15/09/2013 Sunday Politics West


15/09/2013

Andrew Neil and David Garmston with the latest political news. With Shadow Business Secretary Chuka Umunna and former Lib Dem leader Paddy Ashdown.


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after the summer recess, and the party conference season is already

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Democrats. Have a great conference. Nick Clegg has some convincing to

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do, according to our very own Sunday Politics poll, his troops don't

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do, according to our very own Sunday his coalition bedmates. The latest

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poll of the country also has the Lib Dems languishing behind UKIP in

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Paddy Ashdown! So can the Lib Dems election in 2015? We will talking to

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former leader, now the party's general election commander-in-chief,

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In the West, keeping an eye on you. The police commissioners want your

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mobile phone and Internet records now heading for the exit. We will

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hear from Nick Clegg on what it And freshly showered from the Great

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North Run and looking as fresh as daisies, the best and brightest

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Janan Ganesh, Helen Lewis and Iain Now, their leader is our Deputy

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Prime Minister. They are the junior government. They like the colour

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yellow and they have not won a general election since dinosaurs

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walked the earth. Now they are behind UKIP in the polls, so as

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walked the earth. Now they are party gathers for its annual bash

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this year in Glasgow, what is on their mind? Who are the people

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gathering at the Clyde this weekend? their mind? Who are the people

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Before they started drinking, we councillors in England and Wales,

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comrade. The first question we asked was, if the next election results in

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a hung parliament, which team would you rather go into coalition with,

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the Reds or the blues? Lib Dem councillors said Labour, two to

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the Reds or the blues? Lib Dem Tories or Labour? It is not for

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the Reds or the blues? Lib Dem to say. It is for the voters to

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say. We will decide depending on councillors favoured a coalition

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is on the table. Who would you rather play table football against?

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because I am winning. So in the winning 's which ones are heading

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popular policy was a mansion tax on house is worth more than £2 million,

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popular policy was a mansion tax on councillors. The next most popular

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policy was scrapping the Trident nuclear deterrent, supported by

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policy was scrapping the Trident of councillors. Then there was the

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reinstatement of the 50p top rate of income tax. 70% of councillors like

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the look of that. When it came to the idea of banning the burka in

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public places like schools and airports, 45% of councillors were in

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favour. Finally, a ban on topless Page three model is won the support

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of 33% of councillors. Why is it so popular, the idea of a mansion tax?

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It is a much fairer tax. We know there are people out there with

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It is a much fairer tax. We know expensive houses. Which of these is

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most important to you? Banning Trident. The cold war ended in

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1989. Another one was the idea of banning the burka in public places.

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whatever they like. If they want to banning the burka in public places.

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wear the birth or a kilt or if they anything. We are the party of jobs.

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Thank you. Last night, a fully clothed Nick Clegg rallied his

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troops, but if he was not around, who would Lib Dem councillors want

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instead? Business Secretary Vince Cable was most popular, with a third

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of the votes. In second place, the party's president, Tim Farron, with

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27%. 10% went to Danny Alexander, while the business minister Joe

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Swinson received 7%. The Energy Secretary Ed Davey scooped 6%, and

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in last place, Steve Webb, the pensions minister, who got 5%. If

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any of these councillors want to talk to me about it, I would be

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delighted to hear from them. Is talk to me about it, I would be

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certainly isn't. What do you think contenders. But our survey is not

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the only one that has got tongues wagging in Glasgow, because the

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the only one that has got tongues Dem leadership have commissioned

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their own poll which showed that 75% Dem leadership have commissioned

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of the country will never vote Dem leadership have commissioned

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the party, no matter what they do. Also meeting here this weekend,

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the party, no matter what they do. Democrats like to think they have

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got just as much va-va-voom, even if a big chunk of the country doesn't.

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Add, back in his hometown. So, the Much of their party thinks they

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Add, back in his hometown. So, the moving in the wrong direction.

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Earlier, I spoke to former party moving in the wrong direction.

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leader Paddy Ashdown. He has been put in charge of heading up the

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leader Paddy Ashdown. He has been election campaign. I asked him if

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the mood in Glasgow was grim. No. In many ways, as you know, Tory old

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commentator that you are just as I am a hoary old member at the other

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end of the camera, we have been midterm of a government, especially

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when you are in government and the country is going for in a deep

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economic crisis, has almost no relevance to where you might be

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economic crisis, has almost no the nipple come to consider how

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economic crisis, has almost no will vote in 600 days time -- when

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the people come to consider how will vote in 600 days time -- when

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will vote. We do not dismiss polls, but they are a snapshot of what

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will vote. We do not dismiss polls, indication of where we will be.

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will vote. We do not dismiss polls, guess is, for what it is worth,

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will vote. We do not dismiss polls, as we come to the election, the

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public will be in a very serious, probably frightened mood. Their

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public will be in a very serious, thoughts will be, who maintains

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public will be in a very serious, job, makes sure I don't have to

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public will be in a very serious, to higher mortgage? The coalition

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has delivered not only the required policies to make Britain's economy

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prosperous, but also its society fair. That is what people will want

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to see. I think coalition politics are here to stay and we have a role

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to play in it. But you are in a are here to stay and we have a role

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mood this morning. You tweeted that you were not happy with how the

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Observer newspaper handled your there anything we can do to help?

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There is probably something they arguments with the interview. The

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headline they chose to put on it late last night was outrageous,

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misrepresentative and in one case in Something about Ashdown wants a

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coalition with the Tories, or at Something about Ashdown wants a

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least they gave that in for us Something about Ashdown wants a

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inference. Let me make this point. election. I am in charge of the

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campaign. Any journalist who in these next two years says that any

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Liberal Democrat prefers anything else in terms of the outcome of

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Liberal Democrat prefers anything coalition but the result of the

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ballot box dictating that outcome, that any prefer one side to another

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coalition determined by the electors that any prefer one side to another

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in the votes, will get a bloody that any prefer one side to another

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time from me, no matter who they are. We take the warning. A survey

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of Lib Dem councillors shows that in coalition with the Tories. That

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of Lib Dem councillors shows that in clear sign that your activists want

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a change of direction. I don't think it is news that as a left-wing

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party, we find it more congenial with those on the left wing, but

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that is not the issue. You saw it election. We are servants of the

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ballot box. We do watch the British people require us to do to provide a

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of our country. I am sure you have stable government in the interests

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of our country. I am sure you have got the point by now. I have fought

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the Tories all my life. But when responsibility to amend the economic

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crisis, was this right for the determine who are going to be in any

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coalition, should there be one, determine who are going to be in any

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voters and nobody else. It is not about what we like. I understand

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that. But your own internal polls leadership are not taking the party

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with them on that. I don't think that is true. Nick Clegg has done

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what no other party leader has done. He took the coalition agreement

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what no other party leader has done. the party, and they voted for it. So

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it is not true to say that members different direction. I think we

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it is not true to say that members extraordinarily united. I did not

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expect them to be so under these pressures, but they have surprised

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me and made me joyful at the same time. The party has done what it

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done in local government for a long time. We may have our private likes

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and dislikes, but the thing that coalition is the ballot box. You

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have said that three times. I can say it again if you like. Please

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don't! What if your party votes say it again if you like. Please

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reinstate tuition fees as party policy afternoon? We will have to

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listen to that and act accordingly. You must listen to the voice of

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listen to that and act accordingly. party and take it into account in

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what you do. I am always quite answering hypothetical questions. I

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don't think it is likely to happen, but if it did, we would have to

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don't think it is likely to happen, distinguished Lib Dems was that

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don't think it is likely to happen, your party conference voted for

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something, it was in the manifesto. The manifesto is taken in its final

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form before the party for decision. The party will express views at

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form before the party for decision. stage in all sorts of ways. It did

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in my leadership, too. The manifesto is democratically agreed by the

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party at the time of the election, not before. The Tory conference

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party at the time of the election, be about how they think they have

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been vindicated, that austerity be about how they think they have

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worked, the economy is turning a corner. But Nick Clegg's conference

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announcements will be about plastic bags. Have you got the hang of this

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coalition think? Andrew, you can always be guaranteed to put things

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in the most discreditable form! always be guaranteed to put things

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is part of your charm. That was about to be a minor announcement in

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discovered beforehand. It has not the middle of his speech. But it was

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discovered beforehand. It has not been very popular in terms of how it

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has been received, but that is not the central message. That leads

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has been received, but that is not to what I think is the biggest

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election. Isn't the biggest danger that the Tories, not you, if there

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is an economic recovery, they will get the credit for it? I don't think

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think the electorate does gratitude. The only time people cast a thank

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Thatcher over the sale of council houses. We could have a different

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discussion over whether that was a good idea. But what you have done is

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the underpinning for the promise of government, we have stayed firm

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the underpinning for the promise of very tough economic policy. But

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the underpinning for the promise of you get the credit? What we have

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done by ourselves, which the Tories would never have done, is make sure

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that when the pain is felt, it is not the poor who feel it. We have

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seen the biggest shift of taxation, lifting the poorest in the country

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out of taxation, that has ever happened, including in the previous

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Labour government. You are presiding over the biggest squeeze on living

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standards in modern times. Because it is the biggest recession in

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modern times. When you speak to it is the biggest recession in

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2.5 million people who have been lifted out of taxation altogether

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because of the Liberal Democrats, tax cut. You may be able to make the

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because of the Liberal Democrats, connection, Andrew, you are a sharp

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economic crisis and difficulty for everybody. But it is clear that

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economic crisis and difficulty for the Tories had been by themselves,

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none of that would have happened. We have sought to shift the burden

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none of that would have happened. We from the poorest in this country. I

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am part of that. So when we go into the next election, the message will

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am part of that. So when we go into be that if you want to continue

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am part of that. So when we go into have a prosperous economy and a

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society, only the Liberal Democrats will deliver that. Tim Farron says

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want to diss him. Can you confirm he likes Ed Miliband and he does not

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want to diss him. Can you confirm that there will be no dissing of Ed

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Miliband? It is not much my style. I've never much liked comments about

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the other leaders. I do not intend to make it so in the future. Can I'd

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finish up on Syria? You said after the Syria vote that Britain was

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finish up on Syria? You said after hugely diminished country. Given it

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both sides on a course which could now see Syria give up chemical

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weapons without records to military action, would you like to withdraw

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these remarks and admit that you should be proud and happy with what

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Britain has done? No. You and I should be proud and happy with what

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know, because we are old observers, that that would never have happened

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underpinning of a threat to use resigned from that. We have no part

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to play in the fact that Assad and Putin have moved towards peace for

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to play in the fact that Assad and fear of military action. We decided

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exactly the opposite. Why would fear of military action. We decided

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liked to have seen our country join in with those who are serious about

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upholding an international law which has restrained even than axes and

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left others to make sure that we talent, but instead we resigned

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left others to make sure that we moved towards peace. -- even the

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Maxis and Stalin. But if it had moved towards peace. -- even the

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would not have had the time to allow this to happen. It has avoided war.

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Job done, British Parliament. That would be true if it was accurate but

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it is not. The resolution proposed a delay, that we should wait until the

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inspectors came back. That time frame was absolutely nothing to

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inspectors came back. That time with the parliamentary vote. The

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vote was going to incorporate that. I do not think you can claim what

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vote was going to incorporate that. remember that diplomacy, which was

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not reinforced by the threat of military action, does not work.

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not reinforced by the threat of is when diplomacy runs with a grain

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of military action that it works. illustration of that, look at what

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is happening over the last two weeks. By regret to say that our

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country, which has always been in disengagement, had no part to play

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And you we would get to the Balkans eventually, and we did. His biggest

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challenge is if the economy is get some credit for the Lib Dems,

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when the Tories will want to halt it all. But his position is not to

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when the Tories will want to halt it the necessary axeman. That is George

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Osborne's role. Their role is to be Osborne's role. Their role is to be

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the chaser party, taking the edge off. They will because of me going

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on about the pupil premium and That is what you will hear from

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of the cuts. Will that work? They them, how they have taken the edge

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of the cuts. Will that work? They are in a pretty good position. Even

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if they have lost two thirds of are in a pretty good position. Even

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popular support, according to the polls, I do not know anyone in

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Westminster methinks that will be matched in their parliamentary

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representation. If they have 56 matched in their parliamentary

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now, they might lose a dozen but Strategically, they are in a better

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position than the reading of the polls would tell you. I think Nick

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Clegg's survival has been one of the stories of this Parliament. He is

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looking good at the comfort -- at the conference. When he was at his

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lowest after the AV referendum, people were saying he would survive

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I thought that was fanciful. Believe and lead us into 2015 and beyond and

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I thought that was fanciful. Believe it or not... Paddy Ashdown was

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wrong, you were wrong and... I wasn't. I'm underestimated how bad

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his rivals are. If you are Lib Dem member, however aggrieved you are

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with Nick Clegg, you do not think, wouldn't it be great if Christian

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was in charge? Nick Clegg is the best they have. -- Chris Huhne was

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in charge. Of course, the people do in charge. Of course, the people do

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government and it is a consequence of the way they vote, a different

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matter. If Janan Ganesh is right, and they lose 15 seats in the next

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pivotal in the next government. It Possibly the most amusing outcome

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would be a Labour or Tory overall majority, which would be hilarious

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for the look on Paddy Ashdown's face. The danger is they get trapped

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constantly in talking about the politics of coalition and of a hung

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parliament. And they are very puffed politics of coalition and of a hung

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parliament. And they are very puffed up and they enjoy Parliament and

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there is a possibility they will not be. While they are talking about the

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Polish and themselves, they are be. While they are talking about the

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talking about the issues facing be. While they are talking about the

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coalition. It was interesting that he said that we are a left-wing

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party, not a centre-left party or a centre party, but a left-wing party.

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I'm going to put myself in the firing line and say that there is a

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big split between the Tim Farron line who say they like Ed Miliband,

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and another one, Jeremy Browne in the Home Office saying that Labour

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are intellectually lazy. The risk clearly a clique around Nick Clegg

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who wants to be a synthetic party, but that is not where the membership

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who wants to be a synthetic party, activists are clearly of the left,

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not just the centre-left. They are very pro-immigration and they want

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strategy has to be to take the party to the centre. The something not

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happen at some stage? The poll suggests it is a left-wing party.

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happen at some stage? The poll Very left-wing. Other think the

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happen at some stage? The poll would have yielded -- would have

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yielded the same results before would have yielded -- would have

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2010 election. This is reflected by the arithmetic. Whichever party

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2010 election. This is reflected by biggest will most likely be the

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2010 election. This is reflected by in coalition with the Lib Dems.

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2010 election. This is reflected by Clegg's on latitude to choose is

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exaggerated by us. The choice is no parliamentary arithmetic. But if you

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remember the structure of the Lib Dems, they can tie themselves up in

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infighting. -- the choice is not stable. And Nick Clegg has had a

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good conference last year, and will have another one this year. The

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economy is better than it was a have another one this year. The

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ago. It could still go quite well for him. Yes, it is one of the

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ago. It could still go quite well stories of this Parliament, his

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survival and the way in which he has prospered. But there are a lot of

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campaigners, labour activists who have not forgotten what he has done

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in government and are determined to get him. It will be a tough year and

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a half. Tougher than he imagined. Now, not so long ago they were

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writing George Osborne's political obituary. Be on the Omni shambles

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budget of 2012 and a lacklustre performance of the British economy

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meant his reputation work -- was in the dirt. -- the omnishambles. But

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things have changed. The Chancellor is saying he has been vindicated. If

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runway, it looks as though the British economy has taken off,

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quarter. Forecasts for the rest British economy has taken off,

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the year have been revised up words. What's more, the office for National

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recession never actually happened. Unemployment is down in the three

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months to July and the number of spasticity rate since 1997. On

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Monday, George Osborne said his policies were bearing fruit. We

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Monday, George Osborne said his our nerve when many told us to

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abandon our plans. As a result, thanks to the efforts and sacrifices

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of the British people, Britain is turning a corner. The message for

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his Labour critics was clear. The Chancellor thinks he was right and

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Good afternoon. Good afternoon.Do you accept that the economy has

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turned a corner? I think it is good that a stalled recovery appears

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turned a corner? I think it is good get this in perspective. We have had

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three wasted years. We have the worst economic recovery in history.

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Debt is up and we have record youth programme if they feel better or

:25:34.:25:43.

worse off, compared to 2010, the majority will tell you they feel

:25:43.:25:47.

worse because, on average, wages are down by £1500 compared to May of

:25:47.:25:54.

2010. That is the situation. The one of the things we have seen

:25:54.:26:02.

talked about, Vince Cable has been talking about this as well, is what

:26:02.:26:06.

is happening in the housing market. It seems that much of the solution

:26:06.:26:08.

to powering the recovery in the It seems that much of the solution

:26:08.:26:14.

of George Osborne lies in sorting out the housing market but the

:26:14.:26:18.

problem is, we are at risk of being another housing bubble. Because

:26:18.:26:21.

problem is, we are at risk of being research that came out this week, we

:26:21.:26:26.

know that housing in the UK is three times more expensive than in the US.

:26:26.:26:29.

know that housing in the UK is three We know that house prices are rising

:26:29.:26:32.

five times faster than wages, but we also know that the government is

:26:32.:26:38.

five times faster than wages, but we building new housing at a slower

:26:38.:26:40.

rate, the slowest rate that we have complaining about a housing bubble,

:26:40.:26:47.

isn't that like Satan complaining about seven? -- seven. We all know

:26:47.:26:54.

that we cannot go back to business as usual. We need to build a new

:26:54.:26:57.

model of growth. But the housing bubble you talk about, it is not a

:26:57.:27:01.

bubble. It might turn into one. bubble you talk about, it is not a

:27:01.:27:06.

said the risk of a bubble. It is nothing like what happened on the

:27:06.:27:13.

I said, in 2009, we had the crash and we knew we needed to reconfigure

:27:13.:27:16.

the way that our economy works. Having an economy based on crisis is

:27:16.:27:24.

rebalance the economy. We saw the unemployment statistics this week,

:27:24.:27:28.

and it is welcomed overall, that unemployment has come down. At half

:27:28.:27:40.

up. And it went down in other parts. We know that we need to rebalance

:27:40.:27:45.

our economy, so that we do not just rely on consumption, but that we

:27:45.:27:51.

grow our productive sectors. And also that we grow our exports as

:27:51.:27:55.

well. We know we have a continuing deficit. We always have a trade

:27:55.:28:02.

deficit. There was never a trade surplus under Labour. Want to come

:28:02.:28:12.

onto what you have mentioned but would you scrap the help to buy

:28:12.:28:14.

scheme? We have not said that we would you scrap the help to buy

:28:14.:28:18.

scheme? We have not said that we would do that. Why not if it is

:28:18.:28:20.

causing the bubble? If you let me finish, on one hand what that scheme

:28:21.:28:27.

does at the moment, at the moment it is inhalation to a new scheme but

:28:27.:28:34.

tomorrow -- next year it will be in you do not sort out the supply of

:28:34.:28:38.

housing, then that is a recipe for the problems we have seen. Our

:28:38.:28:43.

argument is build more houses. Help more people to buy them by all means

:28:43.:28:45.

but if you do not have the supply more people to buy them by all means

:28:45.:28:48.

but if you do not have the supply you will end up with rising prices.

:28:48.:28:52.

That is obvious. Labour said that government austerity would prevent

:28:52.:28:54.

the return of growth. Austerity government austerity would prevent

:28:54.:29:00.

were wrong. We never said that growth would never return. What

:29:00.:29:04.

were wrong. We never said that said was that if you went for an

:29:04.:29:05.

were wrong. We never said that overly extreme deficit reduction

:29:05.:29:11.

recovery and you would choke growth. That is what we saw for three years.

:29:11.:29:17.

If you say, look at the US economy, it has grown at three times the

:29:17.:29:24.

If you say, look at the US economy, economy has grown at twice the rate.

:29:24.:29:28.

But the British economy is growing quicker than the American or German

:29:28.:29:31.

economy is now. But over time we have not seen that happen. But it is

:29:31.:29:36.

now. That may be the case. But my point is that those three years

:29:37.:29:42.

now. That may be the case. But my people undergoing huge stress and

:29:42.:29:44.

worry. It is good that we have growth back again but the question

:29:44.:29:48.

is, what kind of growth? What we have said... I'm going to come onto

:29:48.:29:54.

that but your credibility depends on your previous analysis. And there

:29:55.:29:57.

are doubts about it. This is what you said not that long ago. In

:29:57.:30:05.

You and the Labour Party said it had choked off growth. You were wrong.

:30:05.:30:33.

We were not wrong, because we had three years where the economy was

:30:33.:30:38.

not moving. Let's remind ourselves. Claude Osborne was predicting that

:30:38.:30:41.

the economy was going to grow by 6.9% between the start of this

:30:41.:30:46.

Parliament and now. It has grown by 1.8%. We did not say we would never

:30:46.:30:55.

have a return to growth. You never said that austerity would only

:30:55.:30:58.

temporarily delay growth. We have looked through your speeches and Ed

:30:58.:31:03.

Balls'. We can't find any reference to say this is simply delaying the

:31:03.:31:09.

recovery. You said austerity would choke off growth. If that is true,

:31:09.:31:13.

why has it returned now? Did we choke off growth. If that is true,

:31:13.:31:19.

it would choke off growth for ever? choke off growth. If that is true,

:31:19.:31:26.

We did not. You have changed your tune. I think your package at the

:31:26.:31:29.

top of this programme, to frame tune. I think your package at the

:31:29.:31:34.

around George Osborne, this is not a people's lives, and the people who

:31:34.:31:39.

deserve huge credit for the growth we are seeing are our country's

:31:39.:31:46.

businesses, who despite the tough economic times, have succeeded.

:31:46.:31:49.

businesses, who despite the tough are the ones who have powered this

:31:49.:31:49.

Westminster to take credit. But are the ones who have powered this

:31:49.:31:57.

blame the government for lack of growth. So therefore, when the

:31:57.:32:03.

growth comes, the government has to situation Britain is in now. We

:32:03.:32:09.

growth comes, the government has to the recovery still has to reach

:32:09.:32:12.

growth comes, the government has to parts of the country, but this is

:32:12.:32:16.

the OECD annualised growth in the G-7, the world's guest economies.

:32:16.:32:21.

That is looking pretty healthy. G-7, the world's guest economies.

:32:21.:32:29.

is a recovery. I am not denying G-7, the world's guest economies.

:32:30.:32:33.

we are seeing a stalled recovery, but who benefits from the growth? On

:32:33.:32:38.

average, your viewers have sustained a £1500 pay cut. That is the second

:32:38.:32:48.

biggest fall in the G20 since May 2010. Because we had the biggest

:32:48.:32:54.

financial services sector and took services are still in decline.

:32:54.:33:07.

the economy. They are not the only contributor to the economy. The

:33:07.:33:12.

point is, who benefits? Unemployment is falling, but we don't just want

:33:12.:33:15.

people to have any job, we want is falling, but we don't just want

:33:15.:33:18.

to have decent jobs that pay a weight you can live off and that are

:33:18.:33:23.

more secure. Let me show you the unemployment figures. Your criticism

:33:23.:33:29.

has been that all the new jobs are part-time. They are not now, they

:33:29.:33:41.

employment, up 94,000. This is a short time frame. It is since the

:33:41.:33:48.

recovery began. Half the jobs that have been part-time jobs. Roughly

:33:48.:33:58.

who would like to work full-time. Over the last 20 years, people now

:33:58.:34:03.

feel more insecure at work than ever. The question is about what

:34:03.:34:07.

feel more insecure at work than kind of growth and employment you

:34:07.:34:07.

are getting. The other point is kind of growth and employment you

:34:07.:34:14.

uneven spread of this across our north-east and north-west, the

:34:14.:34:23.

Humber, the east of England, they agree that there was a regional

:34:23.:34:33.

imbalance, but the service sector is growing, cheering and construction

:34:33.:34:40.

are growing and financial services are in decline, so the rebalance is

:34:40.:34:44.

happening. It is not happening to the degree we need to transform

:34:44.:34:50.

happening. It is not happening to long-term, sustainable model of

:34:50.:34:54.

comprehensive industrial strategy towards. Your party conference is

:34:54.:35:04.

coming up. I am sure you are looking forward to it. Why do Ed Miliband's

:35:04.:35:09.

people see of him? I don't accept approval ratings get worse the more

:35:09.:35:17.

people see of him? I don't accept that. I have given you the figures.

:35:17.:35:22.

Polls go up and down. I have said that on this programme before. But

:35:22.:35:28.

his approval rating has consistently gone down. What actually matters our

:35:28.:35:33.

leadership, the Labour Party have gone down. What actually matters our

:35:33.:35:39.

put on almost 2000 extra councillors in places like Canada case, even

:35:39.:35:50.

Whitney. What is wrong with Whitney? We have been putting on votes. Let

:35:50.:35:56.

me show you this. This is the net satisfaction rating. Your leader is

:35:56.:36:00.

now more unpopular than Gordon Brown was when he took Labour to the worst

:36:00.:36:07.

defeat in living memory. Gordon Brown did not put on anything like

:36:07.:36:14.

this number of councillors. Votes are what matter, Andrew. Few people

:36:14.:36:21.

think Ed Miliband is a capable leader. Twice as many people think

:36:21.:36:26.

over Spurs who lives on the moon. These are polls. If you are talking

:36:26.:36:32.

to me about over Spurs lit, that puts this into context, Europe

:36:32.:36:43.

Presley. Since 2010, we have put on thousands of members. Compare that

:36:43.:36:46.

to the Conservative Party, which has not won a general election since

:36:46.:36:53.

1992. They will not disclose their membership figures. Why -- why won't

:36:54.:37:00.

you pledge to renationalise Royal Mail? Because that would be like

:37:00.:37:03.

writing a blank cheque. We don't know at the moment how much the

:37:03.:37:07.

government would receive for the sale of Royal Mail? So how can I

:37:07.:37:09.

judge how much it would cost to sale of Royal Mail? So how can I

:37:09.:37:14.

irresponsible. But the government does not need to do this right now.

:37:14.:37:22.

The entire country is against it. Sources in the City and Whitehall

:37:22.:37:25.

tell me that if Labour pledged to renationalise it, it would kill

:37:25.:37:29.

tell me that if Labour pledged to the flotation. So if you are against

:37:29.:37:29.

it, why don't you do it? For me the flotation. So if you are against

:37:29.:37:35.

pledge to renationalise Royal Mail cheque. But if you put it in the

:37:35.:37:42.

prospectus, people in the City, cheque. But if you put it in the

:37:42.:37:46.

know more about these things, say it would not happen, so why not do

:37:46.:37:52.

know more about these things, say it Because that would be irresponsible.

:37:52.:37:54.

It would be like writing a cheque for billions to renationalise Royal

:37:54.:37:59.

Mail. You would not have too right at the check if it did not happen. I

:37:59.:38:05.

have to deal with the facts. I am not good deal with the plot somebody

:38:05.:38:09.

might be speculating about in the City. We have to be careful about

:38:09.:38:16.

renationalise it now would be like writing a bank cheque . We are going

:38:16.:38:22.

government. That is why I am not prepared to do that. Ed Balls will

:38:22.:38:28.

not be talking to you. You are watching the Sunday Politics. Coming

:38:28.:38:29.

the part of the programme that is just for us in the West. I hope

:38:29.:38:55.

the part of the programme that is have had a good summer. Today we

:38:55.:38:57.

will topic recently to the Police Commissioner from Gloucester. He is

:38:57.:38:59.

leading a campaign to bring back the so—called snoopers charter. He wants

:38:59.:39:04.

your phone records and he once your for a year to help police fight

:39:04.:39:12.

crime and terrorism. But with the coalition split on the idea, has he

:39:12.:39:16.

any chance of making it law? We coalition split on the idea, has he

:39:16.:39:21.

ask him later on. Before that, it is time to meet our MPs who will help

:39:21.:39:22.

us to digest the political news time to meet our MPs who will help

:39:22.:39:29.

Democrat and Conservative. The issue that brought you back from your

:39:29.:39:35.

summer, the vote on Syria. You I didn't feel the government had

:39:36.:39:49.

that they were taking a considered and rational decision. I am a member

:39:49.:39:56.

of the government. I didn't have the option to abstain. I am in a very

:39:56.:40:11.

have a lot of time to consider what Were you in trouble for abstaining?

:40:12.:40:25.

Do you feel David Cameron made huge You always know that this may come

:40:25.:40:35.

up but one day you might be sending the country to war. I felt that

:40:35.:40:39.

up but one day you might be sending motion has been watered down to

:40:39.:40:43.

up but one day you might be sending extent that there was good to be

:40:43.:40:47.

another vote next week, the record to wait for the weapons inspectors

:40:47.:40:51.

bought. I didn't have a problem voting for it. You have got to weigh

:40:51.:40:52.

up the fact that a lot of people voting for it. You have got to weigh

:40:52.:40:56.

up the fact that a lot of people don't want to go to war in the

:40:56.:41:02.

shadow of Iraq and Khalistan, but at the same time if you look at those

:41:02.:41:03.

being gassed. If Syria continues to being gassed. If Syria continues to

:41:03.:41:07.

use chemical weapons, they may not come on now, then I don't think

:41:07.:41:12.

use chemical weapons, they may not could live with myself thinking

:41:12.:41:15.

use chemical weapons, they may not Actually what we did set a train of

:41:15.:41:18.

events in process where America thought about going to its congress.

:41:18.:41:24.

No two our top story today. Could the beautiful hills in Somerset

:41:24.:41:29.

No two our top story today. Could the key to solving some of our

:41:29.:41:32.

energy needs? If one company has its way, they will soon be drilling

:41:32.:41:36.

energy needs? If one company has its shale gas which the government hopes

:41:36.:41:40.

techniques like fracking have proved Could the Mendip Hills soon see

:41:40.:41:47.

something like this? After trials government has given its blessing to

:41:47.:41:55.

test drilling elsewhere. This summer it was rural Sussex, sparking big

:41:55.:41:59.

tests. This could become the front line in the battle over extracting

:41:59.:42:04.

gas from under our fields. Ston Easton and another bended village

:42:04.:42:13.

drilling. The old Somerset coalfield Somerset's last coal mine closed

:42:13.:42:22.

years ago, and there is fierce opposition to the county again

:42:22.:42:24.

playing host to fossil fuel firms. There would be flares across a

:42:24.:42:29.

landscape, water pollution and ear Opponents have already mobilised,

:42:29.:42:40.

Once that has been sunk individual idiot Somerset, it is therefore

:42:40.:42:44.

Once that has been sunk individual lifetime. Players could be 40 feet

:42:44.:42:48.

high, gas burning 24 hours a day, A firm called UK's methane holds

:42:48.:43:00.

licences for Somerset. They said corporate transaction. Some in

:43:00.:43:06.

Somerset are positive about the prospects. This retired engineer got

:43:06.:43:13.

confident it won't mess up the The message I'm getting from the

:43:13.:43:21.

company is that they are highly sympathetic to public view. And

:43:21.:43:26.

company is that they are highly they would make every effort to

:43:26.:43:27.

Would you be happy if the government read your private e—mails? Police

:43:27.:47:29.

and crime commissioners have told us records should be stored for a year

:47:29.:47:35.

and used in the fight against crime and terrorism. With the coalition

:47:35.:47:40.

split on the issue, will they ever Every phone call you make, every

:47:40.:47:48.

e—mail you send, every text you type. It leaves a trail. And now the

:47:48.:47:53.

politicians want to keep those details for a year. About a third of

:47:53.:48:02.

the world's population is online. That is a lot of data. In the view

:48:02.:48:04.

catching of some, it might help That is a lot of data. In the view

:48:04.:48:11.

catching criminals and terrorists. monitor us, but those plans were

:48:11.:48:19.

ditched from the Queen 's speech earlier this year, because this

:48:19.:48:24.

ditched from the Queen 's speech That's not going to happen, it's not

:48:24.:48:29.

Democrats. We committed ourselves at the beginning of this coalition

:48:29.:48:33.

Democrats. We committed ourselves at learn lessons from the past, when

:48:33.:48:34.

Labour over did it by trying to learn lessons from the past, when

:48:34.:48:39.

The coalition may be split, but police and crime commissioners say

:48:39.:48:44.

it is needed for effective policing. Under the original plans, mobile

:48:44.:48:55.

information on for up to 12 months. Whether it be Facebook, Twitter

:48:55.:49:01.

information on for up to 12 months. your favourite website, the e—mails

:49:01.:49:05.

you send to the phone conversations you have had. The contents of your

:49:05.:49:10.

chat or calls would be available This was based on the idea that

:49:10.:49:18.

chat or calls would be available indiscriminate communications of

:49:18.:49:22.

argument is that they should using the resources to look at the people

:49:22.:49:30.

But are they and the coalition partners worrying over nothing?

:49:30.:49:37.

It is not about having a Stasi state. It is about going after

:49:37.:49:41.

people dot—mac the vast majority of requests made are against serious

:49:41.:49:48.

organised crime, terrorism and The pressure is again mounting after

:49:48.:49:56.

the killing of soldier Lea Rigby in London. Will politicians listen

:49:56.:50:02.

the killing of soldier Lea Rigby in our top cops? The view is that

:50:02.:50:02.

intelligence data could provide our top cops? The view is that

:50:02.:50:08.

kind of thing from happening again. Joining us is Martin Cerro who is

:50:08.:50:13.

leading the call to bring back that Gloucestershire? And how many of

:50:13.:50:22.

those do you think are terrorists? That's not really the point of this.

:50:22.:50:29.

What you are suggesting is mass surveillance for a tiny number of

:50:29.:50:36.

This is giving the police the tools Gloucestershire and the United

:50:36.:50:43.

Kingdom safe. It is as simple as that. It is about playing catch

:50:43.:50:45.

Kingdom safe. It is as simple as to be honest. When everybody relied

:50:45.:50:45.

on mobile phones and landlines, to be honest. When everybody relied

:50:46.:50:53.

police had this ability. It is the advance of technology that is so

:50:53.:50:56.

rapid that has left them on the advance of technology that is so

:50:56.:51:01.

My question really is, it is a sledgehammer to crack a nut, isn't

:51:01.:51:06.

Far from it. It is a very measured piece of legislation. It is not

:51:06.:51:12.

about going after the masses, it is about pinpointing communications

:51:12.:51:12.

between very serious people who about pinpointing communications

:51:12.:51:16.

very serious harm. To know when about pinpointing communications

:51:17.:51:20.

are communicating. It can be on kidnap, paedophilia, terrorism.

:51:20.:51:26.

are communicating. It can be on is the tool we have to give to our

:51:26.:51:26.

authorities. It is essential we is the tool we have to give to our

:51:26.:51:30.

it to keep us safe stop you can is the tool we have to give to our

:51:30.:51:33.

all the right necessary conditions in place to make sure the state

:51:33.:51:42.

all the right necessary conditions We were told when the terrorism

:51:42.:51:45.

all the right necessary conditions was introduced that not many people

:51:45.:51:49.

would be stopped, we were told when teasers were introduced that they

:51:49.:51:53.

wouldn't be used very often, and now they are being used on a daily

:51:53.:51:58.

basis. Once you introduce these I don't disagree with you on all of

:51:58.:52:05.

that, but it is about updating legislation, this is not new. Now

:52:05.:52:12.

people communicate not just with mobile phones and phones with wires.

:52:12.:52:20.

On teasers, for example, which would you rather do? Be hit by a lump

:52:20.:52:31.

On teasers, for example, which would Was Nick Clegg right to sink this,

:52:31.:52:37.

Absolutely. I think that facility is already there. There is already

:52:37.:52:43.

500,000 requests made for warrants any searching capacity, and they are

:52:43.:52:49.

made by everybody from the police to the marketing Institute. People

:52:49.:52:52.

made by everybody from the police to for that information already. There

:52:52.:52:55.

is no need. What we don't want is fishing, generally. The other thing

:52:55.:53:01.

is, this is fantastically expensive. About £2 billion. I would rather

:53:01.:53:07.

have more police officers is he I feel like you Liberal Democrat

:53:07.:53:16.

here sitting on the fence. I think we should benefit from people 's

:53:16.:53:23.

expertise, and he Martin has a background in counterterrorism.

:53:23.:53:32.

expertise, and he Martin has a think, actually, where do we go

:53:32.:53:38.

expertise, and he Martin has a here? Could pubs be required to

:53:38.:53:41.

expertise, and he Martin has a records of CCTV for a year? I just

:53:42.:53:44.

wonder, what are the limits? Each of us as individuals should have the

:53:44.:53:48.

freedom to enjoy our lives without This is about the state taking

:53:48.:53:52.

responsibility. People will die This is about the state taking

:53:52.:53:56.

we don't have this legislation. This is about the state taking

:53:56.:54:02.

dreadful case, I am sure you would have wanted the authorities in no

:54:02.:54:07.

two people were caught making to plan an attack like that. If there

:54:07.:54:11.

was an attack tomorrow, you would expect the security services to

:54:12.:54:15.

was an attack tomorrow, you would that. This idea of Big Brother.

:54:15.:54:18.

was an attack tomorrow, you would people you're talking about is

:54:18.:54:19.

people like me, people like you people you're talking about is

:54:19.:54:23.

me. They are not some mystical group of people in the shadows. They are

:54:23.:54:30.

We have individual liberty, which is very important. It doesn't stop

:54:30.:54:34.

We have individual liberty, which is authorities doing what they're doing

:54:34.:54:38.

at the moment, and that is seeking warrants from the Home Office to

:54:38.:54:41.

investigate. But that should be targeted. We shouldn't be fishing

:54:41.:54:43.

communication, storing the data targeted. We shouldn't be fishing

:54:43.:54:51.

a year and trying to see patterns. What will happen is when we get

:54:51.:54:57.

a year and trying to see patterns. warrant, the cupboard will be beer.

:54:57.:54:59.

The e—mail communication that could convert that terrorism will be gone.

:54:59.:55:07.

It is not fishing, it is targeted. It has this very high bar to access

:55:07.:55:12.

this, Home Secretary approval. Parliament must step up to the mark,

:55:12.:55:15.

We should have £2 billion worth Parliament must step up to the mark,

:55:15.:55:23.

We have delivered there. Thank you Liberal Democrats are heading off to

:55:24.:55:30.

the conference with some pretty Liberal Democrats are heading off to

:55:30.:55:34.

poll results. Being in coalition at a time of austerity has cost them

:55:34.:55:39.

popularity. But can they recover before the election? Earlier, I

:55:39.:55:40.

I can think at least twice when before the election? Earlier, I

:55:40.:55:53.

was leader of the Liberal Democrats in the past, explaining why I wasn't

:55:53.:55:58.

going to win my seat because the mid—term polls weren't good. Anybody

:55:58.:56:09.

especially when the government in The Conservatives will see you have

:56:09.:56:18.

helped them. Labour will see you are collaborating with the Tories and

:56:18.:56:24.

the cuts will stop. UKIP will say you are in Europe and attics. They

:56:24.:56:28.

have got you always, haven't they? frightened about the circumstances.

:56:28.:56:40.

The key questions will be, what happens after this? What happens to

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my job and whether we live in a happens after this? What happens to

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society? Nobody can doubt that taking this country out of the worst

:56:48.:56:52.

economic recession of modern times is tough. Lib Dems have not only

:56:52.:57:02.

responsibility, but to ensure our ridiculous question. The number

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responsibility, but to ensure our times in the last 100 years when you

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guys have loved to read the final Democrats . Fine, I'll answer your

:57:25.:57:38.

question. I am in politics for the interest of my country. And if it is

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the case at a price the Liberal Democrats have to pay to do what is

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right to get this country out of the worst economic crisis of its time

:57:50.:57:53.

and have an effective government, if the price is some electoral failure,

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the country comes first, and the Thank you, Paddy Ashdown. You heard

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him, if he loses a seat or two have worked hard since I became

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him, if he loses a seat or two MP and I hope I have served my

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constituents. In the long run, it is good to be the constituents in my

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area who have a choice in deciding whether they want me back again

:58:30.:58:35.

area who have a choice in deciding Are you going to be gentle on the

:58:35.:58:40.

Lib Dems come the election campaign? It's not up to the Conservative

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party, it is. And they are down It's not up to the Conservative

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the polls. I want them to do well because I don't want Labour to go

:58:54.:58:55.

back in the government. But you because I don't want Labour to go

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to be honest about this full stop. We're going to have to fight equally

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celebrating the West Country's engineering prowess by visiting

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celebrating the West Country's bloodhound project. The hope this

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car will travel at over 1000 miles an hour. He was too cautious to

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claim the economic recovery would be It is still tough for families.

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claim the economic recovery would be economy is turning a corner, but we

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We hear that one in four families are having to borrow to buy school

:59:52.:59:57.

uniforms. What is the government doing about those real issues that

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Norman Lamb has promised the a vulnerable adult or adapter in care

:00:05.:00:09.

If local commissioners do not do what they promised to do and we

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If local commissioners do not do People are one in Bath over the

:00:20.:00:23.

decision to close public loos. Political issue of the week, the

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I was hesitant about commenting Political issue of the week, the

:00:26.:00:40.

Skidmore. There are essential public services, and this is one of them.

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We are having a punch—up over the loos in my area and whether they

:00:45.:00:50.

should be open late hours. Of course we need to make sure that people can

:00:50.:00:56.

use facilities, and they are there thinking of closing a public loo

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No, we need to look at the sensible thing. Let's just be a little savvy

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That's all we have time for this week. Thank you to our two guests,

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Tessa Munt and Chris Skidmore. If you want to share your ideas, get in

:01:23.:01:30.

more than pay is going up. Which deserves a programme all to itself.

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In a moment, more from our political Good afternoon. Nick Clegg says

:01:45.:01:51.

victory for either the Conservatives Good afternoon. Nick Clegg says

:01:51.:01:55.

or labour at the next election would put at risk the economic recovery

:01:55.:01:59.

is. Speaking in Glasgow at the Liberal Democrat annual conference,

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he said a coalition would allow Liberal Democrat annual conference,

:02:00.:02:04.

party to balance politics and enable the government to finish the job of

:02:04.:02:09.

repairing the economy fairly. It is my genuine belief that if we go

:02:09.:02:15.

repairing the economy fairly. It is coalition and Islands politics,

:02:15.:02:19.

repairing the economy fairly. It is dominating blood on their own, you

:02:19.:02:22.

will get a recovery which is neither fair nor sustainable. Labour would

:02:22.:02:24.

wreck the recovery, and under the fair nor sustainable. Labour would

:02:24.:02:29.

same commitment to fairness as ours, you would get the wrong kind

:02:29.:02:35.

Two 19-year-old woman arrested after a stabbing on Thursday have been

:02:35.:02:37.

released without charge. Police a stabbing on Thursday have been

:02:37.:02:41.

trying to discover if there is a link between the killing and a fire

:02:41.:02:45.

four hours later in which four Five people are being questioned in

:02:45.:02:51.

connection with that blaze. A Syrian government minister has described

:02:51.:02:54.

the agreement drawn up by America country's chemical weapons as a

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The minister claims the deals helps the Syrians out of a crisis and

:03:01.:03:06.

others war. The US Secretary of State John Kerry is in Israel to

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brief the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, on the proposal. China

:03:08.:03:13.

and France have also welcomed the deal, which says Syria has until

:03:13.:03:17.

Friday to submit a competence of list of its chemical stockpile.

:03:17.:03:22.

Britain's Mo Farah has missed out on winning his first half marathon

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Britain's Mo Farah has missed out on He was taking part in the Great

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North Run between Newcastle and South Shields. Farrar, who was the

:03:29.:03:33.

favourite following his two gold Ethiopian's can mean many Serb

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favourite following his two gold Kenenisa Bekele in a sprint finish.

:03:42.:03:45.

A carnival atmosphere for the start was about the challenge. For others,

:03:45.:03:52.

walking it, so I have no time in simply dressing up for fun. I am

:03:52.:04:00.

walking it, so I have no time in mind. I just want to enjoy it and

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appreciate the crowds and have a fantastic time. For elite athletes,

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today's race was about who would be first over the line. Despite the

:04:08.:04:13.

wind and rain, large crowds turned out for the world's most popular

:04:13.:04:17.

half marathon, which attracts some of the finest women runners, two,

:04:17.:04:25.

including the Kenyan. There were high hopes for Britain's double

:04:25.:04:29.

Olympic champion Mo Farah, but after Shields, he was narrowly beaten

:04:29.:04:36.

Ethiopian's Kenenisa Bekele. It Shields, he was narrowly beaten

:04:36.:04:46.

thought I would come back and close the gap slowly. I managed to close

:04:46.:04:50.

it a little bit, but you can't take away what he has. Wheelchair athlete

:04:50.:04:56.

David Weir won his race for a fourth time. More than £200 million has

:04:56.:05:01.

been raised since the Great North That is it for now. There will be

:05:01.:05:16.

more news on BBC One at 6:35pm. So, did anything happen while we

:05:16.:05:19.

were away this summer? I thought heading now? Who better to answer

:05:19.:05:27.

than the best political panel we could cobble together for a tenner?

:05:27.:05:33.

Putting foreign affairs to one side for a moment, it seems that what

:05:33.:05:38.

happened mystically was that it became more apparent that some sort

:05:38.:05:41.

of recovery was underway at last, and that Mr Miliband still has not

:05:41.:05:48.

yet resonated with the British public. These things are a problem

:05:48.:05:54.

for Labour. Ed Miliband's mistake over the summer holiday was to take

:05:54.:05:56.

a summer holiday. And it looked over the summer holiday was to take

:05:56.:06:00.

the rest of the Labour Party had taken one too. They were not finding

:06:00.:06:04.

issues they could make their own. The only person who made an impact

:06:04.:06:09.

was Stella Creasy on online abuse. That is a huge problem, and it is

:06:09.:06:12.

partly down to the fact that there is this intense message discipline.

:06:12.:06:14.

They don't want to say anything is this intense message discipline.

:06:15.:06:18.

of line until they have got all their ducks in a row. It makes the

:06:18.:06:21.

party do at the moment. The terms of party do at the moment. The terms of

:06:21.:06:26.

trade have swung in David Cameron's favour, but the political rhetoric

:06:26.:06:30.

look at this headline from the is still with Mr Miliband. Let's

:06:30.:06:39.

look at this headline from the Sunday Telegraph. That headline

:06:39.:06:44.

might not be right, but the story is significant in that Mr Cameron is

:06:44.:06:46.

still in danger on his right flank significant in that Mr Cameron is

:06:46.:06:51.

doesn't need an enormous share of the vote to get an overall majority?

:06:51.:06:59.

Westminster group think. Of course Ed Miliband is in trouble. The

:06:59.:07:04.

Tories are reserved and. They are better organised, the economy is

:07:04.:07:08.

recovering. That poses difficulties for Labour, but if you look at what

:07:08.:07:15.

is happening on the ground, UKIP still pose a danger to Cameron.

:07:15.:07:18.

is happening on the ground, UKIP don't need to poll 15% in a lot

:07:18.:07:19.

is happening on the ground, UKIP those marginal seats, they just

:07:19.:07:22.

is happening on the ground, UKIP to get five or 6% of the vote, and

:07:22.:07:24.

that could potentially destroy the Tory lead. Lots of commentators

:07:24.:07:33.

that could potentially destroy the to say, this guy will never be prime

:07:34.:07:39.

minister, but it is possible that by default or by accident, in a very

:07:39.:07:45.

Miliband could end up as prime minister. It is still all to play

:07:45.:07:50.

for on both sides. If UKIP remains a threat to the Tory right flank and

:07:50.:07:55.

the Tories themselves are not really a national party any more, I am

:07:56.:07:59.

the Tories themselves are not really they will only target a few seats in

:07:59.:08:02.

Scotland, they don't get any big seats in the big cities of the north

:08:02.:08:05.

any more, they don't get the Ulster vote they used to get, so it is

:08:05.:08:09.

possible that Labour, which is more nationally based and has seats in

:08:09.:08:12.

the Midlands and the north and in Wales, so they could get in. I

:08:12.:08:18.

agree. The advantage of having a bad summer is that Ed Miliband can go to

:08:18.:08:25.

expectations. All he has to do is not dribble on the lectern, and

:08:25.:08:29.

expectations. All he has to do is will be written up as spectacular.

:08:29.:08:31.

expectations. All he has to do is He might not even use a lectin.

:08:31.:08:38.

position. The electoral vagaries of the system work in his favour. He

:08:38.:08:44.

still has a narrow poll lead, he is not out of the game at all. Of the

:08:44.:08:47.

three main party leaders, the only one who can be confident about being

:08:47.:08:54.

three main party leaders, the only in government after 2015 is Nick

:08:54.:09:00.

electorally. But if it is this bad for Labour at the moment, what will

:09:00.:09:06.

it be like if this recovery turns out to be real? It depends how much

:09:06.:09:14.

they succeed. Chuka Umunna was shifting the debate are living

:09:14.:09:16.

standards. They don't want to keep arguing about who called it right.

:09:16.:09:19.

Do people feel richer than they arguing about who called it right.

:09:20.:09:24.

in 2010? The data suggests that people don't feel richer than in

:09:24.:09:27.

2010. Because they are not.That people don't feel richer than in

:09:28.:09:33.

the basis on which Labour will fight the next election. It is clear that

:09:33.:09:38.

Labour are unclear on what to say or do next. They have just got to hope

:09:38.:09:42.

and pray that the economy is not as soundly based as it appears to be

:09:42.:09:45.

and that George Osborne is Tony Barber, who thought he fixed the

:09:45.:09:53.

just before the next crash. There are all sorts of uncertainties

:09:53.:09:57.

just before the next crash. There China, the bond market, the housing

:09:57.:10:00.

bubble might be blown up, and Labour just had to hope something goes

:10:00.:10:01.

wrong for Osborne. Chuka Umunna just had to hope something goes

:10:01.:10:07.

he would not get rid of help to just had to hope something goes

:10:07.:10:11.

There are all these criticisms about just had to hope something goes

:10:11.:10:14.

artificial schemes pumping up house prices, but he would not say that.

:10:14.:10:19.

It is tortuous. You see this again and again. When asked if Labour

:10:19.:10:27.

would repeal the bedroom tax, or the same thing with Royal Mail, it

:10:27.:10:29.

happens again. They will be falling on people who have not had a meal in

:10:29.:10:41.

coming out of the Labour Party. There is a kind and Gillette in

:10:41.:10:45.

coming out of the Labour Party. them to a politician's career. When

:10:45.:10:47.

they are under attack for a long time, the media get bored after

:10:47.:10:51.

they are under attack for a long while and switch the story. It

:10:51.:10:55.

happened to Osborne, who had a horrific 2012 and has recovered

:10:55.:11:00.

bad press as he is getting at the moment, because people find it

:11:00.:11:08.

tedious. Syria has been the big foreign-policy event this summer. It

:11:08.:11:10.

has remarkably led to a Soviet- American initiative to get Syria to

:11:10.:11:19.

give up its chemical weapons. The world will now expect the Assad

:11:19.:11:24.

regime to live up to its public commitments. As I said at the outset

:11:24.:11:27.

anything less than full compliance. John Kerry. Is this too good to

:11:27.:11:44.

anything less than full compliance. true? Even superficially, it is

:11:44.:11:46.

anything less than full compliance. very good. The only people who

:11:46.:11:49.

emerge with any sense of triumph are the Russians, who have had their

:11:49.:11:53.

emerge with any sense of triumph are biggest diplomatic coup. They are

:11:53.:11:56.

back on the stage again. B if you want to know why Putin even has

:11:56.:12:02.

back on the stage again. B if you because of moments like this. They

:12:02.:12:04.

were humiliated after the end of the Cold War, and a Nou Camp is a great

:12:04.:12:09.

power again. Then you have the Obama situation, because he has ended

:12:09.:12:13.

power again. Then you have the Obama where he wanted to end up. He has

:12:13.:12:16.

power again. Then you have the Obama concession from Syria, but the way

:12:16.:12:16.

he got there was so embarrassing. It concession from Syria, but the way

:12:16.:12:21.

made him look weak and erratic as a leader. There were contradictions

:12:21.:12:25.

between himself and his Secretary of State last week, and it has not

:12:25.:12:32.

between himself and his Secretary of him any good. I was in the States,

:12:32.:12:37.

and it was open season on him. I have never understood the idea of

:12:37.:12:41.

chemical weapons as a red line when you can massacre people in their

:12:41.:12:45.

thousands through other means. But chemical weapons are beyond the

:12:45.:12:50.

pale. The rebels are miserable. chemical weapons are beyond the

:12:50.:12:57.

have run out of time. I will have to ask you what you think about Syria

:12:57.:12:59.

next week, which gives you time ask you what you think about Syria

:12:59.:13:05.

prepare. Your book on Fred the shred is going well? It is.I am back

:13:05.:13:10.

tomorrow at noon with the Daily Politics at noon on BBC Two, where

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we will have more from the Liberal Democrat conference in Glasgow.

:13:14.:13:18.

we will have more from the Liberal is the start of our Daily Politics

:13:18.:13:18.

conference coverage. Next week, is the start of our Daily Politics

:13:18.:13:21.

will be back here at our normal is the start of our Daily Politics

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of 11am, when we will be joined is the start of our Daily Politics

:13:24.:13:30.

Grant Shapps. Remember, if it is Sunday, it is the Sunday Politics.

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