get all asbestos a campaign group to get all asbestos | :44:47. | :44:48. | |
removed safely from schools. Thank removed safely from schools. Thank | :44:48. | :44:51. | |
removed safely from schools. Thank removed safely from schools. Thank | :44:51. | :44:52. | |
you for talking to us today. Sadly, you for talking to us today. Sadly, | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
you for talking to us today. Sadly, you for talking to us today. Sadly, | :44:55. | :44:56. | |
you lost your wife, what happened? you lost your wife, what happened? | :44:56. | :44:57. | |
you lost your wife, what happened? you lost your wife, what happened? | :44:57. | :44:58. | |
did indeed. My wife was a teacher did indeed. My wife was a teacher | :44:58. | :45:00. | |
did indeed. My wife was a teacher did indeed. My wife was a teacher | :45:00. | :45:02. | |
and she taught for 30 years in a and she taught for 30 years in a | :45:02. | :45:03. | |
and she taught for 30 years in a variety of schools. She was exposed | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
variety of schools. She was exposed variety of schools. She was exposed | :45:05. | :45:06. | |
to asbestos in those schools and to asbestos in those schools and | :45:07. | :45:08. | |
to asbestos in those schools and very sadly, she died of | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
very sadly, she died of very sadly, she died of | :45:11. | :45:12. | |
mesothelioma. The Health and Safety mesothelioma. The Health and Safety | :45:12. | :45:13. | |
mesothelioma. The Health and Safety Executive says in a statement that | :45:13. | :45:14. | |
Executive says in a statement that Executive says in a statement that | :45:14. | :45:16. | |
if asbestos is managed and if asbestos is managed and | :45:16. | :45:17. | |
if asbestos is managed and if asbestos is managed and | :45:17. | :45:22. | |
maintained, it does not pose a risk maintained, it does not pose a risk | :45:22. | :45:23. | |
maintained, it does not pose a risk maintained, it does not pose a risk | :45:23. | :45:25. | |
their health. We agree that if it is their health. We agree that if it is | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
their health. We agree that if it is their health. We agree that if it is | :45:29. | :45:30. | |
managed, that is true. In a school, managed, that is true. In a school, | :45:31. | :45:32. | |
managed, that is true. In a school, managed, that is true. In a school, | :45:32. | :45:33. | |
you have children where as in an you have children where as in an | :45:33. | :45:33. | |
you have children where as in an office you don't have thousands of | :45:34. | :45:34. | |
office you don't have thousands of office you don't have thousands of | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
children around the place and children around the place and | :45:38. | :45:39. | |
children around the place and although you can tell people there | :45:39. | :45:41. | |
although you can tell people there although you can tell people there | :45:41. | :45:42. | |
is asbestos in the office, you is asbestos in the office, you | :45:42. | :45:43. | |
is asbestos in the office, you cannot tell the children that. If | :45:43. | :45:44. | |
cannot tell the children that. If cannot tell the children that. If | :45:44. | :45:45. | |
cannot tell the children that. If you do tell the children that, the | :45:45. | :45:46. | |
you do tell the children that, the you do tell the children that, the | :45:46. | :45:47. | |
you do tell the children that, the chances are that one or two of them | :45:47. | :45:48. | |
chances are that one or two of them chances are that one or two of them | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
chances are that one or two of them will knock into a wall. How much | :45:51. | :45:53. | |
will knock into a wall. How much will knock into a wall. How much | :45:53. | :45:54. | |
would this cleanup cost? That's a would this cleanup cost? That's a | :45:54. | :45:55. | |
would this cleanup cost? That's a problem. Nobody knows and we have | :45:55. | :45:56. | |
problem. Nobody knows and we have problem. Nobody knows and we have | :45:56. | :45:57. | |
problem. Nobody knows and we have asked the government to carry out an | :45:57. | :45:59. | |
asked the government to carry out an asked the government to carry out an | :45:59. | :46:01. | |
asked the government to carry out an audit to find out the extent of | :46:01. | :46:02. | |
audit to find out the extent of audit to find out the extent of | :46:02. | :46:03. | |
asbestos in the schools and asbestos in the schools and | :46:03. | :46:05. | |
asbestos in the schools and therefore, they can make financial | :46:05. | :46:07. | |
therefore, they can make financial therefore, they can make financial | :46:07. | :46:08. | |
forecasts. They can prioritise the forecasts. They can prioritise the | :46:08. | :46:10. | |
forecasts. They can prioritise the most dangerous schools, but the | :46:10. | :46:11. | |
most dangerous schools, but the government, although they are | :46:11. | :46:13. | |
government, although they are government, although they are | :46:13. | :46:13. | |
carrying out a review of the carrying out a review of the | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
carrying out a review of the condition of school buildings, the | :46:16. | :46:17. | |
condition of school buildings, the condition of school buildings, the | :46:17. | :46:19. | |
condition of school buildings, the one item that has been excluded is | :46:19. | :46:20. | |
one item that has been excluded is asbestos which is totally | :46:20. | :46:21. | |
asbestos which is totally asbestos which is totally | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
illogical. If you are rewiring a illogical. If you are rewiring a | :46:24. | :46:25. | |
illogical. If you are rewiring a illogical. If you are rewiring a | :46:25. | :46:27. | |
school, you have two get rid of the school, you have two get rid of the | :46:27. | :46:28. | |
school, you have two get rid of the asbestos first. I cannot tell you | :46:28. | :46:30. | |
asbestos first. I cannot tell you asbestos first. I cannot tell you | :46:30. | :46:32. | |
asbestos first. I cannot tell you how much of a cost. Can the expense | :46:32. | :46:34. | |
how much of a cost. Can the expense how much of a cost. Can the expense | :46:34. | :46:36. | |
be justified against the risk which be justified against the risk which | :46:36. | :46:38. | |
be justified against the risk which be justified against the risk which | :46:38. | :46:39. | |
is pretty small? I dispute the fact is pretty small? I dispute the fact | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
is pretty small? I dispute the fact is pretty small? I dispute the fact | :46:42. | :46:42. | |
that the risk is small. Since 1980, that the risk is small. Since 1980, | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
that the risk is small. Since 1980, people like my wife and Maggie, | :46:48. | :46:49. | |
people like my wife and Maggie, people like my wife and Maggie, | :46:49. | :46:51. | |
269, have died of mesothelioma. 269, have died of mesothelioma. | :46:51. | :46:52. | |
269, have died of mesothelioma. 269, have died of mesothelioma. | :46:52. | :46:53. | |
There were three a year dying in There were three a year dying in | :46:53. | :46:54. | |
There were three a year dying in There were three a year dying in | :46:54. | :46:59. | |
1980 and there are 14 a year 1980 and there are 14 a year | :46:59. | :47:00. | |
1980 and there are 14 a year nowadays. Many have died of | :47:00. | :47:02. | |
nowadays. Many have died of nowadays. Many have died of | :47:02. | :47:03. | |
mesothelioma. In America, they made mesothelioma. In America, they made | :47:04. | :47:06. | |
mesothelioma. In America, they made a calculation into asbestos and made | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
a calculation into asbestos and made a calculation into asbestos and made | :47:09. | :47:11. | |
an assessment that every teacher and an assessment that every teacher and | :47:11. | :47:12. | |
an assessment that every teacher and support staff 's death of | :47:12. | :47:14. | |
support staff 's death of mesothelioma, nine children would | :47:14. | :47:15. | |
mesothelioma, nine children would mesothelioma, nine children would | :47:15. | :47:17. | |
subsequently died. If you look at subsequently died. If you look at | :47:17. | :47:17. | |
subsequently died. If you look at subsequently died. If you look at | :47:17. | :47:19. | |
the figure in our country, it means the figure in our country, it means | :47:19. | :47:22. | |
the figure in our country, it means the figure in our country, it means | :47:22. | :47:23. | |
more than 2000 pupils have died of more than 2000 pupils have died of | :47:23. | :47:24. | |
more than 2000 pupils have died of more than 2000 pupils have died of | :47:24. | :47:25. | |
exposure in schools. That is not a exposure in schools. That is not a | :47:25. | :47:26. | |
exposure in schools. That is not a exposure in schools. That is not a | :47:26. | :47:27. | |
low risk. Thank you for joining us. low risk. Thank you for joining us. | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
low risk. Thank you for joining us. low risk. Thank you for joining us. | :47:30. | :47:31. | |
Let's open the debate to the people Let's open the debate to the people | :47:31. | :47:32. | |
Let's open the debate to the people here. Clare, where would this come | :47:32. | :47:33. | |
here. Clare, where would this come here. Clare, where would this come | :47:33. | :47:34. | |
here. Clare, where would this come in your list of priorities if you | :47:34. | :47:35. | |
in your list of priorities if you in your list of priorities if you | :47:35. | :47:37. | |
in your list of priorities if you were in charge of public spending? | :47:37. | :47:39. | |
were in charge of public spending? were in charge of public spending? | :47:39. | :47:40. | |
think, as Michael said, you are think, as Michael said, you are | :47:40. | :47:41. | |
think, as Michael said, you are talking about lives that are risk | :47:41. | :47:43. | |
talking about lives that are risk talking about lives that are risk | :47:43. | :47:45. | |
here will stop mesothelioma is a here will stop mesothelioma is a | :47:45. | :47:49. | |
here will stop mesothelioma is a ghastly disease for people and a | :47:49. | :47:49. | |
ghastly disease for people and a ghastly disease for people and a | :47:50. | :47:52. | |
dreadful death for families to go dreadful death for families to go | :47:52. | :47:55. | |
dreadful death for families to go through. At the time, that the | :47:55. | :47:58. | |
through. At the time, that the through. At the time, that the | :47:58. | :47:59. | |
government took over, there was the government took over, there was the | :47:59. | :48:00. | |
building schools for future building schools for future | :48:00. | :48:02. | |
building schools for future programme which was going to | :48:02. | :48:03. | |
programme which was going to programme which was going to | :48:03. | :48:05. | |
refurbish schools and part of that refurbish schools and part of that | :48:05. | :48:08. | |
refurbish schools and part of that would have been the replacement of | :48:08. | :48:09. | |
would have been the replacement of would have been the replacement of | :48:09. | :48:11. | |
asbestos in a large number of asbestos in a large number of | :48:11. | :48:12. | |
asbestos in a large number of asbestos in a large number of | :48:12. | :48:13. | |
schools that we talked about in the schools that we talked about in the | :48:13. | :48:14. | |
schools that we talked about in the report earlier on. It's a question | :48:15. | :48:16. | |
report earlier on. It's a question report earlier on. It's a question | :48:17. | :48:18. | |
of priorities. Robert, in your of priorities. Robert, in your | :48:18. | :48:19. | |
of priorities. Robert, in your constituency, this disease is well | :48:19. | :48:19. | |
constituency, this disease is well constituency, this disease is well | :48:19. | :48:22. | |
known because of the Swindon railway known because of the Swindon railway | :48:22. | :48:26. | |
known because of the Swindon railway known because of the Swindon railway | :48:26. | :48:26. | |
works. What's your take on this? works. What's your take on this? | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
works. What's your take on this? works. What's your take on this? | :48:29. | :48:30. | |
you say, there is a personal feeling you say, there is a personal feeling | :48:30. | :48:31. | |
you say, there is a personal feeling in Swindon about mesothelioma and | :48:31. | :48:33. | |
in Swindon about mesothelioma and in Swindon about mesothelioma and | :48:33. | :48:34. | |
the effects on it. In Swindon the effects on it. In Swindon | :48:34. | :48:35. | |
the effects on it. In Swindon the effects on it. In Swindon | :48:35. | :48:37. | |
schools, there has been a lot of schools, there has been a lot of | :48:37. | :48:38. | |
schools, there has been a lot of schools, there has been a lot of | :48:38. | :48:39. | |
good work done to remove it from good work done to remove it from | :48:39. | :48:41. | |
good work done to remove it from older schools. Today I was talking | :48:41. | :48:42. | |
older schools. Today I was talking older schools. Today I was talking | :48:42. | :48:43. | |
older schools. Today I was talking to a senior officer from my local | :48:43. | :48:43. | |
to a senior officer from my local to a senior officer from my local | :48:43. | :48:45. | |
to a senior officer from my local authority and I've asked him to look | :48:45. | :48:45. | |
authority and I've asked him to look authority and I've asked him to look | :48:45. | :48:46. | |
authority and I've asked him to look again at the nature of the problem | :48:46. | :48:48. | |
again at the nature of the problem again at the nature of the problem | :48:48. | :48:49. | |
again at the nature of the problem and if it still exists in Swindon. | :48:49. | :48:50. | |
and if it still exists in Swindon. and if it still exists in Swindon. | :48:50. | :48:53. | |
As everyone agrees, if it is As everyone agrees, if it is | :48:53. | :48:53. | |
As everyone agrees, if it is properly managed, then schools can | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
properly managed, then schools can properly managed, then schools can | :48:56. | :48:57. | |
properly managed, then schools can remain safe places to work in. Mr | :48:57. | :48:58. | |
remain safe places to work in. Mr remain safe places to work in. Mr | :48:58. | :49:00. | |
remain safe places to work in. Mr Lees did say that if it was properly | :49:00. | :49:01. | |
Lees did say that if it was properly Lees did say that if it was properly | :49:01. | :49:02. | |
managed then the risk was minimised managed then the risk was minimised | :49:02. | :49:03. | |
managed then the risk was minimised managed then the risk was minimised | :49:03. | :49:04. | |
but there is still a risk and I but there is still a risk and I | :49:04. | :49:05. | |
but there is still a risk and I but there is still a risk and I | :49:05. | :49:06. | |
think all of us would agree that think all of us would agree that | :49:06. | :49:08. | |
think all of us would agree that think all of us would agree that | :49:08. | :49:09. | |
removal of that risk has to be a removal of that risk has to be a | :49:09. | :49:11. | |
removal of that risk has to be a removal of that risk has to be a | :49:11. | :49:11. | |
priority. I think it's right to say priority. I think it's right to say | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
priority. I think it's right to say that with new capital funding | :49:15. | :49:16. | |
that with new capital funding programmes and other resources, | :49:16. | :49:18. | |
programmes and other resources, programmes and other resources, | :49:18. | :49:20. | |
there are funds available that local there are funds available that local | :49:20. | :49:21. | |
there are funds available that local authorities and academies can apply | :49:21. | :49:22. | |
authorities and academies can apply authorities and academies can apply | :49:22. | :49:23. | |
authorities and academies can apply authorities and academies can apply | :49:23. | :49:24. | |
for, and I will do my part to make for, and I will do my part to make | :49:24. | :49:26. | |
for, and I will do my part to make for, and I will do my part to make | :49:26. | :49:28. | |
sure asbestos becomes a thing of the sure asbestos becomes a thing of the | :49:28. | :49:29. | |
sure asbestos becomes a thing of the sure asbestos becomes a thing of the | :49:29. | :49:29. | |
past. You are both agreeing that the past. You are both agreeing that the | :49:29. | :49:31. | |
past. You are both agreeing that the government should spend money on | :49:31. | :49:31. | |
government should spend money on government should spend money on | :49:31. | :49:35. | |
this even a bit costs teachers? this even a bit costs teachers? | :49:35. | :49:36. | |
this even a bit costs teachers? Where there is a clear risk, | :49:36. | :49:45. | |
Where there is a clear risk, Where there is a clear risk, | :49:45. | :49:45. | |
absolutely. The problem is that absolutely. The problem is that | :49:45. | :49:46. | |
absolutely. The problem is that schools will need refurbishment at | :49:46. | :49:47. | |
schools will need refurbishment at schools will need refurbishment at | :49:47. | :49:49. | |
schools will need refurbishment at this point so if they are going in | :49:49. | :49:51. | |
this point so if they are going in this point so if they are going in | :49:51. | :49:52. | |
this point so if they are going in to rewire a school, for example, and | :49:52. | :49:53. | |
to rewire a school, for example, and to rewire a school, for example, and | :49:53. | :49:54. | |
they discovered there is asbestos, they discovered there is asbestos, | :49:54. | :49:55. | |
they discovered there is asbestos, they discovered there is asbestos, | :49:55. | :49:56. | |
they have to deal with it then they have to deal with it then | :49:56. | :49:57. | |
they have to deal with it then rather than having a full | :49:57. | :49:59. | |
rather than having a full rather than having a full | :49:59. | :50:02. | |
assessment. One corner of the West assessment. One corner of the West | :50:02. | :50:03. | |
assessment. One corner of the West Country is getting Britain's biggest | :50:03. | :50:06. | |
Country is getting Britain's biggest Country is getting Britain's biggest | :50:06. | :50:07. | |
fall in council tax. Several fall in council tax. Several | :50:07. | :50:07. | |
fall in council tax. Several authorities are pushing up charges. | :50:07. | :50:11. | |
authorities are pushing up charges. authorities are pushing up charges. | :50:11. | :50:12. | |
Ministers handed out bouquets to the Ministers handed out bouquets to the | :50:12. | :50:20. | |
Ministers handed out bouquets to the Cotswolds for their cuts. The bills | :50:20. | :50:22. | |
Cotswolds for their cuts. The bills Cotswolds for their cuts. The bills | :50:22. | :50:23. | |
will soon be printed. More will soon be printed. More | :50:23. | :50:24. | |
will soon be printed. More authorities than ever have defied | :50:24. | :50:25. | |
authorities than ever have defied authorities than ever have defied | :50:25. | :50:27. | |
this government is pushed for a this government is pushed for a | :50:27. | :50:28. | |
this government is pushed for a freeze. Few want praise for cutting | :50:28. | :50:31. | |
freeze. Few want praise for cutting freeze. Few want praise for cutting | :50:31. | :50:32. | |
freeze. Few want praise for cutting charges. We are clear that we want | :50:32. | :50:33. | |
charges. We are clear that we want charges. We are clear that we want | :50:33. | :50:36. | |
local councils to think about local councils to think about | :50:36. | :50:37. | |
hard-working taxpayers and either hard-working taxpayers and either | :50:37. | :50:39. | |
hard-working taxpayers and either hard-working taxpayers and either | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
freeze or reduce tax. It can be freeze or reduce tax. It can be | :50:42. | :50:42. | |
freeze or reduce tax. It can be done. Cotswold make savings by | :50:43. | :50:45. | |
done. Cotswold make savings by done. Cotswold make savings by | :50:45. | :50:45. | |
sharing staff and services with sharing staff and services with | :50:45. | :50:47. | |
neighbouring councils. Ministers neighbouring councils. Ministers | :50:47. | :50:48. | |
neighbouring councils. Ministers neighbouring councils. Ministers | :50:48. | :50:49. | |
want this done by others such as want this done by others such as | :50:49. | :50:50. | |
want this done by others such as West Somerset which is putting up | :50:50. | :50:52. | |
West Somerset which is putting up West Somerset which is putting up | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
West Somerset which is putting up its yearly charge by �5. So too is | :50:55. | :50:55. | |
its yearly charge by �5. So too is neighbouring Sedgemoor District | :50:55. | :50:58. | |
neighbouring Sedgemoor District neighbouring Sedgemoor District | :50:58. | :50:59. | |
Council. Also raising tax are North Council. Also raising tax are North | :50:59. | :51:00. | |
Council. Also raising tax are North Council. Also raising tax are North | :51:00. | :51:00. | |
Somerset by one and a half %, and Somerset by one and a half %, and | :51:01. | :51:04. | |
Somerset by one and a half %, and Somerset by one and a half %, and | :51:04. | :51:06. | |
Bristol by 2%. We are a lean Bristol by 2%. We are a lean | :51:06. | :51:06. | |
Bristol by 2%. We are a lean Bristol by 2%. We are a lean | :51:06. | :51:07. | |
council. Life is not easy but what council. Life is not easy but what | :51:07. | :51:08. | |
council. Life is not easy but what council. Life is not easy but what | :51:08. | :51:10. | |
council. Life is not easy but what we have tried to do is make sure we | :51:10. | :51:11. | |
we have tried to do is make sure we we have tried to do is make sure we | :51:11. | :51:13. | |
have is cut any services. Others have is cut any services. Others | :51:13. | :51:15. | |
have is cut any services. Others have tried to show ministers they | :51:15. | :51:15. | |
have tried to show ministers they are efficient. North Somerset's | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
are efficient. North Somerset's Conservative leader. The Secretary | :51:18. | :51:19. | |
Conservative leader. The Secretary Conservative leader. The Secretary | :51:19. | :51:20. | |
of State for local government to of State for local government to | :51:20. | :51:21. | |
of State for local government to of State for local government to | :51:21. | :51:22. | |
come and see for himself. He told come and see for himself. He told | :51:22. | :51:23. | |
come and see for himself. He told Eric Pickles that they lose out | :51:23. | :51:25. | |
Eric Pickles that they lose out Eric Pickles that they lose out | :51:25. | :51:26. | |
Eric Pickles that they lose out because their council tax is low the | :51:26. | :51:28. | |
because their council tax is low the because their council tax is low the | :51:28. | :51:30. | |
most. It's frustrating. I have many most. It's frustrating. I have many | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
meetings with ministers and meetings with ministers and | :51:33. | :51:33. | |
meetings with ministers and unfortunately, we are all treated | :51:33. | :51:36. | |
unfortunately, we are all treated unfortunately, we are all treated | :51:36. | :51:38. | |
exactly the same. Those successful exactly the same. Those successful | :51:38. | :51:38. | |
exactly the same. Those successful councils that have done what is | :51:38. | :51:40. | |
councils that have done what is councils that have done what is | :51:40. | :51:43. | |
expected and reduced costs year expected and reduced costs year | :51:43. | :51:44. | |
expected and reduced costs year expected and reduced costs year | :51:44. | :51:47. | |
after year then seem to get no after year then seem to get no | :51:47. | :51:48. | |
after year then seem to get no after year then seem to get no | :51:48. | :51:49. | |
recognition when an order is put out recognition when an order is put out | :51:49. | :51:51. | |
recognition when an order is put out recognition when an order is put out | :51:51. | :51:51. | |
for all councils to do the same and for all councils to do the same and | :51:51. | :51:53. | |
for all councils to do the same and reduce things further. There is one | :51:53. | :51:54. | |
reduce things further. There is one reduce things further. There is one | :51:54. | :51:55. | |
thing on which central and local thing on which central and local | :51:55. | :51:56. | |
thing on which central and local government agree, the years to come | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
government agree, the years to come government agree, the years to come | :51:59. | :52:00. | |
will be tougher. Here is the will be tougher. Here is the | :52:01. | :52:02. | |
will be tougher. Here is the outgoing leader of Swindon borough | :52:02. | :52:03. | |
outgoing leader of Swindon borough outgoing leader of Swindon borough | :52:03. | :52:05. | |
outgoing leader of Swindon borough council, man cap. Rod Bluh. Why are | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
council, man cap. Rod Bluh. Why are council, man cap. Rod Bluh. Why are | :52:08. | :52:09. | |
council, man cap. Rod Bluh. Why are you leaving us? There is always a | :52:09. | :52:10. | |
you leaving us? There is always a you leaving us? There is always a | :52:10. | :52:11. | |
you leaving us? There is always a time to make the move. I have been | :52:11. | :52:12. | |
time to make the move. I have been time to make the move. I have been | :52:12. | :52:13. | |
leader for seven years and was leader for seven years and was | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
leader for seven years and was deputy leader before that. I'm not | :52:16. | :52:17. | |
deputy leader before that. I'm not deputy leader before that. I'm not | :52:17. | :52:18. | |
getting any younger and need to getting any younger and need to | :52:18. | :52:19. | |
getting any younger and need to think about the future. An | :52:19. | :52:23. | |
think about the future. An think about the future. An | :52:23. | :52:24. | |
opportunity came along. Let's talk opportunity came along. Let's talk | :52:24. | :52:26. | |
opportunity came along. Let's talk about the council tax. You have | :52:26. | :52:30. | |
about the council tax. You have about the council tax. You have | :52:30. | :52:30. | |
about the council tax. You have frozen yours? We have. We had the | :52:31. | :52:31. | |
frozen yours? We have. We had the frozen yours? We have. We had the | :52:31. | :52:32. | |
frozen yours? We have. We had the frozen yours? We have. We had the | :52:32. | :52:34. | |
freedom to put it up but it was a freedom to put it up but it was a | :52:34. | :52:35. | |
freedom to put it up but it was a balanced judgement call and I think | :52:35. | :52:35. | |
balanced judgement call and I think balanced judgement call and I think | :52:36. | :52:36. | |
balanced judgement call and I think it would've been a good idea to put | :52:36. | :52:37. | |
it would've been a good idea to put it would've been a good idea to put | :52:38. | :52:40. | |
it would've been a good idea to put the council tax up but, you know, | :52:40. | :52:41. | |
the council tax up but, you know, the council tax up but, you know, | :52:41. | :52:42. | |
it's about balancing that between it's about balancing that between | :52:42. | :52:46. | |
it's about balancing that between the effects on residents. I would | :52:46. | :52:49. | |
the effects on residents. I would the effects on residents. I would | :52:49. | :52:51. | |
echo virtually every word that Nigel echo virtually every word that Nigel | :52:51. | :52:52. | |
echo virtually every word that Nigel echo virtually every word that Nigel | :52:52. | :52:53. | |
Jess said. All councils are not in a Jess said. All councils are not in a | :52:53. | :52:54. | |
Jess said. All councils are not in a similar position and it's been clear | :52:54. | :52:55. | |
similar position and it's been clear similar position and it's been clear | :52:55. | :52:57. | |
since the beginning that some are since the beginning that some are | :52:57. | :52:58. | |
since the beginning that some are leaner than others. We've done | :52:58. | :52:59. | |
leaner than others. We've done leaner than others. We've done | :52:59. | :53:04. | |
everything we needed to do. Locally everything we needed to do. Locally | :53:04. | :53:05. | |
everything we needed to do. Locally elected and locally in countable | :53:05. | :53:05. | |
elected and locally in countable elected and locally in countable | :53:05. | :53:06. | |
elected and locally in countable budge or hands are tied by what Eric | :53:06. | :53:07. | |
budge or hands are tied by what Eric budge or hands are tied by what Eric | :53:07. | :53:08. | |
Pickles and central government says Pickles and central government says | :53:08. | :53:12. | |
Pickles and central government says Pickles and central government says | :53:12. | :53:13. | |
about what you can charge people. about what you can charge people. | :53:13. | :53:13. | |
about what you can charge people. believe in localism and believe that | :53:13. | :53:14. | |
believe in localism and believe that believe in localism and believe that | :53:14. | :53:15. | |
believe in localism and believe that it should be up to the local | :53:15. | :53:17. | |
it should be up to the local it should be up to the local | :53:17. | :53:19. | |
government. If you want a put government. If you want a put | :53:19. | :53:21. | |
government. If you want a put government. If you want a put | :53:21. | :53:22. | |
council tax up by more than 2% council tax up by more than 2% | :53:22. | :53:23. | |
council tax up by more than 2% before you have to have a | :53:23. | :53:24. | |
before you have to have a before you have to have a | :53:24. | :53:25. | |
before you have to have a referendum, should you be free to do | :53:25. | :53:27. | |
referendum, should you be free to do referendum, should you be free to do | :53:27. | :53:28. | |
referendum, should you be free to do so? I think we should. Whether we | :53:28. | :53:28. | |
so? I think we should. Whether we so? I think we should. Whether we | :53:28. | :53:30. | |
so? I think we should. Whether we want to go to the expense of a | :53:30. | :53:31. | |
want to go to the expense of a want to go to the expense of a | :53:31. | :53:32. | |
referendum is a different issue. I referendum is a different issue. I | :53:32. | :53:33. | |
referendum is a different issue. I referendum is a different issue. I | :53:33. | :53:33. | |
referendum is a different issue. I think the cap is too low and I think | :53:33. | :53:34. | |
think the cap is too low and I think think the cap is too low and I think | :53:34. | :53:35. | |
think the cap is too low and I think it should be up to councillors and | :53:35. | :53:36. | |
it should be up to councillors and it should be up to councillors and | :53:36. | :53:37. | |
their residents about what is right their residents about what is right | :53:37. | :53:39. | |
their residents about what is right their residents about what is right | :53:39. | :53:40. | |
for their local place. We are not in for their local place. We are not in | :53:40. | :53:41. | |
for their local place. We are not in for their local place. We are not in | :53:41. | :53:42. | |
an equal position and it's not just an equal position and it's not just | :53:42. | :53:43. | |
an equal position and it's not just an equal position and it's not just | :53:43. | :53:43. | |
the austerity cuts we have to deal the austerity cuts we have to deal | :53:43. | :53:46. | |
the austerity cuts we have to deal the austerity cuts we have to deal | :53:46. | :53:47. | |
with. We have to deal with massive with. We have to deal with massive | :53:47. | :53:49. | |
with. We have to deal with massive rise in demand. Would you like | :53:49. | :53:50. | |
rise in demand. Would you like rise in demand. Would you like | :53:50. | :53:52. | |
central government off your back? central government off your back? | :53:52. | :53:53. | |
central government off your back? believe in localism and less | :53:53. | :53:54. | |
believe in localism and less interference from government would | :53:54. | :53:56. | |
interference from government would interference from government would | :53:56. | :53:59. | |
interference from government would be a better thing. Why does central | :53:59. | :54:00. | |
be a better thing. Why does central government boss local authorities | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
government boss local authorities government boss local authorities | :54:03. | :54:04. | |
around? I think we all shared around? I think we all shared | :54:04. | :54:05. | |
around? I think we all shared concern about the cost of living. | :54:05. | :54:07. | |
concern about the cost of living. concern about the cost of living. | :54:07. | :54:09. | |
concern about the cost of living. Times are tough, it incomes are not | :54:09. | :54:10. | |
Times are tough, it incomes are not Times are tough, it incomes are not | :54:10. | :54:11. | |
Times are tough, it incomes are not going up but prices are. Costs are | :54:11. | :54:13. | |
going up but prices are. Costs are going up but prices are. Costs are | :54:13. | :54:14. | |
going up but prices are. Costs are going up for people. One of the big | :54:14. | :54:16. | |
going up for people. One of the big going up for people. One of the big | :54:16. | :54:16. | |
going up for people. One of the big costs for people is council tax and | :54:16. | :54:17. | |
costs for people is council tax and costs for people is council tax and | :54:17. | :54:18. | |
costs for people is council tax and costs for people is council tax and | :54:18. | :54:19. | |
I want to pay tribute to Rod and his I want to pay tribute to Rod and his | :54:19. | :54:20. | |
I want to pay tribute to Rod and his team because they have frozen | :54:20. | :54:21. | |
team because they have frozen team because they have frozen | :54:21. | :54:22. | |
team because they have frozen council tax for the last couple of | :54:22. | :54:23. | |
council tax for the last couple of council tax for the last couple of | :54:23. | :54:24. | |
years and before that delivered low years and before that delivered low | :54:24. | :54:26. | |
years and before that delivered low rises. A few years before that, | :54:26. | :54:28. | |
rises. A few years before that, rises. A few years before that, | :54:28. | :54:29. | |
people in Swindon were facing rises people in Swindon were facing rises | :54:29. | :54:30. | |
people in Swindon were facing rises people in Swindon were facing rises | :54:30. | :54:32. | |
people in Swindon were facing rises of 15 or 20% in one year. That was | :54:32. | :54:35. | |
of 15 or 20% in one year. That was of 15 or 20% in one year. That was | :54:35. | :54:36. | |
unacceptable and its huge burden on unacceptable and its huge burden on | :54:36. | :54:39. | |
unacceptable and its huge burden on families. Ibuprofen that, wide can | :54:39. | :54:40. | |
families. Ibuprofen that, wide can families. Ibuprofen that, wide can | :54:41. | :54:41. | |
families. Ibuprofen that, wide can that not be allowed? I would say | :54:41. | :54:42. | |
that not be allowed? I would say that not be allowed? I would say | :54:42. | :54:44. | |
that the principle of having a that the principle of having a | :54:44. | :54:45. | |
that the principle of having a referendum would give a direct say | :54:45. | :54:47. | |
referendum would give a direct say referendum would give a direct say | :54:47. | :54:49. | |
referendum would give a direct say for the public on council tax rises. | :54:49. | :54:50. | |
for the public on council tax rises. for the public on council tax rises. | :54:50. | :54:51. | |
People vote in elections for a People vote in elections for a | :54:51. | :54:54. | |
People vote in elections for a People vote in elections for a | :54:54. | :54:55. | |
variety of reasons... I know you are variety of reasons... I know you are | :54:55. | :54:58. | |
variety of reasons... I know you are variety of reasons... I know you are | :54:59. | :55:00. | |
mates and all that. We have worked mates and all that. We have worked | :55:00. | :55:00. | |
mates and all that. We have worked very closely and I believe we | :55:00. | :55:02. | |
very closely and I believe we very closely and I believe we | :55:02. | :55:03. | |
very closely and I believe we localism but at the same time, it | :55:03. | :55:04. | |
localism but at the same time, it localism but at the same time, it | :55:04. | :55:05. | |
would be irresponsible for the would be irresponsible for the | :55:05. | :55:05. | |
would be irresponsible for the government to ignore the reality of | :55:05. | :55:08. | |
government to ignore the reality of government to ignore the reality of | :55:08. | :55:09. | |
life. Claire, due think the council life. Claire, due think the council | :55:09. | :55:11. | |
life. Claire, due think the council should be allowed to charge what | :55:11. | :55:13. | |
should be allowed to charge what should be allowed to charge what | :55:13. | :55:14. | |
they want without asking Eric they want without asking Eric | :55:14. | :55:15. | |
they want without asking Eric they want without asking Eric | :55:15. | :55:18. | |
Pickles? Yes. I think I would echo a Pickles? Yes. I think I would echo a | :55:18. | :55:19. | |
Pickles? Yes. I think I would echo a Pickles? Yes. I think I would echo a | :55:19. | :55:20. | |
lot of Rod's points. There is a lot of Rod's points. There is a | :55:20. | :55:26. | |
referendum on local governments. referendum on local governments. | :55:26. | :55:27. | |
referendum on local governments. referendum on local governments. | :55:27. | :55:29. | |
Also, what you are looking at here, Also, what you are looking at here, | :55:29. | :55:31. | |
Also, what you are looking at here, is local councils being caught | :55:31. | :55:32. | |
is local councils being caught is local councils being caught | :55:32. | :55:33. | |
is local councils being caught between the devil and the deep blue | :55:33. | :55:35. | |
between the devil and the deep blue between the devil and the deep blue | :55:35. | :55:37. | |
sea. They are having cuts handed sea. They are having cuts handed | :55:37. | :55:38. | |
sea. They are having cuts handed sea. They are having cuts handed | :55:38. | :55:39. | |
down from up high with Eric Pickles, down from up high with Eric Pickles, | :55:39. | :55:40. | |
down from up high with Eric Pickles, whilst having increased strain on | :55:40. | :55:41. | |
whilst having increased strain on whilst having increased strain on | :55:41. | :55:43. | |
the services they are trying to the services they are trying to | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
the services they are trying to offer. Cuts, raising council taxes, | :55:46. | :55:47. | |
offer. Cuts, raising council taxes, offer. Cuts, raising council taxes, | :55:47. | :55:48. | |
offer. Cuts, raising council taxes, but they are in a lock through | :55:48. | :55:50. | |
but they are in a lock through but they are in a lock through | :55:50. | :55:51. | |
central government as well. We wish central government as well. We wish | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
central government as well. We wish central government as well. We wish | :55:54. | :55:56. | |
you well in your new career. You are you well in your new career. You are | :55:56. | :55:56. | |
you well in your new career. You are you well in your new career. You are | :55:56. | :55:58. | |
off to do other things. I will miss off to do other things. I will miss | :55:58. | :55:59. | |
off to do other things. I will miss off to do other things. I will miss | :55:59. | :56:02. | |
it. It's been a great seven years of it. It's been a great seven years of | :56:02. | :56:04. | |
it. It's been a great seven years of experience. Thank you. The Bristol | :56:04. | :56:05. | |
experience. Thank you. The Bristol experience. Thank you. The Bristol | :56:05. | :56:06. | |
Conservative MP Charlotte Leslie is Conservative MP Charlotte Leslie is | :56:06. | :56:07. | |
Conservative MP Charlotte Leslie is demanding the chief of the NHS | :56:07. | :56:09. | |
demanding the chief of the NHS demanding the chief of the NHS | :56:09. | :56:10. | |
resign over the scandal in mid resign over the scandal in mid | :56:10. | :56:11. | |
resign over the scandal in mid Staffordshire. She has been backed | :56:11. | :56:12. | |
Staffordshire. She has been backed Staffordshire. She has been backed | :56:12. | :56:13. | |
Staffordshire. She has been backed by local GP and campaign ad Doctor | :56:13. | :56:15. | |
by local GP and campaign ad Doctor by local GP and campaign ad Doctor | :56:15. | :56:16. | |
Phil Hammond who helped uncover the Phil Hammond who helped uncover the | :56:16. | :56:17. | |
Phil Hammond who helped uncover the Bristol heart scandal over ten years | :56:17. | :56:18. | |
Bristol heart scandal over ten years Bristol heart scandal over ten years | :56:18. | :56:19. | |
Bristol heart scandal over ten years ago. I caught up with them in | :56:19. | :56:20. | |
ago. I caught up with them in ago. I caught up with them in | :56:20. | :56:22. | |
Westminster are little earlier and Westminster are little earlier and | :56:22. | :56:23. | |
Westminster are little earlier and started asking Charlotte why she | :56:23. | :56:24. | |
started asking Charlotte why she started asking Charlotte why she | :56:24. | :56:27. | |
thinks Sir David Nicholson should thinks Sir David Nicholson should | :56:27. | :56:28. | |
thinks Sir David Nicholson should thinks Sir David Nicholson should | :56:28. | :56:30. | |
go. In any other walk of life, if go. In any other walk of life, if | :56:30. | :56:31. | |
go. In any other walk of life, if go. In any other walk of life, if | :56:31. | :56:32. | |
you are responsible and at the head you are responsible and at the head | :56:32. | :56:33. | |
you are responsible and at the head of an organisation that seen the | :56:33. | :56:34. | |
of an organisation that seen the of an organisation that seen the | :56:34. | :56:36. | |
death of patients, would you not death of patients, would you not | :56:36. | :56:37. | |
death of patients, would you not death of patients, would you not | :56:37. | :56:40. | |
have to go? The NHS should not any have to go? The NHS should not any | :56:40. | :56:41. | |
different to another organisation different to another organisation | :56:41. | :56:42. | |
different to another organisation and talks of accountability are | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
and talks of accountability are and talks of accountability are | :56:45. | :56:46. | |
meaningless unless action is taken. meaningless unless action is taken. | :56:46. | :56:48. | |
meaningless unless action is taken. meaningless unless action is taken. | :56:48. | :56:49. | |
The cap the tri- minister has warned The cap the tri- minister has warned | :56:49. | :56:51. | |
The cap the tri- minister has warned against scapegoats. I think there is | :56:51. | :56:53. | |
against scapegoats. I think there is against scapegoats. I think there is | :56:53. | :56:53. | |
a difference between scapegoats and a difference between scapegoats and | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
holding people responsible. Let's holding people responsible. Let's | :56:56. | :56:57. | |
holding people responsible. Let's holding people responsible. Let's | :56:57. | :56:58. | |
move on to Doctor Phil Hammond. Do move on to Doctor Phil Hammond. Do | :56:58. | :56:58. | |
move on to Doctor Phil Hammond. Do move on to Doctor Phil Hammond. Do | :56:59. | :57:02. | |
you think he should quit or be you think he should quit or be | :57:02. | :57:04. | |
you think he should quit or be sacked? Yes, I came out immediately | :57:04. | :57:05. | |
sacked? Yes, I came out immediately sacked? Yes, I came out immediately | :57:05. | :57:05. | |
sacked? Yes, I came out immediately as Francis was speaking and wrote a | :57:05. | :57:07. | |
as Francis was speaking and wrote a as Francis was speaking and wrote a | :57:07. | :57:07. | |
as Francis was speaking and wrote a piece in The Times saying he should | :57:07. | :57:08. | |
piece in The Times saying he should piece in The Times saying he should | :57:08. | :57:10. | |
piece in The Times saying he should go. I think you must remember that | :57:10. | :57:13. | |
go. I think you must remember that go. I think you must remember that | :57:13. | :57:14. | |
the Bristol heart scandal was an the Bristol heart scandal was an | :57:14. | :57:15. | |
the Bristol heart scandal was an audit over whether we have accepted | :57:15. | :57:19. | |
audit over whether we have accepted audit over whether we have accepted | :57:19. | :57:20. | |
the recommendations. The people at the recommendations. The people at | :57:20. | :57:23. | |
the recommendations. The people at the centre haven't placed humanity | :57:23. | :57:24. | |
the centre haven't placed humanity the centre haven't placed humanity | :57:24. | :57:25. | |
the centre haven't placed humanity at the centre of health care. I | :57:25. | :57:27. | |
at the centre of health care. I at the centre of health care. I | :57:27. | :57:29. | |
at the centre of health care. I think he is responsible. If you look | :57:29. | :57:29. | |
think he is responsible. If you look think he is responsible. If you look | :57:29. | :57:30. | |
at the most important, powerful at the most important, powerful | :57:30. | :57:31. | |
at the most important, powerful people he is the most powerful | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
people he is the most powerful people he is the most powerful | :57:34. | :57:36. | |
state. He is the accountable officer state. He is the accountable officer | :57:36. | :57:37. | |
state. He is the accountable officer state. He is the accountable officer | :57:37. | :57:38. | |
state. He is the accountable officer and he has to go. It is easy for us | :57:38. | :57:39. | |
and he has to go. It is easy for us and he has to go. It is easy for us | :57:39. | :57:41. | |
to blame some hapless manager to blame some hapless manager | :57:41. | :57:42. | |
to blame some hapless manager to blame some hapless manager | :57:42. | :57:43. | |
because we want to like doctors and because we want to like doctors and | :57:43. | :57:44. | |
because we want to like doctors and nurses because we feel they are | :57:44. | :57:45. | |
nurses because we feel they are nurses because we feel they are | :57:45. | :57:46. | |
nurses because we feel they are helping us. They are the people on | :57:46. | :57:47. | |
helping us. They are the people on helping us. They are the people on | :57:47. | :57:48. | |
the frontline and the people who the frontline and the people who | :57:48. | :57:49. | |
the frontline and the people who the frontline and the people who | :57:49. | :57:51. | |
chose to do what their managers them chose to do what their managers them | :57:51. | :57:52. | |
chose to do what their managers them chose to do what their managers them | :57:52. | :57:53. | |
to do. This is not saying that to do. This is not saying that | :57:53. | :57:54. | |
to do. This is not saying that doctors and nurses should not be | :57:54. | :57:55. | |
doctors and nurses should not be doctors and nurses should not be | :57:55. | :57:58. | |
doctors and nurses should not be held to account. Anyone who has held | :57:58. | :58:00. | |
held to account. Anyone who has held held to account. Anyone who has held | :58:00. | :58:01. | |
subhuman care should be held subhuman care should be held | :58:01. | :58:02. | |
accountable. Local managers should accountable. Local managers should | :58:03. | :58:04. | |
accountable. Local managers should be held to account. The regulators | :58:04. | :58:08. | |
be held to account. The regulators failed. Ultimate responsibility | :58:08. | :58:09. | |
failed. Ultimate responsibility failed. Ultimate responsibility | :58:09. | :58:10. | |
should be taken for systemic should be taken for systemic | :58:10. | :58:11. | |
should be taken for systemic failure. If only happened over the | :58:11. | :58:12. | |
failure. If only happened over the failure. If only happened over the | :58:12. | :58:13. | |
failure. If only happened over the last few months and we picked it up, | :58:13. | :58:14. | |
last few months and we picked it up, last few months and we picked it up, | :58:14. | :58:14. | |
last few months and we picked it up, fair enough. This went on for a | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
fair enough. This went on for a fair enough. This went on for a | :58:17. | :58:18. | |
decade. Therefore, I think the decade. Therefore, I think the | :58:18. | :58:19. | |
decade. Therefore, I think the decade. Therefore, I think the | :58:19. | :58:19. | |
person at the top of the tree, person at the top of the tree, | :58:19. | :58:23. | |
person at the top of the tree, should stop down. Message is | :58:23. | :58:24. | |
should stop down. Message is should stop down. Message is | :58:24. | :58:25. | |
otherwise is that the worst scandal otherwise is that the worst scandal | :58:25. | :58:26. | |
otherwise is that the worst scandal otherwise is that the worst scandal | :58:26. | :58:27. | |
otherwise is that the worst scandal can go on on your watch and no one | :58:27. | :58:33. | |
can go on on your watch and no one can go on on your watch and no one | :58:33. | :58:34. | |
will notice. Charlotte Leslie, Phil will notice. Charlotte Leslie, Phil | :58:34. | :58:41. | |
will notice. Charlotte Leslie, Phil will notice. Charlotte Leslie, Phil | :58:41. | :58:41. | |
Hammond, thank you. Speaking to me a Hammond, thank you. Speaking to me a | :58:42. | :58:42. | |
Hammond, thank you. Speaking to me a Hammond, thank you. Speaking to me a | :58:42. | :58:43. | |
little earlier this week when I was little earlier this week when I was | :58:43. | :58:45. | |
little earlier this week when I was little earlier this week when I was | :58:45. | :58:45. | |
wearing a tie. It's been a busy wearing a tie. It's been a busy | :58:45. | :58:46. | |
wearing a tie. It's been a busy political week let's look at the | :58:46. | :58:53. | |
political week let's look at the political week let's look at the | :58:53. | :58:55. | |
62nd round up. Taunton Deane borough 62nd round up. Taunton Deane borough | :58:55. | :58:56. | |
62nd round up. Taunton Deane borough council has promised to keep funding | :58:56. | :58:57. | |
council has promised to keep funding council has promised to keep funding | :58:57. | :58:58. | |
the Brewhouse Theatre and offer a the Brewhouse Theatre and offer a | :58:58. | :58:59. | |
the Brewhouse Theatre and offer a the Brewhouse Theatre and offer a | :58:59. | :59:00. | |
one off grant to anyone who wants to one off grant to anyone who wants to | :59:00. | :59:01. | |
one off grant to anyone who wants to one off grant to anyone who wants to | :59:01. | :59:02. | |
take over the running of it. The take over the running of it. The | :59:02. | :59:03. | |
take over the running of it. The take over the running of it. The | :59:03. | :59:03. | |
doors were closed last week after it doors were closed last week after it | :59:03. | :59:06. | |
went into administration. The went into administration. The | :59:06. | :59:07. | |
went into administration. The Ministry of defence in Bristol has | :59:07. | :59:08. | |
Ministry of defence in Bristol has Ministry of defence in Bristol has | :59:08. | :59:09. | |
been criticised for buying billions been criticised for buying billions | :59:09. | :59:11. | |
been criticised for buying billions been criticised for buying billions | :59:11. | :59:12. | |
of pounds it doesn't need by MPs on of pounds it doesn't need by MPs on | :59:12. | :59:14. | |
of pounds it doesn't need by MPs on the Public accounts committee. | :59:14. | :59:15. | |
the Public accounts committee. the Public accounts committee. | :59:15. | :59:16. | |
are talking about billions of pounds are talking about billions of pounds | :59:16. | :59:17. | |
are talking about billions of pounds are talking about billions of pounds | :59:17. | :59:18. | |
of stock that has been built up. We of stock that has been built up. We | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
of stock that has been built up. We were stopping 15 years of supplies | :59:21. | :59:22. | |
were stopping 15 years of supplies were stopping 15 years of supplies | :59:22. | :59:23. | |
for Nimrod aircraft even though we for Nimrod aircraft even though we | :59:23. | :59:24. | |
for Nimrod aircraft even though we cancelled the aircraft and we won't | :59:24. | :59:26. | |
cancelled the aircraft and we won't cancelled the aircraft and we won't | :59:26. | :59:27. | |
cancelled the aircraft and we won't use it any more. Children in Bath | :59:27. | :59:28. | |
use it any more. Children in Bath use it any more. Children in Bath | :59:28. | :59:30. | |
and North East Somerset could at and North East Somerset could at | :59:30. | :59:31. | |
Eton school meals containing Eton school meals containing | :59:31. | :59:32. | |
Eton school meals containing horsemeat according to the Council. | :59:32. | :59:33. | |
horsemeat according to the Council. horsemeat according to the Council. | :59:33. | :59:34. | |
horsemeat according to the Council. All beef mince has been taken of | :59:34. | :59:35. | |
All beef mince has been taken of All beef mince has been taken of | :59:35. | :59:35. | |
All beef mince has been taken of menus in the area are forced meat | :59:35. | :59:37. | |
menus in the area are forced meat menus in the area are forced meat | :59:37. | :59:38. | |
was found in tests. Restore city was found in tests. Restore city | :59:38. | :59:39. | |
was found in tests. Restore city was found in tests. Restore city | :59:39. | :59:41. | |
council would save up to �1 million council would save up to �1 million | :59:41. | :59:43. | |
council would save up to �1 million council would save up to �1 million | :59:43. | :59:44. | |
over the next decade by changing how over the next decade by changing how | :59:44. | :59:45. | |
over the next decade by changing how over the next decade by changing how | :59:45. | :59:46. | |
often it holds elections. A third of often it holds elections. A third of | :59:46. | :59:47. | |
often it holds elections. A third of often it holds elections. A third of | :59:47. | :59:47. | |
the council is voted in each year. the council is voted in each year. | :59:48. | :59:50. | |
the council is voted in each year. Some councillors and the Mayor want | :59:50. | :59:50. | |
Some councillors and the Mayor want Some councillors and the Mayor want | :59:50. | :59:56. | |
all out elections every four years all out elections every four years | :59:56. | :59:57. | |
all out elections every four years all out elections every four years | :59:57. | :59:58. | |
instead. It flies past, as does the instead. It flies past, as does the | :59:58. | :59:59. | |
instead. It flies past, as does the instead. It flies past, as does the | :59:59. | :00:01. | |
week. Let's pick up on one of those week. Let's pick up on one of those | :00:01. | :00:02. | |
week. Let's pick up on one of those stories, the closure of the | :00:02. | :00:04. | |
stories, the closure of the Brewhouse Theatre. Should taxpayers | :00:04. | :00:05. | |
Brewhouse Theatre. Should taxpayers Brewhouse Theatre. Should taxpayers | :00:05. | :00:06. | |
Brewhouse Theatre. Should taxpayers be funding the arts? I think, yes, | :00:06. | :00:08. | |
be funding the arts? I think, yes, be funding the arts? I think, yes, | :00:08. | :00:10. | |
there is an element that should there is an element that should | :00:10. | :00:12. | |
there is an element that should involve public subsidy because a lot | :00:12. | :00:13. | |
involve public subsidy because a lot involve public subsidy because a lot | :00:13. | :00:14. | |
of these activities are important if of these activities are important if | :00:14. | :00:15. | |
of these activities are important if of these activities are important if | :00:15. | :00:16. | |
we are to call ourselves a civilised we are to call ourselves a civilised | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
we are to call ourselves a civilised we are to call ourselves a civilised | :00:17. | :00:18. | |
country and I think an element of country and I think an element of | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
country and I think an element of subsidy is necessary. To think they | :00:20. | :00:21. | |
subsidy is necessary. To think they subsidy is necessary. To think they | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
subsidy is necessary. To think they should stand and put on shows they | :00:23. | :00:24. | |
should stand and put on shows they should stand and put on shows they | :00:24. | :00:25. | |
should stand and put on shows they want to see? I think there needs to | :00:25. | :00:27. | |
want to see? I think there needs to want to see? I think there needs to | :00:27. | :00:27. | |
want to see? I think there needs to be a subsidy to make sure some of | :00:28. | :00:30. | |
be a subsidy to make sure some of be a subsidy to make sure some of | :00:30. | :00:32. | |
our theatres continued and be part our theatres continued and be part | :00:32. | :00:33. | |
our theatres continued and be part our theatres continued and be part | :00:33. | :00:34. | |
of the soul of our society. It is of the soul of our society. It is | :00:34. | :00:35. | |
of the soul of our society. It is important to feed that cultural | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
important to feed that cultural important to feed that cultural | :00:37. | :00:38. | |
important to feed that cultural element of the society. I think the | :00:38. | :00:40. | |
element of the society. I think the element of the society. I think the | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
Brewhouse Theatre has 55 staff so Brewhouse Theatre has 55 staff so | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
Brewhouse Theatre has 55 staff so theatres can grow quite a lot. | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
theatres can grow quite a lot. theatres can grow quite a lot. | :00:43. | :00:45. | |
theatres can grow quite a lot. Perhaps that is the answer, I don't | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
Perhaps that is the answer, I don't Perhaps that is the answer, I don't | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
Perhaps that is the answer, I don't know. I think we will leave it | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
know. I think we will leave it know. I think we will leave it | :00:48. | :00:49. | |
know. I think we will leave it there. That's all we have time for | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
there. That's all we have time for there. That's all we have time for | :00:51. | :00:52. | |
this week. Thank you to Robert this week. Thank you to Robert | :00:52. | :00:54. | |
this week. Thank you to Robert Buckland and Claire Moody for | :00:54. | :00:55. | |
Buckland and Claire Moody for Buckland and Claire Moody for | :00:55. | :00:56. | |
Buckland and Claire Moody for joining us today, but don't go away | :00:56. | :00:57. | |
joining us today, but don't go away because the Sunday Politics | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
because the Sunday Politics because the Sunday Politics | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
continues with Andrew in London. If continues with Andrew in London. If | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
continues with Andrew in London. If continues with Andrew in London. If | :01:01. | :01:02. | |
you'd like to watch our section of you'd like to watch our section of | :01:02. | :01:03. | |
you'd like to watch our section of you'd like to watch our section of | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
the programme again, then it will be the programme again, then it will be | :01:04. | :01:05. |