30/06/2013 Sunday Politics West


30/06/2013

Andrew Neil and David Garmston with the latest political news, interviews and debate, including the latest on fears of power blackouts with energy minister Michael Fallon.


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to go to Glastonbury? Think again. Is it only the older generation who

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the Sunday Politics here in the West. Coming up today: 135,000

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ticket holders have been partying in the Somerset Countryside this

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weekend. And if you thought Glastonbury was just for the young.

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Then think again. As the festival has grown up, so has the audience.

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But with more austerity measures announced by the government this

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week, is it ONLY the older generation who can afford to party

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these days as the youngsters pay for the mess we're in? That's coming up.

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But first lets meet our guests today - they are the Conservative MP

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Charlotte Leslie and Labour's Darren Jones who's hoping to unseat her at

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the next general election. Thank you both for coming in. Are you going to

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be able to hang on with the way things are going at the next

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election? Absolutely.But that is not going to be easy, is it?

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double dip recession did not happen but the recession in 2008 when

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Labour were in power was much deeper than we thought. We need

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Conservatives in power were to make sure we do not go back to those

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days. Do you agree? No. I can see the impact he cuts are having on

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local people. It is our job to make sure they have an MP that stands up

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for them and that's what I'm going to be seeking to do. Is that why

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you've agreed to make the same cuts as the Conservatives? Things like a

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bedroom tax. Now we move on to our top story faster than the chancellor

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can scoff a burger and chips! Yes, fortified by his late night snack,

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he went to Parliament this week and imposed another dose of austerity on

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the nation. He's done it before but this time West Country councils say

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its really, really going to hurt. Here's Paul Barltrop. The rhetoric

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has become almost routine, the announcements all too familiar.

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of the biggest economic crises of the modern either. In 2015 spending

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will be slashed yet again. Among the biggest losers once more, local

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government. In North Somerset they've already shut libraries,

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closed public toilets, and ended their dedicated youth service. The

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Conservatives in charge are angry that they'll lose still more money.

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You cannot go any further. We are already cutting things that we

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should not the cutting. 61% goes on care services, we cannot cut back on

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those. We have the lowest overhead for care services in the country. We

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refuse to cut back on that. There is only so much you can do before you

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start really hurting people. Policing is a very sensitive

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subject. For decades crime has been falling but so too now are officer

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numbers. Avon and Somerset predict this week's cuts will cost them

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hundreds of jobs. Let's not kid ourselves, this is a very tough call

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and we will have to take it very CDs leave. We have to prioritise. It is

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money we've got. I have opened up the books for people to look at and

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I am obviously going out there for consultation on council tax.

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Politicians know these plans will kick in at election time.

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Speaker, it does not have two be this way. But even if his side win,

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they'll stick with the spending cuts. The country's finances leave

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little choice. Joining the debate is Ric Pallister who's the leader of

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South Somerset District Council. Can you envisage making the sort of cuts

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the government want you to? We have two. It is as simple as that. The

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money is not there. The overall share will lie with the bigger

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unitary authorities particularly in relation to adult here. What cat --

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what fat is left? It is not fat. We have to be more efficient than in

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the past. So have you been spending money and wasting it? Now, we have

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been encouraged to employ people, we got government grants over many

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years and saw our workforce was much higher. We have had technology

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coming in which is now enabling us to reduce our workforce. Are you

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encouraged by the fact that at least one council thinks there is a bit of

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fat that can be cut? I am all for finding efficiency for tax year was

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Mike money. But these cuts are already hurting people right across

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Bristol and our county. The question of bedroom tax is that it has been

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said now one will be evicted who is subject to it. You see you would

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impose those cuts but how much would be bedroom tax Seve? Be government

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supported by Charlotte who have asked repeatedly to explain why she

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thought it was appropriate to board for bedroom tax. People who live in

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these houses have no other small houses to move to, it is linked

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directly to infrastructure. We have to get real. The fact we are facing

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a perfect storm, the money is not there. Wouldn't I love to be an MP

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who did not have to make cuts but we have two. The amount the debt is

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going up is slowing down. You said it would be a period of steady tea,

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then everything would hunky-dory. That is not happening. We have got

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an ageing population. What we are seeing is very interesting. We have

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had the luxury of spending a lot, we are having to retract jobs in the

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public sector, it is difficult for councils who have been wiser with

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the money because they are already quite clean. It is often

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Conservative councils who are suffering the most because they are

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already so efficient. OK, we have to move on. If you think the

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Glastonbury Festival is just for the kids, you might be surprised. Some

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of the festival goers are drawing a pension and a few of the performers

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are positively ancient. Nothing wrong with that, but are the older

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generation enjoying the high life while the youngsters are priced out

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of everything? I've been to Glastonbury this week to find out.

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Welcome to Glastonbury 2013. About 200,000 people are here. Including

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artists, workers, and of course, festival goers, are packed onto

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these fields here. This is as big as the City of Bath Now in its 43rd

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year, the festival started from small beginnings. In 1970 it cost

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just �1 for a ticket and around 1,500 people came. I would not see

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it was a disaster but there have not been as many people as I would have

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hoped. I thought be beat have about 5000 but it was only a couple of

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thousand. The post World War II baby boomers were the target audience. No

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oldies allowed! All these revellers got free was the worthy farm milk

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given away at the gates, not a TV licence or a bus pass. Back then the

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Rolling Stones were selling albums like sweeties. They were too big for

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this little festival. But as they've grown up, so has Glastonbury.

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Today's festival is almost unrecognisable. Ticket prices have

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risen enormously - a bit like house prices in that time. Now, at over

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�200 a pop, that's a 20,000% increase, many youngsters simply

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can't afford to come here. Add in the cost of booze and food and it

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probably costs you nearer �500. So have the baby boomers priced today's

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teenagers and twenty-somethings out of the Glastonbury market, just as

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they have the housing market? Take a look around here. There are still

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thousands of youngsters. But the baby boomers, who enjoyed it in the

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early years, are still coming back today with some putting the average

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age of people here nearer 40 than 20. So with the country gripped in a

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period of austerity, with youth unemployment at its highest for a

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generation, is it the kids of the 80's and 90's who are missing out?

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And you both working? Yes.Do you have kids and a house? No, not yet.

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As you get older it gets easier because you enjoy life more. I did

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not have a job for about seven months and then I suddenly got one

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and I'm so happy. It's permanent. It's all right. I'm having to

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continue working just to make ends meet. Is it harder than five years

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ago when Mark I don't think so, no. You just have to take a look at the

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line-up on this - the pyramid stage - many are not exactly spring

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chickens themselves. Mick Jagger, well he's old enough to collect his

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pension and get his winter fuel allowance, although it wouldn't be

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much use in one of these tents! So Bruce Forsyth is also coming here

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and he could use his free bus pass. I guess what it does show is that if

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you have got your health, you can work into old-age. Elvis Castella,

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Billy Bragg, they argue too. Is it time for them to step aside? For the

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rumours to give something back to the next generation? Maybe starting

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with the winter fuel payments and television licence. A couple of

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young things are still here to discuss all that. You think it is

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right that Sir Bruce Forsyth should get a free television licence?

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not think it is by the administrative costs to strip these

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things out cute actually cost more than you are saving. I think there

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is no reason that Mick Jagger should be getting a winter fuel allowance

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really. Well why don't you act? Why give these things to older people

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who don't need it? administration costs at too high.

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The baby boomer generation dead shaft the younger generation.

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Pensions were designed at a time when it might be the last ten years

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of your life. Now there are a lot more of them and it is the younger

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generation who are being for these generations pensions. Who is going

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to pay for the younger people is my pensions? There are a lot of

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complaints about raising the pension age but it has two be linked to life

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expectancy. Pensions were linked to when there were a lot of young

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people paying for a lot of old people. Now there are small number

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of young people being for a lot of old people and that is not

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sustainable. The younger generation have it really tough. What about

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labour, do you believe in universal benefits or should they be means

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tested? We need to be pragmatic about what we have and what we can

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do with that. Charlotte has the habit of saying one thing in Bristol

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and doing something else in Westminster. Rich old people tend to

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vote Tory so I will forward to discussing that later. I have quite

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a good record actually, that is probably why I'm not a minister.

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Let's be clear then, do you accept the young people need more of a

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helping hand at the moment rather than the all to have them pretty

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much protected through this recession? I think young people need

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to have help. We have hundreds of young unemployed people in Bristol

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and the south-west as a result of the failed economic policy. Will you

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as we pulled to board for you and you will stop the winter fuel

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allowance for pensioners? We will be seeing two people are economic

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policy is focused on fairness. am the grumpy old fellow on the

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doorstep seeing you are going to cut my winter fuel allowance even though

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I have a Mercedes on the drive report will use a quest Mark we have

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two tell them how it is. If you've driven through the countryside

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anywhere south of the M4, chances are you'll have glimpsed a solar

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farm. They're fields full of hundreds of solar panels and they're

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becoming more and more commonplace. But as well as being viewed by some

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as a blot on the landscape, there are concerns that too much land is

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being taken out of food production. Ruth Bradley reports. Jonathan

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Hoskyn's family have farmed near Crewkerne for a quarter of a

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century. He's got 80 acres of apple and pear trees. But on one part of

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the farm, Jonathan's gone from harvesting fruit to harvesting

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sunshine. I tried to grow fruit trees here but it would not grow

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because the soil is very shallow. rents five acres to a solar power

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company. It makes enough electricity each year to run about 200 homes. So

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whip you could turn the whole farm over two solar panels, with that be

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viable? The overheads would disappear so it would but I am a

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fruit farmer and I would not want it any other way. The last couple of

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years have seen a huge rise in solar farms. The number of planning

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applications in this part of Somerset has more than doubled since

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2011. Cashing in on the current climate are companies like this one

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near Ilminster. They've gone from putting these solar panels on

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peoples houses to filling fields with them. Particularly for the

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landowners, a lot of times they are not using particular fields and it

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is an income for them, they do not have to work particularly hard for

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it and it can help sustain the business. It is typically between

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�801,000 per acre per year, that is index-linked. As well as MORE solar

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farms, they're also getting bigger. This one near Ilminster's going from

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five acres to 50. Countryside campaigners are worried they're

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taking up land which should be growing food. The offer such

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guaranteed inflation proof fees that make it more attractive for the

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farmer or landowner to let the land for 25 years. I do not blame them

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but I do blame the government. I blame to some extent the planning

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authorities for not doing more than they could do to protect

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agricultural land, particularly here. For now, these fields are

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growing the wheat to be baked into our bread. If solar developers have

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their way, they'll be making the power to run bakers' ovens instead.

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Still with us is Ric Pallister who's the leader of South Somerset

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District Council. When these applications come before you, what

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do you think? Absolutely yes. Someone has got to wake up and

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realise that when you turn the light switch on you want the light to come

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on. We have got all sorts of issues that the moment over EDF. Whether it

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is going ahead or not, if it does not our whole policy is in tatters

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for the future. You will see Mr Putin sitting in an armchair in

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control of our energy. We cannot have that. A couple of solar panels

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New York will is not going to make a difference, is it? -- you will.

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it won't, but when you have failed school of them you can. You cannot

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store the electricity. What every time you turn the panels on and you

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are gathering energy from the sun you can turn the gas down. You can

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turn the gas power stations down when the sun is providing the

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energy. Hasn't there been an appalling performance from both your

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governments when there is not enough power there to keep the lights on?

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think you are right we are facing an energy crisis. I do not want to be

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dependent on the Middle East and Russia for energy. We have to become

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as self-sufficient as we can. We have to be very careful about how we

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subsidise things. It is an issue of biofuels will be at over subsidised

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and often it is not a green response. We have to look at nuclear

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if we want these lights to stay on. You think people should be prepared

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to pay a subsidy for green electricity? I think it all comes

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down to a cost for homeowners. There is a great corporative initiative

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for solar panels for residential homes. For business to invest in

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clean technology we need a government that has conceded policy

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that restores confident. We cannot have people voting against clean

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clean energy. There is a subsidy, isn't there? We have to get it

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right. We cannot be pragmatic. If we do not get this right we have two

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import energy from countries that have a monopoly on energy sources.

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OK, thank you. Time to take a spin through this week's other political

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stories in our 60 second round-up. One of the main commuter routes

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through the west is to be widened thanks to the governments plans to

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invest in new infrastructure projects. The A303 through Wiltshire

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and Somerset will all be made dual carriageway. The Chief Constable of

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Avon and Somerset police appeared to give away a little more than he

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should about the badger cull this week, indicating it wouldn't start

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till August. Our sources say DEFRA were very upset. Few issues have

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provoked such controversy in Bristol as the Mayor's resident parking zone

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roll out. This week he promised to listen more after drastically

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scaling back the plans. I'm very pleased. I clearly kicked up a

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hornet's nest. Last weekend I thought I had to take the sting out

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of this. She's on the programme today and this week she made the

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headlines for taking on Labour's record on the NHS. Will be Prime

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Minister support a root and branch review of the cover-up within the

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last decade? How worried are you about those cover-ups that we in

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healing about? I think it is appalling. Three reports in 2000 and

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a warning of a culture of fear and bullying within the NHS. That

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actually cost lives, people have actually died because of cover-ups.

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The more you look at it either that Mafia like network whose key aim is

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to stop any bad news coming out of the NHS, I think it is a massive

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scandal. Do you think people have lost confidence in the NHS because

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of this? I hope not. We must not use the NHS to get reform as a fig leaf

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of privatisation. We have to look at how we can reform public services to

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be cost-efficient. People are dying. Exactly, that is why be need to get

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this right. The last secretary of state for health was talking about

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reports last weekend in the Sunday newspapers. We have two have public

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services that deliver for people in this country and across Bristol.

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That's all we've got time for this week. Thank you to Charlotte and

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Darren for joining us. Don't forget if you want to get in touch with

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