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posterity. A portrait of Labour's Dawn Primarolo is to be hung in | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
Parliament - but should taxpayers money be spent on art when budgets | :01:16. | :01:26. | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 2167 seconds | :01:26. | :37:34. | |
the part of the programme that's just for us here in the West. Coming | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
up today. She's made it into the House of Commons hall of fame. | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
Yes, Dawn Primarolo, who's our longest serving MP, is to have a | :37:41. | :37:46. | |
portrait of her hung in Parliament. But at a cost of �12,000, is it a | :37:46. | :37:51. | |
waste of taxpayers' money? Helping us answer that are two local | :37:51. | :37:54. | |
politicians who, if they're lucky, may themselves one day make it onto | :37:54. | :38:00. | |
the walls of the Houses of Commons. They are the Lib Dem Stephen | :38:00. | :38:10. | |
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Williams and Labour's Sophy Gardner. Former Wing Commander, Sophy? | :38:23. | :38:26. | |
work a lot with veterans now in my current work, and I have worked | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
alongside reserves both deployed on operations overseas and the UK. | :38:30. | :38:32. | |
Government is trying to beef up the reserves but plugging holes in | :38:32. | :38:42. | |
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full-time regulars. Yes, they are looking for 30,000 reserves, and it | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
appears to be to plug a gap more than anything else. I don't think | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
there is any problem with a large number of reserves, but it takes | :38:51. | :38:53. | |
awhile to get them and trained. Would Labour reverse the spending | :38:53. | :39:03. | |
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cuts? What I would like to see is a more organised way of working with | :39:04. | :39:11. | |
the civilian sector. They have just decided to keep the chief of staff | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
for another year, so there is somebody who understands the issues | :39:14. | :39:20. | |
who will see that through. Stephen, you have never fancied joining up? | :39:20. | :39:30. | |
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am sure the forces would want people to join up some sort gesture. | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
true that the politicians who would send our troops to war have no | :39:39. | :39:45. | |
military experience? Isn't it a good thing that most of our politicians | :39:45. | :39:52. | |
have never had to go to war themselves. I think that is a trial | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
within Europe that we have a generation of politicians for whom | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
war is not a personal experience. Royal Wolverhampton NHS Trust | :39:58. | :40:08. | |
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triumph. -- triumph. We will move The Government overruled its own | :40:25. | :40:29. | |
experts this week and decided to outlaw this stuff - it's a herbal | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
stimulant called Khat. If you chew on it, it gives you a high - and | :40:32. | :40:35. | |
it's used widely by Somali men. Indeed, it's on sale in grocery | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
shops in Bristol. But while that is being banned - other drugs that | :40:39. | :40:42. | |
young people can buy are openly on sale. They're called "legal highs". | :40:42. | :40:44. | |
So why not ban them too - Here's Paul Barltrop. | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
Two types of shop. Two types of drug. Two types of Government | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
treatment. This shop in the heart of Bristol's Somali community sells | :40:51. | :41:01. | |
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Khat - but not for long. This is the last delivery. So chew as much as | :41:02. | :41:04. | |
you can. It's a centuries old tradition. When | :41:04. | :41:14. | |
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chewed, it has a mild stimulant effect. I have been cheering almost | :41:16. | :41:18. | |
for the last 25 years. I was self-employed, family man with six | :41:18. | :41:28. | |
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children. -- I have been cheering. But if this is banned, it will | :41:28. | :41:35. | |
criminalise our lot of our people. am outraged. I'd shoo this every | :41:35. | :41:41. | |
day, once or twice a week. Like alcohol, it can be linked to | :41:41. | :41:45. | |
social problems. Some Somalis have long called for a ban. But the | :41:45. | :41:47. | |
government's own expert advisers investigated, and earlier this year | :41:47. | :41:57. | |
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they came out against. We ship -- we decided Khat should become a legal | :42:00. | :42:07. | |
substance. But there's no doubt that harm that | :42:07. | :42:11. | |
can be caused by legal highs. They were linked to 40 deaths last year. | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
The problem is the vast range of chemicals being created - often | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
getting round the law by stating that they're not for human | :42:17. | :42:27. | |
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consumption. We don't sell them, but when it leaves the shop, people are | :42:29. | :42:30. | |
free to do whatever they want with the product. | :42:30. | :42:33. | |
At last week's Glastonbury Festival, selling legal highs was prohibited. | :42:33. | :42:41. | |
But their use is widespread - and sometimes worrying. Mindbenders, I | :42:41. | :42:49. | |
will have a chilled out one. They are pills about that big. I wouldn't | :42:49. | :42:55. | |
recommend them. People think because they are legal they are safe. I | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
don't think they are. In fact, the event may help bring | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
more bans. The festival's temporary police station included a lab | :43:00. | :43:10. | |
testing drugs brought in from the site. We have identified it as a | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
slight chemical modification on a readily -- already illegal drug. | :43:14. | :43:16. | |
So, different drugs, different rules. These chemical stimulants | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
will stay legal unless found to be dangerous. This herbal stimulant | :43:19. | :43:21. | |
found not to be dangerous will soon be banned. | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
To tell us about her experiences of the drug Khat is Egeran Gibril who's | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
a Somali community worker. She's our longest serving West | :43:28. | :43:38. | |
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Because it is very expensive, which causes family disruption. So people | :43:49. | :43:59. | |
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think, well it is not good in both -- group -- it is not good for the | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
person to chew, it is not good for their health. You can tempt the | :44:07. | :44:15. | |
people, to use Khat, it is affecting their head. When you see a young | :44:15. | :44:25. | |
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person using a lot of Khat, with a lot of sugar, it harms their teeth. | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
They claim that they feel happier and better themselves, but actually | :44:35. | :44:45. | |
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it causes them aggressive depression. A lot of things are not | :44:46. | :44:56. | |
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good for us, but we still choose to do them. Yes, but when you know the | :45:00. | :45:02. | |
problem that it is causing, there is a lot of research being done and you | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
have the choice, like cigarettes for example. We know the harm they cause | :45:05. | :45:15. | |
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us, but the Khat, there is not the research. Actually I would like | :45:17. | :45:27. | |
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people to see the impact that it has two them. Steven, as a liberal, | :45:27. | :45:36. | |
would you ban Khat? No, I think some things do need to be controlled if | :45:36. | :45:46. | |
they are proven to cause harm to themselves. I am in favour of having | :45:46. | :45:56. | |
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as many restrictions as possible on smoking, because it will shorten | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
your life span. The medical evidence on Khat is that it does not have any | :45:59. | :46:09. | |
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medical side effects or ill effects at all. There is a 96 page report | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
drawn up by the advisory Council on the misuse of drugs, the body that | :46:13. | :46:15. | |
advises the Home Secretary, and they say emphatically that Khat itself is | :46:15. | :46:25. | |
not harmful. That is not your experience, is it? No, they are not | :46:25. | :46:35. | |
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disclosing the information that they use Khat, therefore they give them | :46:44. | :46:46. | |
antidepressant tablets and they take them with the Khat. The combination | :46:46. | :46:51. | |
costs them great mental health problems. What about the Government | :46:51. | :47:00. | |
banning Khat but not banning these so-called legal highs? You have not | :47:00. | :47:10. | |
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talked at all about actually the importance of education in use of | :47:11. | :47:13. | |
drugs. The Government has cut compulsory education on drugs and | :47:13. | :47:17. | |
alcohol, you might think that would be a more important thing to do. | :47:17. | :47:27. | |
you wouldn't ban it? You would educate people instead? What I am | :47:27. | :47:30. | |
talking about is criminalising people without any support, making | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
people into the position when they might become criminalised or put | :47:35. | :47:45. | |
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into prison is no... This is the difficulty. At the moment, I | :48:00. | :48:02. | |
understand that costs �3. If anything is criminalised, we know | :48:02. | :48:04. | |
with all other drugs when they are criminalised, the cost will go | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
through the roof. Criminals will get in on the act, lots of Somali young | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
men will end up in prison, and I think the repercussions will be | :48:09. | :48:19. | |
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terrible. Yes, because people do not have any alternative to socialise, | :49:02. | :49:08. | |
so this will bring a huge problem to people to come together. | :49:08. | :49:11. | |
And now Labour's Dawn Primarolo is set to make it into the House of | :49:11. | :49:16. | |
Commons hall of fame. She is our longest serving West Country MP. The | :49:16. | :49:18. | |
Speaker's arts committee have decided to commission a portrait of | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
her, with a price tag thought to well over �10,000. But some believe | :49:22. | :49:25. | |
it's a waste of money - and that spending on the arts should be cut | :49:25. | :49:35. | |
back. Charlotte Callen reports. Street art in Bedminster. This area | :49:35. | :49:38. | |
of South Bristol is well known for it's arts scene - the creators of | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
Wallace and Gromit have their headquarters just down the road. And | :49:43. | :49:53. | |
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Dawn Primarolo, who's been the local MP since 1987, is a familiar face. | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
That's the local MP. She's retiring at the next election | :49:58. | :50:00. | |
- and fellow MPs have decided her parliamentary career should be | :50:00. | :50:10. | |
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recognised with a portrait in parliament. | :50:14. | :50:17. | |
With an estimated price tag of around �12,000, it has led to | :50:17. | :50:19. | |
criticism from some like the taxpayers Alliance, who say it is a | :50:19. | :50:25. | |
waste of money. On a visit to Bristol to celebrate the arts, | :50:25. | :50:35. | |
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Labour's Deputy Leader justified the decision. Over the centuries the | :50:39. | :50:41. | |
House of Commons has supported British portrait painters in order | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
to support them, and I can tell you there are hundreds of portraits of | :50:44. | :50:47. | |
men, so if you have a portrait of dawn, good for her and good for us, | :50:47. | :50:49. | |
I think. There's no doubt she's had a | :50:49. | :50:52. | |
prestigious parliamentary career, ending up as the Deputy Speaker - | :50:52. | :50:55. | |
and the longest serving Paymaster General for 200 years. But she | :50:55. | :51:05. | |
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started from very different roots. Campaigning for nuclear disarmament. | :51:15. | :51:18. | |
In her early political career, she was known as red Dawn, not just for | :51:18. | :51:20. | |
her love of Bristol city, but because of her left-wing views. Now, | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
after 26 years as an MP, she has herself become part of the | :51:23. | :51:28. | |
establishment. To have her hanging alongside the men in the corridors, | :51:28. | :51:38. | |
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I think that is a good thing. disagree. It is ridiculous. I don't | :51:41. | :51:49. | |
think it is a great use of taxpayers money. I don't think it is a good | :51:49. | :51:58. | |
idea spending �12,000. In a time when they are making so many cuts, I | :51:58. | :52:00. | |
don't think they can justify spending �12,000 on a picture of | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
someone! And these chaps - well, they're | :52:04. | :52:13. | |
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doing that on the streets of Bristol. Over the past few years, | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
they have cut back on funding for the arts. But you just have to have | :52:21. | :52:24. | |
a look at Wallace and Gromit to see how much the industry means to the | :52:24. | :52:32. | |
city. The calculation is that for every �1 of council investment in | :52:32. | :52:38. | |
the arts, it generates �4 in return. It actually creates jobs, economic | :52:38. | :52:44. | |
tourism, so we don't want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. | :52:44. | :52:50. | |
But will this port could be as popular? The artist has not been | :52:50. | :53:00. | |
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commissioned. -- this portrait. Our thanks to Ian, who did this | :53:05. | :53:10. | |
portrait which cost is �10. Joining the debate is Chris Chalkley | :53:10. | :53:13. | |
from the People's Republic of Stokes Croft - a group which promotes arts | :53:13. | :53:21. | |
and culture. Do you think 12 grand on a picture | :53:21. | :53:31. | |
of Dawn Primarolo is justified? think spending on the arts is | :53:31. | :53:34. | |
essential to a healthy culture. And really the debate needs to be where | :53:34. | :53:44. | |
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we spend that money. And a portrait? I am not going to fight one way or | :53:48. | :53:51. | |
another, there is a long history of portraiture, but what I would like | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
to have is a debate about how we spend our money locally on local | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
culture. What evidence have you got to say that spending public money | :53:58. | :54:08. | |
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and the arts is a good thing? if you look at it from just basic | :54:14. | :54:17. | |
economics, many studies show that if you spend money on the arts, it will | :54:17. | :54:19. | |
be returned to you. What I think is absolutely essential with the arts | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
is that it is the last resort, it is the last area where we hold onto our | :54:23. | :54:29. | |
local culture, and in a world where things are increasingly dominated by | :54:29. | :54:36. | |
globalisation, then this is incredibly important. It is the | :54:36. | :54:43. | |
ideas that come from this sort of stuff that is absolutely essential. | :54:44. | :54:46. | |
On the other hand local authorities have difficult positions about care | :54:46. | :54:51. | |
for old people and housing and all the rest of it. It is not easy to | :54:51. | :54:57. | |
say we should spend money on arts. No, but there is also central | :54:57. | :55:07. | |
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Government money, and as many people might know the funding that comes | :55:21. | :55:24. | |
from the centre, about �21 per head, goes into London, and for the South | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
West it is about �3 per head. When we talk about the return we get, it | :55:27. | :55:29. | |
is the economic return but also the community, the culture that comes | :55:29. | :55:32. | |
from it, just the health of society. That is an investment for the | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
future. So it is not spending with no return. How difficult is it to | :55:35. | :55:39. | |
sell to the public the idea that art spending should be protected? | :55:39. | :55:49. | |
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disagree that art spending should not be done at all. I personally | :55:52. | :55:54. | |
love looking at paintings, and you can get great pleasure just by | :55:54. | :56:00. | |
contemplating what the artist was going to get across. Most galleries | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
are free, if you go to the National portrait Gallery or the Bristol city | :56:03. | :56:13. | |
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Museum. They are paid for by the taxpayer. They are paid for | :56:17. | :56:19. | |
collectively by the public good. In terms of my fellow Bristol MP having | :56:19. | :56:22. | |
her portrait, I think that is fair enough. The Speaker has a fund where | :56:22. | :56:28. | |
the budget is set every year. I showed lots of schoolchildren and | :56:28. | :56:30. | |
pensioners, groups around Parliament every week, and they enjoy looking | :56:30. | :56:39. | |
at the picture gallery of historic politicians. You shall be that bit | :56:39. | :56:42. | |
as well. You have an arts thing going on as well. You brought us are | :56:42. | :56:50. | |
locally decorated teapot. I was involved in the pottery industry for | :56:50. | :56:52. | |
many years, which has basically collapsed over the last 30 years, | :56:52. | :57:02. | |
and we have the Phoenix from the ashes, so these are beautiful china | :57:02. | :57:12. | |
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teapot that are decorated by volunteers, and they drive the | :57:15. | :57:17. | |
economics that allows us to paint the walls, which has caused the | :57:17. | :57:27. | |
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revival, which means more shops open. We will have a cup of tea | :57:33. | :57:35. | |
later. Let's take a spin through this | :57:35. | :57:41. | |
week's political round-up in just 60 seconds. | :57:41. | :57:44. | |
Ian Liddell-Grainger was in trouble with the Speaker of the Commons this | :57:44. | :57:54. | |
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week. I say to the Member for Bridgwater, if you cannot be quiet, | :57:57. | :58:01. | |
get out. The naughty boy got quite a telling off, but it turns out he was | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
wrongly accused of shouting during a speech by the Labour MP Stella | :58:04. | :58:06. | |
Creasy. Co-op have triumphed in the war of | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
supermarkets this week. They won a high court battle that could stop | :58:09. | :58:11. | |
rivals Asda from opening a store in Cinderford. | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
And the war to stop TB in cattle spreading has been stepped up, as | :58:14. | :58:18. | |
the Government announced a 25 year strategy to tackle the disease. The | :58:18. | :58:20. | |
West is high-risk, so there'll be extra measures to stop transmission | :58:20. | :58:30. | |
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between cows, which farmers will have to help pay for. | :58:31. | :58:33. | |
And the union representing firefighters in Devon and Somerset | :58:33. | :58:36. | |
says it's "shocked and astonished" at the timing of an announcement of | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
�2.5 million of cuts in the service. Bosses insist lives won't be put at | :58:40. | :58:48. | |
risk. Let's pick up now on unions - and | :58:48. | :58:51. | |
the problems for Labour with Unite. Sophy, what are your links with | :58:51. | :59:01. | |
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unions? I was not a union backed candidate in my cell action, which | :59:19. | :59:21. | |
is a couple of months ago, and I won fair and square without that | :59:22. | :59:25. | |
support, so it is not a stitch up, it was not in my case, I do however | :59:25. | :59:27. | |
enjoy and am working closely with the local union representatives. | :59:27. | :59:29. | |
They are representing hard-working people. The Government is making hay | :59:29. | :59:39. | |
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out of this, isn't it? I think there is a legitimate thing for the public | :59:39. | :59:45. | |
to worry about, and that is how much influence Len McCluskey is buying. | :59:45. | :59:55. | |
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Ed Miliband would not be the leader at all, Labour MPs who my friend | :59:57. | :59:58. | |
voted for his brother, were desperately disappointed when Ed | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
Miliband one, because it was not Labour MPs, it was the unions that | :00:02. | :00:03. | |
got Ed Miliband over the finishing line. | :00:03. | :00:06. | |
That's all we've got time for this week. Thank you to Stephen and to | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
Sophy for joining us. Next week is our final programme of the series | :00:10. | :00:13. | |
before Parliament breaks for the summer recess. We'll have an end of | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
term report for the political parties, and I'll be joined by the | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
Mayor of Bristol George Ferguson and Police and Crime Commissioner Sue | :00:18. | :00:22. |